Judge Dredd (1995)
Speaker A
00:00:00.160 - 00:00:17.176
Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. I'm Kyle.
Speaker B
00:00:17.288 - 00:00:17.992
I'm Seth.
Speaker A
00:00:18.056 - 00:00:19.400
And we got. Go ahead.
Speaker B
00:00:19.520 - 00:00:20.248
I'm Josh.
Speaker A
00:00:20.344 - 00:00:22.424
Josh Lewis, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker C
00:00:22.552 - 00:00:23.464
I'm Josh.
Speaker A
00:00:23.592 - 00:00:28.196
I'm Josh. One of the most. I'm trying to describe you, man.
Speaker B
00:00:28.268 - 00:00:29.764
Like, you stand with an enigma.
Speaker A
00:00:29.812 - 00:00:39.840
He's. He's the longest. One of the longest standing. That's funny.
One of the longest standing Nashville comedians, and you were here when I started, like, 12 years ago.
Speaker C
00:00:40.620 - 00:00:46.516
I am a testament why you should move from Nashville. If you want success, get out.
Speaker A
00:00:46.588 - 00:00:47.172
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:00:47.316 - 00:00:52.904
He put me on my first open mic. Really? Yeah. Very first open mic I ever did was at the East Room, and I was dead. Dead last.
Speaker A
00:00:52.992 - 00:00:53.592
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:00:53.736 - 00:00:54.248
Good times.
Speaker C
00:00:54.304 - 00:00:55.176
How was it?
Speaker B
00:00:55.328 - 00:01:06.312
I got, like, two chuckles, maybe three, and, like, one actual laugh. And then I told you afterwards, I was like, hey, thanks. This is my first time ever. And you were like, oh, you should have told everyone.
You would have killed. That was great.
Speaker C
00:01:06.416 - 00:01:13.272
Yeah, that's what you should always do. You should always milk that. Oh, it's my first time for, like, four open mics.
Speaker B
00:01:13.336 - 00:01:13.768
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:01:13.864 - 00:01:14.408
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:01:14.504 - 00:01:30.590
I never did either. And I saw other people do it, and people instantly loved them. And I was like, I have made a horrible mistake coming up here. Oh, I'm a pro.
And you just. Real bad. Then you have to be like, I'm not really a pro. And everybody's like, yeah, we know.
Speaker B
00:01:33.290 - 00:01:34.338
What good time, though.
Speaker A
00:01:34.394 - 00:01:47.058
I think one of the things that most people would say about you is, like, when you're first starting comedy Nashville, you're one of the kindest, most welcoming people. I always remember, like, first meeting, and you're just like, hey, what's up? You know? And that's not the case if you don't do stand up.
That's not all comedians, so thank you for that.
Speaker C
00:01:47.114 - 00:01:55.538
Hey, no problem, man. Whenever you get washed to the bottom, only thing you could do is just be like, hey, guys, just keep trying. Yeah, that's all you gotta do.
Speaker B
00:01:55.594 - 00:01:56.482
One of you might make it.
Speaker C
00:01:56.506 - 00:02:01.746
What do y'all. Might make it. Remember me or forgive. I don't care. Either way, I'm stuck.
Speaker A
00:02:01.858 - 00:02:07.490
Well. Well, it sounds like Seth reached out to you about Judge Dread and Dread, and you were in.
Speaker C
00:02:07.610 - 00:02:19.052
Totally in. Totally in. I watched these movies. I probably watched the first one. I'm old enough that the first one. I remember watching it on illegal cable.
Speaker A
00:02:19.116 - 00:02:20.236
Which I grew up with.
Speaker B
00:02:20.308 - 00:02:20.844
Nice.
Speaker C
00:02:20.972 - 00:02:24.560
And watching it and just being like, yeah, okay.
Speaker A
00:02:25.220 - 00:02:25.596
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:02:25.628 - 00:02:27.916
I was two years old when it came out in 1995.
Speaker C
00:02:27.988 - 00:02:29.240
I was 57.
Speaker A
00:02:31.540 - 00:02:32.380
I just got back.
Speaker B
00:02:32.420 - 00:02:35.340
No, he's 130. He looks great for his age.
Speaker C
00:02:35.380 - 00:02:37.840
I got bit by Brad Pitt back in the 90s.
Speaker A
00:02:38.180 - 00:02:39.840
Just got back from Korea.
Speaker C
00:02:41.540 - 00:02:44.924
I'm just over here like jamming to the boogie, Boogie boy or whatever.
Speaker B
00:02:44.972 - 00:02:45.468
There you go.
Speaker A
00:02:45.524 - 00:02:48.796
We didn't call PTSD back then. We called it Sylvester Stallone.
Speaker C
00:02:48.908 - 00:02:52.156
We call it get over it on it.
Speaker A
00:02:52.228 - 00:02:56.956
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know, man. And how did you first encounter. Oh, you just watched.
Speaker B
00:02:56.988 - 00:03:18.690
This is the first time I've ever seen it. I've known it existed, but I watched the remake before I watched this one like when it came out.
And 18 year old Seth was definitely like very freaked out by how hyper violent the remake was. So seeing, seeing the PG13 Sylvester Stallone version was kind of very whiplashy for me.
Speaker A
00:03:18.730 - 00:03:20.338
Yeah, this was very weird.
Speaker B
00:03:20.434 - 00:03:45.580
The only way I can describe this movie is like the director couldn't let go of the 80s, but also found out about computer animation. Yeah, like this was just stylistically format like down to just the way the script ended up getting written was just 80s action B movie to a TV.
But again somehow there's like actually okay. Animation for 1995.
Speaker A
00:03:45.700 - 00:03:46.236
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:03:46.348 - 00:03:48.508
Oh, I think it had great animation for 95.
Speaker B
00:03:48.564 - 00:04:05.756
Yeah, it's quite good. It definitely obviously now looking back on it, it's very easy to tell for like 90% of it. Like. Oh yeah, okay.
And like a lot of the falling over the green screen like kind of looked like shit. But I was, I was genuinely impressed by how good it looked for 95.
Speaker A
00:04:05.828 - 00:04:13.902
Yeah, yeah. This by far, this is a weird experience for me because old Movie wars fans will know that. That my idols growing up were Arnold and Sly.
Speaker B
00:04:13.966 - 00:04:14.302
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:04:14.366 - 00:05:38.748
Worship those guys. Commando, Terminator, Rambo, like those that like 80s action is my favorite genre and it's not even close. And it's what I grew up on.
Watched it way too young, like a lot of us did. You know, it's like my dad's like, well, it kind of looks like an American hero. I'll just put him on there and. But it was painful to watch this.
And there's a lot of reasons for what you said about stuck in the 80s. It wasn't actually the director.
It was the fact that Sylvester Stallone kind of hanging on to the last rung, you know, and for those that don't know, like, and, and this worked in the 80s because Sly was such a huge deal and him and Arnold had that battle. They literally were battling and they.
Yeah, they would talk to each other when one would make more money he's like, I gotta make more money and oh, he killed more people. There was literally this conversation they had about the fact that Sly used a bigger knife in Rando and Rambo.
And so Arnold's like, I gotta get a bigger knife in a movie. Like there was this petty bullshit. And Sly, you know, he, he would rewrite and basically backseat direct movies a lot in the 80s.
And one of my favorite movies of all time is Cobra. And.
And he totally pissed off the director so much that when Sly would leave the set surrounded by bodyguards, like, he literally wouldn't even talk to the other actors. And he had bodyguards at all time.
The, the real director would scream at people, but like he was trying to take the movie back and Sly would come back, he'd be like, he would straighten up. And so Sly would do this continually and he did it on this movie. But the problem is, it's. That brand of action is starting to die off.
Speaker B
00:05:38.804 - 00:05:39.244
Oh yeah.
Speaker A
00:05:39.292 - 00:06:18.376
We're entering the Michael Bay era, which I think, I think three. There are three or four factors that really shifted away from the, the oily muscle, star centered action.
And that was adrenaline infused, constant action, which is like the Michael Bay, the rock Point break with Keanu Reeves.
And we're also seeing new action stars that are, yes, attractive, kind of jacked, but more of an everyman compared to Arnold and Sly, who are more Herculean. We've got Keanu Reeves, Bruce Willis with Die Hard, starting to change the way we view action. And then it's 1995.
We had Last Action Hero in 1993, which was kind of a failure in a lot of ways. And Arnold still hates it, but really. Yeah, Arnold is not. Does not like that.
Speaker C
00:06:18.448 - 00:06:21.064
I need to rewatch that movie because I thought it was phenomenal.
Speaker A
00:06:21.112 - 00:06:21.544
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:06:21.592 - 00:06:22.856
Made fun of action movies.
Speaker B
00:06:22.888 - 00:06:24.280
I love probably why he didn't like it.
Speaker A
00:06:24.320 - 00:06:24.584
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:06:24.632 - 00:06:24.952
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:06:25.016 - 00:06:32.024
But I mean, he had to at least had somebody read the script right before he took it, be like, oh, this is making fun action movies.
Speaker B
00:06:32.072 - 00:06:35.902
You would think, you would think, but sometimes that just slips through the cracks.
Speaker C
00:06:35.966 - 00:06:39.742
Yeah, well, I mean, I guess if you just start waving big fat dollars.
Speaker B
00:06:39.806 - 00:06:47.790
Yeah. Especially if you're used to, as an action hero, getting picked for a role and then basically having the script written around you.
Speaker A
00:06:47.830 - 00:06:48.142
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:06:48.206 - 00:07:06.658
Because that was kind of the format of the late 70s through the 80s was they would be like, we need to make an action movie. Who's going to star in it? Okay, Arnold. Okay, we've got, we'll make it like this. Like that's how that would happen a lot. So what?
Not be surprised if he was just like the last action hero. That sounds like a badass role. I'll do it.
Speaker A
00:07:06.714 - 00:07:06.994
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:07:07.042 - 00:07:21.426
Yeah, I guess so. I mean, maybe. I guess whenever I think of Arnold Schwarzenegger, it's like his.
His roles were always, to me, the best because, I mean, you bring him out, it's like he was like Hercules or whatever at the beginning.
Speaker B
00:07:21.458 - 00:07:22.386
Conan the Barbarian.
Speaker C
00:07:22.498 - 00:07:24.482
Well, no, he was Hercules in New York.
Speaker B
00:07:24.506 - 00:07:25.362
Was he also Hercules?
Speaker A
00:07:25.426 - 00:07:28.002
That was his very first role. He didn't even speak English.
Speaker C
00:07:28.066 - 00:07:44.412
Yeah. It was like overdub.
And then next thing you move on to, like, Conan and stuff, which I think Conan and the Terminator are the roles that he didn't even know were written for him. I think the people that were writing them. Did he. Yeah, of course. I think Conan was a comic book before it was.
Speaker B
00:07:44.436 - 00:07:44.908
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:07:44.924 - 00:07:46.956
Just like these dread movies and.
Speaker B
00:07:47.028 - 00:07:53.244
But again, those are what set him up as the action hero of the late 70s through the 80s. So it's like they up.
Speaker C
00:07:53.332 - 00:07:54.044
Can I say?
Speaker A
00:07:54.132 - 00:07:56.358
Yeah, yeah. All day long.
Speaker C
00:07:56.524 - 00:08:15.954
They fucked up majorly whenever they just started making him. Not an unstoppable killing. Except for Predator. Predator. You got to give him a little lines here and there and stuff.
But Terminator and Terminator 2, obviously phenomenal. And what did he do? He just walked around like a menace.
Speaker B
00:08:16.002 - 00:08:16.594
Yeah. Literally.
Speaker C
00:08:16.642 - 00:08:33.196
Conan the Barbarian, which I rewatched probably four or five months ago for the first time in. Well, since I was drunk as hell during, like, the whole pandemic. I know. I'm pretty sure I watched it during.
Yeah, but it's just whenever you just give him, like, hey, you're just gonna walk around and be big and menacing.
Speaker B
00:08:33.228 - 00:08:33.676
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:08:33.788 - 00:08:41.020
Let somebody else do the heavy lifting for the acting part. You're just gonna act like Conan the Barbarian, whatever you think that is.
Speaker B
00:08:41.060 - 00:08:41.228
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:08:41.244 - 00:08:43.676
And he's like, okay. And he just stands.
Speaker B
00:08:43.708 - 00:08:44.364
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:08:44.412 - 00:08:45.564
He swings a sword.
Speaker B
00:08:45.692 - 00:08:56.896
And the weird thing, like, comparing him to. To Sly is like, Rocky is such a compelling drama. A lot of people say it's a boxing movie. It's a sports movie. Rocky 1 is not a sports movie.
Speaker C
00:08:56.928 - 00:08:57.360
Right.
Speaker B
00:08:57.480 - 00:09:28.142
Because there's barely any sport in that movie. It is a character driven emotional drama.
And even though he was kind of playing a caricaturized version of himself in the way that he wrote Rocky, the acting is still incredibly powerful. He's a solid actor.
It's just, for whatever reason, as he got deeper into the action roles, it's like he just got lazy and stopped trying because this is it just me or was he having a stroke every time he spoke in this movie? Well, it was so bad.
Speaker A
00:09:28.246 - 00:09:42.334
Well, that's his thing. And, and kind of going back to the story of this movie, like he was doing that again where he was rewriting, interfering.
He was basically backseat directing this movie. Yeah, this actually. And I have a rando about this. When this movie first was finalized, it was rated NC17.
Speaker B
00:09:42.422 - 00:09:43.838
Oh God, it was.
Speaker A
00:09:43.974 - 00:09:54.154
But Sly was not only. Not only making him write funny lines, he wanted to do his one liners which is something that was dying off from the. This old breed of comedy we.
Or this old breed of action we were talking about.
Speaker B
00:09:54.242 - 00:09:54.650
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:09:54.730 - 00:09:59.242
But they also. And the problem is too is the studio was always on Sly side.
Speaker B
00:09:59.346 - 00:10:01.898
Yeah, of course. Cuz he's the star, he's an atm.
Speaker A
00:10:01.994 - 00:10:21.446
Yeah. And the director didn't stand a chance. So when Sly and the.
They wanted it to be PG13, they wanted to be funny, they wanted to be more accessible, they wanted to make more money. So they made all these changes because of that. And that is how we actually got it. Apparently it was much more violent.
There's a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor that's much darker. And that's actually the director wanted to do what happened in 2012.
Speaker B
00:10:21.518 - 00:10:21.814
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:10:21.862 - 00:10:26.966
Dread, that actually was his vision. But he basically didn't stand a chance in when he got slide.
Speaker B
00:10:27.078 - 00:10:36.070
I mean he. Yeah, he would have been way ahead of its time. I don't think the 90s would have been ready for that level of like hyper violence in the way that.
That they would have done it.
Speaker C
00:10:36.190 - 00:10:44.144
See, I think completely different. The 90s 94 had Pulp Fiction which a lot of people are like, oh my God.
Speaker B
00:10:44.272 - 00:10:45.568
That was an outlier though.
Speaker C
00:10:45.624 - 00:10:48.704
But I mean, but it opened up a whole genre of those indie films.
Speaker B
00:10:48.752 - 00:10:49.184
It's true.
Speaker C
00:10:49.232 - 00:10:54.096
Always kind of a heist film or somebody getting in a bad situation that can only end in violence.
Speaker B
00:10:54.208 - 00:10:54.912
That is true.
Speaker C
00:10:54.976 - 00:11:02.416
And people flock to that. And I think that's another reason why a comic book like Judge Dread where it's just an ultra violent person.
Speaker B
00:11:02.488 - 00:11:02.832
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:11:02.896 - 00:11:08.944
You know, going around doing semi lawful things. It's basically the Punisher.
Speaker B
00:11:08.992 - 00:11:09.264
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:11:09.312 - 00:11:21.602
Is all he is.
But I think, I think people saw that and just went, okay, this is how we get your Gen X 20 somethings to come back to the theater for a popcorn movie.
Speaker B
00:11:21.666 - 00:11:22.050
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:11:22.130 - 00:11:37.976
And we're gonna do this, but how are we gonna do it? And then I feel like the first movie just had so many smudges and fingerprints. Oh yeah.
Of big wigs sitting around the table being like, well, how do we sell the Happy meal part at McDonald's?
Speaker B
00:11:38.008 - 00:11:38.312
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:11:38.376 - 00:11:45.928
How do we sell these toys and Toys R Us? How do we do this? We gotta have, like. You were saying earlier, maybe it was you. I can't remember.
Speaker A
00:11:46.024 - 00:11:46.900
We said.
Speaker C
00:11:47.200 - 00:11:54.168
Said we gotta have some one liners. And in there we gotta have, like, somebody to be funny because this balance is too much.
Speaker B
00:11:54.224 - 00:11:54.600
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:11:54.680 - 00:11:59.336
And then you're gonna bring in Rob Schneider, which was just, what, the worst. The worst part of the whole movie.
Speaker A
00:11:59.368 - 00:12:00.424
And I like Rob Schneider.
Speaker C
00:12:00.472 - 00:12:09.406
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. And the absolute worst part of the movie. But on the. On the other side, I don't know if we can jump into the other movie. Just.
Speaker B
00:12:09.478 - 00:12:12.526
We can talk about it, but. Yeah, we'll do a. We'll do. We'll do a whole episode on that one, too.
Speaker C
00:12:12.598 - 00:12:16.446
Okay. Just in the compare and contrast of the two.
Speaker B
00:12:16.518 - 00:12:16.958
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:12:17.054 - 00:12:20.398
Is that almost 2012 or 2013?
Speaker B
00:12:20.534 - 00:12:22.030
Well, yeah, it was.
Speaker C
00:12:22.070 - 00:12:26.702
It's almost where I was like, you know, it wouldn't be bad to have just a joke. Yeah, okay.
Speaker B
00:12:26.766 - 00:13:11.044
That was. The thing was, like, I rewatched it last night and. And I was.
Every now and then it would have a nod back to the original movie in that Carl Urban would have one of those little one liners or Anderson would have one of the one liners.
And it happened just enough because I was talking to the person I was watching with and I was like, this happens maybe 10% of the amount of times it happens in the 95 movie. And this was like, just enough that I still felt the tension of the situation.
They're into the movie, but I wasn't, like, rolling my eyes with the dumb, like, oh, I've got you kind of one liners that, like, Sly was doing the whole movie. Yeah, it was. Every other line of his was just like, I'm gonna say something clever.
Speaker A
00:13:11.172 - 00:13:11.572
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:13:11.636 - 00:13:16.052
I think it's less clever and more. They were looking for that. I'll be back or.
Speaker B
00:13:16.156 - 00:13:33.460
Oh, sure. But the problem was there wasn't one consistent one. It was like every other time he would. It was another.
And he might call back to one every now and then. But it's like they kept just trying to throw them on the wall, and instead of picking the one that stuck, they just used all of them. Yeah.
And it was so weird.
Speaker C
00:13:34.040 - 00:13:36.096
It was a hodgepodge. It was.
Speaker B
00:13:36.248 - 00:13:48.704
I feel like if this movie had come out 10 years prior, I could look on it a little more favorably. But knowing, like, what was being made right before and right after it just, it sticks out like such a sore thumb.
Speaker A
00:13:48.752 - 00:13:50.954
How 10 years before it would have been considered prophetic.
Speaker B
00:13:51.032 - 00:13:52.086
I mean, probably.
Speaker A
00:13:52.278 - 00:14:26.968
Yeah, like Total Recall was, was that.
I mean, Total Recall was, was one of those rare instances where Arnold was, he basically saved the movie because the, the production company went bankrupt. And so they basically said, I want to star in it. Carol Company, the movie.
The company that did RoboCop and all the Rambos were like, we'll put money into it if Arnold can star. But like, in a lot of ways that movie was also very prophetic. And that came out in like, what, 92, I think, I think 91 or 92.
And so that was actually pretty close. But they managed to be more serious with that because they, they. Because Verhoeven was directing it and so.
But literally three or four years later, this one.
Speaker B
00:14:27.024 - 00:14:48.712
Yeah, it's cartoonish, almost very cartoonish. And as you said, like, it doesn't, it, it, it, it's supposed to have a serious tone.
And, and I want to, I do want to talk about this in a little bit how I actually think the plot, the, the basic structure of the, of the movie was a very good story buried in this heap of, of, of Sly. Just being a weirdo.
Speaker A
00:14:48.776 - 00:14:49.166
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:14:49.248 - 00:14:54.306
Is actually a really solid story. The execution was just the whole way.
Speaker A
00:14:54.378 - 00:14:54.722
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:14:54.786 - 00:15:04.034
But it's, it's like. Yeah. I don't know. I, it's weird how much old was in it for when it came out? It just, yeah. It felt so strange.
Speaker C
00:15:04.082 - 00:15:11.074
It's once again Hollywood for years. And I know this from watching horror movies and stuff is ran by 50 year olds.
Speaker B
00:15:11.122 - 00:15:11.394
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:15:11.442 - 00:15:11.762
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:15:11.826 - 00:15:17.036
I, it may be still that way, I don't know. But back then, definitely 50 year olds.
Speaker B
00:15:17.068 - 00:15:17.468
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:15:17.564 - 00:15:23.388
So they're coming in and being like, oh, this is what the kids want to see. Because that's what they wanted to see 20 to 30 years ago.
Speaker B
00:15:23.444 - 00:15:23.724
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:15:23.772 - 00:15:23.996
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:15:24.028 - 00:15:41.244
And then you just have that. So whatever pure intention that a script writer or a filmmaker has though, I'm preaching to the choir.
You bring it in, you sit it down, and then somebody else goes, oh, well, I'll give it at a million dollars if. Yeah, it has this.
Speaker B
00:15:41.332 - 00:15:41.920
Yeah. Which.
Speaker C
00:15:41.950 - 00:15:46.252
Well, I mean, it's in a weird city, so we have to show flying cars and shit.
Speaker B
00:15:46.316 - 00:15:46.920
Right.
Speaker C
00:15:47.300 - 00:15:51.324
Did anybody ever think about that for one minute the whole world has collapsed.
Speaker B
00:15:51.372 - 00:15:51.836
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:15:51.948 - 00:16:04.812
And it's. The cities have had to blend together. Everything's a slum, everything's dirty, everything's violent and polluted and nasty.
And for some odd reason, Scientists said, you know what we need to do?
Speaker B
00:16:04.916 - 00:16:08.940
Make cars fly and the bike sometimes.
Speaker A
00:16:09.100 - 00:16:11.020
And the guns are voice activated.
Speaker C
00:16:11.180 - 00:16:12.236
Guns are voice acted.
Speaker B
00:16:12.268 - 00:16:23.880
Which was the only part of this. Liked as far as like the technology and the lore was. And, and I, I do love how it carried through with the way they did it in the Carl Urban one.
Because it like it took that good idea and just perfected it.
Speaker A
00:16:23.920 - 00:16:24.184
Yes.
Speaker C
00:16:24.232 - 00:16:24.504
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:16:24.552 - 00:17:20.976
And like I said, there was a lot of good that I could pull out of this movie. I texted Kyle about this. I genuinely think if this plot had been the third movie in a trilogy or a series, it would have been way better.
Because if you look at like the story and how simple the 2012 one is, if you start there and then have a second one where he starts to get into the more morally gray area. Because in the first movie he's pretty much unrelenting as far as like, this is the law. We follow the law in the things that we do.
But at the very end is when you see him start to break those kind of morals. If that was the first one, you had something where he starts breaking the morals a little more in the second one.
And then the third one is when the entire world is now questioning whether or not he can do his job even though he's been framed. I think that would have made a very compelling like, trilogy or at least first three movies of a series.
Speaker C
00:17:21.048 - 00:17:34.416
Well, you got to face it, these movies aren't made to be, I don't even think entertaining. A lot of times they're made to sell toys. Sure, sure, shit like that. And I think that's what they were going for.
They were just like, slap a bunch of shit together.
Speaker B
00:17:34.488 - 00:17:35.300
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:17:36.160 - 00:17:50.968
I, I personally, I don't totally agree with what you said about the story of this first movie. I think that they, it felt like they just took a bunch of good ideas from other movies and scenes for that matter, and just mush that together.
Speaker B
00:17:51.024 - 00:17:52.008
Oh, I don't disagree.
Speaker C
00:17:52.104 - 00:17:52.504
Works.
Speaker B
00:17:52.552 - 00:17:53.352
I don't disagree.
Speaker C
00:17:53.416 - 00:18:02.744
Let's go with it. And I'm not saying it was that bad. I'm not saying that I watched him this movie, but I just kept on. Well, I probably did say, fuck this movie.
Speaker B
00:18:02.792 - 00:18:04.696
There was quite a few times Rob.
Speaker C
00:18:04.728 - 00:18:09.892
Schneider kind of made me say, fuck this movie. Ye. Of course. They had to have like hillbillies out in the desert.
Speaker B
00:18:09.956 - 00:18:10.292
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:18:10.356 - 00:18:15.684
Like you had to have your horror movie. People know it. You had to have your Hills Thunderdome.
Speaker B
00:18:15.732 - 00:18:19.220
Yeah, Hills have eyes. A little bit of Mad Max. Kind of feel shit like that.
Speaker C
00:18:19.260 - 00:18:21.572
Where I'm just like. I feel like that's so unnecessary.
Speaker B
00:18:21.636 - 00:18:21.876
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:18:21.908 - 00:18:24.868
Because I hadn't watched it since it came out.
Speaker B
00:18:24.924 - 00:18:25.252
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:18:25.316 - 00:18:32.244
And whenever they were flying Dread to the penal colony, which they kept calling it, I was like, just called a prison.
Speaker B
00:18:32.292 - 00:18:32.564
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:18:32.612 - 00:18:32.836
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:18:32.868 - 00:18:37.760
Like, this is for. We have to say penalty and say it straight faced.
Speaker B
00:18:38.180 - 00:18:40.960
Harvey Weinstein walked in and was like, you should say penal.
Speaker C
00:18:41.540 - 00:18:51.180
Mine doesn't work. It does, but I just. I don't know. I feel like him fighting his way out of prison.
Speaker B
00:18:51.260 - 00:18:51.564
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:18:51.612 - 00:18:54.476
To prove his innocence would have been so much better.
Speaker B
00:18:54.548 - 00:19:15.452
Oh, definitely. So that's where I say the plot. The. The basic plot of he's accused of a crime he didn't commit and he has to solve what happened.
That is where I think they obviously is where they started. And that's where I think the good ideas probably ended.
It was like once they had their basic story in line and they started populating it with other ideas, that's where everything just kind of sucked.
Speaker C
00:19:15.516 - 00:19:20.252
Yeah. I got a game that I like to play since the. The final season of Game of Thrones.
Speaker B
00:19:20.316 - 00:19:20.796
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:20.908 - 00:19:25.948
Where I go. I can't about something unless I have the ideas to make it better.
Speaker B
00:19:26.004 - 00:19:26.428
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:26.524 - 00:19:29.196
And if I can't do that, then I have to walk away.
Speaker B
00:19:29.268 - 00:19:29.744
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:29.852 - 00:19:32.392
And in this one, this is how I would do it.
Speaker B
00:19:32.416 - 00:19:32.968
Okay.
Speaker C
00:19:33.064 - 00:19:34.936
Judge Dredd gets framed.
Speaker B
00:19:34.968 - 00:19:35.416
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:35.528 - 00:19:37.080
I don't know how that's going to get there.
Speaker B
00:19:37.120 - 00:19:37.368
Sure.
Speaker C
00:19:37.424 - 00:19:39.960
Because I didn't particularly care the way they did it in this one.
Speaker B
00:19:40.000 - 00:19:40.456
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:40.568 - 00:19:47.160
But he gets framed. He gets sent to the prison. He fights his way through the prison. At this point, you got to keep Rob Schneider.
Speaker B
00:19:47.240 - 00:19:47.544
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:19:47.592 - 00:20:04.562
You keep him through there. He's using him as cannon fodder. Everything else to kind of get through till they somehow get out.
And then that next part of the movie, your middle of the movie is them walking through the desert while people on Dread's side. What's her name? Diane Lane.
Speaker B
00:20:04.626 - 00:20:05.186
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker C
00:20:05.218 - 00:20:08.050
Diane Lane is over there. She's doing like the detective work.
Speaker B
00:20:08.090 - 00:20:08.402
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:20:08.466 - 00:20:11.314
So that gives her character actually something to do.
Speaker A
00:20:11.402 - 00:20:11.746
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:20:11.778 - 00:20:17.570
Other than just be a lawyer at one point. Like, other than that, I don't know really what she did. She was just the damsel in distress.
Speaker B
00:20:17.650 - 00:20:23.586
Basically. Basically like the love halfway partner. Yeah. Yeah. The kiss at the end was so out of place. It was so.
Speaker C
00:20:23.658 - 00:20:25.634
Because there was never like any sexual tension.
Speaker B
00:20:25.682 - 00:20:25.890
No.
Speaker C
00:20:25.930 - 00:20:30.570
Barely at all that. And then it's like, okay, I love you now. And he's like, I got go back.
Speaker A
00:20:31.350 - 00:20:34.606
I judged. I judged him. I mean.
Speaker C
00:20:34.678 - 00:20:41.246
And then you Know, then you have like a bit of a fight between the bad guys. Because all those old movies have to have a boss fight.
Speaker B
00:20:41.318 - 00:20:41.774
Absolutely.
Speaker C
00:20:41.822 - 00:20:42.638
Which I'm fine with.
Speaker B
00:20:42.694 - 00:20:43.070
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:20:43.150 - 00:20:46.414
And then you have that. And then you, you know, then he rides off in the sunset.
Speaker B
00:20:46.462 - 00:20:47.358
I agree with all of that.
Speaker C
00:20:47.414 - 00:20:49.278
I can't do anything but love.
Speaker B
00:20:49.334 - 00:21:21.250
That's a ten times better movie. Like 100%. No. See? Yeah. And again, you. In my opinion, that's the same basic plot of just like, what kind of film is this? It's a framed revenge film.
But that story wise is way better. 100%. I would do that.
And that's where I think, especially once you've established the world and the characters with one or two other movies, that's especially where this kind of story would have had a better place. Instead of being the introduction to this character. It's kind of the conclusion of what's happened in a grander sense.
Speaker C
00:21:21.330 - 00:21:27.266
Yeah. And they didn't even really set it up for a sequel. I expected that at the end. I expected some sort of.
Speaker A
00:21:27.338 - 00:21:28.386
I'm late to work.
Speaker B
00:21:28.538 - 00:21:29.950
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker C
00:21:30.250 - 00:21:33.826
I expected something like the. What's his name? Rico.
Speaker B
00:21:33.938 - 00:21:34.322
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:21:34.386 - 00:21:42.226
Expected him to somehow come back. Or maybe the DNA that he started. All those clones with, like, it shows like one towards the end, like crawling toward, you know, just something.
Speaker B
00:21:42.298 - 00:21:42.786
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:21:42.898 - 00:21:47.306
But they were like, nah, I think they were just like, we're just, we're done here.
Speaker B
00:21:47.418 - 00:21:52.778
Yeah. I think everybody kind of knew by the time that movie got edited that it was not. Not going to have a sequel.
Speaker A
00:21:52.954 - 00:22:09.530
Speaking of having a sequel, maybe you're sitting inside of a mega complex in a dystopian slum in a cyberpunk setting and you haven't shared Movie Wars. So I'm going to judge you. Yeah, we're going to judge. Well, I don't want to say I'm going to execute you. That's really dark.
But that's what happens in the movie.
Speaker B
00:22:09.610 - 00:22:10.106
It's true.
Speaker A
00:22:10.138 - 00:22:12.202
So kind of a subtle threat. That's what happens in the movie.
Speaker B
00:22:12.266 - 00:22:15.776
You will seriously be in dread of us coming to get you.
Speaker A
00:22:15.848 - 00:22:21.584
I dread the fact that maybe you didn't share Movie wars with your grandmother. She's not going to be here forever. In fact, I'd call her now and check.
Speaker B
00:22:21.632 - 00:22:22.000
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:22:22.080 - 00:22:24.900
All right. Love y'all.
Speaker B
00:22:26.680 - 00:22:28.128
Like and subscribe. We love you.
Speaker A
00:22:28.184 - 00:22:30.000
Yes. The question.
Speaker B
00:22:30.120 - 00:22:31.296
The questions.
Speaker A
00:22:31.408 - 00:22:57.262
So everything we just said, the. The PG13 nature, the cartoonishness, but then all of a sudden we got cannibals out in the desert. Like, that drives me Insane.
Like to me, like there are a few subject matters in movies that like, once you put them in there, it's, it just, it takes it there.
And Cannibals is one of those things like the imagery and if you're like someone that, you know, for God forbid, watched Hannibal, Cannibal Holocaust or, or Green Infer. Inferno.
Speaker B
00:22:57.326 - 00:22:58.670
I love that movie. Yeah.
Speaker C
00:22:58.750 - 00:23:02.030
Green Inferno. Oh yeah, yeah. It's a Disney movie compared to Cannibal.
Speaker A
00:23:02.190 - 00:23:03.198
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Speaker B
00:23:03.294 - 00:23:04.014
Oh yeah.
Speaker A
00:23:04.142 - 00:23:35.936
And it's like once you like put them in a setting and I have, I have. And I know this because I have 10 minutes in my, in my set about cannibals. I have a lot of cannibal material. I don't know why. It just. Yeah, exactly.
Right. It just. People just are a little weird about cannibals. I mean, let's be real. It's kind of like you're having a nice party.
We'll call Dread because up until now it's been kind of a stroll in the park. Yeah, it's. It's dark, but it's kind of just feels like a walk in the park is like they're cannibals.
It's like, whoa, there are cannibals in this world. Like, how did we get there?
Speaker B
00:23:36.008 - 00:23:56.800
I just, I mean, again, if, if this had been even the second or third movie in a series, you could go there pretty easily. You could, you could have set up the universe and you could go into a quick side thing. Oh, guess what? Yeah.
There's this one group out here that's doing fucked up shit. I think last of us did it really well. Yeah, that one group that. But again, you.
Speaker A
00:23:56.920 - 00:23:57.616
That's the world.
Speaker B
00:23:57.688 - 00:24:06.290
Well, you're. Yeah. And you're talking about a nine hour TV show and a 20 or 60, 16 hour game versus an hour and a half long movie.
Speaker A
00:24:06.370 - 00:24:06.914
I agree.
Speaker B
00:24:07.002 - 00:24:11.202
There's just too much stuff packed into this movie for it to make sense.
Speaker A
00:24:11.266 - 00:24:28.648
And they've done nothing here to build up to the cannibals. I was like, yes, it's dark. Like you said, it's polluted. But the thing that.
And again, I don't want to over talk about Dread until we do the Dread episode. But it's like this didn't really give us a lot of insights into what living in this world's like.
We see the people and stuff, but it's like we've, you know.
Speaker B
00:24:28.754 - 00:24:35.756
Well, some of them. It doesn't seem that bad. Yeah, it kind of just seems like normal life just got put into a big City. Like, that's.
Speaker C
00:24:35.788 - 00:24:36.476
Yeah, that's it.
Speaker B
00:24:36.548 - 00:24:40.940
Sure. It's. Everything's. Everyone's a little poorer, but everyone seems to be at least surviving.
Speaker A
00:24:41.020 - 00:24:41.964
But there's cannibals.
Speaker B
00:24:42.012 - 00:24:42.284
Yes.
Speaker A
00:24:42.332 - 00:24:43.404
It's just like, holy shit.
Speaker B
00:24:43.452 - 00:24:48.716
That was one group of people who are revolutionaries and are shooting shit up. Like, yeah, okay.
Speaker A
00:24:48.828 - 00:24:52.396
It's not like the Road like the. The Viggo Mortensen based on Cor McCarthy.
Speaker B
00:24:52.428 - 00:24:53.212
It's like, to see that.
Speaker A
00:24:53.236 - 00:24:56.644
It's like that. I've read it and watch it. It's like, now that makes sense.
Speaker B
00:24:56.692 - 00:24:57.320
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:24:57.740 - 00:25:02.324
They've done a good job illustrating the world we're in, but here it's kind of like. That was a bit of a leap.
Speaker C
00:25:02.372 - 00:25:06.228
Whenever you go to watch the Road, just make sure you don't have anything else to do the rest of the day.
Speaker A
00:25:06.284 - 00:25:07.620
Yeah, you're gonna have a bad day.
Speaker C
00:25:07.660 - 00:25:08.916
You're gonna be weird around people.
Speaker A
00:25:08.988 - 00:25:09.476
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:25:09.588 - 00:25:10.084
Did you.
Speaker A
00:25:10.172 - 00:25:10.772
Did you read it?
Speaker C
00:25:10.796 - 00:25:11.348
I didn't read it.
Speaker A
00:25:11.404 - 00:25:18.916
Oh, my God. It took me. It took me. It took me like, three weeks to finally finish it. And I. I remember, like, just living in it for three weeks.
I was like, oh, my God.
Speaker B
00:25:19.028 - 00:25:19.720
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:25:20.220 - 00:25:33.436
But you could also look at the roads, since this is the Road podcast now.
You could also look at the road as hope, because there is a certain thing that happens at the ending that we can't tell that is supposed to symbolize some sort of hope.
Speaker A
00:25:33.508 - 00:25:33.852
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:25:33.916 - 00:25:36.540
Even though I didn't get that much hope from it.
Speaker B
00:25:36.580 - 00:25:36.828
Sure.
Speaker A
00:25:36.884 - 00:25:38.796
It's Cormac McCarthy's version of hope.
Speaker C
00:25:38.868 - 00:25:39.520
Yes.
Speaker B
00:25:40.820 - 00:25:42.796
In the distance of the vast night.
Speaker A
00:25:42.868 - 00:25:47.952
When you don't have any legs anymore and your whole family's dead and you're eating soil and worms.
Speaker B
00:25:48.076 - 00:25:48.520
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:25:48.600 - 00:25:52.504
Hope. There's still hope. The sun has its shine and you're.
Speaker B
00:25:52.552 - 00:25:54.792
Literally consuming your own to survive.
Speaker A
00:25:54.856 - 00:26:02.728
And there are cannibals. Yes, there is hope. That killed me, dude. Well, that was the Road podcast.
Speaker C
00:26:02.904 - 00:26:03.576
Thank you.
Speaker A
00:26:03.648 - 00:26:04.360
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:26:04.520 - 00:26:07.900
Like, review, subscribe. Hey, guys, let's.
Speaker A
00:26:08.480 - 00:26:13.960
Next question. We. We talked about how it was going to be NC17, and I have a random for that, but let's pretend we didn't know that.
Speaker B
00:26:14.000 - 00:26:14.416
Okay.
Speaker A
00:26:14.488 - 00:26:17.312
Was the blood and gore budget for this movie $14?
Speaker B
00:26:17.376 - 00:26:18.048
I think so.
Speaker A
00:26:18.104 - 00:26:25.504
Oh, my God. We got. Did you notice that? Like, there's so many. I'm not saying it needed to be Texas Chainsaw Massacre or. Or even the New Dread or even robocop.
Speaker B
00:26:25.552 - 00:26:25.728
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:26:25.744 - 00:26:40.576
Or even. Oh, yeah, God forbid. But this, like, there are, like, future laser bullets.
Like, I don't even know how to Describe them going through people like crazy. And it's just like, maybe I saw blood three, four times. We got cannibals. Like there's no blood, no gore anywhere.
Speaker B
00:26:40.608 - 00:27:31.846
Well, see, this is, this is what I was saying because, because technically I wouldn't, I wouldn't classify this as an indie film. Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs, both very independent films.
And you can get a lot away with a lot more hyper violence in animated or independent films than you can when you're trying to do a big budget kind of action movie. And so that's where I'm like, I feel like general audiences wouldn't have been ready for even an R rated cut of that movie.
Because when you compare it to what was going on in the 80s, everything was kind of independent. You had a few of the big budget kind of stuff, but most things people were seeing in theaters were going to be lower budget independent sci fi films.
And I would even consider RoboCop to be in that genre of like independent level sci fi.
Speaker A
00:27:31.878 - 00:27:37.110
Oh yeah, it was rated X. It took him 10, it took him 10 resubmissions to the NPAA to get it down to R. Exactly.
Speaker B
00:27:37.190 - 00:27:44.902
And that was kind of a thing for indie film, especially in the 70s and 80s, was like experimenting and pushing the boundaries of that kind of hyper violent.
Speaker C
00:27:44.966 - 00:27:50.774
See, I don't think that this was supposed to be an action movie at all. Like I said earlier, I think this was supposed to sell toys.
Speaker A
00:27:50.902 - 00:27:51.350
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:27:51.430 - 00:28:00.598
This was supposed to open up like whoever bought. I. I don't even know what Judge Drag came out on as far as comic book publishers. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:28:00.614 - 00:28:01.222
I have no clue.
Speaker C
00:28:01.286 - 00:28:03.078
Yeah. I, I don't know much about the comic books.
Speaker A
00:28:03.094 - 00:28:05.686
I used to be British based. It's a uk.
Speaker B
00:28:05.758 - 00:28:06.054
Okay.
Speaker C
00:28:06.102 - 00:28:09.474
Okay. I remember seeing it in comic shops whenever I was a teenager.
Speaker B
00:28:09.522 - 00:28:09.842
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:28:09.906 - 00:28:14.802
But you know, it was nothing more than me looking at how cool the COVID was, maybe flipping through it.
Speaker A
00:28:14.826 - 00:28:15.154
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:28:15.202 - 00:28:27.650
And that was about it. So whoever bought that ip, I believe, just went, yeah, this will be the next toy that we sell. Because RoboCop, you guys are too young to remember.
RoboCop was marketed to little kids.
Speaker B
00:28:27.730 - 00:28:31.346
Oh, yeah. I'm sure. Even though it was like crazy R. Yeah.
Speaker C
00:28:31.378 - 00:28:44.162
Whenever I watched it, I was like, I don't even know what is going on. Yes. Because this is insane. And there's all this like, you know, kind of propaganda that we're in a like a 1984 state in the movie and all this shit.
Speaker A
00:28:44.226 - 00:28:44.562
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:28:44.626 - 00:28:48.562
And I was just like, how's this for kids? And then they made a cartoon.
Speaker A
00:28:48.706 - 00:28:50.418
Yeah. And it's good, by the way.
Speaker C
00:28:50.474 - 00:28:51.458
The cartoon's not bad.
Speaker A
00:28:51.514 - 00:28:52.082
I had.
Speaker C
00:28:52.186 - 00:29:00.802
I remember having an action figure where you put like caps, like for a cap gun in the back and you just pull the trigger and RoboCop just shot. Yeah. And it just smelled bad.
Speaker A
00:29:00.906 - 00:29:07.326
I had like 20 action figures of RoboCop. I still have. I have figurines on my. As part of my decoration in my office. I have RoboCop Pop figurines.
Speaker C
00:29:07.358 - 00:29:07.566
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:29:07.598 - 00:29:08.014
Hell yeah.
Speaker C
00:29:08.062 - 00:29:14.286
And I honestly think that that's what they were. They were pushing for. It's just like we don't care about the rest.
Speaker B
00:29:14.358 - 00:29:14.798
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:29:14.894 - 00:29:31.006
We just want to sell popcorn. We want to make money. Just puts us out out there. Like, because it was not cohesive, they didn't set it up for a sequel.
They thought this would just explode because a. They had Diane Lane coming off winning an Oscar, I think like a year or two previous.
Speaker A
00:29:31.078 - 00:29:31.678
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:29:31.774 - 00:29:33.062
For Faithful.
Speaker A
00:29:33.166 - 00:29:33.686
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:29:33.798 - 00:29:38.134
So she's won an Oscar. She is always known for being a great actress.
Speaker B
00:29:38.182 - 00:29:38.630
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:29:38.710 - 00:29:39.366
Then you have.
Speaker B
00:29:39.438 - 00:29:40.614
Fucking terrible in this.
Speaker C
00:29:40.702 - 00:29:42.182
Well, yeah, everybody.
Speaker A
00:29:42.326 - 00:29:42.742
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:29:42.806 - 00:29:43.558
Nobody's really.
Speaker B
00:29:43.614 - 00:30:04.716
I will say I thought the villain actually, Rico, I actually really enjoyed his performance. Like there was. Obviously the whole movie was cartoony and he definitely played into that. But I think he just. I've noticed this.
Even when they're in bad movies, when people get a villain role, they still tend to take it as seriously as they can. Pedro Pascal in Wonder Woman 84.
Speaker A
00:30:04.788 - 00:30:05.420
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:30:05.580 - 00:30:22.092
God awful dog shit of a movie. God damn. Did he put 150% of himself into that role? Yeah, he just went all for it. And I feel like Rico did the same here where he was like, fuck it.
I might be saying stupid words, but I'm going to put everything I can behind him. I'm going to bring some sort of weight to this shit.
Speaker C
00:30:22.156 - 00:30:23.240
He went for it.
Speaker A
00:30:23.940 - 00:30:24.988
Rando.
Speaker B
00:30:25.084 - 00:30:26.156
Randos.
Speaker A
00:30:26.348 - 00:30:30.752
This was kind of wild. This film budget was between 85, 90 million.
Speaker B
00:30:30.856 - 00:30:34.144
I was gonna ask. Okay, that's a ton of money from the 90s. Yeah.
Speaker A
00:30:34.192 - 00:30:39.632
And that's. And you can thank Sly for that. I think they would have gotten more than less than half of that if it wasn't Sly.
Speaker B
00:30:39.696 - 00:30:40.224
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:30:40.352 - 00:30:47.328
But they only made 34,7. 34 million domestically and they made 78 million everywhere else, so it totaled 113.
Speaker B
00:30:47.464 - 00:30:50.848
But I'm sure they lost probably 50 million in marketing.
Speaker A
00:30:50.944 - 00:30:53.312
Yeah. And they did have the toys too. I remember the toys.
Speaker C
00:30:53.376 - 00:30:54.930
They had huge toy push.
Speaker A
00:30:55.010 - 00:30:57.426
Yeah. Big toy Toys R Us up in here.
Speaker B
00:30:57.498 - 00:30:58.386
Oh, my God.
Speaker A
00:30:58.498 - 00:31:49.812
This is my favorite part of the Research here. So what's funny? And I'll get to this. In the categories, the, the director and the writers here wrote and directed some prolific stuff.
I mean, we're not messing around with like it would suck if you only knew this movie. And like you would think this is Danny Cannon's only movie is like, ah, Danny Cannon sucks later. Or the writer. I can't remember their names.
I got it documented. But you'll be like, oh my God, they suck. But then you see what else they wrote. Like, what the happened here? How did this happen?
But anyway, this was when it was submitted. It was NC17 between Stallone and the studio. They cut it all the way down to PG 13. Then they started doing research to get or reshoots.
To get more comedy. Yeah, to get more one liners in it.
And Danny Cannon, the director was so disheartened by his experience because him and the writers had the 2012 vision in mind. That's what they wanted. They loved the comics. He said, he was quoted saying he'll never work with a big name actor again because of the way.
Speaker B
00:31:49.996 - 00:31:55.412
Yeah, I would love to see the NC17 cut. I would love to see what that was originally going to look like.
Speaker C
00:31:55.516 - 00:31:57.360
What else did Danny Cannon do?
Speaker A
00:31:58.060 - 00:32:09.908
We have. We can get it to it later. But okay, so I know it's good. No, I love this question. He did Pennyworth, Gotham, Nikita.
I still know what you did last summer. And he also did like three seasons of csi.
Speaker B
00:32:10.084 - 00:32:14.980
Oh, so he jumped into TV after that. Yeah, he did a couple more movies than jumped into tv. Okay.
Speaker A
00:32:15.060 - 00:32:17.588
I haven't seen him, but Gotham and Pennyworth have gotten a lot of love.
Speaker B
00:32:17.644 - 00:32:31.152
Yeah, no, I've heard a lot of good things about both of them. That of sense, because it's unfortunate to say, and I think it's kind of shifting now because there's been a lot of blending between TV and film.
But back in the day, you went to TV when you couldn't do film. Yeah, like that was kind of the situation.
Speaker A
00:32:31.216 - 00:32:33.168
Yeah. And maybe this experience is what drove them there.
Speaker B
00:32:33.224 - 00:33:07.152
It's possible. I mean, I mean literally, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is what made Sean Connery retire from acting. Yeah. Like literally.
Because the whole thing was he passed on Gandalf, he passed on another big role because he didn't understand Dumbledore. I think he actually passed Dumbledore too. And he was like, I just didn't understand the script.
And then his agent was like, you've literally passed up $400 million basically in the last like four years. Do something big even if you don't get it. So he did leave Extraordinary Gentlemen and it was so bad that he just quit acting altogether.
Speaker A
00:33:07.216 - 00:33:07.872
Oh my gosh.
Speaker B
00:33:07.936 - 00:33:15.630
Yeah. And so I could definitely see like one horrific experience. Just like, nope, never doing that again. I'm going to go somewhere else, man.
Speaker A
00:33:15.670 - 00:33:19.406
The agent must either suck or Sean Connery is just hard headed because it's.
Speaker B
00:33:19.438 - 00:33:22.654
Like, it's, it's definitely, it was definitely a little bit of both.
Speaker A
00:33:22.742 - 00:33:24.446
It's like, listen, you can keep saying no.
Speaker B
00:33:24.518 - 00:33:24.814
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:33:24.862 - 00:33:26.590
To this, but you're going to do it.
Speaker B
00:33:26.630 - 00:33:30.270
He would have fucked Gandalf so bad. It would have been horrible.
Speaker C
00:33:30.350 - 00:33:35.502
Could you just imagine being in your 60s and somebody's like, here's the deal. There's a little boy. It's a wizard.
Speaker B
00:33:35.566 - 00:33:36.210
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:33:37.670 - 00:33:51.324
And there's other wizards. There's broomstick around. He's like, does that make him a witch? No, no, no, no, no. So, and then all this is going to happen.
It's going to be like nine movies and this. And the only people like it are little kids and like kind of middle aged weirdos.
Speaker B
00:33:51.372 - 00:33:51.692
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:33:51.756 - 00:33:56.716
So you're going to get real big with this. And he. And it just be like, all right, did Highlander.
Speaker B
00:33:56.748 - 00:33:57.052
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:33:57.116 - 00:33:57.916
So I'm good.
Speaker B
00:33:57.988 - 00:34:10.988
You would Lord of the Rings, though, like up until that point, like Tolkien had such a gravitas. Like literally every actor of, of the older generation who worked on that movie had, had read the books tons of times.
Speaker C
00:34:11.044 - 00:34:11.276
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:34:11.308 - 00:34:27.916
Like Christopher Lee was the only one who actually met Tolkien and asked him questions. And like literally every year would rewatch or reread Lord of the Rings just because that's what he loved doing.
So it's like, I don't know if it was just him being a little bit of a prissy asshole. Just like, oh, I don't get it.
Speaker C
00:34:27.988 - 00:34:29.308
I mean, it is James Bond.
Speaker A
00:34:29.404 - 00:34:29.836
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:34:29.868 - 00:34:30.124
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:34:30.172 - 00:34:37.404
I mean, you know, James Bond just walks out and he's like, you want me to do what? Yeah, I gotta wear a dress and a big pointy hat. For how long?
Speaker B
00:34:37.492 - 00:34:39.708
Keep it secret, safe.
Speaker A
00:34:39.804 - 00:34:55.964
I don't. And there's, I'm trying to remember. I. It was within the proximity of this.
But then you have that interview with Barbara Walters floating around where he talks about 20 minutes only, like when it's okay to slap a woman. Like, I watched that because someone posted it recently and I got curious. They posted like two minutes.
I was like, you know, I've never seen that interview. It's like 15 minutes.
Speaker B
00:34:56.012 - 00:34:56.332
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:34:56.396 - 00:35:06.428
And Barbara Walters asked him. She's like, so when is it okay for a woman to slap you? Goes, well, that's a whole different story.
And I'm like, dude, you got 15 minutes of material on slapping women.
Speaker B
00:35:06.484 - 00:35:07.112
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:35:07.276 - 00:35:11.760
And so, I mean, maybe he's just not a good decision maker. Or was it Pat? Rest in peace.
Speaker B
00:35:11.840 - 00:35:12.144
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:35:12.192 - 00:35:15.136
Rest in power guy. Man slapper.
Speaker B
00:35:15.248 - 00:35:16.752
Yeah. Don't. Don't slap.
Speaker A
00:35:16.816 - 00:35:17.616
Don't slap women.
Speaker B
00:35:17.688 - 00:35:17.936
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:35:17.968 - 00:35:24.940
Don't do that. But also at the same time, whenever somebody dies, at least let their body get cold before you're like, you know what? He was a pretty big.
Speaker A
00:35:25.960 - 00:35:26.288
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:35:26.304 - 00:35:27.920
But you. We all loved him for a while.
Speaker B
00:35:27.960 - 00:35:29.696
Yeah. He did some fun stuff.
Speaker C
00:35:29.728 - 00:35:40.768
Let's celebrate this for a week. Let him get chucked in the ground and be like. And he also would be like, yeah, I'll slap a bitch. Yeah, I'll tell Barbara Walters to her fucking face.
I'll slap her.
Speaker A
00:35:40.904 - 00:36:00.080
We're gonna go 20 minutes on this material. I mean, yeah, it's. It's. At a certain point, you got to set an expedition. Expedition or expiration date on a friendship.
You just be like, you know what? We'll get. We'll get a side tech thread going. Like, I don't think we can talk to Sean anymore. Yeah. He just keeps talking about those women.
I've never seen him slap a woman, but he talks about it all the time.
Speaker B
00:36:00.120 - 00:36:03.122
I don't know if it's a joke or if it's just his life, but.
Speaker C
00:36:03.226 - 00:36:06.386
But he's also. How bad is Judge Dredd that we're talking about Sean Connor?
Speaker B
00:36:06.418 - 00:36:07.390
Literally, though.
Speaker A
00:36:08.090 - 00:36:12.390
And then someone else comes into the text there, but he's James Bond. Like, shut up, Jimmy.
Speaker B
00:36:13.530 - 00:36:16.322
Third text, dread. I think Jimmy might be out, too.
Speaker A
00:36:16.506 - 00:36:18.722
Jimmy sure loves Sean Connery a lot.
Speaker C
00:36:18.826 - 00:36:23.266
Did you guys care for the opening of Judge Dredd? That was the best part of the whole film. Personally.
Speaker B
00:36:23.298 - 00:36:25.922
I mean, yes, I agree. But no, I still didn't care for it.
Speaker C
00:36:26.026 - 00:36:31.598
Well, the whole comic book scroll through the pages. Marvel would later steal that.
Speaker B
00:36:31.654 - 00:36:31.934
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:36:31.982 - 00:36:37.326
And that would be the opening of every one of their films. And because, as I was noticing, I was like, oh, yeah, that's just Marvel.
Speaker B
00:36:37.438 - 00:36:39.150
It just. It didn't hit it for me.
Speaker C
00:36:39.190 - 00:36:44.654
It didn't even. Like the beginning where the scroll with James Earl Jones talking. I mean.
Speaker B
00:36:44.662 - 00:36:51.742
I mean, it was cool to hear James Earl Jones, but then he never fucking shows up and doesn't even do the ending narration, if there is any. So I'm like, what the fuck?
Speaker C
00:36:51.806 - 00:36:52.462
Isn't any.
Speaker B
00:36:52.566 - 00:36:58.222
Yeah, like, it was. It was just another excuse to pay 100 grand to get someone to record 30 seconds.
Speaker A
00:36:58.286 - 00:36:58.526
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:36:58.558 - 00:37:02.986
It's just throwing more spaghetti at the wall of pop cult culture to be like, this will get people in.
Speaker B
00:37:03.058 - 00:37:10.986
You know, it'll get people into it. Darth Vader. How much cocaine were they on when they were, like, putting this movie together?
Speaker A
00:37:11.058 - 00:37:12.026
Oh, man. Not enough.
Speaker C
00:37:12.098 - 00:37:15.146
Not absolutely not enough. Have you ever watched Maximum Overdrive?
Speaker B
00:37:15.178 - 00:37:15.370
No.
Speaker A
00:37:15.410 - 00:37:15.994
Oh, yeah, dude.
Speaker C
00:37:16.042 - 00:37:17.258
That's a whole cocaine movie.
Speaker A
00:37:17.354 - 00:37:17.818
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:37:17.914 - 00:37:20.010
Stephen King wrote it and directed it.
Speaker A
00:37:20.050 - 00:37:21.594
His only director. Director. Yeah.
Speaker C
00:37:21.642 - 00:37:29.578
He said that he was so blasted on blow that he doesn't remember doing it. Yeah, he's like, there's large chunks here.
Speaker B
00:37:29.634 - 00:37:31.472
Yeah. He doesn't remember riding Cujo either.
Speaker C
00:37:31.586 - 00:37:32.244
That makes sense.
Speaker B
00:37:32.292 - 00:37:32.564
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:37:32.612 - 00:37:36.532
Yeah. Whenever you just. Hey, the. We got a dog outside.
Speaker B
00:37:36.636 - 00:37:36.964
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:37:37.012 - 00:37:37.844
And we're in a car.
Speaker A
00:37:37.932 - 00:37:50.004
Is it kind of weird that I liked Maximum Overdrive? I mean, it's not. The whole soundtrack. It's got. It's got like a zero percent, but the whole soundtrack is AC dc. And there are some cool death scenes.
The. The rolling. What is the cement roller that runs over the guy?
Speaker C
00:37:50.052 - 00:37:52.084
Holy steamroller goes over. Dude.
Speaker B
00:37:52.132 - 00:37:54.372
Yeah. Did you cover that in the previous.
Speaker A
00:37:54.476 - 00:37:54.788
No.
Speaker B
00:37:54.844 - 00:37:55.428
We should do it.
Speaker A
00:37:55.484 - 00:37:55.780
We should.
Speaker C
00:37:55.820 - 00:37:57.428
We should tackle the bat.
Speaker A
00:37:57.444 - 00:37:57.940
You want to come?
Speaker C
00:37:57.980 - 00:38:05.486
Yeah, I've watched a million times. I mean, I didn't watch it without TBS commercial breaks till probably 10, 15 years.
Speaker A
00:38:05.558 - 00:38:05.902
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:38:05.966 - 00:38:06.610
Wow.
Speaker C
00:38:06.950 - 00:38:13.118
And, man, I can go through the greatest hits of that. Steamroller kills somebody. Sony Walkman kills.
Speaker B
00:38:13.134 - 00:38:13.598
Yes.
Speaker A
00:38:13.694 - 00:38:14.574
A vending machine.
Speaker C
00:38:14.622 - 00:38:17.502
Vending machine hits a man in nuts with Coca Cola.
Speaker A
00:38:17.566 - 00:38:17.806
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:38:17.838 - 00:38:19.518
And then bashes his brains out.
Speaker B
00:38:19.574 - 00:38:21.342
It sounds like a cocaine movie.
Speaker A
00:38:21.486 - 00:38:24.958
It's actually very. Emilio Estevez is really good in Italy.
Speaker C
00:38:24.974 - 00:38:26.808
Estevez does a bang up job.
Speaker A
00:38:26.864 - 00:38:27.240
Yes.
Speaker C
00:38:27.320 - 00:38:32.648
And it also has the voice of Lisa Sampson. It has one other person.
Speaker A
00:38:32.704 - 00:38:37.320
I can't remember. Yes. We should definitely cover it. We should tackle some movies that are. That are considered bad.
Speaker C
00:38:37.360 - 00:38:38.136
That'd be really funny.
Speaker A
00:38:38.168 - 00:38:58.352
Yeah. Last rando. So not only did they not really deliver, you know, in terms of the movie, but they also pissed off the. The Die Hard Dread fans.
The way they did that was. And again, I haven't read them now I'm really curious now to read them, but apparently in the comics, he never takes his helmet off. Ever.
And when he does, the very few times he does, it's always obscured.
Speaker B
00:38:58.416 - 00:38:58.752
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:38:58.816 - 00:39:08.320
So his face, like. I think I did a lot of research. I could never find a definite number, but like three times, I think in the comics it says he took his helmet off.
But it's either A shadow or something's blocked. You never see.
Speaker B
00:39:08.360 - 00:39:12.896
Well, that was the very beginning of. Of dread, was his helmet is off, but he's completely in shadow.
Speaker A
00:39:12.928 - 00:39:17.648
Yeah. And then he doesn't take it off again. And the fans, it totally pissed off the Die Hards.
Speaker B
00:39:17.664 - 00:39:17.958
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:39:18.024 - 00:39:24.282
So they couldn't. They couldn't wow the new audience, they pissed off the. The. The loyal fans, so they just missed the mark.
Speaker B
00:39:24.386 - 00:39:27.114
All cause Sly wanted people to see his ugly face.
Speaker A
00:39:27.282 - 00:39:30.970
Yes. And that was a big part of it. It was like, well, we got Sly here. We're going to show his face.
Speaker B
00:39:31.010 - 00:39:31.370
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:39:31.450 - 00:39:33.386
I mean, I guess it does make sense in a way.
Speaker B
00:39:33.458 - 00:39:38.074
Oh, yeah. Because don't adapt something if you're not going to follow it.
Speaker C
00:39:38.242 - 00:39:42.550
Yeah. Well, that's everything. Yeah, that's every single thing.
Speaker A
00:39:43.250 - 00:39:47.270
Shall we execute judge? And what does he say?
Speaker B
00:39:48.370 - 00:39:49.626
Judge, jury, execution.
Speaker A
00:39:49.658 - 00:39:54.666
Shall we judge, jury and executioner. Shall we voice activate the gun?
Speaker B
00:39:54.778 - 00:40:05.434
I do have to say real quick, technically, and yes, I'm gonna throw shade at you again, technically, according to your metric on previous movies, this actually is a good movie because it doesn't follow the. The source. Oh, my God.
Speaker A
00:40:05.482 - 00:40:07.418
You try to hold me to everything I say.
Speaker B
00:40:07.554 - 00:40:19.062
Absolutely will. He shits on my favorite movies because he's just like, oh, this sucked.
And I'm like, it followed the source material pretty greatly, and everyone who loved the source material loved it. Like, I don't give a fuck material.
Speaker A
00:40:19.126 - 00:40:21.130
When I'm not a fan of the source material.
Speaker B
00:40:21.470 - 00:40:23.210
You don't know the source material.
Speaker A
00:40:24.030 - 00:40:26.166
But I don't have to. That's my point.
Speaker C
00:40:26.238 - 00:40:27.254
On both sides of this.
Speaker B
00:40:27.342 - 00:40:27.686
What.
Speaker C
00:40:27.758 - 00:40:31.414
Give me an example of the movies that you might be talking about.
Speaker B
00:40:31.502 - 00:40:34.534
He hated the Adventures of Tin Tin, which I don't know if you ever saw.
Speaker C
00:40:34.622 - 00:40:35.718
Watched it, so I can't really.
Speaker B
00:40:35.774 - 00:40:39.046
And he hated all the Zack Snyder movies. Superman.
Speaker A
00:40:39.158 - 00:40:43.718
Yeah, I. I liked a lot of parts of the Snyder cut. I liked a lot of parts, but not.
Speaker C
00:40:43.774 - 00:40:55.394
Oh, I didn't. It just was too long. Personally. I watched, what was it, the Justice League movie or whatever in the theater and just went, oh, yeah, we did.
Speaker B
00:40:55.402 - 00:40:57.522
A whole episode on that one. It's fucking terrible.
Speaker C
00:40:57.586 - 00:41:12.222
Yeah, it's really bad. But I mean, when the Snyder cut came out, it's just like, okay, we took all the bad parts and spread them out and then put more shit in between.
And I'm like, okay, it's still bad now. It's just. Just long and bad.
Speaker A
00:41:12.326 - 00:41:12.654
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:41:12.702 - 00:41:17.358
And some of it's in black and white, but I get. I get.
Speaker B
00:41:17.414 - 00:41:18.782
Anywho, I was just throwing shade at.
Speaker A
00:41:18.806 - 00:41:19.822
Him like, it's funny.
Speaker C
00:41:19.886 - 00:41:20.894
But if I may.
Speaker A
00:41:20.982 - 00:41:21.678
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:41:21.774 - 00:41:32.606
There is a crossroads of source material and actually making a movie, and I think we all know that you can't put. You can't just put straight page to movie because there's so much that you can't.
Speaker B
00:41:32.718 - 00:41:57.330
That's why the second Hunger Games pissed me off so much, because it ended exactly like the book, where it ends on a cliffhanger instead of doing what Peter Jackson did with Lord of the Rings and moving things around so that the end of each movie felt like a conclusion. Didn't feel like a cliffhanger, even though it was more so. No, I completely agree. You have to make some sacrifices when.
But he makes these sweeping, definitive statements every now and then, and I love finding moments where I can just throw it back at him.
Speaker A
00:41:57.450 - 00:42:09.622
Yeah, well. And I. I have been hypocritical, and here's how I've been hypocritical. I do love to read, and so I do love source material, and I do. I do when I.
When I'm not familiar with it, though. And I'll be honest. When I'm not familiar. Like, I haven't read the Superman comics.
Speaker B
00:42:09.686 - 00:42:09.926
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:42:09.958 - 00:42:17.254
I still want to like the movie, and I want to feel like the movie was made in a way, like, sure, enjoy your source material, but I don't know it. So make me a movie I still want to watch.
Speaker C
00:42:17.342 - 00:42:17.974
That makes sense.
Speaker A
00:42:18.022 - 00:42:29.410
And that's kind of where. That's what I really mean, because I've read all.
So I've read 50 Stephen King books, and, like, when I watch those, I am evaluating his source material. But most people, especially now, don't read.
Speaker B
00:42:30.190 - 00:42:32.690
Your wife, like, 10. 10. So I'm right.
Speaker A
00:42:33.470 - 00:42:35.122
Yeah. She. Ye. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker C
00:42:35.186 - 00:42:37.826
Two on one. I don't like this. I don't like this.
Speaker A
00:42:37.898 - 00:42:46.270
There's a fourth person in the room you don't even know about. So for the scores, if yes. Affirm. Affirmative. Dig it. I love it. I am the law.
Speaker B
00:42:46.570 - 00:42:47.154
Hell, yeah.
Speaker A
00:42:47.202 - 00:42:55.458
And I, I, I went a little off script here. If you don't like it. No, don't be judgy. Don't be judgy. All right.
Speaker B
00:42:55.514 - 00:42:57.042
Something you should live by.
Speaker C
00:42:57.226 - 00:42:58.790
Don't be judgy.
Speaker A
00:42:59.770 - 00:43:09.286
So top Bill cast and I, this is. Didn't make it to my randos, but you. We were all talking about Rob Schneider. You know who was first off for that role? Joe Pesci.
And he turned it down.
Speaker B
00:43:09.438 - 00:43:10.374
I wonder why.
Speaker A
00:43:10.462 - 00:43:14.614
He was gonna be. Forget my third favorite actor of all Time. Joe Pesci.
Speaker C
00:43:14.662 - 00:43:16.310
I'm jumping in on this Joe Pesci thing.
Speaker A
00:43:16.350 - 00:43:18.630
Dude, Joe Pesci would have changed the whole movie.
Speaker C
00:43:18.790 - 00:43:19.686
He would have been great.
Speaker B
00:43:19.758 - 00:43:21.174
But I, I could understand why he.
Speaker A
00:43:21.182 - 00:43:23.094
Would have been like, look at him at home alone.
Speaker B
00:43:23.142 - 00:43:23.606
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:43:23.718 - 00:43:27.622
He does comedy. And my cousin Vinnie, like, when you put him in a comedic role, he's great.
Speaker B
00:43:27.726 - 00:43:31.372
I wonder if he was on the Arnold side of things and didn't want to work with Sly.
Speaker A
00:43:31.566 - 00:43:35.200
He may have. And, well, and if, you know, we read the scripts. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:43:35.360 - 00:43:37.760
Again, the script was different when they first shot it.
Speaker C
00:43:37.800 - 00:43:38.208
That's true.
Speaker B
00:43:38.224 - 00:43:44.544
That's like they, they shot a drama. It's like an action drama and turned it like reshot it into an action comedy.
Speaker A
00:43:44.592 - 00:43:44.960
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:43:45.040 - 00:44:02.050
It sounds like what happened with, with Suicide Squad.
Like, he, he put like, edited a full out Snyder cut BVs, like toned drama and they reshot it without him and it got turned into a Guardians of the Galaxy rip off cartoon. Yeah.
Speaker A
00:44:02.200 - 00:44:08.206
Yeah. And if you know anything about Joe Pesci is my third favorite actor of all time.
And when you read about, like, he is not the kind of guy that would put up with that.
Speaker B
00:44:08.278 - 00:44:08.526
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:44:08.558 - 00:44:09.694
He's just not like, he's.
Speaker B
00:44:09.742 - 00:44:15.214
That's why I wonder if, like, he, he did not like Sly and just wouldn't work with him. Because that would happen a lot back then.
Speaker A
00:44:15.302 - 00:44:15.790
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:44:15.870 - 00:44:19.182
You would try to get another major actor somewhere and they just be like, I can't work with that guy.
Speaker A
00:44:19.246 - 00:44:32.362
Yeah. Like, literally, when, when he got cast in Raging Bull, he had given up on acting. He was managing an Italian restaurant.
Robert De Niro begged Scorsese to put patient, but Pesci had given up on acting. And so now, like, when you watch his Oscar speech, he has the shortest Oscar speech of all time. He says like three words.
Speaker B
00:44:32.426 - 00:44:32.826
Oh, wow.
Speaker A
00:44:32.858 - 00:44:40.138
He's like, thank you. He just does not. I can't imagine him on stage with slide. Be like, you fucking. You care about this way too much.
Speaker B
00:44:40.194 - 00:44:45.466
Yeah. But so we got Sly. We got Rob Schneider.
Speaker A
00:44:45.578 - 00:44:48.042
Sly. And Armand Desante as Rico.
Speaker B
00:44:48.106 - 00:44:49.898
Okay. Diane Lane's not considered top build.
Speaker A
00:44:49.954 - 00:44:51.034
She's not interesting.
Speaker B
00:44:51.082 - 00:44:51.354
Okay.
Speaker A
00:44:51.402 - 00:44:52.750
She's in the supporting.
Speaker C
00:44:53.090 - 00:44:56.120
Is that two Oscar winners in this movie?
Speaker A
00:44:56.280 - 00:45:01.224
Yeah, yeah. Rob Schneider for the water boy.
Speaker C
00:45:01.272 - 00:45:01.720
Come on.
Speaker B
00:45:01.760 - 00:45:09.544
Yeah, I gotta go. Don't be judgy. I think the. What was the villain's name?
Speaker C
00:45:09.632 - 00:45:10.104
Rico.
Speaker B
00:45:10.152 - 00:45:11.864
No, not the, not the character, the actor.
Speaker A
00:45:11.912 - 00:45:12.984
Oh, Armand Assante.
Speaker B
00:45:13.032 - 00:45:21.606
Yeah. I thought he did a very good job, but he could not save that movie and everything that Sly and Rob Schneider did on screen. Was just abysmal.
Speaker A
00:45:21.638 - 00:45:22.182
Yes.
Speaker B
00:45:22.326 - 00:45:24.598
I gotta give it a don't be judgy.
Speaker C
00:45:24.774 - 00:45:30.214
A ditto. It's. It just feels like it had the moving parts to make a fun action movie.
Speaker B
00:45:30.262 - 00:45:30.582
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:30.646 - 00:45:32.374
And I mean, at points it was fun.
Speaker B
00:45:32.462 - 00:45:33.222
There were good moments.
Speaker C
00:45:33.286 - 00:45:43.062
Cool. Seeing the city. I thought they did great on that. Yeah. The lack of. For some odd reason, the lack of violence.
I'm like, yeah, come on, give me a little blood.
Speaker B
00:45:43.126 - 00:45:43.414
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:43.462 - 00:45:49.758
Just something also, I. Once again, it's dinosaurs making material for young people.
Speaker B
00:45:49.814 - 00:45:50.094
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:45:50.142 - 00:45:50.414
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:45:50.462 - 00:45:53.518
And then they just have like, you know, we're a bad gang and we're.
Speaker B
00:45:53.534 - 00:45:55.486
In this and we eat people.
Speaker C
00:45:55.638 - 00:46:02.622
Yeah.
Well, I was thinking at the beginning when Rob Schneider goes, well, I guess this is my new apartment that they just give you after you get out of prison.
Speaker B
00:46:02.686 - 00:46:03.246
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:46:03.358 - 00:46:06.270
And he just goes up there and they're just like, hey, we're a whole gang.
Speaker B
00:46:06.350 - 00:46:06.654
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:46:06.702 - 00:46:07.838
And he's like, oh.
Speaker B
00:46:07.934 - 00:46:09.918
And then he hides in the spaghetti machine.
Speaker C
00:46:10.014 - 00:46:11.806
Yeah. He hides in a spaghetti robot.
Speaker B
00:46:11.838 - 00:46:12.238
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:46:12.334 - 00:46:23.236
And. But I'm just saying that that whole gang was even like, yeah, we're going to get these coppers. You don't even understand.
And I'm like, okay, come here. See, like so from the rip, it's. It doesn't make sense.
Speaker B
00:46:23.268 - 00:46:23.572
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:46:23.636 - 00:46:33.140
Like they could have just. My personal opinion. Rob Schneider could have just been like a low level street informant. That.
And that's where Joe Pesci, I think would have fucking killed in this.
Speaker A
00:46:33.180 - 00:46:34.644
Yeah. He would have brought some gravitas.
Speaker C
00:46:34.692 - 00:46:44.998
Yeah. Just being like, change that script around. He's low level. Don't be judgy. That's where going.
It's like, I'm just going to sit here and just be like, let's keep rewriting the movie. It ain't going to change anything. It's a 30 year old movie.
Speaker B
00:46:45.094 - 00:46:50.250
Also, how hard of a pivot is it to go from Joe Pesi to goddamn Rob Schneider?
Speaker A
00:46:50.670 - 00:46:52.294
And I love you, Rob Schneider.
Speaker C
00:46:52.342 - 00:46:53.062
You're hilarious.
Speaker A
00:46:53.126 - 00:47:00.070
I think your standup is great. You have played so many great comedic roles with Adam Sandler, but you up here. But this was horrible.
Speaker C
00:47:00.150 - 00:47:01.910
This was all a cash grab. It had to be, right?
Speaker B
00:47:01.950 - 00:47:02.374
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:47:02.422 - 00:47:03.814
Just everybody's like, I want to know.
Speaker B
00:47:03.822 - 00:47:04.582
What he got paid.
Speaker A
00:47:04.646 - 00:47:11.304
You just made a point that I didn't even think about. You just blew my mind. The there was. If you're looking at the speed on a car.
Speaker B
00:47:11.392 - 00:47:11.752
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:47:11.816 - 00:47:23.512
Or look, let's look at cars. Ferraris, Honda Civics. Fucking between the Toyota Corolla, Rob Schneider and the fucking Ferrari that is Joe Pesci. There was no. No Lexus.
Speaker B
00:47:23.576 - 00:47:23.848
No.
Speaker A
00:47:23.904 - 00:47:25.096
Or no. Really?
Speaker B
00:47:25.168 - 00:47:25.944
Give me an Audi.
Speaker A
00:47:25.992 - 00:47:28.152
There was no dependable family car in the middle.
Speaker B
00:47:28.216 - 00:47:30.760
Give me a low level Mercedes Benz. Like, come on.
Speaker A
00:47:30.800 - 00:47:34.140
Yeah. Even we talked about Michael Madsen.
Speaker B
00:47:34.200 - 00:47:34.436
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:47:34.468 - 00:47:42.564
And he's in everything. He's had almost a thousand roles. Like, he probably was around. Like there was no Michael. Matt. Like just nobody that could maybe be in the middle.
Speaker B
00:47:42.612 - 00:47:42.836
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:47:42.868 - 00:47:44.916
Between fucking Rob Schneider and Joe Pesci.
Speaker B
00:47:44.948 - 00:47:47.160
Hell, Chevy Chase would have done better. Yes.
Speaker C
00:47:48.140 - 00:47:52.260
Had Rob Schneider done anything at this point? I mean, other than snl, Home Alone.
Speaker B
00:47:52.340 - 00:47:53.316
Sure, he had done some.
Speaker A
00:47:53.388 - 00:47:56.052
I think he had done Home Alone 2. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:47:56.116 - 00:47:56.548
That was.
Speaker A
00:47:56.604 - 00:47:59.840
Which he's really funny in. That's a Rob. That's a great Rob Schneider role.
Speaker C
00:48:00.460 - 00:48:05.634
Well, I'm just trying to think of like, you know, sometimes you just. You see that star, it's just like catching fire.
Speaker A
00:48:05.722 - 00:48:06.178
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:48:06.274 - 00:48:14.018
And then they're just on everything. Like we were just saying, like my. Well, maybe not Michael Madsen. I think that he just will take whatever role. He doesn't worry about money.
Speaker A
00:48:14.074 - 00:48:15.682
He's got a retirement account somewhere.
Speaker C
00:48:15.746 - 00:48:16.114
Absolutely.
Speaker A
00:48:16.162 - 00:48:16.930
And it's blowing up.
Speaker C
00:48:16.970 - 00:48:27.954
I was thinking he worries less about money because it's just like kind of like you're a gig worker. You're out here driving for UberEats, and then it pops up McDonald's and you're like, take it. Yeah. Next one pops up like a five star restaurant.
Speaker A
00:48:28.002 - 00:48:31.148
You're like Tarantino, CSI Miami, whatever the.
Speaker C
00:48:31.204 - 00:48:33.468
Whatever you want to give me. It's all money. I work.
Speaker A
00:48:33.524 - 00:48:34.092
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:48:34.236 - 00:48:37.788
So he had done Home Alone 2. He had done Surf Ninjas.
Speaker A
00:48:37.964 - 00:48:41.720
Oh, I love surf Ninjas. It's so bad, but it's so fun.
Speaker B
00:48:42.100 - 00:48:44.108
Demolition man, the Beverly Hill.
Speaker A
00:48:44.204 - 00:48:45.884
Another Sylvester Stallone movie.
Speaker B
00:48:45.932 - 00:48:46.156
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:48:46.188 - 00:48:47.100
It all makes sense now.
Speaker A
00:48:47.140 - 00:48:47.404
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:48:47.452 - 00:48:48.428
That's why he's in this.
Speaker B
00:48:48.484 - 00:48:58.980
Yeah. Then he did the Beverly Hillbillies was on. He was really on Saturday Night Live that whole time.
And then quit Saturday Night Live and then did Judge Dread.
Speaker A
00:48:59.100 - 00:49:00.052
Wow. Dude. That.
Speaker C
00:49:00.076 - 00:49:01.732
This was his big jump into movies, I bet.
Speaker B
00:49:01.756 - 00:49:01.956
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:49:01.988 - 00:49:03.732
He's like, this is a big popcorn movie.
Speaker B
00:49:03.796 - 00:49:03.988
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:49:04.004 - 00:49:04.196
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:49:04.228 - 00:49:07.140
I'm gone. This is my second big popcorn movie. Because.
Speaker B
00:49:07.180 - 00:49:07.588
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:49:07.684 - 00:49:12.148
I mean, I haven't watched Demolition. It's good a long time. But I would often get it confused with Judge.
Speaker A
00:49:12.244 - 00:49:13.796
Same. Same.
Speaker C
00:49:13.948 - 00:49:14.596
So.
Speaker A
00:49:14.748 - 00:49:32.216
So during the 90s, I always mix these two movies up. They both had action figures. Slies in both of them. Yeah. So they're both dystopian. Ish. Yep. I also go, don't Be judgy. And here's.
I hate this because this. This is the first time in Movie wars history I've gone against Sylvester Stallone. I really. You guys don't.
Speaker B
00:49:32.328 - 00:49:34.504
I'm sure we can find some other ones that you would.
Speaker A
00:49:34.592 - 00:49:35.784
Yes, you could. But. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:49:35.832 - 00:49:37.720
Go watch his old pornos or.
Speaker A
00:49:37.840 - 00:49:46.920
Or Stop where my mom will shoot. Or Oscar. I mean, you can. You can find a bunch, but when it comes to Rambo, when it comes to Rocky, COBRA is top 50. I've seen Cobra over 100 times.
Speaker B
00:49:46.960 - 00:49:47.224
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:49:47.272 - 00:49:56.654
I literally. You guys don't get it. When I grew up, I worshiped Slide. Or, like, they were my heroes. They were my heroes. That's why I didn't.
I liked Batman, but I didn't like superheroes because Arnold and Sly.
Speaker B
00:49:56.702 - 00:49:56.926
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:49:56.958 - 00:49:57.934
Were my superheroes.
Speaker C
00:49:57.982 - 00:49:58.302
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:49:58.366 - 00:50:10.942
Fucking. What is this thing? Sly, what did you do? I can't talk to my friends about this. You know, it's. It fudgeing. And here's the thing.
There are glimpses where. Where he would deliver a line that's a little more Judge Dreddish.
Speaker B
00:50:11.006 - 00:50:11.246
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:50:11.278 - 00:50:24.504
And I think that would have worked. Like, there are. Sylvester Stallone could have worked in this role if the helmet thing. If they would have maybe stuck to the source material here.
I know, I know. But if they actually would have stuck to it and if he would have.
Speaker B
00:50:24.512 - 00:50:26.184
Just adapted it correctly.
Speaker A
00:50:26.232 - 00:50:33.048
Yeah. And if he just would have backed up and just said, I didn't write this, and direct it. But he can't do that. And it was fine with Cobra, but not here.
Speaker B
00:50:33.104 - 00:50:33.384
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:50:33.432 - 00:50:38.984
Yeah. They were basically just making, like, RoboCop lot.
Speaker B
00:50:39.072 - 00:50:39.528
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:50:39.624 - 00:50:48.216
He even moved like RoboCop. I wrote this all down in my phone. Yeah. Where I was like, here's a scene that I know. Stolen Rico at the super prison as Hannibal Lector.
Speaker A
00:50:48.248 - 00:50:48.968
Yep, Yep.
Speaker C
00:50:49.064 - 00:50:54.632
Exactly like Hannibal. His back was turned. With his hands behind his back, he turns around like, oh, hello.
Speaker B
00:50:54.696 - 00:50:55.144
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
00:50:55.192 - 00:51:01.384
And all that. But Sylvester Stallone moves like robocop. He moves like an unoiled machine.
Speaker B
00:51:01.432 - 00:51:02.056
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:51:02.088 - 00:51:05.656
And then. Then you have. When did a Fifth Element come out?
Speaker B
00:51:05.808 - 00:51:06.712
The 80s.
Speaker A
00:51:06.856 - 00:51:11.394
No, right. Bruce Willis. No, I think 95.
Speaker C
00:51:11.512 - 00:51:12.158
Somewhere in there.
Speaker A
00:51:12.214 - 00:51:12.590
Hold on.
Speaker C
00:51:12.630 - 00:51:14.574
But it had elements of the fifth element.
Speaker A
00:51:14.622 - 00:51:15.262
97.
Speaker C
00:51:15.366 - 00:51:19.966
Okay. So it came out late 90s, so I was totally wrong about that. But it felt like the Fifth Element at points.
Speaker A
00:51:20.038 - 00:51:22.590
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker B
00:51:22.670 - 00:51:23.678
I think of what you were thinking.
Speaker A
00:51:23.694 - 00:51:24.606
Of the Third Element.
Speaker B
00:51:24.718 - 00:51:25.710
Oh, maybe I can.
Speaker C
00:51:25.750 - 00:51:26.370
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:51:26.950 - 00:51:31.886
Gary Oldman is in that. And that was Mila Jokovich's Yeah. Debut.
Speaker B
00:51:31.998 - 00:51:32.414
Okay.
Speaker A
00:51:32.462 - 00:51:33.370
Yeah, great.
Speaker B
00:51:34.150 - 00:51:35.086
That was end of the 80s.
Speaker A
00:51:35.118 - 00:51:58.454
For some reason, we are not being judgy. It is 0 to 1. Here we go. Sly, you. You abandoned your boy. Yes, you did. Supporting cast. You like in Ponchow as Judge Griffin.
I hate when I have to say fancy names because I'm from Arkansas. Judge Fargo, played by Max Von Sedo. Diane Lane is Judge Hershey. And I think that's pretty much all we need to say. There's a bunch of other ones.
Speaker C
00:51:58.502 - 00:52:02.886
Bonsa Doe was on a bunch of stuff, right? Like, he was almost like an accomplished actor.
Speaker A
00:52:02.918 - 00:52:07.142
Yeah, he was like, I think seven, like 60 or 70 in this, right? Yeah, he was pretty old already. Yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:07.206 - 00:52:12.412
And also, I mean, just the go back on Sly Stallone. He started out with Rocky.
Speaker B
00:52:12.476 - 00:52:13.116
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:13.148 - 00:52:14.316
An Oscar winning film.
Speaker B
00:52:14.388 - 00:52:14.732
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:14.796 - 00:52:15.212
Mistake.
Speaker A
00:52:15.276 - 00:52:15.740
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:15.820 - 00:52:19.084
And everybody was like, wow, who's this guy that used to be in gay porn?
Speaker A
00:52:19.132 - 00:52:19.884
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:19.932 - 00:52:24.572
And then he goes on the Rambo, which First Blood.
Speaker B
00:52:24.636 - 00:52:24.972
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:25.036 - 00:52:26.764
It's amazing. Action drama.
Speaker A
00:52:26.812 - 00:52:27.900
One of the best movies ever.
Speaker B
00:52:28.020 - 00:52:38.828
Acts. He actually acts in it. That's the thing. Comparing him to. To Arnold. I don't care what you say. Arnold cannot act if he has any line.
That is just who he is.
Speaker A
00:52:38.884 - 00:52:40.364
But you hire Arnold to be Arnold.
Speaker B
00:52:40.412 - 00:52:42.524
Exactly. A menacing motherfucker.
Speaker A
00:52:42.572 - 00:52:42.844
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:42.892 - 00:52:44.844
Kindergarten Cop might be his best.
Speaker A
00:52:44.932 - 00:52:45.756
And I mean, amazing.
Speaker C
00:52:45.788 - 00:52:46.540
Wholeheartedly.
Speaker A
00:52:46.620 - 00:52:47.660
Not a tumor.
Speaker C
00:52:47.740 - 00:52:49.372
Yeah. Him just dealing with the kids.
Speaker B
00:52:49.516 - 00:52:49.836
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:52:49.868 - 00:52:50.572
You know, it's.
Speaker B
00:52:50.636 - 00:53:05.580
But then you have Sly, who, despite his. His over the top Italian accent at times, he is a very good actor.
So it's always shocking for me when I see something like this where it's like, yeah, I know you tried, but you, you're just terrible. Like what the happened in Copland he.
Speaker A
00:53:05.620 - 00:53:12.424
Held down with Harvey Keitel and Robert De Niro and Robert Pat. He held that shit down. Half that cast were supporting cast in the Sopranos.
Speaker C
00:53:12.472 - 00:53:12.840
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:53:12.920 - 00:53:14.200
He fucking held that shit down.
Speaker B
00:53:14.240 - 00:53:14.600
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:53:14.680 - 00:53:27.512
Everything you read about after Copland came out was, oh, my God, Sylvester Stallone can act. I was like, yeah, I guess we forgot after First Blood, that's possibly the last real acting role he ever did was first blood.
Speaker B
00:53:27.656 - 00:53:38.760
I mean, two is still good. Like, I haven't ever saw Rambo 3, but first blood 2 was really good.
Others other than rocky 5, I thought he does a great job as Rocky every time he's played him.
Speaker A
00:53:38.800 - 00:53:39.016
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:53:39.048 - 00:53:39.418
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:53:39.504 - 00:53:46.358
Like, even. Even if three and four got a little more hokey in the story, at least he still brought the emotion to the role.
Speaker C
00:53:46.414 - 00:53:49.126
Balboa, just. Maybe it's just this.
Speaker B
00:53:49.198 - 00:53:49.446
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:53:49.478 - 00:53:50.326
What he sucks at.
Speaker B
00:53:50.398 - 00:53:51.622
I Guess I don't know.
Speaker C
00:53:51.646 - 00:53:59.110
This is the movie like we're keep on going like. Well even, you know, Rambo 3. I mean it is nothing but, you know, a big dick.
Speaker A
00:53:59.190 - 00:53:59.990
Fucking awesome.
Speaker C
00:54:00.070 - 00:54:03.510
It is fucking awesome. He's out there helping the Taliban take down the Russians.
Speaker A
00:54:03.590 - 00:54:03.942
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:54:04.006 - 00:54:08.180
And then Rambo or Well, or Rambo4 if you guys have never seen.
Speaker A
00:54:08.220 - 00:54:09.188
All the Rambos are great.
Speaker B
00:54:09.244 - 00:54:09.524
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:54:09.572 - 00:54:13.652
Yes. Every single one. I didn't care much for Last Blood, but it was okay.
Speaker B
00:54:13.796 - 00:54:14.980
Oh, they did make a fifth one.
Speaker A
00:54:15.020 - 00:54:20.756
It was a fun, brutal death. Yeah, I wish they were fun and brutal towards a supported cast.
Speaker B
00:54:20.868 - 00:54:31.732
I even. Sorry, one last thing. I didn't hate him in the Expendables. Oh well, he did fine. And that's the same genre as far as like big action movie.
Like he still can do that.
Speaker A
00:54:31.756 - 00:54:32.348
So.
Speaker B
00:54:32.524 - 00:54:36.844
Yeah, it's a. It's. It's. Don't be judgy on the. On the. Everyone fucking sucked.
Speaker A
00:54:36.892 - 00:54:37.900
Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker C
00:54:37.980 - 00:54:48.652
Will not watch it. Will not watch the Expendables. I'm sorry. If you're going to give me a thoughtless action movie, I would rather watch Judge Dread than expensive.
Speaker A
00:54:48.716 - 00:54:51.372
Oh, he says he just laid it.
Speaker C
00:54:51.396 - 00:54:59.166
Down because they at least are trying to make the movie that the Expendables are making fun of. So I am sick of irony.
Speaker B
00:54:59.268 - 00:55:02.202
I'm sick of people's was making fun of.
Speaker C
00:55:02.226 - 00:55:04.106
Actually I thought it was the whole time.
Speaker B
00:55:04.258 - 00:55:06.730
I didn't. I don't know. I feel like I haven't watched it in a while.
Speaker C
00:55:06.770 - 00:55:13.418
Yeah, me either. But this is what. I probably didn't finish it, to be honest, because I watched all.
Speaker B
00:55:13.474 - 00:55:14.410
I watched all three of them.
Speaker C
00:55:14.450 - 00:55:15.978
Holy. I didn't even know there was three.
Speaker B
00:55:16.034 - 00:55:18.138
Yeah, no, I. I thoroughly enjoyed them.
Speaker A
00:55:18.274 - 00:55:19.770
Josh found them to be Expendable.
Speaker B
00:55:19.850 - 00:55:21.786
Yes. Trash.
Speaker A
00:55:21.978 - 00:55:24.990
Anywho, are they as expendable as a supporting cast?
Speaker C
00:55:25.930 - 00:55:30.270
I like the supporting cast probably better than I like the. The top Bill.
Speaker B
00:55:30.650 - 00:55:33.154
I agree with this deal. I don't know if I was going.
Speaker C
00:55:33.162 - 00:55:42.390
To make a movie I would have the old judge guy. Van whatever. Vaughn, whatever. Diane Lane and who else? Somebody else.
Speaker A
00:55:43.050 - 00:55:47.090
Jurgen Pranchow as Judge Griffin. No. Yeah. Rico was a. Was top bill.
Speaker C
00:55:47.130 - 00:55:47.810
Oh, he's not Bill.
Speaker B
00:55:47.850 - 00:55:52.914
I do take it back. I. I still go. Don't be judgy. But I did like the old guy Judge. Yeah, he did.
Speaker C
00:55:53.002 - 00:55:53.698
He did a great job.
Speaker B
00:55:53.754 - 00:55:54.210
He was great.
Speaker A
00:55:54.250 - 00:56:11.582
But he was a total. He seemed like like guy like in the 60s and 50s was one of the dependable actors of the kind of like Knight and Caddyshack. He was just like the.
Everyone else is horrible. He's got. He's like the consummate. I've been doing this for 80 years. I'm just gonna be a professional and pretend like nothing matters and do my job.
Speaker B
00:56:11.686 - 00:56:13.966
The script is he'll make it sound fine.
Speaker A
00:56:14.158 - 00:56:20.062
Those old actors do that a lot. Like, they'll just show up like, this movie sucks, but that dude's still just a professional over here.
Speaker C
00:56:20.246 - 00:56:30.690
It's like going to see like regional or local professional wrestling. And you just see that guy comes out. He's got a little bit of a belly, but he's still got the gun, still got the tits.
Speaker A
00:56:30.770 - 00:56:31.026
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:56:31.058 - 00:56:40.082
You know, his hair's wet for no reason. And he gets out there and he does all his moves and everything like that. And you're like, good on you, dude. You're 55 years old and gets home.
Speaker A
00:56:40.106 - 00:56:40.994
And puts his kids to bed.
Speaker C
00:56:41.042 - 00:56:50.380
Gets home, yeah. He's like, I gotta get out of here. He wraps his head up where he had to cut it a couple times with a razor blade. Exactly.
And kisses his 20 year old son good night. I love that.
Speaker A
00:56:50.500 - 00:56:52.220
That's a really good comparison.
Speaker C
00:56:52.380 - 00:56:56.444
Yeah, I love those actors. So I'm gonna say, what was the. The good one?
Speaker A
00:56:56.532 - 00:56:58.268
The good one is I am the law.
Speaker C
00:56:58.324 - 00:57:03.980
I am the law for the supporting. And I think it's just because Diane Lane's in it. She's a good actress. Yeah, it's not good.
Speaker B
00:57:04.100 - 00:57:05.484
She's not good at this at all.
Speaker C
00:57:05.572 - 00:57:06.364
She could be.
Speaker A
00:57:06.452 - 00:57:28.060
I'm. Yeah, I'm trying so hard to like what.
But I, you know, and that's funny because we always make fun of me on Snyder, but how complimentary of Diane Lane was I? Every episode I. Absolutely everything she did, I loved. She was my favorite part. Part in a lot of the movie besides the Batman stuff. But I loved her.
And then I'm watching her here. I'm like, what the. You're younger here. You're supposed to be spunky here where you won an Oscar, like, what are you doing?
Speaker C
00:57:28.100 - 00:57:35.532
And this is her cash grab too. All of them were just like, hey, I can go into indie films or whatever I want to after I make.
Speaker B
00:57:35.556 - 00:57:45.956
This amount for $90 million for this movie. Yeah, a lot of it had to because it. Yeah, a lot of it had to go to the cast and. And maybe the animation.
But it did not seem like a lot went into anything else.
Speaker C
00:57:45.988 - 00:57:50.612
I mean, from the looks of the animation that had to go. It was like Sylvester Stallone animation.
Speaker A
00:57:50.676 - 00:57:57.380
Yeah, yeah. $80 million to Sylvester and royalties. Knowing him, he probably still getting royalties, too.
Speaker B
00:57:57.420 - 00:57:57.716
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:57:57.748 - 00:58:02.228
I'll do it for 75, you know, five points.
Speaker A
00:58:02.364 - 00:58:25.596
I'll nail down the acting. My thoughts, like Armando Sante agree with you. Like, in the top, Bill did great. I don't think Rob Schneider knew how to act. So I don't necessarily.
I think he showed up as Rob Schneider to be Rob Schneider. I don't blame him. But still, it's horrible. And then I get to supporting. I'm. I'm like, I love what you said.
Like, I love some of these older, like, consistent. Been. Been in the industry, professional actors. But it wasn't enough to overcome the fact. I'm like Diane Lane. I've seen you do so much.
Speaker B
00:58:25.668 - 00:58:26.108
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:58:26.204 - 00:58:28.172
And then. Yeah. So I give it a. Don't be judgy.
Speaker B
00:58:28.236 - 00:58:52.532
I'm at the point with a movie like this, I want to know what the acting looked like or sounded like before the adr. I want to know what the performance sounded like on set. Because something I've noticed, and this is coming from having done ADR before, it is.
You have to be a very skilled actor and a very skilled director to be able to get a great performance out of ADR.
Speaker A
00:58:52.596 - 00:58:52.884
Yeah.
Speaker B
00:58:52.932 - 00:59:00.596
Because if it does not even 100% match the tone on the face, if it's at 99, it's still. Something feels off.
Speaker C
00:59:00.668 - 00:59:01.588
What's ADR?
Speaker B
00:59:01.684 - 00:59:16.026
ADR is. Is. It's got a bunch of different names. It's mostly known as automatic dialogue replacement. It's where you wipe out all the sound of the movie.
They come in, record their voiceovers, and then eventually you send it to the other guy to do Foley, Sergio Leon.
Speaker C
00:59:16.218 - 00:59:22.762
Spaghetti Western stuff, if you guys are familiar with those. They just take out all the dialogue and then make it sound so weird.
Speaker B
00:59:22.826 - 00:59:23.306
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:59:23.418 - 00:59:25.750
And. But for some odd reason, those movies are so good.
Speaker B
00:59:27.090 - 00:59:27.514
Yeah.
Speaker C
00:59:27.562 - 00:59:27.882
Yeah.
Speaker A
00:59:27.946 - 00:59:29.402
Even Clint's overdubbing himself.
Speaker B
00:59:29.466 - 00:59:41.196
Yeah. And back in the day, it was especially needed because film reels on the cameras were so loud that half the time the audio from set was unusable.
You just had it as a reference for when you went and recorded the.
Speaker A
00:59:41.268 - 00:59:43.996
Now it's a filter on. On an audio interface.
Speaker B
00:59:44.108 - 01:00:07.380
Well, also, cameras are silent, so it doesn't even matter. Like, you can. You can use. That's why sound mixing became a category at the Oscars for a little while was because it used to just be best sound.
Now it's back to best sound. But they had editing and mixing because mixing was on set. Editing was posting sound.
So that's like, once cameras got quieter, you were actually able to use your onset sound more often.
Speaker C
01:00:07.420 - 01:00:09.332
Yeah. So you could use a boom mic that actually.
Speaker B
01:00:09.436 - 01:00:10.244
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
01:00:10.292 - 01:00:12.400
That picks up something other than.
Speaker B
01:00:12.700 - 01:00:14.532
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker A
01:00:14.596 - 01:00:16.276
I kind of missed the sound of that old film.
Speaker B
01:00:16.348 - 01:00:16.788
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:00:16.884 - 01:00:19.060
Zero to two, less G. Be judged.
Speaker B
01:00:19.140 - 01:00:19.860
Here we go.
Speaker A
01:00:19.980 - 01:00:40.482
All right, Writing. And this is where I couldn't get the. Wait to get to. So obviously, you have the people that created the characters. You have Josh. John Wagner.
Not Josh Wagner. Carlos Esquera. And then. But this is crazy. William Wisher was one of the screenplay writers. He wrote you're going to die.
When I tell you what he wrote. He wrote T1, T2.
Speaker B
01:00:40.586 - 01:00:41.058
Nice.
Speaker A
01:00:41.154 - 01:00:43.346
With James Cameron. And then Stephen.
Speaker C
01:00:43.538 - 01:00:44.210
Oh, I know.
Speaker B
01:00:44.250 - 01:00:44.882
Okay.
Speaker A
01:00:45.026 - 01:00:53.634
And Stephen E. D. Souza wrote Die Hard and Commando. All four of those movies are in my top 50. And he wrote.
Speaker C
01:00:53.682 - 01:00:54.066
They wrote.
Speaker A
01:00:54.098 - 01:00:58.308
I'm telling you, you got all these people that have done some good. What happened?
Speaker B
01:00:58.404 - 01:00:58.708
This.
Speaker C
01:00:58.764 - 01:01:01.204
Once again, this has to be executives.
Speaker B
01:01:01.252 - 01:01:05.172
Well, yeah, because I was about to say, I want to know what the script looked like for the NC17 version.
Speaker A
01:01:05.236 - 01:01:05.620
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:01:05.700 - 01:01:23.108
Because whenever there's reshoots, that comes with rewrites. And a lot of times you won't bring on the original screenwriters to do that.
It'll be executives going through and even Sly probably going through and redoing the rewrites, but they are still legally obligated to be credited as the writers and.
Speaker C
01:01:23.164 - 01:01:28.200
Probably treated the original script as a treatment. Be like, yeah, this is a good.
Speaker B
01:01:28.500 - 01:01:33.612
Well, they shot it. That's the other thing is they shot it like somewhere that. That cut exists somewhere.
Speaker C
01:01:33.676 - 01:01:36.412
No, it doesn't. Somebody threw that in a garbage.
Speaker B
01:01:36.476 - 01:01:54.828
I mean, it's possible, but I'm saying a lot of times they'll. They'll keep them in the vault. Like, they'll have the first cut of it just to keep it for. For archive sake.
But it's like somewhere, allegedly this exists. And I would love to see what it looked like before all the re. The. The re.
Shoots, rewrites, because there could have been a really good script in here.
Speaker C
01:01:54.884 - 01:01:56.592
You guys understand money at all?
Speaker B
01:01:56.676 - 01:01:57.336
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
01:01:57.448 - 01:02:09.272
Okay. Well, I. I guess I don't, because I would say you have a generation or maybe generations of people that just consume content.
Speaker B
01:02:09.376 - 01:02:09.800
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:02:09.880 - 01:02:15.000
Just like that thing that was like eating the universe in one of those Guardians of Galaxy movies or whatever.
Speaker A
01:02:15.080 - 01:02:15.896
Lingelier.
Speaker C
01:02:16.008 - 01:02:16.728
Is that what it was?
Speaker A
01:02:16.784 - 01:02:18.780
I know the link. Lears by Stephen King.
Speaker C
01:02:20.000 - 01:02:34.354
We have to get on a plane and it has to. To go at this certain. Just to outrun the time Eating. But we, we as a public now, that's what we do. We just consume. We just munch constantly.
We're just big fat slobs just munching, munching, munching.
Speaker A
01:02:34.402 - 01:02:34.818
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:02:34.914 - 01:02:43.970
And you in a vault, you own a vault that just so happens to have the original cut of Judge Dread. I don't know what, you have it.
Speaker B
01:02:44.010 - 01:02:44.274
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:02:44.322 - 01:02:51.374
And you're like, what should I do with this? And then you look at it and then you put it back in a vault and then you lock it with an old set of keys.
Speaker B
01:02:51.442 - 01:02:51.862
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:02:51.926 - 01:02:59.302
And then you set those keys somewhere else where you can't find them. And right there is at least bare minimum $5 million.
Speaker B
01:02:59.366 - 01:03:00.010
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:01.070 - 01:03:24.866
Why don't you release that? I, you know, you could go to Vinegar syndrome. Are you guys familiar?
Vinegar Syndrome, that like puts out all the DVD re releases of like, old schlocky movies, horror movies and shit like this. You could go to them and be like, here's what you're going to do. You're going to sell this as the uncut, original NC17 version.
You're going to give me 75%. You keep 25.
Speaker B
01:03:24.938 - 01:03:25.330
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:25.410 - 01:03:32.978
And then. Well, whenever we cross a certain barrier, we'll renegotiate if we even get to it. And I guarantee everybody will make money.
Speaker B
01:03:33.034 - 01:03:33.570
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:33.650 - 01:03:36.290
Because people. The Snyder cut that I did not care for.
Speaker B
01:03:36.330 - 01:03:36.722
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:36.786 - 01:03:38.578
People fucking jacked hard to it.
Speaker B
01:03:38.634 - 01:03:42.786
Oh, yeah. It was the number one HBO viewed thing ever at the time.
Speaker C
01:03:42.858 - 01:03:43.394
Exactly.
Speaker B
01:03:43.442 - 01:03:43.714
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:43.762 - 01:03:46.274
After saying that original cut was garbage.
Speaker B
01:03:46.322 - 01:03:46.630
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:46.690 - 01:03:53.854
And then you bring out a much more extended cut that I don't think was a whole lot better. It was somewhat better. It was definitely better.
Speaker B
01:03:53.942 - 01:03:54.494
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:54.622 - 01:03:56.478
But. And people ate that up.
Speaker B
01:03:56.534 - 01:03:57.022
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
01:03:57.086 - 01:04:08.894
And you know, HBO made some money off that. Everybody got to, you know, make some money. So here's in the business of making money. Why not just fucking make it?
So show us the thing we want to fucking see.
Speaker B
01:04:08.982 - 01:04:30.366
Here's my thought. It's a. It's on film reels. It's not digitally saved. So it's going to be much more difficult to go back, find it, make sure the film's in good shape.
Like, make sure. And then on top of that, you have to rescan the film. You have to go through and make sure that the color correction is good.
Like it would cost them easily a solid $20 million to put out the film.
Speaker C
01:04:30.438 - 01:04:32.286
How many billionaires are in America?
Speaker B
01:04:32.398 - 01:04:32.926
So many.
Speaker A
01:04:32.998 - 01:04:33.614
Four.
Speaker C
01:04:33.782 - 01:04:35.918
We need. Even if there's only four.
Speaker B
01:04:35.974 - 01:04:36.574
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:04:36.702 - 01:04:39.710
Can't you just go to one of these crazy people if one of them.
Speaker B
01:04:39.750 - 01:05:31.310
Cared, then I'm sure maybe like it really just comes down to like a. Who holds the copyrights, how many companies hold the copyrights. Can you get them all together to agree to release this other version? Can you get.
Make sure that you have permission from everyone who was in it in the original version? There's so many contracts. I agree with you.
It seems like a no brainer, but I also know easily could cost 20, $25 million just to put out a cut that already exists. Probably because it cost them another, I think $50 million to make the Snyder cut.
Even though it was already like edited together and they only had to reshoot or shoot one additional scene. Like it just, it gets expensive. So I don't blame them because it probably would only make 5 million and that's a 20 million dollar loss.
Speaker C
01:05:31.430 - 01:05:32.366
Yeah, maybe so.
Speaker B
01:05:32.438 - 01:05:32.830
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:05:32.910 - 01:05:34.654
But do you blame the writers?
Speaker C
01:05:34.782 - 01:05:36.430
Oh, I. Oh, yeah, yeah, sorry.
Speaker A
01:05:36.510 - 01:05:41.134
No, no, I love it, I love it. But I also, you know, but I love it. I'm not trying to be addict.
Speaker C
01:05:41.182 - 01:05:44.700
No, no, no, no. It's so really you. Somebody has to keep me on track. I love it.
Speaker B
01:05:44.820 - 01:06:03.804
Everything you're saying is amazing based on what came out. Unfortunately, I got to give them a Don't be judgy again.
That's where I'm like, I would love to see the original cut and the original script because it's, it's, it's when I know how much studio interference comes into it. I can't fully blame the screenwriters, but yeah, the product that was placed before us, all that we're able to see, I can't give it a good one.
So it's a. Don't be judging.
Speaker A
01:06:03.852 - 01:06:04.284
Don't be judging.
Speaker C
01:06:04.332 - 01:06:10.668
Ditto. Ditto. I mean, it might have, it's, it's like saying you have a girlfriend that goes to the other high school.
Speaker B
01:06:10.724 - 01:06:11.436
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:06:11.628 - 01:06:14.960
Oh, she's so hot. What can I say?
Speaker A
01:06:15.080 - 01:06:16.112
She's gonna be a doctor.
Speaker C
01:06:16.176 - 01:06:26.272
She's locked in a vault somewhere. It'll cost $50 million to get her out. So, I mean, you'd hear, here's the girl that I'm seeing now. It's like, well, she is covered in.
Speaker A
01:06:26.296 - 01:06:28.672
Warts and toothless, but she has big tits.
Speaker C
01:06:28.736 - 01:06:31.072
That's the, the hottest part about her is the lack of tape.
Speaker A
01:06:31.136 - 01:06:34.656
Yeah. Very shiny gums. They're not meth gums, they're just shiny gums.
Speaker C
01:06:34.688 - 01:06:36.048
Yeah, just like a turtle.
Speaker B
01:06:36.224 - 01:06:38.020
Very smooth blow jobs.
Speaker A
01:06:39.250 - 01:07:00.730
I do the same, man. I, I hate it because I'm just like looking for something to like, sink my teeth into.
And knowing what these writers have done, I feel bad for them because now that I know, again, like you said, I can't give it a. Can't give it positive because of that. Like, it's. It is what it is.
But yeah, knowing that between those four movies I mentioned that are all in my top 50, like, there was a great script out there at one point. You know it.
Speaker B
01:07:00.770 - 01:07:01.082
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:07:01.146 - 01:07:04.346
I mean, these guys. I mean, James Cameron is ruthless on scripts.
Speaker B
01:07:04.378 - 01:07:04.730
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:07:04.810 - 01:07:19.498
Ruthless. And like, there's no way that these guys were hacks hanging out with James Cameron. Right. In Terminator and, you know, so anyway. Yeah.
So don't be judging directing. Danny Cannon, same thing.
Speaker B
01:07:19.634 - 01:07:25.594
I don't know what he originally directed and I don't know if he considers himself to have actually directed the final product.
Speaker A
01:07:25.682 - 01:07:26.234
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:07:26.362 - 01:07:45.562
Because David Ayer does not consider himself the director of Suicide Squad by the. By the time the. The. The recuts were done. So. But again, same thing. It's what's in front of us. He's the one who's credited with it.
And unfortunately, I gotta give it. Gotta give it a. Don't be judgy. It just wasn't good.
There were moments, like we've all said, there were tiny moments here and there where I'm like, I could see there.
Speaker A
01:07:45.586 - 01:07:47.594
Might have been something before a movie in there somewhere.
Speaker B
01:07:47.642 - 01:08:03.060
It was kind of like with. With City of Angels, with the Crow. City of Angels, where it's like every now and then there's like. I could see someone tried. Someone gave a there.
But it's just not enough to have made this a. A good movie or even an okay movie. So. Yeah, love it.
Speaker C
01:08:03.360 - 01:08:09.832
I wanna. I wanna be a contrarian and just be like, nah, you.
Speaker A
01:08:09.856 - 01:08:10.744
It was really good.
Speaker C
01:08:10.832 - 01:08:11.288
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:08:11.384 - 01:08:11.880
But.
Speaker B
01:08:12.000 - 01:08:13.336
Top five movies ever made.
Speaker C
01:08:13.408 - 01:08:23.896
It might be one of the first comic book movies outside Dolph Lundgren's the Punisher, that did want to make a. A movie that looked like a comic book. I don't know if you guys have watched off Lundgren's punishment.
Speaker A
01:08:23.928 - 01:08:25.000
Yeah, yeah, I have not.
Speaker B
01:08:25.040 - 01:08:26.824
And they've seen the original clips and videos.
Speaker A
01:08:26.872 - 01:08:30.866
The original flash from the 80s. There was an old Captain America from the 80s.
Speaker B
01:08:30.898 - 01:08:31.298
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:08:31.394 - 01:08:34.850
It was not prevalent. You're right. Swamp Thing. Wes Craven made Swamp Thing.
Speaker C
01:08:34.890 - 01:08:37.250
Swamp Thing was kind of comic bookish.
Speaker B
01:08:37.410 - 01:08:41.378
Literally, it was Batman and Superman and then the Hulk because of the TV show.
Speaker A
01:08:41.434 - 01:08:44.034
Yeah, but it was kind of it. But it's not like today.
Speaker B
01:08:44.122 - 01:08:44.722
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:08:44.866 - 01:08:55.858
No, So, I mean, I want to lock it because of that. Because you could tell the way was setting up the camera and stuff.
They kind of wanted to be torn from the pages of a comic book, at least in my mind a little bit.
Speaker B
01:08:55.914 - 01:09:02.736
It started that way, but as it went on, I just kept noticing how it fell into old ways of shooting.
Speaker C
01:09:02.848 - 01:09:03.184
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:09:03.232 - 01:09:21.728
The film, like, it just. There was so much better technology in the 90s than we even had in the 80s. I mean, the Steadicam was invented in the 70s. They should have used it.
So they could have used it so much in this. But it was all stationary or weird zooms and, like, the look into the distance and. Oh, like, I don't know.
Speaker A
01:09:21.784 - 01:09:26.718
Which is a drastic change for 2012. We don't have to get into it, but the night, Night and day.
Speaker B
01:09:26.774 - 01:09:27.150
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:09:27.230 - 01:09:29.810
Yeah. So I, I didn't, like, don't be judging.
Speaker A
01:09:30.390 - 01:09:32.110
I want to be a contrarian, but I can't.
Speaker C
01:09:32.190 - 01:09:33.566
Yeah, I'm trying my best.
Speaker A
01:09:33.718 - 01:10:18.048
Yeah. I, I. One thing that you mentioned earlier, Josh, that really struck a chord with me was you were talking about how you were seeing.
Seeing, like, scenes from other movies being so heavily infused. And I. There's a total. We've talked about this a lot, Seth.
But there's a difference between, like, the stuff you subconsciously learn as a filmmaker and you put in and then grafting ripoffs. And I literally hate it. And what's funny is this is why I also hated Thunderdome. This.
This did this to Thunderdome, where halfway through, all of a sudden, it's like Thunderdome when they go to the desert. But Thunderdome halfway through was. All of a sudden, it was like Peter Pan. Like, I.
And that's why I hated that one, because I'm such a Die Hard Road Warrior fan. But yes, I'm like. And again, I'm not gonna blame Danny Cannon. This isn't me saying he's a bad director. But this final product was not guided.
Speaker B
01:10:18.144 - 01:10:24.714
Again, it's one of those things where it's like. I don't know how much he had to do with the reshoots, but because he's listed as director, that's just the.
Speaker C
01:10:24.722 - 01:10:25.370
Way I gotta go.
Speaker A
01:10:25.410 - 01:10:31.882
Yep, it's the way we gotta go. And the way it's going is 0 to 4, we're judging the out of this thing. We're about to execute it.
Speaker B
01:10:32.066 - 01:10:34.030
Judge, jury, executioner.
Speaker A
01:10:34.370 - 01:10:38.430
What's in front of a cinematography, production design, sound, costumes, editing.
Speaker B
01:10:39.410 - 01:10:47.578
You know, this is probably the one positive thing I can say about this movie overall is I do think the costumes were good. Mm.
Speaker A
01:10:47.754 - 01:10:48.282
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:10:48.346 - 01:10:54.410
The cinematography was very outdated. But again, if this had come out 10 years prior, it would have been revolutionary.
Speaker C
01:10:54.490 - 01:10:55.290
Absolutely.
Speaker B
01:10:55.450 - 01:11:20.260
So I can't say that it's bad. It just wasn't. It didn't fit with where things had been going. Sound design was fine.
Like, nothing was overly distracting other than just the performance between what was going on on set and what happened in the ADR booth. So I'm gonna give this a squeak over 5.1. I am the law.
Speaker A
01:11:20.640 - 01:11:25.464
You know why you may have liked the suits. I forgot about this rando. I don't know why didn't John, you know who designed the suits?
Speaker B
01:11:25.512 - 01:11:25.816
Who?
Speaker A
01:11:25.888 - 01:11:27.624
Versus Achie. Oh, Shit himself.
Speaker B
01:11:27.672 - 01:11:27.976
Okay.
Speaker A
01:11:28.008 - 01:11:28.360
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:11:28.440 - 01:11:30.540
I thought you're gonna say, like, Hugo Boss.
Speaker A
01:11:32.960 - 01:11:33.700
Night.
Speaker C
01:11:34.240 - 01:11:40.024
I mean, it was almost like that. I mean, that's. I think that's what they were going for, to be like, oh, yeah, this is kind of rss.
Speaker B
01:11:40.152 - 01:11:44.140
I mean, once Star wars happened, everyone wanted the villains to look like Nazis, so.
Speaker C
01:11:44.180 - 01:11:44.396
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:11:44.428 - 01:11:44.780
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:11:44.860 - 01:11:46.156
Nazis wearing samurai helmets.
Speaker B
01:11:46.188 - 01:11:46.800
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:11:48.260 - 01:11:52.300
Let's just blend all the Axis powers together. But leave the Italians out.
Speaker B
01:11:52.340 - 01:11:52.604
Yes.
Speaker A
01:11:52.652 - 01:11:53.280
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:11:54.180 - 01:11:55.100
I don't know.
Speaker A
01:11:55.220 - 01:11:56.204
No. Mussolini.
Speaker C
01:11:56.252 - 01:12:00.844
I love to just bring that up anytime somebody brings up Nazis to be like, you know, like, the Italians.
Speaker A
01:12:00.892 - 01:12:01.068
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:12:01.084 - 01:12:02.924
And they're like, no. I was like, oh, sorry.
Speaker B
01:12:02.972 - 01:12:03.292
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:12:03.356 - 01:12:20.860
They were just the fascists. So anyway, let's talk about Imperial Japan, though, I would say. I mean, it was fine. Yeah. I don't know If I'd go 5.1, I think, because it's.
It's a bit of a slog whenever you watch the movie where you're just kind of, like. It starts out kind of cool, and you're like, all right.
Speaker B
01:12:20.900 - 01:12:21.212
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:12:21.276 - 01:12:26.924
And then it kind of goes. And then, you know, I mean, I kind of like the way that the. The clones look.
Speaker B
01:12:27.012 - 01:12:27.276
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:12:27.308 - 01:12:34.892
But also, if you're gonna make a clone and that has to, like. It had its guts and everything for him, but no mouth. It's just weird.
Speaker B
01:12:34.956 - 01:12:35.600
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:12:36.440 - 01:12:40.512
They all just looked like, you know, some sort of evil demon monster zombie.
Speaker B
01:12:40.576 - 01:12:40.960
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:12:41.040 - 01:12:47.664
Where I was just like. They could have just basically had, like, literally a naked dude. Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
Speaker B
01:12:47.792 - 01:12:51.408
Just had Arnold naked from. From Terminator or Bone.
Speaker A
01:12:51.424 - 01:12:52.320
Tomahawk style.
Speaker C
01:12:52.400 - 01:12:52.608
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:12:52.624 - 01:12:53.780
Oh, absolutely.
Speaker C
01:12:55.560 - 01:13:00.272
I love that filmmaker. But you said 5.1.
Speaker B
01:13:00.376 - 01:13:04.402
Yeah, that's my definition of a squeak over. As far as I can give it a positive.
Speaker C
01:13:04.536 - 01:13:11.998
I guess I can. I'll say all 5.12. But, I mean, it was basically. They nailed the helmet to the most. For the most part.
Speaker B
01:13:12.054 - 01:13:12.690
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:13:13.270 - 01:13:20.782
Given Sly Stallone elevator boots was a Good idea to make him look taller. Maybe the reason why he walked like robocops, maybe.
Speaker A
01:13:20.926 - 01:13:21.294
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:13:21.342 - 01:13:29.854
I mean, everything else. I mean, I love a dystopian future where the clothes on the poor people are like futuristic.
Speaker B
01:13:29.902 - 01:13:30.126
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:13:30.158 - 01:13:30.894
Does that make sense?
Speaker B
01:13:30.942 - 01:13:31.358
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:13:31.454 - 01:13:36.832
I just feel like a dystopian future in a mega city. We would still be kind of dressed the same, just dirty.
Speaker B
01:13:36.896 - 01:13:37.184
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:13:37.232 - 01:13:37.632
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:13:37.696 - 01:13:57.904
So just. Why not go with that? But everybody's got to be like, oh, I'm wearing a jacket with plastic stuff. You know what I mean? Yeah, I just. I don't know.
Yeah, but that takes it down a notch. But I mean, as far as, like the judges themselves, they look cool. I think that the. The big motorcycle.
I like the motorcycles in this movie more than the newer movie.
Speaker A
01:13:58.032 - 01:13:58.496
Interesting.
Speaker C
01:13:58.528 - 01:14:10.348
That's a newer movie and we'll talk about that. It just looked like somebody took a motorcycle and they just hooked a thing. Just start driving. Everybody else is driving a Volkswagen Beetle.
It's weird.
Speaker A
01:14:10.444 - 01:14:31.724
Well, now you guys have painted me in the corner as the most negative guy on a sly movie. I don't like being in this position, but I do like what you said, and I agree. There are moments where I love the voice activated gun as a prop.
Like, that was super cool. I love how it became useful. And the callback of that was really cool. I did like the uniforms that they were.
It's kind of interesting that Versace designed them. That's really crazy.
Speaker B
01:14:31.772 - 01:14:32.140
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:14:32.220 - 01:14:36.364
But another money suck on this movie. Yeah, that's millions of dollars.
Speaker A
01:14:36.412 - 01:14:44.076
Yes, that's. That's a good point. And also, they didn't hire costume designers. They must have hired like, he had them in there. God, that would.
Must have been absorbing.
Speaker B
01:14:44.108 - 01:14:44.604
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:14:44.732 - 01:15:06.552
But yeah, I. Whenever the acting is bad and the.
The story's not going well, I'm like, well, I'm gonna look to the camera work and like, there's nothing unique standing out in the camera work. There's nothing unique in the editing. It just was very.
I think that might have been, maybe even one of the biggest problems with this movie was, aside from that stuff, is the way it captured and presented, it wasn't interesting. Yeah, nothing unique, nothing stands out. So I, I went, don't be judging.
Speaker B
01:15:06.616 - 01:15:18.600
Hey, it's fair. Because I mean, like I said, there were only a couple of things that made it tolerable for me.
If, if the costumes had been even a step below where they were, I probably would have gone. Gone full bad on it. Like, it just. Yeah.
Speaker A
01:15:18.680 - 01:15:28.060
It's now one to four. Maybe the law Exists afterward. Maybe it does actually exist. And I pulled out. I pulled out an old category for this one.
How good are these bad guys, huh?
Speaker B
01:15:28.200 - 01:15:28.932
Not good.
Speaker A
01:15:29.036 - 01:15:29.556
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:15:29.668 - 01:15:32.836
Other than the one main villain, everyone else was just kind of.
Speaker A
01:15:32.988 - 01:15:33.364
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:15:33.412 - 01:15:35.380
Even the cannibals were just annoying.
Speaker A
01:15:35.460 - 01:15:36.996
Yeah. It's like, eat me already.
Speaker B
01:15:37.148 - 01:15:37.524
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:15:37.572 - 01:15:41.320
Herschel from the Walking Dead living out there in the desert.
Speaker B
01:15:42.700 - 01:15:44.932
Yeah. I go, don't be judgy. It was not good.
Speaker C
01:15:45.036 - 01:15:53.412
Yeah, it's. It's okay. So I watch a Batman movie. This is something that about me that was weird to kids whenever I was a kid.
Speaker B
01:15:53.476 - 01:15:53.764
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:15:53.812 - 01:15:54.306
Is that.
Speaker B
01:15:54.388 - 01:15:56.566
Oh, I thought you were going to say, like, just when you hang out with kids.
Speaker C
01:15:56.598 - 01:15:57.974
Just whenever I go, hey, teens.
Speaker B
01:15:58.022 - 01:15:58.650
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:15:59.390 - 01:16:00.742
Sit on the stoop. Huh?
Speaker A
01:16:00.806 - 01:16:02.374
This is a. Josh. At the preschool.
Speaker B
01:16:02.502 - 01:16:04.450
I was your fellow students.
Speaker C
01:16:06.270 - 01:16:15.606
But whenever I was a kid and I would talk about, like, Batman stuff, everybody else was like, batman whooped this guy's ass. And I would always kind of be like, well, the villain was. That's what you go for.
Speaker B
01:16:15.678 - 01:16:16.118
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:16.214 - 01:16:27.446
You go to see him fight the villain. Unless the villains good. Then Batman's not good. Then the whole thing's a wash. Yeah.
And I feel like that's probably what hurt this movie too, is that you have one pretty good villain.
Speaker B
01:16:27.478 - 01:16:27.814
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:27.862 - 01:16:32.742
And then you just kind of started peppering other villains. Like that street gang that's just hanging out an apartment.
Speaker B
01:16:32.806 - 01:16:33.450
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:34.190 - 01:16:40.054
Whatever that means. And then you have, you know, have Rico or whatever trying to be kind of Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker B
01:16:40.102 - 01:16:40.422
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:40.486 - 01:16:44.614
You have the guy on the. The judge council that's obviously a Nazi.
Speaker A
01:16:44.662 - 01:16:45.110
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:45.190 - 01:16:50.326
He's speaking with a German accent. And he helps the other guy so they can like, you know, eradicate people.
Speaker B
01:16:50.398 - 01:16:50.790
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:50.870 - 01:16:58.742
And all this shit. And do you think just saying that on paper, street gang hanging out in apartment Nazis. Hannibal Lecter.
Speaker B
01:16:58.806 - 01:16:59.174
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:16:59.222 - 01:17:04.022
All together against Sylvester Stallone. So that's great. It just wasn't.
Speaker B
01:17:04.086 - 01:17:04.950
Didn't execute it well.
Speaker C
01:17:04.990 - 01:17:19.258
But I will say this. I don't know if I should save this for the Dread episode. Whenever I watch Judge Dread, I liked it more than the first time I watched it.
And whenever I watch Dread, I feel like I liked it a little bit less than interesting.
Speaker B
01:17:19.334 - 01:17:19.906
On.
Speaker A
01:17:20.058 - 01:17:20.482
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:17:20.546 - 01:17:33.042
Maybe I just kind of knew what was coming and I was looking for the positives in the bad and looking for the negatives in the good. But it's. It's definitely. Both were in. So fucking indicative of their time.
Speaker B
01:17:33.146 - 01:17:34.194
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker C
01:17:34.242 - 01:17:44.738
And I won't get into the dread part. Why. Hopefully I'll remember that whenever we do it. But it's just weird to me. What, was I supposed to be bad before I went out on there?
Speaker B
01:17:44.794 - 01:17:45.266
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:17:45.378 - 01:17:46.226
Bad guys sucked.
Speaker B
01:17:46.258 - 01:17:46.870
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:17:48.730 - 01:17:51.482
They never failed. In danger. Nobody was ever in danger.
Speaker B
01:17:51.546 - 01:17:51.962
No.
Speaker A
01:17:52.066 - 01:17:57.642
Yeah. Nothing. Nothing remotely interesting to me. I didn't even like the brother. I didn't even like the RICO story. I didn't.
Speaker C
01:17:57.706 - 01:18:02.362
It was okay. Like you say, if it wasn't for his acting, it would have been completely terrible.
Speaker A
01:18:02.506 - 01:18:33.940
In a city where crime. To me. And this also links back to the writing in a city where, like, it's judges, poor people and criminals. That's it. There's no.
There's no, like, hey, I work for H and R Block. You know, it's like. It's like you couldn't. You had you. This is the storyline. It had to be his brother.
You're telling me, like, out there and like, where everyone else is poor and a criminal, you couldn't find a mama type? It's like, yeah, like, that would have been more interesting. But like, why is this so encapsulated?
Like, why does he have to be, like, related to the judge? Like, you had plenty of options. So it just didn't interest me at all.
Speaker C
01:18:33.980 - 01:18:41.200
Star Wars. Star wars prequels all over. Everybody has to be related. Everybody has to have their fingers in the. Well, in each other.
Speaker A
01:18:41.500 - 01:18:44.692
Yeah. Yeah. In a city crawling with crime, we're still gonna have a brother.
Speaker B
01:18:44.756 - 01:18:57.424
And again, if this had been the third movie in a series, like, yeah, I could justified it because other stuff up. It would have been a great reveal. But to put all of this, like, third movie in the first movie just now.
Speaker A
01:18:57.512 - 01:18:57.920
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:18:58.000 - 01:19:00.592
No, too much. Too much. You tried to do too much.
Speaker A
01:19:00.696 - 01:19:03.680
It's one to six and we. We are.
Speaker B
01:19:03.800 - 01:19:05.072
We're just one to six.
Speaker A
01:19:05.176 - 01:19:08.160
One to six or one to five? Sorry, me in the math.
Speaker B
01:19:08.240 - 01:19:09.088
I thought we had one more.
Speaker A
01:19:09.144 - 01:19:26.482
Math has been hard for me lately. I used to use an Excel file. Now I just use a doc. And it's been rough. Movie wars problems. I actually, this is a brand new category.
We have one for dystopian. Right. Like this dystopian track. But this. This was dystopian. But to me, it was more cyberpunk.
Speaker B
01:19:26.546 - 01:19:26.882
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:19:26.946 - 01:19:39.938
Than it is anything. So your move, punk. To. To quote Clint Eastwood from Dirty Harry, but your move, punk. How do we feel about this as a cyberpunk film? Because this.
When I watched this one thing I did say, and when I watched Dread, I was like, I was thinking about the cyberpunk video game.
Speaker B
01:19:39.994 - 01:19:40.322
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:19:40.386 - 01:19:45.784
I was thinking about a lot of the cyberpunk aesthetic and things like that. How is it as a cyberpunk film?
Speaker B
01:19:45.952 - 01:20:12.736
I think it was fine because it had good source material to pull off of. And. And since they didn't just say fuck the source material like Kyle wants people to, they. They pulled some good stuff out of it.
But I can't say it represents it well, in my opinion. So I am going to go. Don't be judgy. Because while it's just. Okay. It, even for the 90s, was nothing. Nothing new.
Speaker A
01:20:12.808 - 01:20:13.328
Right.
Speaker B
01:20:13.464 - 01:20:23.616
So, yeah, it just. It just felt like rehashed 80s tired tropes that tried to fit into the 90s landscape of filming.
Speaker A
01:20:23.728 - 01:20:24.016
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:20:24.048 - 01:20:25.456
And just didn't work for me.
Speaker C
01:20:25.608 - 01:20:40.304
Yeah, yeah, you said everything I was gonna say. I could make that one quick. It just.
Yeah, it just feels like everything was big and clunky and I feel like in like, you know, like the cyberpunk video game or like, like even steampunk stuff.
Speaker B
01:20:40.352 - 01:20:40.704
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:20:40.752 - 01:20:42.688
Everything is a little bit smoother at points.
Speaker B
01:20:42.744 - 01:20:43.248
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:20:43.344 - 01:20:47.536
And this wasn't. It was just like, they literally just went, just make the gun big.
Speaker B
01:20:47.608 - 01:20:48.000
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:20:48.080 - 01:20:50.352
So it made a gun big. You know, make the.
Speaker B
01:20:50.456 - 01:20:51.872
Even the robot wasn't cool.
Speaker A
01:20:51.936 - 01:20:52.160
No.
Speaker C
01:20:52.200 - 01:20:54.448
The robot was the most pathetic thing in the whole thing.
Speaker B
01:20:54.504 - 01:20:55.140
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:20:55.480 - 01:20:59.472
Because it had armor, but everything that controlled it was exposed.
Speaker B
01:20:59.536 - 01:21:00.112
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:21:00.256 - 01:21:02.142
So even Rob Schneider. Fucking.
Speaker B
01:21:02.296 - 01:21:02.674
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:21:02.722 - 01:21:04.190
Was able to get that thing down.
Speaker C
01:21:05.210 - 01:21:06.834
Like he chewed through it like a rat.
Speaker B
01:21:06.882 - 01:21:07.298
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:21:07.394 - 01:21:22.882
And that's. I mean, that's why even bring that big of a menacing beast out. And at least if you're gonna do it that way, do it like Indiana Jones.
Whenever the big giant Nazi was coming over to fight him and he just pulled his gun and shot him.
Speaker A
01:21:22.906 - 01:21:23.266
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:21:23.298 - 01:21:27.842
I was like, do something like that where at least you're like, oh, God, here comes a fight. Oh, that wasn't a fight at all.
Speaker A
01:21:27.866 - 01:21:28.156
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:21:28.218 - 01:21:28.504
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:21:28.552 - 01:21:33.880
Instead, the letting all the comedy rest on Sly's rewritten one liners. Like there's no embedded comedy. No. Yeah.
Speaker B
01:21:33.960 - 01:21:34.552
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:21:34.696 - 01:21:46.856
Did anybody else think. Because I. I mean, I love Rob Schneider and snl. Whenever he, like, fought the robot afterwards, I was thinking, he going to go making cuppies.
Just like, Mike, just do it, man. This movie sucks. Just do one of your SNL things.
Speaker C
01:21:46.928 - 01:21:53.660
Not only that, that one liner would have worked great considering they were making clones and there he just making guppy.
Speaker A
01:21:55.760 - 01:21:56.600
Opportunity.
Speaker B
01:21:56.680 - 01:21:57.340
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:21:57.930 - 01:22:03.378
I forgot about the clones. That would have been huge. That would have made this movie. This would be seven to zero.
Speaker C
01:22:03.514 - 01:22:03.922
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:22:03.986 - 01:22:06.994
Every category redefined. If he says making copies.
Speaker C
01:22:07.042 - 01:22:11.670
Oh, it'd be like, what do you think about. What do you think about the costume design? Well, I mean, that one joke.
Speaker A
01:22:12.810 - 01:22:13.842
Making copies.
Speaker C
01:22:13.906 - 01:22:14.194
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:22:14.242 - 01:22:20.818
I mean, oh, I'm gonna watch them old SNL now.
Speaker B
01:22:20.874 - 01:22:21.790
There you go.
Speaker A
01:22:22.650 - 01:22:24.178
So you're. You said don't be judgy.
Speaker C
01:22:24.194 - 01:22:25.074
Is that what you meant?
Speaker A
01:22:25.202 - 01:22:58.540
Yeah. I hate to compare it to my favorite film of all time, RoboCop, but it's so funny how in 1987 just. They nailed so many. And.
And the reason they did it, it was. And they didn't even put that much emphasis on the world.
The world building wasn't huge, but they just did little things to kind of show you what kind of world it was. Like the. The. I would. I'd buy that for a dollar TV show that kind of like, runs through it.
I think about when he goes to look at his old house and it's got the real estate robot. It's not a realtor, but it's a robot realtor. Like. Like, there's just little things they speckled in there.
Speaker C
01:22:58.580 - 01:22:58.780
The.
Speaker A
01:22:58.820 - 01:23:09.564
The interviews with citizens. Like, after the massive cop, like acts of violence. They interview the hippie goes like, oh, you know, man.
I mean, like, they just sprinkled in so many things to help you, like, feel like you're in a world.
Speaker B
01:23:09.652 - 01:23:10.012
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:23:10.076 - 01:23:13.244
And to me, this world's completely unexplored in Judge Dread.
Speaker B
01:23:13.292 - 01:23:15.404
I mean, you know, they tried to do too much.
Speaker A
01:23:15.492 - 01:23:15.900
Yeah.
Speaker B
01:23:15.980 - 01:23:19.788
There's like, too much explanation of the world and not enough at the same time.
Speaker A
01:23:19.844 - 01:23:28.406
Not. They're. They're. This is what I learned writing my book with my agent. It was like, you're showing too much or you're telling too much.
You're not showing enough. Like, the difference between show and tell.
Speaker B
01:23:28.478 - 01:23:28.870
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:23:28.950 - 01:23:36.470
Is so huge. And especially now I watch movies that way. Like. Like, you're right.
They told us a lot of things, but it would have been so much more visceral if they would have showed us.
Speaker C
01:23:36.510 - 01:23:37.014
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker A
01:23:37.062 - 01:23:41.366
Kind of like RoboCop does, you know, so. Yeah. Don't be judgy.
Speaker C
01:23:41.398 - 01:23:48.086
I mean, if they're going to steal something, I mean. Yeah. If you're making a movie like that still from RoboCop.
Speaker A
01:23:48.118 - 01:23:50.502
Yeah. Yeah. One of the greatest films of all time.
Speaker C
01:23:50.526 - 01:23:50.774
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:23:50.822 - 01:23:52.170
And my favorite film of all time. Time.
Speaker B
01:23:52.210 - 01:23:52.426
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:23:52.458 - 01:23:53.670
If you guys didn't know.
Speaker C
01:23:55.490 - 01:23:57.626
Box Office Flop, I feel like it was.
Speaker A
01:23:57.698 - 01:23:59.850
Yeah. It bear. I think it barely broke even.
Speaker C
01:23:59.970 - 01:24:00.314
Yeah.
Speaker A
01:24:00.362 - 01:24:00.826
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:00.938 - 01:24:06.730
And then just got huge. I wonder how much money this movie made on the rental shelves.
Speaker A
01:24:06.810 - 01:24:08.154
Oh, it probably made a ton.
Speaker B
01:24:08.202 - 01:24:08.474
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:08.522 - 01:24:30.824
Well, sometimes I Believe that's the reason why big fun, or at least smaller budget fun movies don't exist anymore. Because you don't make a whole lot of movie movies. You don't make a lot of money off of streaming.
And I think that's the reason why during the writers strike and the. The actors strike, the reason why, like Netflix and Hulu and all that was like, we're not opening up our books.
Speaker B
01:24:30.872 - 01:24:31.192
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:31.256 - 01:24:38.216
Because they make all their money off stock shares. And if they open their books and be like, hey, we're operating at a major loss.
Speaker B
01:24:38.288 - 01:24:38.680
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:38.760 - 01:24:41.112
Then people panic, sell their stock.
Speaker B
01:24:41.176 - 01:24:41.576
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:41.608 - 01:24:43.972
Then we don't have Netflix or HBO Max anymore.
Speaker B
01:24:43.986 - 01:24:44.688
Anymore. Yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:44.784 - 01:24:49.136
And I couldn't help but think some of these actors and filmmakers had to know this.
Speaker B
01:24:49.208 - 01:24:49.664
Oh, yeah.
Speaker C
01:24:49.712 - 01:25:04.560
Because since we taken away like the rentals, the VHS, the DVDs, all that, that means there is no second stream of revenue. You take, you make your movie, you put it in a theater, and if it doesn't make money, then it goes to streaming and it really doesn't make money.
Speaker B
01:25:04.600 - 01:25:08.160
Yeah. You just hope Netflix will pay you a decent amount of money to stream it.
Speaker C
01:25:08.200 - 01:25:16.992
And that's the reason why there's so many judge dreads. Like, basically on streaming now, like, anytime you watch an action movie now and you get done and you just go, okay.
Speaker B
01:25:17.056 - 01:25:17.488
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:25:17.584 - 01:25:21.760
And like, there's no meat with them taters. It's all starch, no protein.
Speaker A
01:25:21.840 - 01:25:22.144
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:25:22.192 - 01:25:44.324
And it just sucks. Now, if there was a way to figure that out, please let me know.
I've already said open up a vault, bring out an old film canister, and you'll make a $20 million. And you're like, no, you would lose at least five. Yeah. So I have no idea how to fix this because I want crazy movies to come back.
Like, yeah, Dread in 2012. Pretty crazy movie.
Speaker B
01:25:44.372 - 01:25:44.788
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:25:44.884 - 01:25:53.412
And I guess it did a theatrical run and probably went into the, you know, the last, you know, the death rattle of blockbuster and probably made some.
Speaker B
01:25:53.436 - 01:25:56.260
Money back when Netflix was still really shipping DVDs.
Speaker C
01:25:56.340 - 01:26:08.340
Exactly. And just stuff like that where, you know, I mean, there was a couple of movies that I've watched in the past year or so.
The substance was definitely like a crazy movie that, you know, five years ago wouldn't have been made, or six or seven years.
Speaker B
01:26:08.380 - 01:26:10.160
I just. The monkey. And that was amazing.
Speaker C
01:26:10.240 - 01:26:11.360
Not bad. Really bad.
Speaker B
01:26:11.400 - 01:26:12.448
I've thoroughly enjoyed it.
Speaker C
01:26:12.504 - 01:26:20.896
I do have a hatred of horror comedy because they'll go heavy on the comedy just like this. They went heavy on comedy and not action.
Speaker B
01:26:20.968 - 01:26:21.408
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:26:21.504 - 01:26:24.224
Like the action that they did give you were kind of like, that's fine.
Speaker B
01:26:24.272 - 01:26:24.496
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:26:24.528 - 01:26:31.104
And then they were like, well, here. Here's 75 more jokes in between. I'm like, well, I don't believe there's any danger, so I don't believe any of the action.
Speaker B
01:26:31.192 - 01:26:31.504
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:26:31.552 - 01:26:34.976
And that's what I do with horror comedy. Even though the monkey was pretty fun.
Speaker B
01:26:35.048 - 01:26:35.344
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:26:35.392 - 01:26:45.872
There was. At one point, I was sitting with my girl, and I was just like, hey, I wish they would just stop making jokes.
Just tear somebody's head off already and shut up about it.
Speaker A
01:26:45.896 - 01:26:47.980
I want to see an esophagus right now.
Speaker C
01:26:48.280 - 01:26:50.976
I want to see parts of the lower intestine.
Speaker B
01:26:51.008 - 01:26:51.296
Yeah.
Speaker C
01:26:51.328 - 01:26:53.184
Not all together, just bits and pieces.
Speaker A
01:26:53.232 - 01:26:56.736
I want to see what he had for breakfast Still. Still tucked in the intestine.
Speaker C
01:26:56.768 - 01:26:58.420
I don't want it digested.
Speaker A
01:26:59.240 - 01:27:05.138
Well, we tried not to, but we were very judgy of Judge Dredd and. And Sly, you're still my hero.
Speaker B
01:27:05.154 - 01:27:06.610
I still love you, but you up.
Speaker A
01:27:06.650 - 01:27:12.990
But what. What did you do? What did you do? And if I. I would hate it if I tell people I'm a fan of Sly and they think of this movie. First one.
Speaker B
01:27:15.370 - 01:27:16.018
That.
Speaker A
01:27:16.154 - 01:27:30.672
Yeah, that. But, you know, we're gonna do Dread next, and it's gonna be interesting to see.
You know, you can call it a remake or reboot, but it's based completely on different source material. It's. It's almost a completely different movie, so it'll be interesting to see how that one goes. But until then, I'm Kyle.
Speaker B
01:27:30.746 - 01:27:31.524
I'm Steph.
Speaker C
01:27:31.652 - 01:27:32.820
And I'm still Josh.
Speaker A
01:27:32.900 - 01:27:34.100
That's still Josh. Love, y'all.