Drive
Host
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Movie wars, ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie Wars Podcast. How we doing, baby?
We got an amazing guest here today, our dear friend, one of the funniest comics working in Nashville today, Mariana Brown, ladies and gentlemen.
Seth
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Welcome, welcome.
Hosta
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Yes. And honestly, someone that really inspired the format. You did my show at happen. Chance and I, after movie wars 1.0.
I was like, how am I going to revamp this show? And then you started posting all this midsommar shit. You have an incense thing. You've got posters. And I'm like, my.
I have smart comedian friends that also know a lot about movies. And here we are a couple of months later. It's going very well. So thank you for the faux inspiration for that. So why don't you tell us about yourself?
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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Who are you? Why do you love movies? What kind of movies you like? Tell us about comedy. All the things.
Mariana Brown
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Okay.
Host
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In 30 seconds.
Mariana Brown
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Okay.
Seth
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And go.
Mariana Brown
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All right. I'm a. I'm a cat lady.
Seth
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Hell, yes.
Mariana Brown
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I originally went to art school for fashion design, like one of the directors we're talking about today.
Host
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Hey.
Mariana Brown
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And I started a fashion design business with my friend in college, and she was an NYU film major.
Seth
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Nice.
Mariana Brown
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Who got me into Drive. Drive's one of my first favorite movies ever.
Seth
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Hell, yeah. Of course. 1.
Mariana Brown
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It started when I was. Started smoking weed. You know, you can get way more into movies that way. Highly recommend it to anybody listening. Doesn't do drugs.
Big, big drug advocate here. And I've been doing comedy for, I guess, four years now, and I'm just obsessed with movies. It's funny. You mentioned midsommar.
I have a midsommar shower curtain, too.
Host
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Wow.
Mariana Brown
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Yeah. And I just ordered a tree topper that my husband does not know about.
Seth
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Oh, that's perfect. He's gonna find out soon.
Mariana Brown
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He's not gonna.
Host
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Is he scared that his life is actually kind of falling in line with the plot of the film now, though, that's.
Seth
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The moment you decide you're taking him to Sweden. He's just like, I can't. I'm done.
Mariana Brown
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But at the same time, we could do a whole podcast about that. But that guy deserved it. Okay. I mean, all those guys deserve to die, right?
Seth
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Absolutely.
Mariana Brown
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Every woman will agree with me. They were horrible people, and it was fun to watch them die. So.
Host
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Yeah. And it was great.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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So you lie. But you and I discussed. You love a 24 Blum house. You love some of the indie horror stuff, but also Kubrick's top five. So you and I connected on that.
Yeah. Huge Kubrick Fans.
Mariana Brown
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Oh, my God.
Host
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Yeah. So you're going to help us out with the Shining at some point.
Seth
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Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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So excited.
Host
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Stoked. That's awesome. Well, we're so glad you're here. Also, first female ever on the show. And I get.
Seth
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Yes.
Host
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And I get shit from people because, like, why don't you ever have girls in the show? It's like I ask. It's just like, people just think we're nerds.
Seth
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Like, I don't want to see this face. You think they want to be on a podcast guy?
Host
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Like, whatever. I'm doing really well right now. I don't see how this will benefit me at all. In fact, it will be negative for me.
So I've tried to get females in this show. Show. Thank you for breaking the mold.
Mariana Brown
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Nice.
Host
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Here we go.
Seth
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Look at us being progressive.
Host
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Yes. Very progressive.
Mariana Brown
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Yeah, I'm progressive.
Host
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Well, I am so stoked to talk about drive top 50 movie for me.
Seth
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Hell yeah.
Host
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This movie was interesting for me because I. And a lot of people did not know what this movie was when it came out.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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I remember literally having conversations with people like, oh, it looks like they finally made something kind of like gta. They thought it was.
You know, a lot of people went to this movie thinking it was somewhere in the realm of Fast and furious gone in 60 seconds, which was the original intention. This is based on a book and they originally had an 80 million dollar budget and they really wanted. They wanted Hugh Jackman in this movie.
It was going to be a Fast and Furious type knockoff. And that's obviously not what we got. There's. I'll go into this in randos, but a lot of people didn't know what this movie was going to be.
And a lot of people making the movie and funding the movie did not know what this was going to be. But it was an amazing, happy accident.
And I know for me, I knew nothing about Refn and I had a really negative perception of Ryan Gosling because I just thought he was Notebook boy.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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And boy, was I wrong.
Seth
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I mean, I always say this is the movie that convinced me that he could act. Yes, yes, like 100%.
Mariana Brown
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I completely forgot he was in the Notebook after watching. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, it washed away his, like.
Seth
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Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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Old perception.
Host
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Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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I was like, who is this guy again?
Host
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Yes, totally. I agree. I had. I. And that was one reason I didn't want to see it.
But then, like, I started to see, like, I was like, there's something interesting about these trailers. I had no idea who Nicholas Winding Refn was the director.
And so what ended up happening was, is I watched this movie and I was like, I loved it so much, I ended up just diving like head first into his entire repertoire. And what's funny is that all of Refn's films were these movies. I would just scan by on Netflix with zero interest, you know, Ballerizing Bronson.
I didn't recognize Tom Hardy as Bronson because he was so jacked. Yeah, he didn't look like Tom Hardy.
And at the time, we didn't really know how great he was because he had been in Black Hawk down, but he had not done a lot of, like, dominant roles. And then all of a sudden I'm like. But I didn't know who that was.
Seth
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So I love that one of his first roles was actually in a Star Trek show.
Host
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Yes.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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Yes. Yeah. And then, like. And so I end up going through. And now Refin is probably my third favorite director of all time.
Movies like Bronson, Valhalla Rising, the Pusher trilogy. There's so many great films. And so I somehow, you know, found a favorite director out of this.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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And then I was. This is a funny story, you know, the Belcourt Theater.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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So for those that don't live in Nashville, we have a. Of folks that like, don't even live in this country. We have this indie theater that has like a small bar and a lot of amazing food.
And I took off work to go see Only God Forgives with Ryan Gosling and Refin. Not, not as great as it's fun, but it's really aloof. I was the only person I took off work at 12 o'clock eating candy on a Tuesday. I'm just like, oh.
And I was like, I am a loser.
Seth
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No.
Host
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Maybe that's why females don't do this podcast. I am alone at the Belcourt Theater on a Tuesday watching Ryan Gosling movies.
Seth
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I mean, granted, I'm the guy who literally sat in the dead middle of the theater for 12 and a half hours watching Lord of the Rings at the Bell Court. So, no, I'm every much a loser as you are. If that's how we are.
Host
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I knew I loved you.
Mariana Brown
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See, I'm like, I'll be at home and I will watch all of these movies because I would like my weed and my snacks and my bathroom and all these things. Like, I used to go to the movies once a week and then after the pandemic, I haven't gone or I went to see Midsommar actually.
Seth
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Nice. Hell, yeah. I saw that in Theaters do.
Mariana Brown
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This is about drive.
Host
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But, yeah, we're going to just keep talking about her favorite movies.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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No, that's awesome. No, I love it. No, I totally get. Yeah. And I, you know, and, yeah, the theater experience is weird now, right? It's like.
Because now, like, I do, like, home. My TV is great, so I totally get that. So. But what were your Interact like? How did you guys come into this movie? You already kind of told your story.
Seth
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A little bit, but I. I watched it. My good friend Avery, back in, like, I guess 2013 was like, guys, we need to watch this movie.
And he was hanging out with me and my girlfriend at the time, and we sat down, we watched it. It was on Netflix, I guess. And, yeah, that literally, other than knowing Ryan Gosling was in, I had absolutely no idea what it was going to be about.
And then, yeah, watched it.
And in the middle of that scene where they're, like, driving at night, my girlfriend just looks at us and she's just like, yeah, this is what a date with introverts looks like. Everyone just sits there and doesn't say shit. And that was my introduction to the movie. Yeah, it was amazing. Like, it was.
What was I, like, 19, maybe 20 at the time? So it was definitely, like, one of the craziest dramas I had seen to, like, at that point. But, yeah, I fell in love with it immediately.
Host
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Yeah. And like, how unsettling, though, the first time you watch it is the hyperviolence. Oh, yeah. Like, it's so out of nowhere, like, hey, I like her.
She was a madman. Oh, her brains. Yeah, hi, her brains. Her red hair is stuck to the mirror now.
Seth
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Oh, my God, just so much.
Host
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And the fork in the eye and hammering the fingers. I'm just like, yeah. And if you don't know refn before, you don't know to expect it, and it's shocking.
And then you go and watch all of his other shit, and you're like, oh, yeah, this guy, he's pretty violent.
Seth
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It's definitely, like, what would happen if Tarantino tried to direct, like, an indie romantic drama.
Host
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Yeah.
Seth
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Like, just out of nowhere, just heads exploding, people getting the shit beat out of him.
Host
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Yes.
Seth
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Marlin from Finding Nemo is cutting dude's arms open. Like, yeah.
Mariana Brown
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Oh, yeah.
Seth
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Yeah. The main bad guy is Marlon from Nemo Albert Love. Yeah.
Host
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Oh, yeah. Well, he was a taxi driver, too.
Mariana Brown
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I know. I knew. I knew him from somewhere.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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Well, yeah, yeah, He's. He's a comedian by trade. He's a comic actor, but he did Taxi driver And then, like, yeah, there was a lot of.
There was a lot of criticism when ref and cast him. They were like, really? And he turns out to be perfect.
Seth
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He was insane. So good.
Mariana Brown
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Perfect casting all around, honestly. And Ryan Cranston.
Seth
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Oh, my God, yes.
Host
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Yeah. Just in a little side role, man.
Seth
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I mean. Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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Well, that was kind of before Christina Hendricks was on Mad Men.
Host
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I think it was kind of during, like, in the early days.
Seth
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Right. In the first couple seasons.
Mariana Brown
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And then Brian Cranston before Breaking Bad, and I just feel like it was before they got all their big hits that I knew them from.
Host
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Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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I was like, wow, this guy can cast.
Host
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Yeah.
Seth
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Yeah. I think it was kind of similar situation. Like, Breaking Bad had just started, but he'd also been in Malcolm in the Middle, so he.
He had some clout wine. But it was mostly as, like, a comedic actor.
Host
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Yeah.
Seth
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So, yeah, to see him in this, especially because I've never seen a single episode of Breaking Bad, so, like, to see him in that kind of role outside of everything else I knew him from, it's just. It's so funny to see him pull off such a beautifully serious role.
Host
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Yeah. Are you just holding out on Breaking Bad? Are you just trying to be a contrarian?
Seth
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I know the emotional toll it's going to take on my mind and body to watch that show, and I'm basically just waiting until I have three weeks of uninterrupted time to just watch the whole thing, cry my eyes out, and then move on with my life.
Host
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Okay.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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Right. Yeah.
Seth
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I just haven't gotten there yet.
Host
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Yeah, I had the flu when I finally watched it, so I was both puking and sad and miserable. It was good.
Seth
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Hell, yeah.
Host
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Yeah. Before we get to the questions here, I know you got a Ryan Gosling fan in your life. This movie made $40 million.
I know one of you has watched this movie. Share it with your friends. Once again, your grandma is waiting for the Movie Wars Podcast. Hit that share button. Share the love the questions. Yeah.
Point. Point at the camera right now. Yeah. It's so weird pointing out a tiny little iPhone. Such a. Just really robust budget here on the Movie wars podcast.
Hey, you can do it all with a phone. That's what they say. All right, all right, first question.
Isn't it a little bit too nice of an apartment for a struggling single mom who works at Denny's? That is a. That's nicer than my house.
Mariana Brown
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A multiple room apart. Yeah.
Host
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With space and a dinner table.
Seth
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Huge in la. Like, it's not a cheap city. It wasn't a cheap city back then. It's even worse now. But yeah, no, 100%.
Mariana Brown
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There's also nobody in LA at all. In the whole movie. There's like four people and then the baseball game and that's it.
Seth
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Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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Literally, I didn't even know it was set in la. Honestly, I was like, oh, this is in Indiana.
Host
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Seth
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This could very well just be Indiana with palm trees.
Mariana Brown
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Yeah, it is in the mob.
Seth
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Yeah. You've heard of the Indiana mob, right?
Mariana Brown
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Obviously.
Host
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Oh, big time.
Mariana Brown
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That's what Fargo. Fargo gets the Indian out.
Host
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're out there cutting wheat and, you know, selling black market wheat.
Seth
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The Amish mafia.
Host
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Yeah, the buttermilk mafia. Yeah. And again, I think this is a near, for me personally is a near perfect film.
But there are some weird things like that where it's like, that is just a too nice apartment, you know, I don't know.
Seth
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I remember Oscar Isaac is like a criminal, so he probably had a bunch of shit stashed away that she was living off of.
Host
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Maybe it was part of the protection money.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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That got him killed.
Seth
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Yeah, good point.
Mariana Brown
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Oh, by the way, I watched this a million years ago before I knew who Oscar Isaac was. Again with the casting.
Host
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Yeah. I think nobody. I think a lot of us didn't know at the time.
Seth
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I mean, I. I barely recognized him this time. Yeah, like, he just. It was such a different character than anything he's ever played before. I love it so much.
Host
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Yeah, he kind of felt like someone that could have been typecast as a criminal. And then all of a sudden he just has all this range. Yeah, he just is doing Dune, but.
Seth
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Then he still also is like Apocalypse. Like he's. He also playing the villains at times. Then he comes in and does po in Star Wars. Like, dude's got some crazy range.
Mariana Brown
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And Annihilation, like to bring up Annihilation, one of my favorites.
Host
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There you go.
Mariana Brown
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Big fan.
Seth
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I haven't seen it.
Mariana Brown
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Oh, you should.
Seth
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Okay.
Host
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Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, he's great. Number two questions. The questions.
Should it be mandatory for everyone to wear a jacket with a creature on it so we know what we're getting into at all times?
Seth
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Absolutely. 100.
Host
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Yeah.
Seth
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What? Okay, now the question I have about that though. Would it be like your spirit animal that you're putting on on your jacket?
Like, and if so, what would. What would yalls be?
Host
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I think if. I just want to know if you're unstable.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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Like if you're gonna smash a guy's head in an elevator while I'm in there, I probably will take the next one.
Seth
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Yeah.
Host
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You know what I mean?
Seth
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I mean, that's the scorpion. That would do that.
Host
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Yeah, the scorpion's a good indicator, I think. Me, like, what's the. I'd probably be a sloth or a golden retriever.
Seth
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There you go.
Mariana Brown
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Oh, yeah.
Host
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I've got two golden retrievers. That's because I think they mimic my personality. Yeah, yeah. I'm cute, but I'm not very bright, so. Yeah. But very loyal. Very loyal.
I'll follow you right into a volcano.
Seth
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Yeah, yeah.
Mariana Brown
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Oh, yeah. That's a good quality.
Seth
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What would yours be?
Mariana Brown
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I feel like it'd be a rabbit. I feel like I'm kind of a rabbit or a cat or something.
Host
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Okay. Yeah.
Mariana Brown
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I wish it would be, like a bear, like a wolf.
Seth
00:13:04.903 - 00:13:05.247
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:13:05.311 - 00:13:07.743
But I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's authentic.
Seth
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Mine would definitely be Seth Rogen. Yeah.
Host
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Okay.
Seth
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Yeah. He is 100% my spirit animal, so I would just have his face on the back of a jacket.
Host
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His outline. Yeah, Yeah. I found out recently how much, like, you're sending me your, like, Black Friday shopping list and stuff.
I'm like, I didn't even know Seth Rogen had a company.
Seth
00:13:22.315 - 00:13:23.659
Oh, yeah, look at this thing.
Mariana Brown
00:13:23.787 - 00:13:24.915
He has a company.
Seth
00:13:24.995 - 00:13:34.219
He has a weed company. And I just bought a. What, like an old school car lighter that he mounted in some green marble, so it's here on Tuesday. Okay.
Mariana Brown
00:13:34.307 - 00:13:36.539
Well, yeah. You got tchotchkes around.
Seth
00:13:36.627 - 00:13:36.907
Oh, yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:13:36.931 - 00:13:38.775
You got a tchotchke filled house.
Host
00:13:40.235 - 00:13:56.655
Isn't it funny when you find out an actor or a celebrity owns a business? It's like talking about a toddler. It's like, oh, isn't that cute? You have a business. That's so cute.
You're not just a dumb idiot that reads lines for other people to entertain. You have a business. Yeah. You use Excel just like the rest of us. So cute.
Mariana Brown
00:13:56.735 - 00:13:57.271
Oh, my God.
Host
00:13:57.303 - 00:13:57.471
Right?
Seth
00:13:57.503 - 00:13:58.695
He must love Slack.
Host
00:13:58.815 - 00:13:59.071
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:13:59.103 - 00:14:02.167
He's always Microsoft Teams.
Host
00:14:02.351 - 00:14:08.711
Yeah. Oh, God. We cannot let corporate culture leak into this podcast. We can't do it.
Mariana Brown
00:14:08.783 - 00:14:13.479
He's got. He's got the enterprise. Microsoft. We don't even know.
Host
00:14:13.607 - 00:14:16.195
I turn my notifications off on the weekends.
Seth
00:14:17.375 - 00:14:18.995
I like to center myself.
Host
00:14:20.125 - 00:14:22.405
Yeah. But let me know when that thing shows up. That's really cool.
Seth
00:14:22.445 - 00:14:23.501
Oh, absolutely.
Host
00:14:23.693 - 00:14:25.645
Seth Rogen does not sponsor this podcast.
Seth
00:14:25.685 - 00:14:27.381
But Houseplant. You should.
Host
00:14:27.573 - 00:14:28.325
Randos.
Seth
00:14:28.405 - 00:14:29.117
Randos.
Host
00:14:29.221 - 00:14:31.477
Yes. Randos. You gotta say it.
Mariana Brown
00:14:31.581 - 00:14:32.301
Randos.
Host
00:14:32.373 - 00:14:43.909
Yes. It's an honorary Thing. So, Seth for upgrade. He wanted to upgrade, and I let him say he's the first person. You're the first girl.
He's the first person besides me to ever be the first to say randos. It was very nerve wracking. But he got it. That chit right here.
Seth
00:14:43.997 - 00:14:45.237
Yeah, Right in the diaphragm.
Host
00:14:45.301 - 00:14:49.925
Randos. You got to feel the vibrations, right? Do you feel it, Randos?
Seth
00:14:50.305 - 00:14:52.369
I mean, I feel it all over my body when you say it.
Host
00:14:52.417 - 00:14:54.673
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. When I add the compression and shit.
Seth
00:14:54.729 - 00:14:55.041
Oh, yeah.
Host
00:14:55.073 - 00:15:40.587
Pro Tools. Oh, it's like Kyle versus the Volcano in here. All right, so this story is interesting. After you watch all of Refn's movies, this story makes sense.
But if you know nothing about Refn. So Gosling wanted to work with Refn after he watched Bronson. He loved Tom Hardy's performance.
And even though he was kind of known as like a Notebook guy, that guy, he was a. He's a person that wanted to do indie films, and that was his inspiration.
So he connected with Ref and Ref, you know, bounces between New York and Copenhagen. So that's kind of his life. And I guess Refn went to a tarot card reader and said, you will have much success in Hollywood if you go to Hollywood.
And so he's like, okay. Because, you know, he did the Pusher trilogy, which is where Mads Mikkelsen, he met him. He's in the Pusher trilogy, Valor Rising.
Seth
00:15:40.651 - 00:15:41.123
Okay.
Host
00:15:41.219 - 00:16:15.413
So that's kind of his scene. And so. But he hadn't had a lot of box office success or anything because he was very indie. And so he comes over and he's connected with Gosling.
And in the meantime, during all this time, they had the rights to this book for Drive had been bought, and it was going to be an $80 million budget that Hugh Jackman was attached to. It was going to be like a Fast and Furious knockoff. Even though the book is kind of. It's not super in line, but it's pretty in line with the movie.
It's got the bones of it. So it's kind of funny. They're like, hey, let's buy this kind of semi artsy book and just still make it another Fast and Furious movie.
I wish Drew was here to commentate on that because, you know, all right.
Mariana Brown
00:16:15.589 - 00:16:17.885
Yeah, yeah, he's not dead.
Seth
00:16:17.965 - 00:16:20.853
He's not dead. He's just driving back from Memphis. So he might as well be dead.
Host
00:16:20.909 - 00:18:00.125
Living a quarter mile at a time, as he likes to say. I can't believe we ended up saying his catchphrase while he's not here. Yeah. So anyway, we have the situation where.
So basically Ryan Gosling then gets brought on by the producer and he's like, I don't want to do this type of movie. He's like, this is not what this should be. And so he. And then he. He's the reason Refin got brought in, because he wanted to work with Ref.
He's like, well, maybe Refin will be good. So Refin comes into la, he flies in, he gets sick on the plane, and he's supposed to meet with Gosling about Drive.
And it's not called Drive at the end. It's still a very early. And he. This medication, whatever he takes, makes him super wonky. He can barely, like, make sentences happen.
He's sick and, like, they're talking at dinner and nothing's really happening. And he finally just says in. Ryan Gosling knows LA really well. So he actually gave him tours of la, showed him la.
The LA river scene in Drive is Ryan Gosling's idea because he lives there and loves it anyway. And so finally, Ref just like, can you please take me home? And so he. He's taking. He's taking Refen to wherever he's living at the time.
And Aro Speedwagon song Can't Fight this feeling comes along and it makes Ref and emotional. They both start singing this song at the top of their lungs.
And Refn says to Gosling, he says, I want to make a movie about a guy that the only way he can emotionally express himself is driving around LA in his car listening to music. And Ryan Gosling said, that's the movie hell. Yeah, that is the. That's the movie hell. That's kind of how Drive kind of became.
It went from this fast and furious. And then of course, though, on the back end, the financiers were like, we're not giving you $80 million for a fucking art house movie with no.
We have no REO Speedwagon. We have no idea what you're talking about. And so the budget went down to like 15 million, which is still solid.
Seth
00:18:00.165 - 00:18:08.189
For what they did. Like, that's. I mean, that's three times the budget for Upgrade. So, I mean, that. Yeah, that's a solid budget right there.
Host
00:18:08.237 - 00:18:08.885
It really is.
Seth
00:18:08.925 - 00:18:09.333
Yeah.
Host
00:18:09.429 - 00:18:36.885
And so anyway, the studio started passing on it, right? And they're like, we don't want to do it. And so they had to get like a French. This French based distributor company that was going to distribute it.
And all these People, like, they're like, I don't know what he wants to do. And so people are like, before it premieres, it can. They're, like, removing their name from it.
Like, they're still financing, but we don't want to be attached to this flaming piece of. We have no idea what you're doing. Like, it's a car movie, but he's driving, like, a Nissan or whatever, or Ford Escape, whatever, that Focus.
Seth
00:18:38.705 - 00:18:43.233
1 driven car in. What was it, 2012 or 2010 at the time, which we got.
Host
00:18:43.289 - 00:19:03.625
Yeah, we gotta talk about the first scene of this movie. It's amazing. So anyway, they're, like, slowly detaching themselves from it and no one knows what's going on. And finally they pronounced. They.
They announced that they're going to be a can. And he gets best director at Cannes for this movie. And it was love. Like, it was a hit.
It ended up making $40 million, which is really strong for, like, an artist.
Seth
00:19:03.705 - 00:19:04.721
15 million dollar budget.
Host
00:19:04.753 - 00:19:20.843
That's fantastic for a guy that never had any mainstream success. Yeah. And. And so basically they're like, oh, we want. So they start attaching their name back to the movie.
So that's kind of the story of how this movie came to be. The trouble it went through. And it's kind of incredible because it's such a fantastic film.
Seth
00:19:20.899 - 00:19:33.195
Seriously, though, the soundtrack also. We have to talk about the soundtrack. It is the most perfect soundtrack of just about any movie I can think.
I legitimately have a very hard time thinking of any movie that has a better soundtrack.
Host
00:19:33.275 - 00:19:33.899
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:19:34.067 - 00:19:36.179
Or more recognizable, honestly.
Seth
00:19:36.347 - 00:19:45.299
And it's like those two major songs, Real Hero by college. And I forget. What was it? Nightwolf or something?
Mariana Brown
00:19:45.387 - 00:19:45.979
Night Call.
Seth
00:19:46.067 - 00:19:53.521
Night Call. Yeah. Those two songs were, like, era defining for, like, 2010 through 2014.
Host
00:19:53.633 - 00:19:53.993
Yeah.
Seth
00:19:54.049 - 00:19:57.601
Like, it was that. That whole era was defined by those two songs.
Mariana Brown
00:19:57.713 - 00:20:00.393
I just listened to them both on repeat on the way here.
Host
00:20:00.489 - 00:20:00.817
Same.
Mariana Brown
00:20:00.881 - 00:20:12.977
Yeah, I mean, I wanted to listen to the rest of it because I love Cliff Martinez. But I mean, those two really. They put you. They pull you into the movie, but they also just put you there when you're not watching it to.
Seth
00:20:13.001 - 00:20:13.441
Yeah.
Host
00:20:13.553 - 00:20:14.041
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:20:14.153 - 00:20:16.057
I'm like, oh, well, I'm driving an Impala.
Host
00:20:16.121 - 00:20:17.097
Where are my gloves?
Mariana Brown
00:20:17.201 - 00:20:17.965
You know?
Host
00:20:18.465 - 00:20:18.777
Yeah.
Seth
00:20:18.801 - 00:20:24.673
At the time, I put them both on my downtown driving playlist for when I would just be driving at night. Like, it was so perfect.
Mariana Brown
00:20:24.769 - 00:20:28.105
And that song for the very beginning scene, that is such a good scene when you're.
Host
00:20:28.145 - 00:20:30.245
Oh, the Tik Tok Chromatics.
Mariana Brown
00:20:30.585 - 00:20:32.953
Yeah. It's. It gives you a panic attack.
Host
00:20:33.009 - 00:21:12.659
Yeah, that's a good dishwashing song. It's like, when you have four kids, you need a pump up song, you know? Yeah, it's Mom, Daddy's going crazy again. Yeah. No, the soundtrack, it's. It's.
It's one of the first things you notice, too. Like, again, if you. If you're not familiar again. But Refn doesn't have that with any of his other films.
Like, the music's good in his other movies, but, you know, this movie is not an organic film. Like, it's very much about the aesthetics and the colors and the visuals. There's very minimal dialogue.
But that being said, even though the film itself isn't super organic, the music feels organic to the aesthetic of the film. So it kind of feels like it could sprout out of what we're seeing. It's a visual feast.
Seth
00:21:12.707 - 00:21:13.295
Yeah.
Host
00:21:13.615 - 00:21:27.255
And so it's. I love how it perfectly aligns. And I got some stuff about Cliff Martinez here too, but just really extraordinary. And I saw it on vinyl.
I almost nabbed it the other day, but I should have. I had four other vinyls in my hand, so the price has gone up, bro.
Seth
00:21:27.335 - 00:21:30.927
I know. I just bought five vinyls for. For Black Friday.
Host
00:21:31.031 - 00:21:31.415
Oh, yeah?
Seth
00:21:31.455 - 00:21:34.911
Yeah. I got the entire Sleep Token trilogy and a couple of Dayseker records.
Host
00:21:34.983 - 00:21:36.831
I just bought four children. Deli Meat.
Seth
00:21:36.903 - 00:21:37.335
There you go.
Host
00:21:37.375 - 00:21:40.759
So there you go. You should feed four kids in this economy. It's a blast.
Seth
00:21:40.807 - 00:21:41.775
Yeah, I think I'm good.
Host
00:21:41.855 - 00:21:43.583
Yeah? Yeah, you should try it. You should come over.
Mariana Brown
00:21:43.639 - 00:21:44.579
Deli Meat. I don't know.
Host
00:21:44.617 - 00:21:48.775
No, we had a good time, me and Deli me.
Mariana Brown
00:21:48.855 - 00:21:51.239
I didn't realize that I was, like, not fancy.
Host
00:21:51.327 - 00:21:52.919
This is my friend Boar's Head.
Seth
00:21:53.047 - 00:21:56.631
No, for a half second, I thought Deli Meat was like a new rapper.
Mariana Brown
00:21:56.703 - 00:21:59.635
I kind of did, too. And I was like, I'm gonna take a shot.
Host
00:22:00.375 - 00:22:02.959
Yeah, we need another mumble rapper named.
Seth
00:22:03.047 - 00:22:06.487
Salami on tour with Jelly Roll, man.
Host
00:22:06.511 - 00:22:16.471
We could make a whole podcast about this. But why are there so many types of salami? I know Genoa, Calabrese, they all look like maybe just a slight shade of pink or red. Different.
Seth
00:22:16.543 - 00:22:18.159
Yeah. Or they're a little spicier.
Host
00:22:18.247 - 00:22:20.351
But I've tried them. Like, they taste exactly the same.
Seth
00:22:20.383 - 00:22:20.831
Yeah.
Host
00:22:20.943 - 00:22:21.559
All right.
Seth
00:22:21.687 - 00:22:22.615
Thanks, Italy.
Mariana Brown
00:22:22.735 - 00:22:28.079
I'm not gonna, you know, fight you on this. I just think more dried meat is fine.
Host
00:22:28.127 - 00:22:30.319
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's not gonna hurt anybody.
Seth
00:22:30.367 - 00:22:31.647
I like a good charcuterie board.
Mariana Brown
00:22:31.711 - 00:22:33.727
I'm a Big Soprasada fan.
Seth
00:22:33.911 - 00:22:34.679
Okay. Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:22:34.767 - 00:22:35.071
Spicy.
Host
00:22:35.103 - 00:22:35.223
Yeah.
Seth
00:22:35.239 - 00:22:35.511
Yeah, yeah.
Host
00:22:35.543 - 00:22:41.095
Okay. All right. We kind of just sidled into your expertise in this area. All of a sudden, I'm like, agree with me. Yeah.
Seth
00:22:41.475 - 00:22:43.963
Tell us in the comments, what's your favorite deli meat?
Mariana Brown
00:22:44.139 - 00:22:45.259
Is it sabersada?
Host
00:22:45.347 - 00:22:47.371
They'll probably just tell us we said something wrong. And.
Seth
00:22:47.403 - 00:22:47.979
Yeah.
Host
00:22:48.147 - 00:22:49.775
Wish. Wish that I get cancer.
Mariana Brown
00:22:52.035 - 00:22:53.895
That is not gabagool. Actually.
Host
00:22:55.995 - 00:23:11.229
This was one of my favorite randos that I uncovered. So the pink hues are really cool, like the neon. A lot of the stuff with color grading.
And this actually is very consistent, especially when you look at Drive Onward when Only For God Forgives a Neon Demon. Refn is colorblind.
Mariana Brown
00:23:11.317 - 00:23:11.701
Yeah.
Host
00:23:11.773 - 00:23:12.205
Oh.
Seth
00:23:12.285 - 00:23:13.453
So is Christopher Nolan.
Host
00:23:13.549 - 00:23:13.829
Really?
Seth
00:23:13.877 - 00:23:14.197
Yeah.
Host
00:23:14.261 - 00:23:14.789
Oh, wow.
Mariana Brown
00:23:14.877 - 00:23:15.029
Yeah.
Seth
00:23:15.037 - 00:23:15.349
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:23:15.437 - 00:23:16.829
Sense for their movies. They make.
Host
00:23:16.877 - 00:23:17.733
Yeah. Honestly.
Mariana Brown
00:23:17.789 - 00:23:18.165
Yeah.
Host
00:23:18.245 - 00:23:32.773
And so. And I. I'm not gonna sit here. I am blind in different ways. I was born with cataracts, but I'm not gonna sit here and be pretend. Like.
I'm a specialist on colorblindness. But based on the research, I didn't want to get this wrong.
Colorblindness does not mean you can't necessarily see color, but it's how you perceive color.
Seth
00:23:32.829 - 00:23:33.085
Yeah.
Host
00:23:33.125 - 00:23:46.205
And apparently for Refn, for the type of colorblindness he has, really hot pink neon is what stimulates. He can actually tell. And the way he works, though, and what's amazing is how vivid and awesome the color is.
Seth
00:23:46.245 - 00:23:46.557
Yeah.
Host
00:23:46.621 - 00:23:52.005
All of his movies, I think it's his. Like. It's his. Like, you can see a movie visually and not hear anything and think that's a Reffn movie.
Seth
00:23:52.045 - 00:23:52.525
Yeah.
Host
00:23:52.645 - 00:24:02.717
Is that. He has his editor, Matt Newman, works with him on set and describes color grade to him. And they. They actually strategize it.
And he's, like, trying to explain. So he has to use words.
Seth
00:24:02.781 - 00:24:03.069
Yeah.
Host
00:24:03.117 - 00:24:12.331
To explain to Ref. He's like, well, this was. If we did these colors, and Refn doesn't know what green. So he's like, sitting there.
He's like, well, I think this type of color grade, and this is why it would work. And so Refn sitting there approving.
Seth
00:24:12.403 - 00:24:12.731
Yeah.
Host
00:24:12.803 - 00:24:14.459
In real time, the color grades.
Seth
00:24:14.547 - 00:24:15.427
That's fantastic.
Host
00:24:15.491 - 00:24:19.067
Yeah. It's pretty incredible considering how beautiful these movies are.
Seth
00:24:19.131 - 00:25:00.451
I mean, that is something. And at this point, I'm really only comparing the two. Him and Christopher Nolan.
But that is something I've noticed about both of their movies, is that the colors are so striking, and the contrast, especially, like, something that I love about the coloring and drive, is the contrast is both otherworldly but also incredibly natural at the same time. Like, you. You. You have these very dramatic shadows at times, but they. While they seem placed, they also seem very natural. Like it's.
It's a weird juxtaposition that. That he and Christopher Nolan tend to follow where. Where the. The colors kind of come out of nowhere, but you're still, like.
You're not confused by them. They all seem to make sense.
Host
00:25:00.523 - 00:25:01.135
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:25:01.665 - 00:25:10.177
I like how understated it all is, and I love neons. And especially at this time, it kind of set off this whole. I just wore black and neon yellow after this.
Host
00:25:10.281 - 00:25:10.729
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:25:10.817 - 00:25:20.721
Because I'm not colorblind. So, you know, hot pink has a whole different meaning for women, too. I'm like, well, I'm not that kind of person.
But neon yellow feels really authentic.
Seth
00:25:20.793 - 00:25:21.505
There you go.
Mariana Brown
00:25:21.625 - 00:25:35.377
So I just. I liked it. And then this is kind of how. With a lot of my favorite movies, it's like a team of people that work together well.
So I love that that's how it was described to him, the color grading. So it's like, you know, it's not just him that made the movie amazing.
Seth
00:25:35.441 - 00:25:35.897
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:25:36.001 - 00:25:40.481
So I like that. It just. You work with this team and everybody kind of gets what you're doing.
Seth
00:25:40.553 - 00:25:41.001
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:25:41.113 - 00:25:42.449
So it all worked.
Seth
00:25:42.577 - 00:25:55.881
I mean, again, that's something that we've discussed over the last few episodes, is you can.
You tend to see the movies get better when it's not just everybody's there and doing their job, but when everyone is 100% on board with what is happening.
Mariana Brown
00:25:55.953 - 00:25:57.353
You can tell when people like it.
Seth
00:25:57.409 - 00:25:57.625
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:25:57.665 - 00:25:58.937
When they like what they're doing.
Seth
00:25:59.001 - 00:25:59.393
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:25:59.489 - 00:26:05.873
And they're probably doing it more because the passion project. Because, like, I wonder what people get paid on these movies when they're art house.
Seth
00:26:06.009 - 00:26:20.409
Well, that's something we were talking about with the first couple of Crow movies. You could tell with the first Crow movie how dedicated every single person was on that set.
And then as the movies keep going, you just keep seeing how detached everyone got from the process.
Mariana Brown
00:26:20.497 - 00:26:22.073
It's like a bureaucracy at the end.
Seth
00:26:22.129 - 00:26:22.577
Yeah.
Host
00:26:22.681 - 00:26:23.925
Or they made that movie.
Seth
00:26:24.305 - 00:26:25.361
Yeah. Literally.
Host
00:26:25.473 - 00:26:27.649
Can I work from home? You're the cameraman. Don't care.
Seth
00:26:27.697 - 00:26:29.885
Yeah, I got PAs.
Host
00:26:31.185 - 00:26:34.653
Yeah. I'm going to sit here and just eat, like Kellogg's and.
Seth
00:26:34.669 - 00:26:35.741
Yeah, yeah, you guys.
Mariana Brown
00:26:35.853 - 00:26:38.429
We'll get the key grip and the best boy to do it.
Host
00:26:38.557 - 00:26:41.061
It's always the key grip. Damn key grip.
Mariana Brown
00:26:41.213 - 00:26:43.065
Nobody knows what a best boy is.
Seth
00:26:43.845 - 00:26:45.957
The best boy doesn't know what the Best boy is.
Host
00:26:46.021 - 00:26:50.093
Yeah. Well, and on that, like, you know, Tarantino's used the same editor.
Seth
00:26:50.189 - 00:26:50.509
Yeah.
Host
00:26:50.557 - 00:26:54.549
For his whole career. And they're, like. They're, like, tied at the hip and, like, he just gets Tarantino.
Seth
00:26:54.597 - 00:26:55.225
Yeah.
Host
00:26:55.565 - 00:27:18.269
And same with this editor. And some of the producers, like, these are just people that have worked with Refn, and they.
He's kind of unpredictable on set because it's funny when you hear him in interviews, he's kind of quiet and, you know. You know, he's got this, you know, accent and he's kind of chill. He's very artistic, like, just incredibly creative.
He's, like, really best friends with Kojima, the guy that created Metal Gear Solid. They're like, best friends, which is why he was in Death Stranding, you know, that I didn't know Refn Hartman in Death Strand.
Seth
00:27:18.317 - 00:27:22.205
There's so many big people. And, like, I love the fact that Guillermo del Toro's in there.
Host
00:27:22.245 - 00:27:23.669
Yeah. And Conan O'Brien.
Seth
00:27:23.717 - 00:27:25.997
Yeah. Yeah, I forgot about that.
Mariana Brown
00:27:26.061 - 00:27:26.589
Yeah.
Seth
00:27:26.677 - 00:27:36.717
Conan pops up in the weirdest places. I don't know if you guys know this. Quick sidetrack. He won a contest that got him a walk on role in an episode of How I Met yout Mother.
Host
00:27:36.821 - 00:27:37.317
Oh, really?
Seth
00:27:37.381 - 00:27:52.037
He's in the background of. And they. Once they realized it was him, they were like. You could say. He's like, no, I want to just be on camera. I don't want to say anything.
I just want to be there. And there's one episode where he is prominently displayed in the background of the bar. He just pops up all over the place of weirdest places.
Mariana Brown
00:27:52.101 - 00:27:53.597
That's why Conan's amazing.
Seth
00:27:53.661 - 00:27:57.083
Yeah. He's so unserious, but loves everything thing.
Mariana Brown
00:27:57.139 - 00:27:58.107
Yeah, man.
Host
00:27:58.171 - 00:28:14.283
So anyway, like, it's weird how quiet he is, but then when you watch footage of him on set directing, he's, like, yelling and, like, clapping, and he looks like he's gonna kill somebody. I can't remember. He has a nickname. He has, like, a Japanese nickname they've given him. But, like, on set, they refer to him as this.
And, like, he's like a different person.
Seth
00:28:14.379 - 00:28:28.891
I mean, when you put someone in their element like that, that's. That's when the real them comes out. Because it's like, a lot of times the rest of it's just the mask that we do to, like, stay away from people.
But then once. Once you're in it, you're just like, no, no, no. All bets are off. I'm getting exactly what I want out of this.
Mariana Brown
00:28:28.963 - 00:28:35.779
Yeah, that's like, how it is when I'm on stage, I feel like I'm a completely different person. I'm like, oh, this is who I would be if there were no other people in the world.
Seth
00:28:35.827 - 00:28:37.695
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:28:38.115 - 00:28:39.923
A crazy person. Yeah.
Host
00:28:40.019 - 00:28:41.915
Oh, gosh, yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:28:42.035 - 00:28:43.135
Throwing water.
Host
00:28:43.915 - 00:28:46.971
Oh, yeah, man. You drank a whole jug of water in my last show.
Mariana Brown
00:28:47.043 - 00:28:47.683
I really did.
Host
00:28:47.739 - 00:28:49.045
You were choking on air and.
Mariana Brown
00:28:49.115 - 00:28:49.553
Yeah.
Host
00:28:49.649 - 00:28:53.161
And then you told me after it was your worst fear. I'm like, I'm sorry that happened on my show.
Mariana Brown
00:28:53.273 - 00:28:59.329
No, I guess it needed to happen. You know, you got to face your fears at some point. Why not when you're talking in with a microphone, you know?
Host
00:28:59.417 - 00:28:59.785
Sure.
Seth
00:28:59.865 - 00:29:00.753
Yeah, yeah.
Host
00:29:00.849 - 00:29:02.737
I like to. I like to work it out in front of people.
Mariana Brown
00:29:02.841 - 00:29:06.297
Yeah. The only time it works, honestly, like.
Host
00:29:06.321 - 00:29:12.609
Here, I'm going to have my first aneurysm right here. Yeah. My brain exploding is kind of a fear I have. Yeah.
Seth
00:29:12.737 - 00:29:17.965
Mine is getting stuck in a tunnel or hole upside down, and I can't turn around.
Host
00:29:18.545 - 00:29:25.145
That happened to. What is it? There was some story that got really popular about a guy that. They go spelunking and some guy got stuck.
Seth
00:29:25.265 - 00:29:27.009
Yeah, yeah. You know, I've heard about this.
Mariana Brown
00:29:27.057 - 00:29:32.245
Well, a guy actually climbed into a statue once and then died upside down.
Host
00:29:32.625 - 00:29:33.097
Oh, my God.
Mariana Brown
00:29:33.121 - 00:29:34.841
So you could just climb into a statue?
Seth
00:29:34.913 - 00:29:36.809
Yeah, no, I'm good. See, I won't.
Host
00:29:36.897 - 00:29:43.089
But then it was a Robert E. Lee statue, so then they tore it down and found his body and posthumously. They labeled him a racist.
Seth
00:29:43.137 - 00:29:43.505
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:29:43.585 - 00:29:48.109
Yeah, exactly. Actually, I think it was a kid trying to get a TikTok video. You, honestly.
Host
00:29:48.277 - 00:29:49.877
Yeah. He was canceled in death.
Seth
00:29:49.941 - 00:29:50.545
Yeah.
Host
00:29:50.845 - 00:29:52.285
What a life we live.
Mariana Brown
00:29:52.365 - 00:29:53.389
Aren't we all?
Host
00:29:53.517 - 00:29:59.997
He should have stuck with the aneurysm. Aneurysms aren't racist. They don't care what color or what race or religion you are.
Seth
00:30:00.061 - 00:30:00.813
No, they just hate everybody.
Mariana Brown
00:30:00.829 - 00:30:02.317
They don't seem to.
Host
00:30:02.501 - 00:30:03.581
We don't know.
Mariana Brown
00:30:03.733 - 00:30:05.021
We don't really know yet.
Host
00:30:05.133 - 00:30:12.077
There's some weird scientists out there who's like, have we done a study on this, man? Man, aneurysms. Love the Mormons.
Seth
00:30:12.141 - 00:30:18.655
Yeah. Do you know any black people who died of aneurysm? No. Hates the whites.
Host
00:30:20.275 - 00:30:31.291
That was a great side side note, though. I don't remember what I was talking about. You mentioned Cliff Martinez earlier, so this is incredible.
He was the drummer in between Jack Irons, who also played for Pearl Jam.
Seth
00:30:31.363 - 00:30:31.635
Okay.
Host
00:30:31.675 - 00:30:36.139
He was in between. You know, Pearl Jam had 94 drummers. That's an exaggeration, but I think it's like 21 drummers.
Mariana Brown
00:30:36.227 - 00:30:36.995
91.
Host
00:30:37.115 - 00:30:37.459
Yeah.
Seth
00:30:37.507 - 00:30:38.043
Yeah.
Host
00:30:38.179 - 00:30:39.435
91 in one day.
Seth
00:30:39.475 - 00:30:39.667
Yeah.
Host
00:30:39.691 - 00:30:44.251
Yeah. It was called Drummer Fest. It was weird. And then they played Little Drummer Boy because it was Christmas. It was weird.
Seth
00:30:44.363 - 00:30:45.915
Brought all of them out at the same time.
Host
00:30:45.995 - 00:30:49.355
Yeah. Pearl Jam sucks. No, I'm kidding.
Mariana Brown
00:30:49.515 - 00:30:50.483
I love Pearl Jam.
Host
00:30:50.539 - 00:30:50.795
Yeah.
Seth
00:30:50.835 - 00:30:54.115
But get ready for the Pearl Jam fans to come after you. The way the deftone fans.
Mariana Brown
00:30:54.155 - 00:30:55.867
He does not represent me. I love Pearl Jam.
Host
00:30:55.931 - 00:30:57.435
I love their first three records.
Seth
00:30:57.515 - 00:30:59.011
He loves the Deftones.
Host
00:30:59.043 - 00:30:59.739
The Pearl Jam.
Seth
00:30:59.787 - 00:31:00.067
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:31:00.131 - 00:31:02.215
I'm the lesbian Eddie Vedder.
Host
00:31:03.275 - 00:31:09.175
Oh, be there. Raise your hand. Pearl. It's perfect.
Mariana Brown
00:31:10.515 - 00:31:11.123
Absolutely.
Host
00:31:11.179 - 00:31:13.683
You can't move your mouth when you sing. Pearl. Pearl.
Seth
00:31:13.739 - 00:31:16.675
It's nothing but vowels. And you can't move your mouth, girl.
Mariana Brown
00:31:17.015 - 00:31:20.355
He like, if a dog were singing.
Host
00:31:21.415 - 00:31:24.995
Yes. Cliff Martin.
Seth
00:31:25.455 - 00:31:27.887
Eddie Vedder is just a husky on stage.
Host
00:31:28.071 - 00:31:32.207
This is amazing. This is what happens when you get three comedians on a couch.
Seth
00:31:32.271 - 00:31:33.559
Yeah. Two couches.
Host
00:31:33.607 - 00:31:56.051
So the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Cliff Martinez was the drummer in between Irons and Chad Smith. Yeah. So anyway, and he said that when he did this film.
So first of all, they did a lot of the movie without him. So. And the way they were kind of curating the feel was they would do a playlist.
Ryan Gosling would drive around LA and listen to it, and he would curate songs, and that was how they established the field. But they actually. It was like a. It was a fourth quarter decision to get Martinez in.
Seth
00:31:56.083 - 00:31:56.611
Oh, wow.
Host
00:31:56.723 - 00:32:06.915
And he said before this movie he didn't get a lot of calls. And he said after drive came out, everyone. His phone wouldn't stop. And so he's been endlessly busy. Famous.
Seth
00:32:06.995 - 00:32:07.683
Good for him.
Host
00:32:07.779 - 00:32:17.571
Which is funny when you. Another guy, when you hear him interviewed on the special features, he's like an introverted, creative guy.
I'm like, you were in the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Those guys play concerts with socks on their junk.
Seth
00:32:17.643 - 00:32:17.923
Yeah.
Host
00:32:17.979 - 00:32:26.171
Like, with nothing else. And you were like. He's like, yeah. I mean, Nicholas called me. Or Nick. They called me and Nick called me and he's like, I think I could do that. Yeah.
Seth
00:32:26.203 - 00:32:31.131
I mean, Anthony Cletus is kind of the same way. Like, if you just watch him get interviewed when he's not on drugs.
Host
00:32:31.203 - 00:32:33.211
Is that the Arkansas version of Anthony Kiedis?
Seth
00:32:33.243 - 00:32:35.175
Oh, is that his name? I thought there was in there.
Host
00:32:35.755 - 00:32:36.575
Yeah.
Seth
00:32:36.975 - 00:32:37.863
My bad, Anthony.
Host
00:32:37.919 - 00:32:41.915
That's hilarious. Sorry, I don't. I could help her. Cletus. Anthony.
Seth
00:32:42.255 - 00:32:47.583
But he's like. He's super chill when he gets interviewed and then he gets on stage and he's like, you said sock on his junk. Jumping around.
Host
00:32:47.639 - 00:32:50.807
Let's put a sock on and then we'll read Nietzsche.
Seth
00:32:50.871 - 00:32:51.515
Yeah.
Host
00:32:52.535 - 00:33:25.757
And two more random. I'm telling you, I had to stop myself with these randos. Cranston came up with the. The demise for his character.
He told GQ magazine that he was like, he dreamt this way. And it's a humane killing. You know, we know you can tell by his limp that Ron Perlman's character. These can be vicious people.
Even though they're wannabe gangsters, they're kind of like low, low level. But he. He didn't want to do it. And so Cranston actually is the one that came up with this idea for the vertical. Yeah, I guess. Not that I know this.
This is based on research, not from experience, but apparently vertical vein cutting is fast and painless.
Seth
00:33:25.821 - 00:33:39.355
My favorite Family Guy joke is when Peter is. Is trying to kill himself, and he's just like, which way am I supposed to cut my arms? And you just hear Megan in the background. She just.
She's just like, sideways for attention, lengthways for results.
Mariana Brown
00:33:41.535 - 00:33:43.711
Down the street. That's what I've always heard.
Host
00:33:43.823 - 00:33:45.231
What season is that?
Seth
00:33:45.343 - 00:33:47.503
Oh, God, who knows? It's one of the middle seasons.
Host
00:33:47.559 - 00:33:49.135
Oh, I stopped at the vibe.
Mariana Brown
00:33:49.295 - 00:33:49.911
That's amazing.
Host
00:33:49.983 - 00:33:58.057
I should pick it back up. And last, the driver is near silent in this movie. 116 lines of dialogue for Ryan Gosling's character in this movie.
Seth
00:33:58.121 - 00:34:01.961
Maybe that's why he's such a good actor in this movie, is because he doesn't say much.
Mariana Brown
00:34:02.073 - 00:34:06.689
Well, I would have thought he had 12 lines. Honestly, it doesn't even feel like he has 116.
Seth
00:34:06.777 - 00:34:07.273
Yeah.
Host
00:34:07.329 - 00:34:07.609
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:34:07.657 - 00:34:11.025
But that's what I like about his character is he's not a people pleasing asshole.
Seth
00:34:11.065 - 00:34:11.457
No.
Mariana Brown
00:34:11.561 - 00:34:13.289
I really wish I could be more like him.
Seth
00:34:13.337 - 00:34:13.993
Yeah. Seriously.
Mariana Brown
00:34:14.089 - 00:34:15.577
I mean, not like sometimes I just.
Seth
00:34:15.601 - 00:34:16.417
Need to shut up.
Mariana Brown
00:34:16.521 - 00:34:18.761
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Especially in comedy.
Seth
00:34:18.833 - 00:34:19.485
Yeah.
Host
00:34:19.825 - 00:34:23.865
Yeah. No kidding. Yeah. When I'm wordsmithing jokes, I am, like, overwrought.
Seth
00:34:23.905 - 00:34:24.153
Yeah.
Host
00:34:24.209 - 00:34:40.991
I'm like. I delete, like, paragraphs from my jokes. Yeah. But now I love it. He does. He's a very. Actually, let's get into this with.
We're going to start the score card because this is our first category, actually. It's actually a great segue because we will talk about Ryan Gosling. You guys ready to drive?
Seth
00:34:41.103 - 00:34:41.415
Yes.
Host
00:34:41.455 - 00:34:43.903
Are we ready to war? Work hard.
Seth
00:34:43.959 - 00:34:44.863
Work hard.
Host
00:34:44.879 - 00:34:55.034
Your first work car. I can't even say it. It's my own podcast. I do this every episode. War card. How long have I been doing this?
Seth
00:34:55.174 - 00:34:58.210
I mean, it has been a solid like few weeks since we've done this.
Host
00:34:58.282 - 00:35:01.634
Yeah, we had to cancel for flu and all kinds of things.
Seth
00:35:01.674 - 00:35:03.458
So hangover and.
Host
00:35:03.586 - 00:35:05.474
Yeah, Birthday hangover. Boy.
Seth
00:35:05.554 - 00:35:09.394
Yeah, that was. We were up till 4am until I finally kicked everyone out.
Mariana Brown
00:35:09.474 - 00:35:10.690
I wasn't invited.
Host
00:35:10.802 - 00:35:11.826
I'm not gonna lie.
Seth
00:35:11.970 - 00:35:12.634
Really?
Mariana Brown
00:35:12.794 - 00:35:18.218
I wasn't even invited. And I'm telling them because you guys didn't invite me. I'm just kidding. I wouldn't have come.
Host
00:35:18.266 - 00:35:29.111
And I'm. I'm like a super judgmental father of 437 going on 65. Just judging. You like canceling because of a hangover. What is.
We don't work at Dick Sporting Goods. This is a podcast.
Seth
00:35:29.223 - 00:35:39.279
If it makes you feel any better, three of the four comedian friends I didn't invite all canceled on me. Other than Nick Galoose. Shout out to Nick Galooz. You're a bro. But yeah, you canceled on me.
Host
00:35:39.327 - 00:35:41.959
I didn't cancel. I just said to remind me and you didn't remind me.
Seth
00:35:41.967 - 00:35:46.087
I didn't remind you When? Over text. You even brought it up yourself.
Host
00:35:46.151 - 00:35:49.031
I really did want to come. I'm sorry. It's probably better I didn't.
Mariana Brown
00:35:49.103 - 00:35:52.079
He does have a really good excuse, though. He has four children.
Host
00:35:52.127 - 00:35:52.887
I have four children.
Seth
00:35:52.951 - 00:35:54.135
Yeah, but at the age of 10.
Mariana Brown
00:35:54.215 - 00:36:03.259
That'S an excuse for anybody to do anything for me. I'm like, you couldn't. If you today, 10 minutes before I left, I'd be like, yeah, well, he has four kids.
You were to cancel, I'd be like, yeah, he has four kids.
Host
00:36:03.307 - 00:36:08.739
Here's my promise to you. I'm going to take you out for your birthday. Buy a big boy drink. Old fashioned. Just one.
Seth
00:36:08.827 - 00:36:09.455
Thanks.
Mariana Brown
00:36:11.955 - 00:36:14.835
Now that's a dad just talking right there.
Host
00:36:14.875 - 00:36:17.859
Yeah, you're drinking that a little fast, so enjoy the flavor.
Mariana Brown
00:36:17.987 - 00:36:18.683
Savor it.
Host
00:36:18.739 - 00:36:21.739
Save. That was a $14 drink.
Seth
00:36:21.867 - 00:36:22.555
We haven't even.
Host
00:36:22.635 - 00:36:30.291
Are we even to be able to tip top bill cast so we can finally. Ryan Gosling and Carey Mulligan.
Seth
00:36:30.443 - 00:36:31.283
Both amazing.
Mariana Brown
00:36:31.379 - 00:36:32.387
Love, Carey Mulligan.
Seth
00:36:32.451 - 00:36:34.755
Did we figure out what we're saying for yes or no?
Host
00:36:34.915 - 00:36:39.475
Yes. Great. I always forget to say it. So. The affirmative. Yes. We dig it. Like it. I drive.
Seth
00:36:39.595 - 00:36:40.387
I drive. Okay.
Host
00:36:40.451 - 00:36:42.495
And if you didn't like it, fork to the eye.
Seth
00:36:43.795 - 00:36:44.611
Hell yeah.
Host
00:36:44.723 - 00:36:48.083
Because there's not a lot of dialogue to pick from. So I kind of had to go for the second one.
Seth
00:36:48.139 - 00:36:51.735
I thought you were gonna say drive and break, but okay. Fork to the eye that works for me.
Host
00:36:52.515 - 00:36:55.895
Yeah, that was rough. That was a rough moment.
Seth
00:36:57.695 - 00:37:23.425
Love them. They were both incredible. Like I. Like I said at the beginning, this was the movie that convinced me Ryan Gosling could act.
All of it was so much in his facial expressions and his body language. Like, as we just said, he had barely any lines in the whole movie.
And, yeah, he is one of the few times I've seen someone carry a movie without saying much. So, no, I think he did a great job. Carey Mulligan, always amazing. Like, everything I've seen her in, she's crushed. Yeah, yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:37:23.765 - 00:37:33.469
They really, like, hold space in the screen when they're saying nothing. There's so much said in the moments where the nobody's talking. I'm like, how do they do this?
Seth
00:37:33.517 - 00:37:34.053
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:37:34.189 - 00:37:41.469
Because I don't know how, but it's. It's almost like the way he carries himself in the scenes. Like, I really believe he's this guy.
Seth
00:37:41.557 - 00:37:42.085
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:37:42.205 - 00:37:51.315
Who just lives alone and he doesn't seem to have any family. And I don't know exactly what his story is, but I'm just like, yeah, this guy, he's a mechanic and he drives at night and does the sun.
Seth
00:37:51.355 - 00:37:51.731
Driver.
Mariana Brown
00:37:51.803 - 00:37:58.699
This is his life. If you were to tell me that was Ryan Gosling's real life that they filmed for this movie, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, believe it.
Host
00:37:58.747 - 00:38:00.243
Ryan Gosling goes to the laundromat.
Seth
00:38:00.299 - 00:38:00.707
Yeah.
Host
00:38:00.811 - 00:38:24.989
Ryan Gosling just goes to McDonald's. Yeah, they in the life. So, yeah, I drive, I drive, I drive, I drive. I say I drive as well.
I think one of the most interesting things I found out in the research was that refin this is. This story is really two things in. First, it's a fairy tale. He's like obsessed with the grim fairy tales and hicks.
So the love story element of it is a fairy tale. But then it's like the other part of it. It's the hero's journey.
Seth
00:38:25.037 - 00:38:25.405
Yeah.
Host
00:38:25.485 - 00:38:48.885
But I've never heard someone so artistically but profoundly describe the hero's journey. What he says is that it's the job of the hero. The biggest sin that a hero can commit is not. Not using their power or not using their. Like that is.
But in order to be a superhero, you have to be a narcissist. You have to be self obsessed because you won't do good in life. Now you could argue what kind of good he's doing because he's actually a criminal.
Seth
00:38:48.965 - 00:38:49.269
Yeah.
Host
00:38:49.317 - 00:39:03.161
But he's also killing criminals. So. And that's the whole relativity Thing.
But at the end of the day, in order for him to become the ultra violent, sadistic guy who he really is, which in this situation is the hero, he has to play off this quiet.
Seth
00:39:03.273 - 00:39:03.609
Yeah.
Host
00:39:03.657 - 00:39:11.633
This puppy dog look and like, it makes the violence that much more. Like to me it's not even the violence. To me, the scariest moments when he slaps Christina Hendricks.
Seth
00:39:11.689 - 00:39:12.089
Yeah.
Host
00:39:12.177 - 00:39:16.561
And he's like trying to get info that that to me was worse than the violence. I was like, holy. Like.
Seth
00:39:16.633 - 00:39:35.061
Well, I mean, remember when you're watching him, he clearly has his code. He's only going to drive you. He's not going to be involved in the actual crime. He's not going to do anything.
The only time he gets violent is when this person he's discovered he loves is in danger. And so I think that's where even though it could be considered like an anti hero kind of situation.
Host
00:39:35.133 - 00:39:35.549
Yeah.
Seth
00:39:35.637 - 00:39:44.485
He still is this type of knight in shining armor during this movie because he's only doing the horrific things to protect someone he loves.
Host
00:39:44.565 - 00:39:45.613
Yeah, that's true.
Seth
00:39:45.669 - 00:39:47.177
Yeah. I think it's a good description.
Host
00:39:47.301 - 00:39:51.217
Yeah, it's very good. But anyway. And Mulligan's fantastic too. Oh my God.
Mariana Brown
00:39:51.281 - 00:39:52.241
Amazing. Yeah.
Host
00:39:52.313 - 00:40:06.561
In the book she's actually. So there's actually a more of a Hispanic element and her name I think is. I can't remember her name but she's like actually Hispanic and like.
But then like she really also wanted to do a ref in movies. Like. Ah, we'll change it to a British person. You know, even though she's not British. Movie, we'll take a British actress. Why not?
Seth
00:40:06.633 - 00:40:08.377
How different is the movie from the book?
Host
00:40:08.481 - 00:40:12.873
It's pretty bare bones. It's the, the language in the book is a little more hard boiled.
Seth
00:40:12.929 - 00:40:13.177
Okay.
Host
00:40:13.201 - 00:40:26.197
So it's written more like a hard boiled thriller. Like what you would almost see in Heat. But the, the bones of it are still artistic.
But you know, based on my research, like Cranston's character is a composite of like five different characters in the book.
Seth
00:40:26.261 - 00:40:26.525
Okay.
Host
00:40:26.565 - 00:40:27.597
The book's not very long.
Mariana Brown
00:40:27.661 - 00:40:27.997
Okay.
Host
00:40:28.061 - 00:40:31.765
But he has more friends, there's more group. There's more people in his life that you meet.
Seth
00:40:31.805 - 00:40:32.085
Okay.
Mariana Brown
00:40:32.125 - 00:40:32.341
Okay.
Host
00:40:32.373 - 00:40:35.125
Cranston's like a mixture of all the people. They boiled him.
Seth
00:40:35.165 - 00:40:39.877
I mean. Yeah. For a 15 million dollar budget, you just can't get 10 people to be part of the group. Yeah. So that makes sense.
Host
00:40:39.941 - 00:40:41.105
And he needs to be a loner.
Seth
00:40:41.205 - 00:40:41.441
Yeah.
Host
00:40:41.473 - 00:40:44.873
He needs to be a lone wolf for this to work. And so I think that's a good choice they made.
Seth
00:40:44.929 - 00:40:45.601
I agree.
Host
00:40:45.753 - 00:41:01.365
Supporting cast. We got Bryan Cranston as Shannon. We got Albert Brooks as Bernie Rose. Oscar Isaac as Standard. God, what a cast. Christina Hendricks as Blanche.
Robert Pearlman is Nino. And then the kid Caden Leos is Benicio. He sucked. I'm just kidding.
Seth
00:41:02.305 - 00:41:04.001
He's like another Jake Lloyd.
Mariana Brown
00:41:04.113 - 00:41:05.977
He's the only one that's not famous.
Seth
00:41:06.081 - 00:41:06.801
Oh, my God.
Host
00:41:06.873 - 00:41:08.009
Enjoy the LA River.
Mariana Brown
00:41:08.097 - 00:41:11.109
He's the only one that didn't end up to be very famous, so.
Seth
00:41:11.157 - 00:41:12.265
What an asshole.
Host
00:41:12.765 - 00:41:13.933
I'm taking him off the list right now.
Mariana Brown
00:41:13.949 - 00:41:17.605
I'm just kidding. He's probably like a famous something. He's like a famous baseball player.
Seth
00:41:17.645 - 00:41:19.429
He's probably the richest out of all of them now.
Host
00:41:19.477 - 00:41:19.773
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:41:19.829 - 00:41:22.877
Yeah. Or he got out of Hollywood and he's just living normally.
Host
00:41:22.941 - 00:41:24.173
Yeah. In the mountains.
Seth
00:41:24.229 - 00:41:26.345
Growing pot in the mountains of California.
Mariana Brown
00:41:27.125 - 00:41:28.189
I'm happy for him.
Seth
00:41:28.237 - 00:42:30.945
Yeah. I like you just said, I think it's an absolutely stacked cast. I think everyone brought 100% to the roles that they had. Like.
Like we were saying, Bryan Cranston had just started Breaking Bad a few years before this, so that I don't think had blown up the way that it was about to. So he was still kind of a little under the radar. Most people really only knew him as the dad from Malcolm in the Middle at the time.
So I think that was a really cool departure from what people knew him as. Also, he wasn't as.
It was almost like a mixture of the two types of characters that he played before that with Breaking Bad and with Malcolm the Middle, where he's still kind of a dopey guy, but he's still very serious. Not necessarily the comic relief of the movie. He did a great job.
Albert Brooks, literally going from the dad and Finding Nemo to being legitimately one of the most terrifying villains I've ever seen in an indie movie. I think he did a great job. Christina Hendricks would not have pegged her for this type of movie. Oscar Isaac, completely unrecognizable.
Ron Perlman did what Ron Perlman does. I fucking loved every single person.
Mariana Brown
00:42:31.065 - 00:42:35.921
That's a great way to describe Ron Perlman because he always plays Ron Perlman. Yeah.
Host
00:42:36.033 - 00:42:38.567
He's way too distinct. Looking to do anything else. Yeah.
Seth
00:42:38.631 - 00:42:40.435
This was Italian Ron Perlman.
Mariana Brown
00:42:42.655 - 00:43:09.407
Yeah. Oh, man. I wanted to go back to what you were just saying about, like, him being a hero.
And I've been thinking about this a lot and the hero's journey, because I love Jeffrey Campbell. I feel like these heroic characters when you Talk about them being narcissists. I feel like it.
He's like the kind of hero that you need in a world like we live in, you know? So, like, he might not be the good guy, but at the end of the day, the good guy is not going to. A good guy isn't going to get any of this done.
Seth
00:43:09.471 - 00:43:09.879
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:43:09.967 - 00:43:23.407
You know, that's not who this woman needed. That's not who this child needed. And, like, he is who they needed. So I don't know.
So I've been thinking so much about this, like, it's all good guy, bad guy dichotomy since watching it yesterday on Mushroom. So.
Host
00:43:23.471 - 00:43:24.115
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:43:25.775 - 00:43:27.275
Am I the bad guy?
Host
00:43:28.135 - 00:43:29.439
You killed the mushroom.
Mariana Brown
00:43:29.567 - 00:43:29.967
Yeah.
Host
00:43:30.031 - 00:43:31.607
So. I mean, you're the worst.
Mariana Brown
00:43:31.751 - 00:43:37.663
Am I the bad guy? Like, I'm watching it with. Okay, sorry. What?
Host
00:43:37.759 - 00:43:38.319
Supporting cast?
Seth
00:43:38.367 - 00:43:39.239
Supporting cast? Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:43:39.287 - 00:43:47.463
Love the supporting cast. I love everybody that was in this movie. I cannot believe I did not recognize Christina Hendrix in Mad Men from this.
Seth
00:43:47.519 - 00:43:47.879
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:43:47.967 - 00:43:52.223
But I also will say there's a lot to be said about wardrobe.
Seth
00:43:52.279 - 00:43:52.631
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:43:52.703 - 00:43:59.481
Wardrobe choices. And it was just the timing of the movie, but I feel like in Mad Men, her wardrobe is really a whole other character.
Seth
00:43:59.583 - 00:44:00.533
Oh, absolutely.
Mariana Brown
00:44:00.709 - 00:44:05.277
And then I was just like, I cannot believe you can make Christina Hendricks look like a regular person.
Seth
00:44:05.341 - 00:44:20.005
Yeah. Just wearing jeans to what you were saying.
Her wardrobe in Mad Men, especially speaking to the time that it was representing, was definitely made to augment parts of her body. This was just designed to make her fit into the role of the world.
Host
00:44:20.125 - 00:44:20.357
So.
Seth
00:44:20.381 - 00:44:30.791
Yeah, it wasn't designed to make her look sexy or make her look ugly. She just was looking like a normal person. So, yeah, I. Again, same thing. I would not have recognized her at all just from this movie.
Host
00:44:30.863 - 00:44:31.167
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:44:31.231 - 00:44:51.909
But I will also say that that style for women at that time, it is just obviously not flattering for anybody because, like, Christina Hendricks is not even flattering for one of the most beautiful women in history, literally. So it did make me feel good. I was like, oh, thank God.
Because all of my Pictures as a 12 year old is wearing, like a tank top and a hoodie and skinny jeans.
Host
00:44:52.107 - 00:44:57.073
Yeah. I don't know if I had distinct style. I don't even.
Mariana Brown
00:44:57.169 - 00:45:01.233
Maybe y'all wouldn't have picked up on that. But, like, as a woman, I was just like, oh, man.
Host
00:45:01.329 - 00:45:02.193
Interesting perspective.
Seth
00:45:02.249 - 00:45:02.625
Yeah.
Host
00:45:02.705 - 00:45:14.417
Thank you. Women for a woman's here. Yay. Finally, perspective that I can't bring. Outfit. No, it's. It's an incredible. It's an incredible observation. No, I.
I love that. So you go and I drive.
Mariana Brown
00:45:14.561 - 00:45:16.049
I drive, I drive.
Host
00:45:16.177 - 00:45:56.181
I'm going. I drive too. My favorite. So I love Cranston. What I love is that this is a.
Going back to a comment you made about, like, the look of Christine Hendricks. Like, part of it too is that this is not necessarily a proficient criminal enterprise. No, this is the lowest rung.
Like, like in Perlman is a Jewish guy in the Italian mob. He talks about how they make fun of him and they still pinch his cheeks even though he's in his 50s. Like, like, and I like it.
Like, Albert's competent, but you can tell that, like, he got into the mob out after filmmaking because he wanted to give it a go, you know? Like, I was like, maybe I'll do organized crime next. Are not the top tier guys. These are not the. Yeah, they're making money, but they're not exactly.
These are the earners.
Seth
00:45:56.253 - 00:45:56.813
Yeah.
Host
00:45:56.949 - 00:46:04.429
And so I think they do that really well. And I actually think Ron Perlman, a guy that I'm kind of either or on in some stuff. I do like him as Hellboy.
Seth
00:46:04.477 - 00:46:04.941
Yeah.
Host
00:46:05.053 - 00:46:15.149
But I, I, I love that he plays off this disappointed. Like, in his, like the violence that he, he did against Brian Cranston's character, Shannon was probably more out of, like, embarrassment.
Seth
00:46:15.197 - 00:46:15.733
Yeah.
Host
00:46:15.869 - 00:46:19.317
Because he's already embarrassed that he's looked at because he's not Italian.
Seth
00:46:19.381 - 00:46:19.717
Yeah.
Host
00:46:19.781 - 00:46:27.329
And he's low rung guy.
But he, he talks like he's a badass womanizing and saying these horrible things because you can tell he's like a teenager that just wants to be loved.
Seth
00:46:27.377 - 00:46:27.793
Yeah.
Host
00:46:27.889 - 00:46:39.289
And so he's, he's acting that way. And the act of violence against Shannon, I imagine in my mind was probably done out of embarrassment more than power.
So anyway, I think they play that really well. And there's not a lot of dialogue here to go with.
Seth
00:46:39.337 - 00:46:39.657
Yeah.
Host
00:46:39.721 - 00:46:45.673
But like you said earlier, like, what they're doing without talking is fantastic. So it's a huge idrive.
Seth
00:46:45.729 - 00:46:46.321
Yeah.
Host
00:46:46.473 - 00:46:50.135
So it's all right. Two to zero. I drive. We are driving. No, breaking.
Seth
00:46:50.215 - 00:46:51.751
Driving. Speeding on through.
Host
00:46:51.823 - 00:46:53.155
No fork in the eye.
Seth
00:46:54.095 - 00:46:54.639
Not yet.
Host
00:46:54.687 - 00:46:59.399
Yeah. Writing. And as a little reminder with writing, it was originally a Fast and Furious.
Seth
00:46:59.487 - 00:46:59.823
Yeah.
Host
00:46:59.879 - 00:47:00.279
Script.
Mariana Brown
00:47:00.367 - 00:47:02.831
That's insane. I would not have watched it.
Seth
00:47:02.903 - 00:47:04.407
Yeah. I wouldn't have either.
Host
00:47:04.551 - 00:47:08.463
Gone in refin seconds. Sorry. That was, that was really bad.
Mariana Brown
00:47:08.519 - 00:47:10.119
That was bad. You might want to cut that.
Host
00:47:10.207 - 00:47:11.879
Yeah. I'm going to shut the refin up now.
Seth
00:47:11.927 - 00:47:12.887
Yeah. There. There you go.
Host
00:47:12.911 - 00:47:14.315
It's not going well for me.
Seth
00:47:14.895 - 00:47:54.723
I might be going against the curve here. But I am actually going to go fork in the eye on. On this. Okay, here is the deal. I think the story is beautiful.
I think the way it's told is beautiful. Kind of the issue we had with Upgrade. I. I just don't think the diet.
When there is dialogue, I'd say 70% of the time, there's nothing substantial, and it's just kind of an avenue to get to the next scene. So personally, I don't think the script is the strongest element of this film.
I think the plot and the story and the characters are incredibly strong. But the script itself. I'm gonna go fork in the eye on.
Host
00:47:54.819 - 00:47:59.495
Cool. Ouch. Fork in the eye. It hurts. It hurts. My laptop died. I'm kidding.
Mariana Brown
00:48:01.115 - 00:48:19.171
I disagree. Fair. I feel like, honestly, with the visuals and everything else that was going on with the movie, especially the music, I didn't need them.
I didn't need the words at all, honestly. Could have watched it on mute and known exactly what was going on. You're right. That it wasn't necessary.
Seth
00:48:19.243 - 00:48:19.851
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:48:20.003 - 00:48:28.347
And. But I really felt like. I just loved that none of these people are people pleasers. I loved that there was not a people pleaser in the bunch.
Seth
00:48:28.411 - 00:48:29.099
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:48:29.267 - 00:48:41.895
And I just. I don't know, I kind of got lost in just wanting to be this aloof all the time. And I was like, I just kind of wish life was this sparse of words.
Yeah, that's not a great.
Seth
00:48:41.935 - 00:49:07.555
But see, that's where. That's where I had the issue is when, for example, Mad Max Fury Road, well known for having as bare minimum dialogue as possible.
The words that are said in that movie, every single time someone speaks. It's. It's a very powerful moment because you're not used to people speaking in that movie.
In this one, when most of the people do speak, it's just kind of stuff that's happening.
Host
00:49:07.595 - 00:49:07.987
Yeah.
Seth
00:49:08.091 - 00:49:30.819
You have those moments where, like, he gives his rules for being the getaway driver. Or Ron Perlman's good little monologue about being, you know, getting his pinches, his cheeks pinched and everything.
Or even Albert Brooks right before he kills Bryan Cranston. You have these moments where, yes, it's very powerful.
But that's why I say, like, 70% of the time, I feel like when there is dialogue, it's just nothing.
Host
00:49:30.907 - 00:49:31.867
It's almost functional.
Seth
00:49:31.971 - 00:49:45.723
Yeah, exactly. So I get where you're coming from, and I agree. Like, the fact that most of it is told without dialogue, I think is a very, very good.
But that's where my problem Is when there is dialogue, for the most part, it's not super powerful like the rest of the movie is.
Mariana Brown
00:49:45.819 - 00:49:57.531
I feel like it creates a world that you go into where. This is a world where people don't use words to communicate. And that's kind of how I was watching it.
But I also just like it when people shut the fuck up.
Seth
00:49:57.563 - 00:50:00.235
Yeah. Just shut up and act.
Mariana Brown
00:50:00.315 - 00:50:09.395
Kind of my favorite thing, honestly. But there was a movie I watched last year that had no words in it. And I was like, this was perfect. This was a perfect film.
Seth
00:50:09.475 - 00:50:14.247
Oh, yeah. Well, my scene. Your film at college, literally, I had zero dialogue in the whole movie.
Mariana Brown
00:50:14.311 - 00:50:17.535
I'm sure I would have been the biggest fan because I just. I don't.
Host
00:50:17.655 - 00:50:20.687
It didn't even have a title, just a blank space.
Seth
00:50:20.751 - 00:50:22.639
It had a title at the end, but not at the beginning.
Host
00:50:22.727 - 00:50:23.143
Starring.
Seth
00:50:23.199 - 00:50:23.671
Yeah.
Host
00:50:23.783 - 00:50:24.595
Nobody.
Mariana Brown
00:50:25.095 - 00:50:25.503
Just.
Seth
00:50:25.559 - 00:50:26.635
Just five people.
Host
00:50:27.655 - 00:50:29.855
The fork in the eye. You're driving.
Mariana Brown
00:50:29.935 - 00:50:30.303
Drive.
Host
00:50:30.359 - 00:50:48.467
Yeah. I go idrive, too. Although I see your perspective, you know, in a film like this.
And what I will say is this is an ironic statement because this is Refin's most accessible movie. Everything before and after, it is not accessible. Like, it's very he. Like, somehow this is very art house, but this is like limited.
Seth
00:50:48.531 - 00:50:49.059
Yeah.
Host
00:50:49.187 - 00:51:10.749
Refin. But I do think, like, there are a few moments that shine, I think, in silence. Like you're talking about it could be tempting to clutter with.
Like, there is so much silence. Like, let's throw a bad. Like there's one really almost cheesy line, but it works. But it's when he.
When Ryan Gosling's hands are dirty and he says, you know, shake my hand. And he goes, my hands are dirty. He goes, so are mine.
Seth
00:51:10.797 - 00:51:11.397
Yeah.
Host
00:51:11.541 - 00:51:16.765
I was like, that was really the only above board dialogue here. But I loved it.
Mariana Brown
00:51:16.805 - 00:51:27.013
Yeah, I love that moment. I specifically thought about that moment when I was on my way here and it made. When I want to put on my driving gloves to drive. Not very fast.
The complete speed limit.
Seth
00:51:27.069 - 00:51:27.705
Okay.
Host
00:51:29.005 - 00:51:42.229
Yeah. I definitely think the. This is one of those. And I'm.
I'm usually like, writing is one of the first things I'll typically pick up on in a movie in this. I think it was subservient to the aesthetic. And I think it started like the soundtrack. It's all in service to what we're seeing.
Seth
00:51:42.277 - 00:51:42.581
Yeah.
Host
00:51:42.653 - 00:51:47.317
So. But, yeah, no, I totally get it. And way to. Way to go out on the limb and get a fork in the eye.
Seth
00:51:47.381 - 00:51:47.985
Hey.
Host
00:51:48.365 - 00:51:59.597
Love it. All right. Three to zero right now. We Are driving along directing Nicholas Winding Ref.
And one fun fact I forgot to mention about Nicholas Winding Refin. He's failed his driving exam eight times. He doesn't have a driver's license.
Mariana Brown
00:51:59.701 - 00:52:01.925
He beat me. I failed it four times.
Host
00:52:02.005 - 00:52:03.709
Oh, wow. I'm glad you got here okay.
Mariana Brown
00:52:03.757 - 00:52:05.365
I know. We all are.
Seth
00:52:07.785 - 00:52:14.433
Somehow. I didn't parallel park or back into the space and I still got my license, so.
Mariana Brown
00:52:14.489 - 00:52:21.297
Yeah, well, I would have totally gotten my license if they had done that. If that was the test I got to take.
Host
00:52:21.481 - 00:52:22.601
Literally just parallel parking.
Seth
00:52:22.633 - 00:52:24.361
I was one point away from failing.
Mariana Brown
00:52:24.433 - 00:52:36.845
I did pull out in the. You know how the lane goes like this. That's the lane I pulled out of the place. And they were like, this is an automatic failure. And I was like, why?
Driving in the wrong. Wrong lane.
Host
00:52:36.965 - 00:52:42.093
Yeah. What about the part where you screamed at the old lady in the crosswalk? Was that you?
Mariana Brown
00:52:42.229 - 00:52:42.589
Yeah.
Host
00:52:42.637 - 00:52:53.345
Get out of the way. I'm driving. I'm an exam here. All right. What do we think about the directing here, Mr. Refn, you want to go first? Sure.
Mariana Brown
00:52:53.685 - 00:53:05.853
I loved it. I really, like. I feel like I.
I hear what you're saying when he's in an interview and he's different and then he's this other person on set that's kind of like, I used to work on set. I used to work on photo shoots.
Seth
00:53:05.909 - 00:53:06.269
Nice.
Mariana Brown
00:53:06.357 - 00:53:26.733
And I really like people who know what they want when it makes doing your job so much easier and it makes the project easier and it makes everything go better. I feel like if he weren't so good at directing, it wouldn't have worked the way it did because it is so subtle.
And that's the thing is, like, he makes the LA river look beautiful and.
Seth
00:53:26.749 - 00:53:30.597
Like a fun place to be. Sewage filled, dry ass river.
Mariana Brown
00:53:30.661 - 00:53:40.125
That's like a beautiful date. I'm like, what is this gorgeous life that these people live in this amazing place in Indiana?
Seth
00:53:40.985 - 00:53:44.805
The only two movies that have made the LA river look cool are Drive and T2.
Host
00:53:45.105 - 00:53:45.553
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:53:45.609 - 00:53:46.753
Yeah, that's for sure.
Seth
00:53:46.809 - 00:53:47.113
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:53:47.169 - 00:53:48.777
But I'm definitely idrive here.
Seth
00:53:48.841 - 00:54:29.189
Yeah, I drive as well. I think he did a fantastic job, despite my issues with parts of the dialogue. No, I think the whole package that he delivered was a very solid move.
Like we've said, half of the emotion that's portrayed through the movie is portrayed through body. You know, body language and facial expressions. And that 100% is the directing.
Like you, you can be the greatest actor possible, but if you aren't being given clear instructions on what you need to be emoting, it's a moot point. You have to have that solid director who knows, like you said, exactly what he wants and knows exactly how to tell you to get there.
And I think he nailed it with this. So.
Mariana Brown
00:54:29.197 - 00:54:30.145
Yeah, that drive.
Host
00:54:30.485 - 00:55:12.217
Yeah. I actually. I give Refin. You know, he is a top five director for me. I actually give him a lot of credit for. For almost curtailing.
Curtailing his sensibilities here.
I enjoy Only God Forgives, but I also hate that a lot of people are not going to like it, because I think he overindulges a little bit in some of his other films here. He's on the cusp, but he never lets himself overindulge to where he makes it inaccessible to me. And I still.
There's still going to be a group of people that don't want a movie like this. They. If they're going to watch a car movie, they're not going to want to watch one where it's a. It's the Impala, you know.
You know, and he's strategically parking under bridges and turning his lights off and going two miles an hour. And, you know, which, by the way, that beginning scene, I mean, it could.
Mariana Brown
00:55:12.241 - 00:55:17.417
Be a short film in itself. Literally, though, it's like, actually a short film. It's 20 minutes. It's amazing.
Host
00:55:17.481 - 00:55:22.025
And it hooked me in. Like, I knew I was in. I was like, that is that. There was so. And then the radio, like.
Seth
00:55:22.065 - 00:55:22.553
Oh, yeah.
Host
00:55:22.609 - 00:55:23.729
Like, why is he listening to the radio?
Mariana Brown
00:55:23.777 - 00:55:25.505
That stressed me out so much, though.
Host
00:55:25.585 - 00:55:27.721
Because he's going to the game. He's gonna park and walk away.
Seth
00:55:27.753 - 00:55:30.257
Yeah. It's just every little detail was so.
Mariana Brown
00:55:30.281 - 00:55:34.137
Well thought out in that scene, but it heightens the. The tension.
Seth
00:55:34.201 - 00:55:34.657
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:55:34.761 - 00:55:36.857
Because you're like, why the. I can't hear this Billy skin.
Seth
00:55:36.881 - 00:55:37.993
Why is he listening to baseball?
Mariana Brown
00:55:38.049 - 00:55:43.225
I know. Yeah, I know. And how did he get a spot right there, too? Yeah, that's what I really want to know.
Host
00:55:43.265 - 00:55:44.761
The Clippers are a basketball team. I'm just.
Seth
00:55:44.793 - 00:55:45.297
Oh, basketball.
Host
00:55:45.361 - 00:55:48.433
Sorry. I didn't want to be. I don't want to be a dick. Sorry. I just.
Seth
00:55:48.569 - 00:55:49.817
I'm not a sports guy.
Mariana Brown
00:55:49.921 - 00:55:52.297
Was it the Dodgers?
Host
00:55:52.401 - 00:55:53.297
It was the Clippers.
Mariana Brown
00:55:53.401 - 00:55:54.169
Oh, the Clippers.
Host
00:55:54.217 - 00:55:54.785
Clippers. Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:55:54.825 - 00:55:56.385
I thought it was a baseball game.
Seth
00:55:56.425 - 00:55:59.857
Yeah. Yeah, I thought so, too. He was wearing a baseball cap. That's why I thought it was a baseball game.
Host
00:55:59.881 - 00:56:02.525
You can't do a getaway during a baseball game.
Seth
00:56:03.225 - 00:56:04.457
No one's there.
Mariana Brown
00:56:04.601 - 00:56:06.001
That's kind of a good point, actually.
Host
00:56:06.033 - 00:56:07.725
Where the ninth ending no.
Mariana Brown
00:56:09.745 - 00:56:11.313
Nobody's happy at baseball.
Seth
00:56:11.409 - 00:56:12.665
No, I'm not.
Host
00:56:12.705 - 00:56:19.275
I'm not even happy talking about it. Gosh, now I feel like a jerk for correcting people. Sorry. I don't like to correct people about.
Mariana Brown
00:56:19.355 - 00:56:22.859
I didn't even notice you correcting him. I was just like, oh, we were wrong. He was wrong.
Host
00:56:22.907 - 00:56:23.299
Okay.
Seth
00:56:23.387 - 00:56:25.363
You were much nicer than the people on Instagram.
Host
00:56:25.419 - 00:56:28.907
I know, I know. That would have been a. That would have been a dead animal in the mail.
Seth
00:56:28.971 - 00:56:29.379
Yeah.
Host
00:56:29.467 - 00:56:38.867
Yeah. But yes. I'm just hearkening back. It's like, three weeks ago. Are you a sports guy? Like, not really. I was like, oh, my example's gonna die.
Seth
00:56:38.931 - 00:56:41.625
Yeah. I enjoy them. I just don't seek them out.
Host
00:56:41.715 - 00:56:52.413
Yeah. So in terms of direct. So I like that he quelled some of the sensibilities that he has. But I also think you said something really wonderful. Wonderful.
Earlier that you can tell when people are in.
Seth
00:56:52.469 - 00:56:52.725
Yeah.
Host
00:56:52.765 - 00:57:02.125
And, like, people were just in. And Refin. Although he's. He's visually not like Coppola, he shares the same mentality, which is.
Coppola was willing to lose his entire livelihood for Apocalypse Now.
Seth
00:57:02.165 - 00:57:02.525
Yeah.
Host
00:57:02.605 - 00:57:13.289
He was willing to sell the winery. He literally invested all the money he made from Godfather into Apocalypse Now. He was suicidal while he was making it.
Like, Refn has that same artistic tenacity.
Seth
00:57:13.337 - 00:57:13.609
Yeah.
Host
00:57:13.657 - 00:57:27.785
And it's. It's actually like, I wish I had this alter ego of, like, I'm super, like, rule follower, people pleaser.
But I really want to be a guy with tattoos on my face who screams at people to get my vision made. Like, I want to be that guy, but I can't. So, like, Refn is kind of like, I. It's. You said spirit animal.
Seth
00:57:27.825 - 00:57:28.169
Yeah.
Host
00:57:28.257 - 00:57:36.487
Kind of like those two directors share that sensibility, and I love that. So. And you can tell these people were super in. Like, you're not going to want to make a movie like this if you're not in.
Seth
00:57:36.561 - 00:57:37.035
Yeah.
Host
00:57:37.155 - 00:57:39.595
And you can see it. So I give them a huge, huge eye drive.
Seth
00:57:39.635 - 00:57:40.139
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:57:40.267 - 00:57:53.187
Not to mention I feel like they filmed a lot of this at, like, 1:00am oh, yeah. Like, on the streets. Some horrible hours on these call sheets. They were like call times 5pm that's when you get to work.
Seth
00:57:53.331 - 00:58:07.345
It's kind of like Helms Deep in Lord of the Rings. Like, there was an entire Helms Deep crew because it was nothing but night shoots.
And everyone said that you could tell who was on that night shoot because they were so pale and so dejected. Anytime you saw them walking during the day.
Host
00:58:07.505 - 00:58:07.937
Yeah.
Seth
00:58:08.001 - 00:58:08.337
Yeah.
Host
00:58:08.401 - 00:58:09.201
I can't imagine.
Mariana Brown
00:58:09.313 - 00:58:12.809
Daywalker. Yeah, that's one of them.
Seth
00:58:12.857 - 00:58:14.465
A bit of a day walker, myself.
Mariana Brown
00:58:14.585 - 00:58:15.325
I know.
Seth
00:58:15.865 - 00:58:17.817
What is that from Shane Gillis's special?
Mariana Brown
00:58:17.881 - 00:58:20.685
Oh, my God. I watched that yesterday. That's so funny.
Host
00:58:21.505 - 00:58:22.425
That's awesome.
Mariana Brown
00:58:22.545 - 00:58:24.125
I'm a bit of a day walker.
Host
00:58:27.145 - 00:58:29.513
All right, four to zero. We are still driving.
Seth
00:58:29.569 - 00:58:29.857
Hell, yeah.
Host
00:58:29.881 - 00:58:45.171
We are in overdrive at this point. Oh, I hate myself. What's in front of us? Cinematography, production design, sound and costumes. Yeah, the visual feast.
Seth
00:58:45.283 - 00:59:30.679
Huge drive for me. Everything like. Like we've all said, this is a very visual movie. It's. It's not about the dialogue. It's.
It's not even about the music as much as the music does help it. But it's. It's all about physically what you're seeing in front of you. You.
The tasteful use of slow motion in certain scenes where it needed to be used. But also just. Just the stunning, like. Like we said earlier, the stunning color grading and the fact that he is colorblind.
And so he's really just relying on a bunch of other people to make sure that what he's putting out is at least believable for this type of movie. It's not a sci fi movie, so you don't have a lot of out of nowhere kind of weird lighting, but he. He makes street lights feel ethereal in a way.
So 100. For me, it's all, I'll drive.
Host
00:59:30.767 - 00:59:31.983
Yeah, I love that.
Mariana Brown
00:59:32.079 - 00:59:48.063
I feel the same way. I drive on this one. There's just so much substance.
Yeah, there's so much substance in the movie because it wouldn't have worked if it was just beautiful. It wouldn't have worked if it just had good music or it just had good acting. Like, I've seen so many good portions of movies.
Seth
00:59:48.119 - 00:59:48.495
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
00:59:48.575 - 01:00:29.409
Or so many movies that have good parts. And I don't really like to criticize a lot of things because I know how hard it is to make something like that.
So I really try to just pick out the things I like in anything and then that's what I focus on. Yeah, but. But it just all worked together so well.
And honestly, something that was very confusing about Carey Mulligan's character to me was when she was wearing her Denny's costume. It was kind of threw me off because I couldn't tell if she was getting ready for a date or is, oh, that's the lawyer that came over to the apartment.
Like, what's going on? Yeah. And then, you know, when he. At the Very beginning after that long beginning scene. And then all of a sudden, he's wearing a cop uniform.
Seth
01:00:29.457 - 01:00:30.009
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:00:30.137 - 01:00:32.129
For like a minute, you're like, he's a cop.
Seth
01:00:32.177 - 01:00:33.049
Yeah, yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:00:33.177 - 01:00:39.881
And then all of a sudden, you're like, oh, my God, he's in the movies. And then it just keeps going up from there, and you're just like, this guy's a genius.
Seth
01:00:39.953 - 01:00:40.441
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:00:40.553 - 01:00:51.015
But it all just. It just works. And I don't even know if you can, like, predict that happening when you're plotting a movie out. I feel like a lot of it is luck.
Seth
01:00:51.095 - 01:00:51.679
Oh, 100%.
Mariana Brown
01:00:51.727 - 01:00:53.311
And I feel like a lot of it is editing.
Seth
01:00:53.463 - 01:01:48.605
Something Seth Rogen said as my spirit animal. I love the fact that he. That he said this because I forget. I think it might have been Dolittle. That. Because he was a script doctor on Dolittle.
He was uncredited, but tried to fix the script, and apparently it just was unfixable.
And the person he was talking to asked him if he was surprised that the movie turned out so badly, and he goes, no, I'm shocked when a movie comes out good because I know how many millions of pieces have to align for a movie to come out even decent. So, yeah, like, you're saying the fact that all of the elements work so well together because. Yeah, like I said, if we're just.
If we're just looking at the writing, it's all right. It's not bad, but it's all right.
But the fact that it works in tandem with the music, that works in tandem with the visuals, that works in tandem with the acting, and everything all just comes together to form such a beautiful thing. Yeah. It really is the luck of every single one of those pieces coming together so well.
Mariana Brown
01:01:49.185 - 01:02:08.049
I think I understand why a lot of my favorite directors keep things very, very simple. And like Alfred Hitchcock, it's just, like, simple storyline, simple sets, simple wardrobe, not a lot of dialogue, you know, and it's just.
It makes that much more powerful because you're like, well, yeah, this isn't just watching somebody sitting on the couch doing.
Seth
01:02:08.097 - 01:02:12.827
Drugs or something, you know, and every time you add an element, it just comes. Complicates things.
Host
01:02:12.971 - 01:02:22.387
Yeah. When you know what you want, it's really. It's awesome. Yeah, it's awesome. And I think. I think there's just so much strange synergy that happens here.
Like the fact that Cliff Martinez wasn't added till later, and.
Seth
01:02:22.411 - 01:02:22.947
Yeah.
Host
01:02:23.091 - 01:02:29.155
Like, he's so in tune with what this movie was about. Like, it's kind of weird to hear like, you know, like a composer that's like, I know what this is.
Seth
01:02:29.195 - 01:02:29.411
Yeah.
Host
01:02:29.443 - 01:02:36.731
Like, people that were financing the movie wanted to take their name off of it. He's like the Red Hot Chili Pepper second drummer. He is like, I know what this is.
Mariana Brown
01:02:36.803 - 01:02:37.131
Yeah.
Host
01:02:37.203 - 01:02:42.473
And you hear him talk about it in the special features about. He just like him and Ref in. They just knew what this movie was.
Seth
01:02:42.529 - 01:02:42.985
Yeah.
Host
01:02:43.105 - 01:02:50.865
And I love that this is an art house film. We'll call it a moderate art house film. But yet the jacket, the Scorpio jacket, was so permeated in culture.
Seth
01:02:50.945 - 01:02:51.393
Oh, yeah.
Host
01:02:51.449 - 01:02:57.041
All of a sudden, I'm hearing all kinds of music that, like. I feel like people were making playlists based on this soundtrack.
Seth
01:02:57.113 - 01:02:58.913
100. They're all over Spotify.
Host
01:02:59.009 - 01:03:03.809
Yes. And, like, neon. Yeah, Neon stuff. Like, I don't know why. I can't really describe it, but, like.
Seth
01:03:03.897 - 01:03:13.087
Well, this was definitely the first kind of. Not first, but one of the. The first neon noir of this new era that we've had. So. Yeah, I could totally see that.
Host
01:03:13.151 - 01:03:17.607
Yeah. You're seeing it. And it's just crazy. Like, this was a. This was a movie like, people were abandoning.
Seth
01:03:17.671 - 01:03:17.935
Yeah.
Host
01:03:17.975 - 01:03:29.287
And they're like. And now it's like a pop culture phenomenon.
And people probably haven't thought of Refn since because the other movies he made were not nearly as accessible, which I love, but I would expect no one else to love. You know, they're mine.
Mariana Brown
01:03:29.391 - 01:03:33.079
I know. I really liked the Neon Demon, but I don't think anybody else did.
Host
01:03:33.167 - 01:03:33.543
That's.
Mariana Brown
01:03:33.599 - 01:03:33.951
Yeah.
Host
01:03:34.023 - 01:03:34.375
That's not.
Mariana Brown
01:03:34.415 - 01:03:35.617
I think it might just be me.
Host
01:03:35.681 - 01:03:46.313
Yeah. Spoiler alert. When they start eating each other, when all of a sudden they're cannibalizing her. I haven't seen it, so it's crazy. It's. It's intense.
It's like, wow. Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:03:46.409 - 01:03:47.209
It's for me.
Host
01:03:47.297 - 01:03:48.513
It's my special.
Mariana Brown
01:03:48.569 - 01:03:49.241
It's not for you.
Host
01:03:49.313 - 01:03:50.793
It's my little Neon Demon.
Mariana Brown
01:03:50.889 - 01:03:54.833
My Neon Demon. I know. Sometimes I do like movies just because of that.
Host
01:03:54.929 - 01:03:58.845
Yeah. It's like, no one else will like it. I will. Damn it. I will. I can fix him.
Mariana Brown
01:03:59.985 - 01:04:04.433
That is totally. I can fix him. Energy. Energy. Yeah. Women. Get it.
Host
01:04:04.529 - 01:04:09.601
That's amazing. Cool. Oh, wow. We're at five. We got two categories left. Can we make it five to zero?
Seth
01:04:09.673 - 01:04:10.969
See if we can get the queen sweep.
Host
01:04:11.017 - 01:04:14.325
Queen sweep here. How good are those bad guys? Huh?
Mariana Brown
01:04:15.865 - 01:04:16.961
They're great. Yeah.
Seth
01:04:16.993 - 01:04:17.649
You go first.
Mariana Brown
01:04:17.737 - 01:04:42.635
Okay. I love a bad guy. Big fan of the Mob as the bad guys. It's very easy to pin it on them. I don't know. I mean, they're all kind of bad guys.
Guys at the end of the day, you know, like everyone in the movie is kind of a bad guy. That's kind of what I like about it is it's. That's what makes it real. It's like the kid, the child is not a bad guy. You're right.
And Carey Mulligan's character is not a bad guy either.
Seth
01:04:42.755 - 01:04:47.075
I feel like she's almost a bad guy by association though, because she knows who her husband is.
Mariana Brown
01:04:47.195 - 01:04:56.771
But at the same time, you're already kind of like roped into it. She. She probably didn't know that before. Maybe. Well, I guess there's no way for us to know. And that's kind of what I like.
They leave a lot of questions.
Seth
01:04:56.803 - 01:04:57.329
They do.
Mariana Brown
01:04:57.447 - 01:04:59.709
They have no idea. Like, why did they get together?
Seth
01:04:59.797 - 01:05:00.181
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:05:00.253 - 01:05:06.293
What happened to Oscar Isaac? Like, first you want to hate Oscar Isaac and then you're like, wait a minute, there's more to this story.
Seth
01:05:06.349 - 01:05:06.773
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:05:06.869 - 01:05:12.701
This guy isn't just some guy that got locked up for no reason. And yeah, you know, he did also.
Seth
01:05:12.733 - 01:05:14.373
Have sex with a 17 year old.
Mariana Brown
01:05:14.509 - 01:05:15.165
Oh, yeah.
Seth
01:05:15.245 - 01:05:16.509
She was 17 when they met.
Host
01:05:16.557 - 01:05:19.021
I forgot about that. Oh, you gotta just snake that in. They do.
Mariana Brown
01:05:19.053 - 01:05:19.677
Yeah, they do.
Seth
01:05:19.741 - 01:05:24.669
Yeah. Because then he's like. And then a year later you popped out. I'm like, oh, okay.
Mariana Brown
01:05:24.797 - 01:05:27.037
That is a good point. They do give us more to that story.
Seth
01:05:27.101 - 01:05:47.117
But still just a little. Just enough that you're not questioning it, but you still have those questions of like, there's so much more there. Why did he get arrested? What he.
What did he do? Why is she still with him despite all of this? Like. No, I agree with you. There's a lot of questions, but they're good questions.
They're not confusing questions that. That ruin the movie because I'm still asking these things.
Host
01:05:47.181 - 01:05:47.589
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:05:47.677 - 01:05:53.881
But also, like, why does he help them? You know, why does he. He loves this woman, but at the same time, it's like it's just.
Host
01:05:54.033 - 01:05:54.505
Have her.
Mariana Brown
01:05:54.545 - 01:06:02.465
Yeah, yeah, exactly. It's like it's just your neighbor and at the end of the day, like, you're helping out her husband so that she's okay.
Host
01:06:02.585 - 01:06:04.825
And he was a major dick to him when they first met.
Mariana Brown
01:06:04.905 - 01:06:06.113
Oh, yeah. Oh, man.
Seth
01:06:06.209 - 01:06:06.681
My.
Mariana Brown
01:06:06.793 - 01:06:08.529
I would have been too. Oh, yeah.
Seth
01:06:08.657 - 01:06:56.373
My assumption is he, while falling in love with her, also realized how fucked up of a situation the kid was in and everything. He did be it.
You know, Even though a lot of it was for her was also for him because like my little headcanon that I like to have is that he had a troubled childhood. That's why he's a loner. That's why he's in one of the most dangerous industries you can be in on top of being a getaway driver.
So it's like to me, he probably because, you know, they're in the elevator and the kid's just having a stare down with him and it's hilarious.
But like, I feel like he has such a internal connection with the kid on top of falling in love with the mother that I think the majority of the reason he did these things was to make sure the kid ended up with some sort of. Sort of stability. Yeah.
Host
01:06:56.389 - 01:06:58.133
Kind of a man child archetype.
Seth
01:06:58.189 - 01:07:01.997
Yeah, exactly. So, yeah, that's. That's where I think that is.
Host
01:07:02.181 - 01:07:03.053
That makes total sense.
Seth
01:07:03.109 - 01:07:14.813
As far as the bad guys are concerned. I love Albert Brooks and I love Ron Perlman. All the other, like, henchmen dudes were just overacted in so many ways.
Host
01:07:14.869 - 01:07:15.301
Yeah.
Seth
01:07:15.413 - 01:07:32.245
Which again, kind of worked for the ethereal, not quite absurdity, but ethereal nature of the film. So I am going to give it a very, very squeaked overdrive. But like at a 5.1 versus like overwhelming drive. Yeah.
Host
01:07:32.285 - 01:07:33.901
Well, you just made up your own number scale.
Seth
01:07:33.973 - 01:07:34.493
I did.
Host
01:07:34.589 - 01:07:36.597
5.1 out of what, like 74?
Seth
01:07:36.661 - 01:07:36.949
Yeah.
Host
01:07:36.997 - 01:07:45.719
A 5.1 out of 74 squeaked over. No, I get it. I get that. You're right. Like anytime, like a guy's in a wife beater as a henchman.
Seth
01:07:45.767 - 01:07:45.991
Yeah.
Host
01:07:46.023 - 01:07:51.151
You know, they got like a whole closet on every set in la. Just the, the wife beaters for the henchmen.
Seth
01:07:51.223 - 01:07:51.599
Exactly.
Host
01:07:51.647 - 01:07:56.591
Oh, we got a, we got a guy with an accent, he's a henchman, but he doesn't have a wife beater on. This movie's going nowhere.
Seth
01:07:56.663 - 01:08:03.007
Yeah. And he's just like a stereotypical like sleaze bag, strip club like manager. Like. Okay.
Host
01:08:03.071 - 01:08:04.911
Yeah, yeah, it was a little bit of a cut out.
Seth
01:08:04.943 - 01:08:05.391
Yeah.
Host
01:08:05.503 - 01:08:06.453
What do you think?
Mariana Brown
01:08:06.639 - 01:08:09.041
I agree. I. I love Ron Perlman.
Seth
01:08:09.113 - 01:08:09.441
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:08:09.513 - 01:08:14.977
I'm kind of obsessed with Ron Perlman. Actually. I will watch anything. I've watched Sons of Anarchy like six times.
Host
01:08:15.041 - 01:08:19.001
Because I need to watch that. I haven't seen the first three episodes five times.
Mariana Brown
01:08:19.113 - 01:08:19.905
Oh, wow.
Host
01:08:19.985 - 01:08:20.617
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:08:20.761 - 01:08:22.585
You're ready to what? You're ready for the rest?
Host
01:08:22.625 - 01:08:24.809
Maybe I'll make it to the fourth and watch it nine times.
Mariana Brown
01:08:24.937 - 01:08:41.022
Yeah, no, I really highly recommend continuing down that path. It's not like good. It's just fun. But. Yeah. I just. I don't know. I like the bad guys. I. I feel like.
I wish that there was a little bit more plot and, like, development.
Seth
01:08:41.118 - 01:08:41.702
Yeah.
Host
01:08:41.838 - 01:08:42.294
I'm sorry.
Mariana Brown
01:08:42.334 - 01:08:44.994
These are coming off my head. I have a tiny head.
Host
01:08:45.694 - 01:08:46.654
It's curls.
Mariana Brown
01:08:46.734 - 01:08:49.462
Tiny head. I know. I'm trying to keep my curls alive.
Host
01:08:49.518 - 01:08:50.598
They just keep expanding.
Mariana Brown
01:08:50.686 - 01:08:51.126
I know.
Host
01:08:51.190 - 01:08:51.534
Good.
Mariana Brown
01:08:51.614 - 01:08:53.918
I just want them to be a full circle by the end of this.
Seth
01:08:53.966 - 01:08:54.754
There we go.
Mariana Brown
01:08:55.614 - 01:08:56.358
Yeah. Man.
Host
01:08:56.406 - 01:08:56.638
I.
Mariana Brown
01:08:56.686 - 01:09:01.971
There's nobody better than Ron Perlman as a bad guy. I mean, he's even the bad guy in Pacific Ring. Him so good.
Seth
01:09:02.043 - 01:09:02.475
I love that.
Mariana Brown
01:09:02.515 - 01:09:09.935
So good in that. I know. He's so good in everything, and. I don't know. I saw a cat the other day look just like Ron Perlman.
Host
01:09:10.395 - 01:09:12.963
Big jaw. Huh. He's a huge cat.
Mariana Brown
01:09:13.139 - 01:09:14.651
Looks like a mountain lion.
Seth
01:09:14.723 - 01:09:15.283
I love it.
Mariana Brown
01:09:15.339 - 01:09:18.483
Yeah. But, yeah, he. He is all bottom jaw, that guy.
Seth
01:09:18.539 - 01:09:18.899
Y.
Mariana Brown
01:09:18.987 - 01:09:22.235
His face is like that. It goes that way.
Host
01:09:22.275 - 01:09:22.891
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:09:23.043 - 01:09:23.995
What was the question?
Host
01:09:24.115 - 01:09:25.575
How about those bad guys?
Seth
01:09:26.995 - 01:09:28.833
Driver or fork in the eye?
Mariana Brown
01:09:28.939 - 01:09:34.477
Oh, drive. I think they're great. Yeah, but they're kind of like clunky people.
Host
01:09:34.581 - 01:09:34.885
Yeah.
Seth
01:09:34.925 - 01:09:45.797
That's where I'm like, it just squeaks over for me. Like, it's definitely. It definitely works.
But again, if you were focused on that, by itself wasn't the greatest, but in the conglomerate of this entire movie, it worked.
Host
01:09:45.861 - 01:09:46.261
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:09:46.333 - 01:09:50.789
Why did they have to kill him? Why did they have to kill them at the end? Why can't they just let them go?
Seth
01:09:50.877 - 01:09:51.825
Spoiler alert.
Mariana Brown
01:09:53.005 - 01:09:54.581
There was a lot of spoilers.
Host
01:09:54.653 - 01:09:56.997
So it was 2011.
Mariana Brown
01:09:57.061 - 01:09:58.831
Yeah, that was a while ago, too.
Host
01:09:58.943 - 01:10:00.103
Yeah. Go watch it.
Seth
01:10:00.199 - 01:10:02.759
I mean, it's the tragic hero's ending.
Mariana Brown
01:10:02.847 - 01:10:04.063
Like, I know why they have to.
Host
01:10:04.079 - 01:10:04.815
Kill who at the end.
Seth
01:10:04.855 - 01:10:05.607
Ryan Gosling.
Host
01:10:05.711 - 01:10:06.711
He doesn't die.
Mariana Brown
01:10:06.863 - 01:10:12.559
Yeah, but they. But they were going after him to kill him. He kills Albert Brooks. Well, spoilers. Now.
Seth
01:10:12.647 - 01:10:18.679
I thought. I thought that the ending was him with having, like, his stomach opened up and he's just, like, dying.
Mariana Brown
01:10:18.767 - 01:10:19.495
He blames.
Host
01:10:19.615 - 01:10:23.063
Yeah. But then he drives out. He's driving out of the woods. He's escaping. He's leaving town.
Seth
01:10:23.119 - 01:10:24.101
Oh, I'm. Must have missed that.
Mariana Brown
01:10:24.133 - 01:10:25.245
I think he made it.
Seth
01:10:25.285 - 01:10:26.485
I was in bed when I watched this.
Host
01:10:26.525 - 01:10:37.445
Sorry. I. I mean, maybe. Maybe you're right. But I. I think. I think, personally, the widest interpretation is that he survives. Then that's a gnarly wound.
And there's a second book. I mean, not that. Not that ref car. So he's never making His.
Mariana Brown
01:10:37.485 - 01:10:38.477
Benio's book.
Host
01:10:38.541 - 01:10:50.797
Yeah, Benio. Yeah. Yeah. He actually chases him, actually. He was. He actually is the leader. He's the guy that's pinching the cheeks. He's like, he's the leader.
He's not actually a child. He's. He's a little person.
Seth
01:10:50.861 - 01:10:55.355
Yeah. Spoiler alert. It's actually Peter Dinklage.
Mariana Brown
01:10:56.935 - 01:10:58.239
He takes off the mask.
Host
01:10:58.287 - 01:10:58.915
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:11:03.175 - 01:11:03.815
Yeah.
Host
01:11:03.935 - 01:11:05.199
So are you driving on this one?
Mariana Brown
01:11:05.247 - 01:11:05.887
Yeah, drive.
Host
01:11:05.951 - 01:11:10.671
Cool. Cool. I. I dig it too. And I actually like what you said. It's always funny with henchmen, isn't it?
Seth
01:11:10.703 - 01:11:10.967
Yeah.
Host
01:11:11.031 - 01:11:37.117
We should write a whole book just called it's always funny with Henchmen. We should write a book about henchmen. The people that get beat up in the bar, playing pool in the background, you know, like the random bar fly.
Like, there's all these like ancillary characters that are almost in. And it's so funny for ref to just kind of like, we need henchmen, you know, and. But I do.
There's enough here for me to give it idrive because I love you said clunky. They're clunky by design. Yeah. These are low level guys.
Seth
01:11:37.181 - 01:11:37.613
Yeah.
Host
01:11:37.709 - 01:12:03.871
One of them's not even Italian. And like, they're, They're. They themselves feel like they have stuff to prove because they're out of their own element. And.
And like, like, although I agree on the strip club guy, at the same time, like, that is kind of like there's this leeching that happens around criminal activity. You have the organization, but then you have the people that leech off of it and they're like the small time criminals. Like, it festers in that way.
And like Blanche, like, I like Blanche because she's completely incompetent. Like.
Seth
01:12:03.943 - 01:12:04.239
Yeah.
Host
01:12:04.287 - 01:12:26.439
Why is she in this world? Like, I just want a coke, you know? And she's just so, like, she's just. She just doesn't feel like she's supposed to be there. And like he's.
Whatever his name is, is yelling at her. You know, Christina Hinton Hendrix's character. There's just. I.
I do think there is a little bit of a natural feel to that, but I do agree that it's like just funny when you have like the cutouts with the wife beaters and wife beaters and leather jackets, man, what are you gonna do? But I.
Seth
01:12:26.487 - 01:12:28.315
Give me some Canadian tuxedos.
Host
01:12:28.615 - 01:12:29.063
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:12:29.119 - 01:12:31.359
That was a great Canadian tuxedo, by the way.
Host
01:12:31.407 - 01:12:31.639
Yes.
Mariana Brown
01:12:31.687 - 01:12:40.725
And I will say this inspired how men have dressed 100 for 10 to 15 years. Honestly, Ryan Gosling. And it's a good interpretation. You should listen.
Host
01:12:40.845 - 01:12:43.453
Yeah, yeah. This and there will be blood.
Seth
01:12:43.629 - 01:12:44.077
Huh?
Host
01:12:44.141 - 01:12:46.357
This and there will be blood. I saw. I saw a lot of.
Mariana Brown
01:12:46.421 - 01:12:48.893
That's a good observation for East Nashville.
Host
01:12:48.949 - 01:12:52.985
It was weird. I was like, I go to a coffee shop in East Nashville. Like, that guy struck oil.
Seth
01:12:55.125 - 01:12:59.029
I drink your latte struck oil and does porn with that mustache.
Host
01:12:59.077 - 01:12:59.573
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:12:59.709 - 01:13:01.685
That's what Brooklyn was like that too.
Seth
01:13:01.765 - 01:13:02.701
Yeah. I can imagine.
Host
01:13:02.773 - 01:13:03.425
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:13:04.045 - 01:13:05.277
Going to work at the farm.
Host
01:13:05.341 - 01:13:07.557
I can imagine. Yeah.
Seth
01:13:07.581 - 01:13:08.589
You're six zero.
Host
01:13:08.637 - 01:13:13.221
You pull a lot of radishes out there in Brooklyn. Yeah, yeah. Six zero.
Seth
01:13:13.333 - 01:13:14.765
From my rooftop farm.
Host
01:13:14.845 - 01:13:24.133
Yes. Yes. Yeah, we're at six zero. And I was trying to think of ahead. I'm meandering.
I don't need to finish any points about how good are those bad guys, huh? Albert Brooks, though.
Seth
01:13:24.189 - 01:13:24.517
Yeah.
Host
01:13:24.581 - 01:13:26.965
Not being typecast here, playing outside of his archetype.
Seth
01:13:27.005 - 01:13:27.301
Yeah.
Host
01:13:27.373 - 01:13:30.005
Low level comedian, typically under acts in his roles.
Seth
01:13:30.085 - 01:13:31.445
Very terrifying villain.
Host
01:13:31.525 - 01:13:36.237
Terrifying because you. You are left wondering what he's capable of because he's underselling everything.
Seth
01:13:36.301 - 01:13:36.833
Oh, yeah, yeah.
Host
01:13:36.889 - 01:13:41.353
But then he tells the story about how Shannon's hip got broken. You're like, yeah. Oh, Even.
Seth
01:13:41.409 - 01:13:47.897
Even when he kills Shannon, I love the fact that you can tell he doesn't want to, but still does it because he has to.
Host
01:13:48.001 - 01:13:50.289
I wanted my name on the car. Yeah.
Seth
01:13:50.457 - 01:14:00.113
That was such a good monologue. See, that's what I'm saying.
Like those moments, there's like four or five of them through the whole movie where it's just like, this is some inspired writing and then the rest of it's just kind of there.
Host
01:14:00.209 - 01:14:10.259
Yeah. And Cranston's kind of a fleabag. He's kind of just like. He leeches on and he.
And he tries to get away with screwing people over, and then he gets killed and he gets hurt. Like, he's just really bad at this.
Seth
01:14:10.307 - 01:14:10.675
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:14:10.755 - 01:14:13.371
So he always plays the same guy. Honestly.
Host
01:14:13.443 - 01:14:13.907
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:14:14.011 - 01:14:17.507
Brian Cranston. I don't know what Malcolm in the Middle is like. Is he like a fleabag?
Host
01:14:17.611 - 01:14:19.171
No, he's hilarious. Drug dealer.
Seth
01:14:19.243 - 01:14:21.883
He's a very derpy dad, and it's amazing.
Host
01:14:21.979 - 01:14:23.347
Typical dumb white dad.
Seth
01:14:23.411 - 01:14:25.275
Yeah. It's on Hulu. You should definitely watch.
Host
01:14:25.315 - 01:14:25.859
Very funny.
Mariana Brown
01:14:25.907 - 01:14:27.987
Yeah, I won't watch it, but yeah.
Seth
01:14:28.131 - 01:14:31.443
If you just watch the pilot, you'll get his whole character from the show.
Mariana Brown
01:14:31.499 - 01:14:32.195
I can watch one.
Host
01:14:32.275 - 01:14:34.147
Watch the first three episodes seven times.
Seth
01:14:34.211 - 01:14:34.855
Yeah.
Host
01:14:35.355 - 01:14:36.843
And then see how it goes.
Seth
01:14:37.019 - 01:14:41.903
They're 20 minutes each, so it's way easier. Easier than watch them 12 times, you.
Host
01:14:41.919 - 01:14:57.087
Know, while the popcorn's popping. All right, six to O. Vehicular manslaughter. I, I pull this category out for every car, any, anything that has to do with cars, so.
But we got a different interpretation of the car genre here.
Seth
01:14:57.111 - 01:14:57.431
Yeah.
Host
01:14:57.503 - 01:14:58.439
What do we think?
Seth
01:14:58.607 - 01:15:01.511
I mean, are we just talking the cars in general? Like what.
Host
01:15:01.583 - 01:15:08.263
Yeah, the, the chase scenes, the use of cars, what cars are in it? I mean. Yeah, yeah. Anything has to do with if it has a motor. You can judge budget.
Seth
01:15:08.359 - 01:16:02.647
So I love the fact that his daily driver is a classic car. And. But, but when he is doing the crimes, he's purposefully looking for the least despicable car. Like, I love that. It's, it's so.
Because that was something I never thought of until I saw this movie for the first time was when he gets in the Impala, he's just like, oh yeah, the, the most popular car of the year in la. And I was like, like, oh, right. Yeah, he's trying.
Cuz most of these movies, they're, they're doing the heist with the fancy car and it's like the police would be able to spot that in a second. The fact that they could spot a silver Impala from a helicopter in that opening scene is just like crazy that they're like, oh, no, that's the one.
Like, that's definitely the one. I don't know. I, Yeah, I, I think the fact that his daily driver is anything other than a regular car and all the other cars, I think it's great.
So I'll give it a drive.
Mariana Brown
01:16:02.791 - 01:16:11.303
Yeah, I love that it's the Impala. I love the beginning scene because of that. I love that they explain why he's driving the Impala.
Seth
01:16:11.359 - 01:16:11.783
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:16:11.879 - 01:16:15.239
But I also love that the other bad guy car is a Bentley.
Seth
01:16:15.327 - 01:16:15.663
Yeah.
Host
01:16:15.719 - 01:16:15.935
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:16:15.975 - 01:16:19.151
I mean, that's kind of fun to watch that car chase scene too.
Seth
01:16:19.263 - 01:16:21.215
Wait, no, no, no. You mean the Chrysler 300?
Mariana Brown
01:16:21.335 - 01:16:26.335
No, it's not a Bentley. No, it, no, sorry, it's not a Bentley. I thought it was a Rolls Royce.
Host
01:16:26.495 - 01:16:28.425
It's a Ford Raptor. I'm sorry.
Seth
01:16:30.405 - 01:16:37.965
In that car chase scene after he drives in reverse. So yeah, that's, that's a hundred % a Chrysler 300 when Oscar Isaac dies. Huh?
Host
01:16:38.005 - 01:16:38.757
I don't know cars.
Seth
01:16:38.821 - 01:16:52.573
No, It's a Chrysler 300 because I, I drove three Chrysler minivans, so I know what the Chrysler logo looks like. And honestly, I've been wanting to get a Chrysler 300 at some point. They don't make them anymore.
But the reason they're so popular is because they look like Bentleys.
Mariana Brown
01:16:52.709 - 01:16:54.525
Sorry. It looks like a Rolls Royce.
Seth
01:16:54.675 - 01:16:57.817
Either way, they look like a fancier car than they are.
Mariana Brown
01:16:58.001 - 01:17:01.265
It's the car that she drives in Hacks. Did y'all watch Hacks?
Seth
01:17:01.305 - 01:17:01.937
I did not.
Mariana Brown
01:17:02.041 - 01:17:02.385
Okay.
Seth
01:17:02.425 - 01:17:16.641
It's everyone I've talked to who wants a Chrysler 300 wants it because it looks like a Bentley or a Rolls Royce or a fancier car. But I recognize the Chrysler logo on it. And I was like, oh, that makes sense. You. They could afford to rent that one and possibly wreck it.
Host
01:17:16.753 - 01:17:23.113
Can we just talk about how I. You have zero kids, but you've had almost as. You've had almost as many minivans as. I have kids. Kids.
Seth
01:17:23.169 - 01:17:29.345
But remember, I worked on film for years and I could put an entire film set in the back of a minivan. It's a truck with a roof.
Host
01:17:29.505 - 01:17:30.121
That's true.
Mariana Brown
01:17:30.193 - 01:17:32.697
Minivans do drive really well. And they're low to the ground.
Host
01:17:32.761 - 01:17:33.433
I love mine.
Seth
01:17:33.489 - 01:17:34.073
So nice.
Host
01:17:34.169 - 01:17:40.961
I have more room in it. I have a Camry. I'm 63 and I drive a Camry. It's a lot of knee pain. So you drive?
Mariana Brown
01:17:41.153 - 01:17:42.201
I drive.
Host
01:17:42.393 - 01:17:44.361
You like and you like the Chrysler 300?
Mariana Brown
01:17:44.473 - 01:17:48.441
I like it. I mean, I thought it was a fancier car. It looks real heavy.
Seth
01:17:48.513 - 01:17:51.299
That's the point. They look that way. And that's. There's such a beautiful.
Mariana Brown
01:17:51.347 - 01:18:01.375
Oh, there's. But then he's.
He's being chased in a Mustang, which I think is kind of cool because I hate Mustangs because I from Alabama, and everyone driving a Mustang's driving it wrong.
Seth
01:18:01.675 - 01:18:08.923
And it's. It's even like a very inconspicuous Mustang. It's not even like a cool one. Like, he purposefully is using a shitty looking Mustang.
Mariana Brown
01:18:09.019 - 01:18:09.443
Exactly.
Seth
01:18:09.499 - 01:18:11.495
Because they're just trying to commit a crime.
Mariana Brown
01:18:11.795 - 01:18:24.023
Oh. We'll also note, love all the old classic cars in the garage. Big fan of that. Even though they're very sparsely shown.
I just think I like that they did incorporate other cars in the movie.
Seth
01:18:24.119 - 01:18:26.503
I love that moment where he's like, sell him that car.
Mariana Brown
01:18:26.639 - 01:18:35.487
I know, I know. I'm like, God, sell me that car. Yeah, those cars are awesome. But yeah, I just. I don't know. I mean, I wouldn't have picked any of these cars to buy.
Seth
01:18:35.591 - 01:18:35.895
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:18:35.935 - 01:18:41.639
You know, they're not my type of car. But I do. I really like an old muscle. The old classic. I drive.
Host
01:18:41.727 - 01:18:44.165
If I ever got rich, the first thing I would do is never drive Again. Again.
Seth
01:18:44.205 - 01:18:44.785
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:18:45.805 - 01:18:47.625
Oh, my God. I get a helicopter.
Host
01:18:47.965 - 01:18:50.317
I'm so done. So done being on the ground.
Mariana Brown
01:18:50.421 - 01:18:52.101
I'm so done with this.
Seth
01:18:52.213 - 01:18:52.813
Kobe.
Host
01:18:52.949 - 01:18:58.349
Awesome people are up there. The shitty people are down here. Anyone that's doing anything with their life, they're up there.
Mariana Brown
01:18:58.437 - 01:18:58.853
I know.
Host
01:18:58.909 - 01:19:00.365
What the am I doing down here?
Seth
01:19:00.405 - 01:19:03.797
Sometimes they're back down here really fast and dead.
Mariana Brown
01:19:03.941 - 01:19:07.653
Yeah. Sorry for a zombie apocalypse. Got to get out of there quick.
Host
01:19:07.749 - 01:19:20.819
Yeah, yeah. I go. I drive, too. I. I like how it's the. Again, going back to the beginning scene. The.
The vehicle is used as a way to show us the meticulous nature of him.
Seth
01:19:20.867 - 01:19:21.211
Yeah.
Host
01:19:21.283 - 01:19:35.839
Like, he gives a very short speech, which I think is fantastic. I love is like 5.5minutes on either side or whatever. I'm yours. I love that speech because that's his moral code. But I was putting myself in the.
The seats of those thieves that robbed the warehouse. Like, what are they thinking?
Seth
01:19:35.907 - 01:19:36.231
Yeah.
Host
01:19:36.303 - 01:19:41.863
Because, like, they think this is a getaway guy. So they're probably thinking in their mind, like, we're going to just drive really fast away.
Seth
01:19:41.919 - 01:19:42.271
Yeah.
Host
01:19:42.343 - 01:19:55.823
But half the time he's sitting there not moving, and he's, like, doing little things. And I'm also thinking about all those people, those poor people that showed up to this movie thinking it was Grand Theft Auto or gone in 60 seconds.
They're just like, he's just sitting under the overpass.
Seth
01:19:55.879 - 01:19:56.095
Yeah.
Host
01:19:56.135 - 01:20:06.537
He doesn't have his head. It's an Impala. He's not even moving. And then he goes really fast for four seconds.
But I'm thinking, like, these guys are probably thinking, like, we're going to get caught.
Seth
01:20:06.631 - 01:20:07.005
Yeah.
Host
01:20:07.085 - 01:20:09.893
Like, there's no way. And it turns out he's just so precise.
Seth
01:20:09.989 - 01:20:10.349
Yeah.
Host
01:20:10.397 - 01:20:13.909
And like, this is how. Actually, this is very realistic. Like, how you should get away.
Seth
01:20:13.957 - 01:20:14.877
That's the thing, is it's.
Host
01:20:14.901 - 01:20:15.101
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:20:15.133 - 01:20:15.413
Yeah.
Seth
01:20:15.469 - 01:20:26.413
That opening scene is probably the most realistic car chase that I've ever seen on film. Especially once you realize that he's trying to time the full escape to the end of the basketball game.
Host
01:20:26.509 - 01:20:26.853
Yeah.
Seth
01:20:26.909 - 01:20:29.789
Like, no, I just think all of it's very, very well put together.
Mariana Brown
01:20:29.877 - 01:20:35.501
Genius. I almost want to know if he, like, interviews thieves to be like, what's the best way?
Seth
01:20:35.573 - 01:20:36.981
Almost definitely. I would.
Mariana Brown
01:20:37.053 - 01:20:37.485
I would.
Seth
01:20:37.565 - 01:20:48.085
I would put money on the fact that there were some. Because with most of these movies, heist movies, driving movies like this, they're going to have consultants who used to be.
Who are like, reformed criminals.
Host
01:20:48.125 - 01:20:48.533
Yeah.
Seth
01:20:48.629 - 01:20:50.405
So, yeah, that's very common in Hollywood.
Mariana Brown
01:20:50.485 - 01:20:54.349
And in the Subtleties in the actual stealing of the money from the pawn shop.
Seth
01:20:54.397 - 01:20:54.693
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:20:54.749 - 01:21:00.483
That's such a weird, subtle thing that they just stole someone else's money that was stashed at a pawn shop.
Seth
01:21:00.549 - 01:21:00.895
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:21:00.975 - 01:21:04.047
I just. I can't get over that. I'm like, that's a genius plot.
Seth
01:21:04.111 - 01:21:04.383
Yeah.
Host
01:21:04.439 - 01:21:25.191
Yeah. And I think. I think to. To close it out, I think. I love that Refn used the.
The car element, and he kind of used the car genre as a way to deliver a much more complex story. It was the vehicle by which we were like, oh, this is not a car story at all. Vehicle vehicular manslaughter, ladies and gentlemen. Yeah. Seven to zero.
Clean sweep.
Seth
01:21:25.223 - 01:21:26.055
Clean sweep. Yeah.
Host
01:21:26.095 - 01:21:28.805
What was our last clean sweep? Was it. We had a couple.
Seth
01:21:28.885 - 01:21:29.997
It was the first crow movie.
Host
01:21:30.061 - 01:21:36.085
Yes. Yes. And then the last crow movie was a. Was a clean queen. You jump into the river and.
Mariana Brown
01:21:36.125 - 01:21:40.557
Hey, everybody has bad art. They make. Yeah, everybody has bad art.
Host
01:21:40.621 - 01:21:41.085
They do.
Mariana Brown
01:21:41.165 - 01:21:45.221
Anybody who makes art, if you make all good art, you probably are hiding all the bad art.
Seth
01:21:45.253 - 01:21:45.437
Yeah.
Mariana Brown
01:21:45.461 - 01:21:45.845
Yep.
Host
01:21:45.925 - 01:21:53.673
Yep. Well, this was awesome. We were so stoked to have you. You're gonna hit. Hit up following down with us, but this is fantastic. Thank you for joining us.
Yes. Did you enjoy yourself?
Mariana Brown
01:21:53.729 - 01:21:56.485
Oh, my God. This is all I want to do. This is my favorite thing to do.
Seth
01:21:56.785 - 01:21:58.273
Yeah, we'll get ready to do it again.
Host
01:21:58.329 - 01:22:06.593
Yeah, we love y'all. Y'all stay driven out there. I praying for that microphone. Prayers up to God. Love, y'all. I'm Kyle.
Seth
01:22:06.649 - 01:22:07.241
I'm Seth.
Mariana Brown
01:22:07.313 - 01:22:08.525
I'm Ariana.
Host
01:22:11.225 - 01:22:12.145
Movie horrors.