Kill Bill Vol. 1
Kyle
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Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. We're back with my friend Seth in Seth's house.
Seth
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What's up, y'all?
Kyle
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And we have Matthew Blevins. Yeah. Hey, it's about time.
Blevo
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I'm here in studio in the flesh.
Kyle
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In the flesh in person, not just digital.
Seth
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And, hey, Harrison Ford has joined us. He might end up on camera.
Blevo
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There's a cat named Harrison Ford that making evil eyes at me.
Seth
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Oh, no, he's harmless.
Kyle
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You haven't come out in a while, Harrison. It's been a while, buddy.
Seth
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He's not gay.
Kyle
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Oh, it's true. I bet he gets a lot of tail. We are talking about. Well, actually, no. I want to go back to Matthew real quick.
If you listen to the Mad Max, the very first thing I did when I reignited this podcast is I went. I was like, we're gonna do Mad Max. And we did it digitally, but we had Matthew doing that. We just wrapped up with Furiosa. So, yeah, we gotta.
Blevo
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We gotta come in better with, like, a better movie after leaving our last series with Furiosa.
Kyle
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Yes.
Blevo
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You know, it just like all of the months of time and effort and watching all of those movies and everything, and then you just end the series on Furiosa.
Kyle
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Yes.
Seth
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I mean, better than ending it on the Crow reboot.
Kyle
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Yeah, that's true. And then I came in here and we did the Northman, and I had. I had so much Anya that week I was on you out. There was no joy in that.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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But, yeah, we did that. And I've been aching to get Matthew in person with Seth and I and Kill Bill.
I talked to you about how him and I were talking about, dude, like, you wanted to be a part of that. So I'm glad to get this arrangement.
Blevo
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Heck yeah. Dude. I haven't gotten. And I haven't gotten to see Seth in a while, so. That's exciting, man. We're gonna. We're gonna tear this podcast up.
Seth
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Absolutely.
Kyle
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But as a reminder, for those that haven't met, Matthew, stand up comedian, previous life, professional film critic. Yeah.
Blevo
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Yeah, it was. Yeah.
Seth
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Hell yeah.
Blevo
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Interesting times. I interviewed Tommy Wizu. That's my.
Seth
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Oh, okay.
Blevo
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Yeah.
Seth
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Is that how he pronounces it?
Blevo
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Yes.
Seth
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Okay.
Blevo
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Yes. Tommy Wisu.
Seth
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That's how no one else pronounces it.
Blevo
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I get it. But I've had. I've had a conversation with him. He's a literal vampire.
Seth
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Oh, no, I believe you. Yeah, I now believe you. I don't believe the way because everyone else says Wiseau. And that's what I've always thought it was. So that's good to know.
Blevo
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They're putting on airs. Putting on airs.
Seth
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Yeah. That makes sense.
Blevo
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Yeah.
Seth
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That's Hollywood.
Kyle
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Yeah. Well, good stuff. So this is going to be great filmmaker.
Seth
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We do. If you want to come hang out on our podcast, please, we would love to have you.
Kyle
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Mr. Wowza.
Blevo
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He was selling underwear at the time, so.
Kyle
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Nice.
Blevo
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Yeah, we might be able to get a sponsorship on that deal here.
Seth
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Hey, I'll take some new underwear.
Kyle
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It's kind of intimidating though. The emerald couch. We got a filmmaker, a film critic, and a complete hack.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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That has no business talking about any.
Seth
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Of it, as we discovered with the Adventures of Tintin.
Kyle
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So fuck that movie.
Seth
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Fuck you.
Kyle
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We are talking about the Kill Bill series. We're going to do one episode per volume. Even though originally they were. They were looked at coming out together.
That was kind of Tarantino's original plan. But, you know, really interesting stretch with Tarantino here. He does a lot of new things with Kill Bill. He's kind of in a lot of.
Seth
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Old things and a lot of old things.
Kyle
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He's kind of. This is an evolution for him in a lot of ways. Like we're a long way from both Reservoir Dogs and we're a long way from Once Upon a Time.
Seth
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Yeah.
Blevo
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And Jackie Brown. So the coming at it from. From the perspective of someone who was a Tarantino fan in 2003, I was 23 years old.
I had already loved all the movies, and Jackie Brown was the last one to come into this new kind of. He hadn't done these genre busting, kind of, you know, trope centric things until Kill Bill.
And now all of a sudden, here's a whole new Tarantino that we hadn't seen before. And where some people kind of discredit the.
The constant references as a filmmaking style, as someone who went down every rabbit hole presented by the Kill Bill universe and all of the movies that kind of influenced and inspired it. It's. It's like that rabbit hole goes deep. And I have a lot of. I guess it's.
It's very interesting to me how someone could take that much stuff and make one piece of art out of it.
Seth
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Yeah. I mean, it definitely has every single genre of Japanese filmmaking in it. You have anime, you have.
You have kung fu movies, you have just a lot of the ways that they do their straight dramas a lot. I noticed a lot of.
Some people might call it copying, some people might call it homage, but a lot of references back to Seven Samurai and Rashomon and a lot of the Kurosawa movies.
Blevo
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Yeah, for sure. And from the very first splash screen where you get that Shaw Brothers, you know, splash screen in the beginning, that, to me, it was like, okay, I.
I need to find out what that logo is about, because it obviously has history. There's some context here. I need to discover this entire world.
Seth
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Yeah.
Blevo
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Which, you know, you're.
By that time, I might have been familiar with like, the 36 chambers of Shaolin or something like that, but then I went down, like a deep dive of all of those films once I saw that Shaw Brothers logo. And then you have Gordon Liu coming in as a character in both movies. Different character in both movies.
His whole filmography, you know, you've got the Chang Che and Lau Kar Leung films of the 60s and 70s from that Shaw Brothers studio. I don't know. It was just. It just opened up whole new passageways of cinema that I hadn't been familiar with before that time.
Seth
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Yeah.
So as someone who was 10 years old when these movies came out, do you think that Japanese film in general was pretty underrated in the US at that time?
Blevo
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So amongst nerds like me and my friends, it wasn't.
Seth
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Yeah.
Blevo
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Because we were all anime geeks at the time. We were. We had already discovered the films of Kurosawa. We were already kind of down those rabbit holes.
It kind of led me to some more of the Hong Kong. Hong Kong cinema that I wasn't familiar with at the time. But, you know, for us, this was like, holy crap.
Someone has taken all these nerdy influences that we love so dearly, feel so.
Seth
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Personal, but I feel like to society, like at that point in time, really, a lot of the. Even just Asian in general, because a lot of the Chinese and Japanese and Korean influences kind of boiled down to, like, Godzilla movies.
Blevo
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Horror started to come into the play a little bit there. Everything was a Japanese horror.
Seth
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But I feel like this was one of the first mainstream American films to really bring that Japanese style of filmmaking into the forefront, into the spotlight.
Blevo
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Yeah, yeah. It. It was the only thing like it I had ever seen at the time from American cinema. And. Yeah, you know, that's.
Kyle
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And a lot of our American filmmakers, like even Scorsese and other directors that we would lump together with. With Tarantino, like, they obviously, even if at the watching level, as a.
Just a civilian, at the director level, there was obviously an admiration because eventually they would. There was be a lot of remakes and things like that that would come along, or American films that were strongly based on premises from Japanese films.
So the influence was definitely brewing amongst directors.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Or auteurs.
Blevo
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Yeah. Because now you've. You've essentially opened the entire Crayola box of cinema all like. You look at a piece like Pulp Fiction.
It is heavily influenced by a lot of the French New Wave films of the 60s, things like that. But no one had taken genre films in such profound way and used it to.
To make like a cinematic masterpiece out of pieces of genres that no one would give a second look. You've got kung fu movies, you've got spaghetti western movies.
All of these little pieces that, you know, one, a director might get influenced by the spaghetti Western genre for, for instance, and then make Last Man Standing or something like that. But you. You never saw quite the. The collage, I guess, of all of these cinematic influences coming together in such a profound way.
And what's interesting is you could go down rabbit holes on every shot in the Kill Bill movies and open yourself to a new world of genres that you hadn't necessarily known about.
Seth
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Oh, definitely.
Blevo
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Like the.
The nurse scene, for instance, as she's walking through the hallways with that split screen that harkens back to Mario Bava in the Italian giallo films. I mean, those. Those don't necessarily.
You don't think of Italian cinema when you think of Kill Bill, but it is one of the most, I guess, as far as national input versus Japan. And like the Hong Kong cinema, obviously Italian cinema is a major player in the Kill Bill movies as well.
Seth
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Well, if you think about it, a lot of the Italian spaghetti Western films that did influence the way Tarantino ended up making movies, a lot of those were inspired by the original Japanese films. Like Kurosawa was weirdly one of the biggest inspirations for most of the Western genre from the 1960s onward, for sure.
Blevo
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In which Kurosawa himself was then influenced by the American Western genre.
Seth
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Exactly.
Blevo
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So it's all this. It's this snake eating its own tail thing.
But to me it's so cool because then what you end up with is like a John Ford who is neither from that Japanese element nor necessarily that the American Western element that existed prior to John Ford. But now he's defined all of these new genre tropes and then you're seeing those genre tropes play out in Tarantino movies.
Seth
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Yeah, yeah, I think it's really interesting. I think he did a really good job because I loved the times where he would put like the Mexican music in.
In instead of where he had been for most of the movie going with, like, 1960s, 1950s rock or with, like, straight Japanese music. Out of nowhere, you have, like, a Mexican mariachi song happening.
Like, he did a really good job at finding all of the different styles of filmmaking because you still get the grindhouse feel that he and Robert Rodriguez perfected so well in the late 90s and early 2000s.
But he brought, like, that style of filmmaking along with these old, traditional ways of making movies that I do think visually blended incredibly together. Unfortunately, I think the pacing is absolutely atrocious.
Now, I went into this expecting to love it again, because I thoroughly enjoyed it the first time I watched it, but I've only seen it one time before this. I came into this ready to love it, and it's a slog to get through it. I tried to watch the first.
I was gonna watch both parts last night, and I got through part one, and I was so mentally exhausted. I never thought there would be a movie that would make the Snyder cut feel fast paced.
And this was such a slog to get through of either, in my opinion. Very needless background. It. It definitely plays like a novel, which for me, as a filmmaker, I don't like that.
There's a reason novels and films are two separate mediums. And. And the way that he structures this storytelling, there's so much unnecessary lingering in certain shots and unnecessary detail.
Like, you could give all of the backstory for all of those characters, even easily in a third of the time, just because for whatever reason. And.
And this is also coming from someone who loved the Hateful Eight, despite how slow that movie is, this felt way more of a slog to get through than that even did for me.
Kyle
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I'm laughing because you literally just described every reason I love Tarantino and I love this film.
Seth
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So well in so many other movies. And. And this was just so over the top that I would. I would be halfway through a scene.
It would take four minutes to get halfway through a scene, and then I'd realize, oh, literally nothing has happened. They've just been staring at each other, talking about things that don't do anything to further the plot or even get to know the characters better.
Like, it's just. And. And.
And normally I don't like to use this way of describing things, especially with Tarantino because he has done such an incredible job at creating his own signature style. But this, to me, was like, the most overindulgent version of Tarantino. I think his pacing was very off with this.
I think the storytelling is fine, but it's like it really comes down to the fact that not much happens over this four hour movie.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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And most of the things that do happen are very drawn out.
Blevo
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And what I find fascinating is each one of those segments, each one of those character introductions, to me it indicates. It's like it's an encapsulation of a particular cinematic movement.
Seth
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Sure.
Blevo
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So you, you, you, you know, you end up with Orenishi and then all of a sudden you've got this whole Lady Snowblood thing that had been unlike anything else in the movie. And for me, it's. I don't know what it is, but the, it still has the capacity.
After endless rewatches in like 22 years of watching this movie, I still get goosebumps.
Seth
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It's got some beautiful moments.
Do not get me wrong, there are some great moments throughout the film, but the fact that when she gets to Bill, there's still an hour left in the movie. I literally was just like, what the actual fuck is going on right now?
It got to the point where I was fast forwarding the scenes of the two of them talking.
Blevo
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That's the best part.
Seth
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It just kept losing me. And in order to be able to like get through the movie, I had to fast forward the parts with her and the daughter I really enjoyed.
But it's just like when, when the last hour of your movie is literally them just sitting there talking. And it's all philosophy. None of it again, moves any part of the story on for this. It just didn't do it for me.
And again, let's like, it's not that I don't like these things in other movies. I have, like, the before trilogy is a great example of dialog, dense philosophical discussions, and that's all the movie is.
But for whatever reason, it works better in that scenario for me than it did here.
Kyle
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I think a lot of it's because, first of all, it's wrapped up in James Carradine's Persona, I think, I think it's harkening back. And again, if you don't, if you're not familiar with the meta level of why Carradine being the one delivering so much of that is. Is interesting.
Yeah, you're right. You're gonna be, you're gonna lose out on that. But also, I almost viewed him, like, he was almost Jesus teaching in parables in so much of those.
Like, there was like, yeah, it was philosophy, but almost everything he speaks of is. He's speaking in parables and lessons and.
Blevo
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All in comic book references as well. Yeah, it's Kind of. It's an interesting.
Kyle
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It's.
Blevo
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It's Tarantino writing his own philosophical, you know, Persona into the movie.
Seth
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It's funny you say that because you have used that exact description to describe why you hate other movies.
Kyle
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Yeah, well, yeah. When it's done. Done a different way. Yeah. Like massive exposition. Yeah, yeah, I do. I do. I criticize exposition.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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It doesn't fade.
Seth
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All this was.
Kyle
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I know. I love. But I dug it for some reason. I dig it this way. No, you're right, Seth. Like calling out my major criticisms.
Seth
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We had. We texted last night because he's literally just like, for.
For example, in theory, Kyle should hate these movies because neither one of them stands on their own as movies. They have to have the other in order to quote it completely.
Kyle
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I quoted James Cameron. I believe that half heartedly. Yeah, I did say that, but multiple times. But it's.
Blevo
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It's two volumes to the. It's not two movies. It's, you know.
Seth
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Oh, no, no, no, I agree with you.
Blevo
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Yeah.
Seth
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But he had, like, when we were talking about the Snyder series, in theory, all three of those movies are part of one conglomerate story. And he was over here saying that, oh, none of them are good because they don't stand on their own. They only set up other movies.
I'm like, well, that's literally all this is.
Kyle
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Now, granted, there's. Go ahead. Sorry.
Blevo
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I was gonna say, as someone, as someone who is married and has had to argue things. It's just whatever you're.
Whatever point I'm trying to make right now, you forget about all the other shit that I said before that we're talking about. Right. And what I'm saying right now is I love everything about the philosophical elements of Kill Bill.
Kyle
00:16:06.490 - 00:16:09.922
Yeah. I am a facilitator of, of the zeitgeist.
Seth
00:16:09.986 - 00:16:10.226
Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:10.258 - 00:16:18.130
I. I have a few thoughts of my own, but I'm just out here stirring the pot. All right. I just. That's my job as the producer. I just stir the pot.
Seth
00:16:18.170 - 00:16:19.026
That's my job today.
Kyle
00:16:19.098 - 00:16:20.594
Yeah, you are. You are definitely.
Seth
00:16:20.722 - 00:16:28.062
No, because, look, I don't. I don't agree necessarily that movies, especially when they're supposed to be part of a bigger thing, have to stand on their own.
Blevo
00:16:28.086 - 00:16:28.366
Sure.
Seth
00:16:28.438 - 00:16:35.166
I'm just throwing it back in his face because, yeah, he's made fun of several movies like that. And I'm just like, okay, well, here we go.
Kyle
00:16:35.238 - 00:16:38.894
You can say what this really is. You're never gonna forgive me for letting. Making you watch Wicked Prayer.
Seth
00:16:38.942 - 00:16:39.870
No, never, Never.
Kyle
00:16:39.910 - 00:16:41.646
You're never gonna Let me live that ever.
Seth
00:16:41.718 - 00:16:44.330
Any chance I can make you suffer for that? I will.
Kyle
00:16:45.670 - 00:16:46.430
Yeah.
Seth
00:16:46.590 - 00:16:49.214
Remember, folks, he called them the Deftones.
Kyle
00:16:49.262 - 00:16:52.442
That's right. I. I deserve death. Death.
Blevo
00:16:52.546 - 00:16:53.210
Deathtones.
Kyle
00:16:53.290 - 00:16:53.674
The.
Blevo
00:16:53.762 - 00:16:54.058
The.
Seth
00:16:54.114 - 00:16:54.586
Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:54.698 - 00:16:56.234
I deserve death by the guillotine.
Seth
00:16:56.282 - 00:16:59.150
By the guillotine, not Guillotine.
Blevo
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While the Pixies are playing in the background.
Kyle
00:17:02.362 - 00:17:04.778
That's right. Damn it. That's right. Damn it.
Seth
00:17:04.834 - 00:17:09.722
Fun fact. Christopher Lee, who played Saruman in Lord of the Rings, witnessed the final use of the guillotine.
Kyle
00:17:09.786 - 00:17:10.106
Really?
Seth
00:17:10.178 - 00:17:10.522
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:10.586 - 00:17:11.034
Interesting.
Seth
00:17:11.082 - 00:17:11.994
1977.
Kyle
00:17:12.082 - 00:17:13.754
I think it's about time we bring that thing back.
Seth
00:17:13.842 - 00:17:14.590
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:15.420 - 00:17:22.996
You know, before we go into the next. The next thing after the shit on Kyle segment that Seth invented today. No.
Seth
00:17:23.068 - 00:17:25.400
Do you have a bill in your life that needs to be killed?
Kyle
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No, I was just going to say, and we have a category for this, but it is weird and it's interesting. So I definitely can see your perspective. But use the word linger. I actually use that word, but I use it in a positive way.
Seth
00:17:38.204 - 00:17:38.628
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:38.724 - 00:17:57.416
And to me, that's. That is Tarantino's biggest gift and skill is forcing you. Like he did it. The.
The beginning of Inglourious Bastards is literally you just zoned in on this 10 minute conversation knowing who's living under the boards, who's talking, and you're just living with it, knowing, like.
Seth
00:17:57.488 - 00:18:05.540
Yeah, but there's tension there. There's actual tension there in 90 of that style in this movie. I don't feel tension really.
Kyle
00:18:06.080 - 00:18:15.372
I feel a lot of tension in Kill Bill, personally, but. Dude. Yeah, I get it. I. Even in. When he did it in Pulp Fiction is really the first time you see it with the wallet scene.
Seth
00:18:15.436 - 00:18:15.772
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:15.836 - 00:18:34.620
And like just zooming in on it, like just. You're just forced to face it. I like how Tarantino does that. And with each film he gets better and better at it. I.
I think personally, and I think this is kind of that middle part where he's really coming into his own, forcing you to linger on. On what's on the screen. But I. I dig it, but obviously it didn't do anything for you.
Seth
00:18:34.660 - 00:18:58.618
Yeah. And again, like Django Unchained is my sixth, seventh favorite movie ever made. I think that is the perfect culmination of the Tarantino style.
Things are long when they need to be. Things go very quickly when they need to.
But even in this, when, when things start moving quickly again, you're still going through like a 20 minute battle scene.
Kyle
00:18:58.714 - 00:18:59.034
Yeah.
Seth
00:18:59.082 - 00:19:01.674
That at times just feels too much.
Blevo
00:19:01.762 - 00:19:07.306
Can you believe this? There's a movie that came out in 2003 in theaters. It has a 20 minute battle scene.
Seth
00:19:07.338 - 00:19:07.990
You gu.
Blevo
00:19:08.590 - 00:19:11.846
That's what I'm saying. That's like. You're selling me more.
Kyle
00:19:11.998 - 00:19:13.398
Yeah, I know, right? I'm just like.
Seth
00:19:13.454 - 00:19:20.774
It's like, in theory it should be great, but it's just like there, it. It hit a wall for me where it just crossed the line.
Blevo
00:19:20.862 - 00:19:21.206
Sure.
Kyle
00:19:21.278 - 00:19:21.510
And.
Blevo
00:19:21.550 - 00:19:42.636
And there's so much context in history that comes with each fight sequence as well. Because you're talking about Tori Hanzo and all of the Sonny Chiba movies. Oh, yeah, you're geeking out on.
Because it's like, there's Sonny Chiba right there, man. Street Fighter, Sister Street Fighter, Return of Street Fighter. He's right there, dude. Gordon Liu from like all of the 36 chamber movies and.
Seth
00:19:42.708 - 00:19:43.228
Oh, sure.
Blevo
00:19:43.284 - 00:19:56.188
You know, it's. It's just like this film is just drenched in. In all of those, like honest, cinematic.
All of the forefathers are not only referenced, but brought into the. Into the project.
Seth
00:19:56.324 - 00:20:14.760
Oh, no, I completely get it. And I have a very healthy respect for Japanese cinema and. And these artists.
But not to shit on Kyle again, but to throw something back in his face that he has also said, if you have to have all of this history to be able to understand and appreciate a movie, I think you failed.
Kyle
00:20:14.840 - 00:20:18.856
See, I view this differently, though. I think the backstories are the story.
Seth
00:20:18.928 - 00:20:30.168
Oh, no, no. I'm talking about history of cinema.
If you have to have a healthy understanding of stylistic influences and references to outside media and this and that and this. I think you failed as a storyteller.
Blevo
00:20:30.264 - 00:20:44.228
But there's another way to look at that one too though, is it's like, okay, what am I looking at here? Where are these influences coming from?
And now it's kind of opened up this entire new world for me to where it's like, I need to understand these influences. I need to search these out.
Seth
00:20:44.284 - 00:20:44.644
Yeah.
Blevo
00:20:44.692 - 00:21:03.266
I want to have context for the. For these references. I want to know, you know, who these actors were in their prime. And like that and Kill Bill.
I don't know what it was, but for me, as soon as I saw it, it's like, this is all I'm gonna do now. I'm gonna figure out, like every reference. I'm gonna figure out where that tracksuit came from. I'm gonna figure out where that logo came from.
Kyle
00:21:03.428 - 00:21:17.814
Yeah. And it's also like there are. There are movies that channel influence subconsciously. Like directors, writers are. They're influenced.
And you can see it not because they're Trying to show it to you, but. Because that's just how they were raised.
Seth
00:21:17.862 - 00:21:18.182
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:18.246 - 00:21:46.034
Or that was how they studied. But Tarantino is purposely using a specific set of. Of tools and pants, and he's pulling from. And he is. He's painting with those brushes here.
And I think that's one of the differences I see is. Yes. Like, you can.
You can see influences, and you can see external media and all that, but then we actually have Tarantino here, who's constantly using a very specific toolbox and hues to paint his picture with. And I think. I just think that's how he creates, and I think that's how he makes things.
Seth
00:21:46.122 - 00:21:50.866
Sure. I just. I think he's done it significantly better in most of the other movies.
Blevo
00:21:50.978 - 00:21:52.418
Later, though. Later, though?
Seth
00:21:52.474 - 00:22:03.662
No, I think Pulp Fiction is a significantly better movie, and it's. It was my least favorite Tarantino movie. And now this has become really. Which. This was higher up for me until I rewatched it.
I kind of am mad that I rewatched it.
Kyle
00:22:03.686 - 00:22:04.190
Interesting.
Seth
00:22:04.270 - 00:22:14.350
Would have sat higher for me in hindsight, but looking at it now and again, I'm not saying it's bad. Like. Like, do not take my criticisms as saying that this is a bad movie.
Blevo
00:22:14.430 - 00:22:20.490
No. At him. At Seth Case comedy. So just so you know, just track him down, let him know that he's wrong. I think.
Seth
00:22:21.590 - 00:22:30.664
But. Yeah, the. But in the scale of Tarantino, I think this is one of his biggest fumbles as the. As a whole.
Blevo
00:22:30.822 - 00:22:34.036
Interesting. We haven't. We haven't gotten to Death Proof yet, but that's the only.
Kyle
00:22:34.108 - 00:22:35.044
Yeah, I know.
Seth
00:22:35.212 - 00:22:48.596
The only ones of his that I haven't seen, as far as his official nine are concerned, I haven't seen Jackie Brown, I haven't seen Reservoir Dogs, and I haven't seen Death Proof. Okay, so this is in context of the other seven or six that I have seen.
Kyle
00:22:48.668 - 00:22:51.720
Now, I'm really curious what you would think if you went and watched Death Proof.
Seth
00:22:52.860 - 00:23:35.638
See, that's interesting, because I've. I've heard vastly more mixed things about that one than I've ever heard about Kill Bill.
Kill Bill is like the less douchey version of loving inglorious bastards.
Like, the people that I know who absolutely swear by Kill Bill, I prefer to be around them than the people who think Inglourious Basterds is the greatest movie ever made. It's kind of like Fight Club. Usually those people are just very insufferable to hang out with.
But, yeah, I mean, I know what it was, and I've explained what it was, but yeah, it's just. It has definitely gone to the bottom of his list. But it would still be, like, interesting. A 7 1/2 to 8 out of 10 as far as, like, good movies go.
But in terms of Tarantino, it's bottom run.
Kyle
00:23:35.694 - 00:24:09.168
You actually just generated a question for me for the questions I didn't have. And now I have an amazing question. Okay, but before we get there, are you a disassociated assassin?
Did your master put a baby in you and then try to kill you? You need this podcast. You need it more now than ever. You're in a coma. And I even think.
I even think at a subconscious level, if someone puts earbuds in your ears and you're hearing Movie wars podcast, you are having the best coma of your life. Probably it's a coma you want your friends to experience. Get in on the Movie wars podcast, send it to your friends.
And I know you got a Tarantino fan friend in your life. I know you do.
Seth
00:24:09.304 - 00:24:10.064
We all do.
Kyle
00:24:10.152 - 00:24:16.176
We all do. Or maybe you got these fight club people that keep chasing Seth around, you know, I don't know.
Seth
00:24:16.248 - 00:24:17.920
What do you think? I have so many swords.
Kyle
00:24:18.000 - 00:24:20.480
He has nine swords and a lightsaber.
Seth
00:24:20.560 - 00:24:20.912
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:20.976 - 00:24:28.768
In fact, we showed up, his door was open, and I was still afraid to come in here. I was like, what if he beheads me and beheads Matthew on accident?
Blevo
00:24:28.944 - 00:24:32.560
He's got a wish a motherfucker would. Living room situation happening now.
Kyle
00:24:32.600 - 00:24:32.944
Yes.
Blevo
00:24:32.992 - 00:24:34.288
Yeah. You don't want to mess around.
Kyle
00:24:34.344 - 00:24:40.064
Yeah. Fuck around. Find out. Share Movie wars with your friends. The questions.
Seth
00:24:40.112 - 00:24:40.896
The question.
Kyle
00:24:41.048 - 00:24:45.904
You generated a great question here. So let's take all the feedback that we all just gave.
Seth
00:24:45.952 - 00:24:46.332
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:46.416 - 00:25:17.886
Take it.
How much of our feedback is shaped and kind of pressurized by this 10 film quota that Tarantino that nobody else has ever done, has ever said they're going to do? Scorsese keeps making endless movies, but we know that Tarantino. So as people that talk about film, that's what we're doing.
How much of a weird pressure does that put on how we form opinions, knowing that he's going to have a limited run and knowing that we're almost to the end, like, does that shape how we interpret his films versus if we came in here talking about Scorsese Coppola?
Seth
00:25:18.028 - 00:25:32.426
Not for me. I really. I honestly like that he's decided he wants to go out on top instead of keep making movies into the ground.
Francis Ford Coppola, I think, is a solid example of people who probably should stop Trying to make movies now.
Kyle
00:25:32.498 - 00:25:33.430
Yeah, he should.
Seth
00:25:33.810 - 00:25:46.896
I think Marty Scorsese is pretty damn close to that if he's not already there. Hell, even Spielberg is getting to the point where he should probably just stop because he's had enough misses in with his 10.
Blevo
00:25:46.983 - 00:25:47.376
10.
Seth
00:25:47.528 - 00:25:49.248
No, that one's a solid win.
Kyle
00:25:49.304 - 00:25:50.592
He should have stopped right there.
Seth
00:25:50.696 - 00:25:52.384
Yeah, yeah. No, no.
Kyle
00:25:52.472 - 00:25:53.580
Cap, my ass.
Seth
00:25:55.320 - 00:25:56.448
Well, so many good.
Blevo
00:25:56.504 - 00:26:01.984
The other thing is, is, like, how. How much can you take Tarantino's whole deal at face value? Because it's like he's.
Seth
00:26:02.032 - 00:26:02.672
Oh, 100.
Blevo
00:26:02.776 - 00:26:09.024
He's been saying stuff since I was a teenager, like, my next movie is going to be Star Trek and it's gonna be badass. Or it's.
Seth
00:26:09.072 - 00:26:09.776
Well, he wrote one.
Blevo
00:26:09.848 - 00:26:25.750
He wrote one, right. But it's like Tarantino, every three years is like, holy shit, I never thought that he was going to make that one. And so here's what we get.
He's already turning into the old man that he didn't want to be, you know, making movies that, you know, he's got to be in his 60s by now.
Seth
00:26:25.870 - 00:26:26.550
Something like that.
Blevo
00:26:26.590 - 00:26:27.286
Something like that.
Seth
00:26:27.358 - 00:26:29.270
Late 50s at least, but probably 60s.
Kyle
00:26:29.350 - 00:26:31.830
I don't know. I mean, I just, you know, I just, you know.
Seth
00:26:31.870 - 00:27:10.022
Sorry, I.
So here's the thing that I have heard him say out loud is he's still going to be involved in the making of films, but he's only doing the 10 written and directed by Quentin Tarantino. He's writing other movies. He's actually writing and directing a stage play soon. That's what he. That's what his next project is, is a stage play.
There's other forms of entertainment he's still going to be involved in. And I. I have a feeling he will still direct another movie or two after this, or he'll definitely write a couple more movies.
But it's specifically that credit of written and directed by Quentin Tarantino.
Blevo
00:27:10.086 - 00:27:11.894
He's going to leave it at 10 and call it good.
Seth
00:27:11.982 - 00:27:20.550
Yeah. And I admire it, but it doesn't have any bearing on how I watch his movies, okay? Because the movies are the movies.
Blevo
00:27:20.630 - 00:27:33.398
They'll speak for themselves.
If he ever comes out with one that doesn't speak for itself, then I'll have concerns about the career, because to me, he's almost like Andrei Tarkovsky in a way that the guy never had a miss. Yeah, he never had a miss.
Seth
00:27:33.454 - 00:27:33.734
Yeah.
Blevo
00:27:33.782 - 00:27:38.914
Death Proof comes close to a miss, but that's, you know, I. I think genre movie.
Seth
00:27:38.962 - 00:27:43.730
I think if he'd gone through with what he was saying, his last movie was going to be the Film Critic. It was going to suck.
Blevo
00:27:43.810 - 00:27:44.066
Yeah.
Seth
00:27:44.098 - 00:27:47.330
I'm so glad he threw that away because I was like, this sounds awful.
Kyle
00:27:47.410 - 00:27:53.346
I remember that. Yeah. Death Proof, like Kurt Russell saves that though. He saves that movie big time.
Blevo
00:27:53.418 - 00:28:21.772
And for what it is, for what it's representing too is a fantastic example of a 70s genre movie. And you're going to have weird pacing issues in 70s genre movies. That's the way it is.
But yeah, I didn't feel those pacing issues with Kill Bill, honestly, because it, for me every, every sequence was like a kid in a candy store because it's like, oh, now we get the Italian giallo sequence and it has badass music to accompany it. It's like every piece of it is something that I, I don't know, I geek out all over again.
Seth
00:28:21.876 - 00:28:32.014
Yeah. I don't know. For me, I just feel like every sequence could have been tightened up by five to 10 minutes.
I think this could have been a really good 2 hour 45 minutes single movie.
Blevo
00:28:32.062 - 00:28:48.942
I do agree with that. I think that that first, that's what it was initially supposed to be is like he had talked about having these like a three hour epic.
It's a little too ambitious. But now two 90 minute movies, now you've got something. And then he ends up making like 22 hour 15 minutes.
Seth
00:28:49.006 - 00:29:14.686
Yeah. In total it's literally four hours because the first one's an hour 45, the second one's 215. And yeah, like I said, by the time.
And we're still on the first one, so I'll stick with that and save my criticism of the second one specifically for the second one. But even by the time we got to the crazy 88s, I was like, there's, there's still so much left.
Like we're still, there's another 45 minutes left to this movie and it just, it got, it got very slow.
Kyle
00:29:14.878 - 00:29:15.502
Interesting.
Blevo
00:29:15.566 - 00:29:16.382
Fascinating.
Kyle
00:29:16.526 - 00:29:19.550
Yeah. The pace is why I love it. It's crazy. I'm like absorbed.
Blevo
00:29:19.630 - 00:29:20.686
Frenetic to me.
Kyle
00:29:20.758 - 00:29:21.054
Yeah.
Blevo
00:29:21.102 - 00:29:23.838
So I, you know, but we come from. We're old men now.
Kyle
00:29:23.894 - 00:29:24.638
Yes, we are.
Blevo
00:29:24.694 - 00:29:29.252
I think that age by children. Yeah, yeah. Those two and a half hour run times are an escape.
Seth
00:29:29.366 - 00:29:36.248
I mean remember though, you're talking to the guy who is so down to spend 11 and a half hours in one day watching all three Lord of the Rings back.
Blevo
00:29:36.304 - 00:29:37.112
Oh yeah, yeah.
Seth
00:29:37.176 - 00:30:06.730
Like I am no stranger to long movies and I love, for the most part, I love longer paced movies. A great example recently people completely shat on Zack Snyder's Rebel Moon movies.
But then the director's cuts came out, which was the original way he made the movies significantly better movies. And weirdly, the pacing is better in those movies because it's longer. When you watch the shorter versions, a lot feels like it's missing.
This does the opposite for me.
Blevo
00:30:06.850 - 00:30:07.482
Interesting.
Kyle
00:30:07.546 - 00:30:52.582
Yeah, Yeah, I think. I think, actually, I. It's funny. I'm gonna answer differently here. I. I definitely do think it leaks into my.
How I view these movies, mostly because I do. I. I'm admitted. Tarantino fan. Love him. And I think it's like. It's like innings of baseball.
You know, we're like, getting close to the end, and every time I watch one, I'm thinking we're almost out of these. It's just like. And so it puts this weird pressure on how I view it, and I feel like more. So I'm always stack ranking things. Right.
Like, within director portfolios. But here I'm like, I feel this pressure, like, well, I got to rank them more because he's only going to have 10. It's like, how do they rack up?
You know? And so I'm actually looking at details more. And I do think. I do kind of.
It forces me to, like, really look in places and look in the corners and really assess them in a different way than I would someone else who's. Who doesn't necessarily have that limitation.
Seth
00:30:52.646 - 00:30:53.290
Yeah.
Kyle
00:30:53.640 - 00:31:07.860
So that's interesting. Did anyone else think about what their assassin animal name would be? Because I'm so far removed from the assassin life, but a copperhead, you know?
You know, I'm just like, wow, that's amazing.
Seth
00:31:08.280 - 00:31:14.832
Well, he is my spirit animal. So my. My assassin animal name would be Seth Rogen. Yeah.
Blevo
00:31:14.896 - 00:31:16.304
I was gonna do a pangolin.
Kyle
00:31:16.432 - 00:31:17.220
Yeah.
Seth
00:31:19.330 - 00:31:20.590
The penguin.
Kyle
00:31:21.330 - 00:31:23.850
Yeah. I would definitely be a golden retriever.
Blevo
00:31:23.930 - 00:31:24.778
Yeah, There you go.
Kyle
00:31:24.834 - 00:31:31.626
Yeah. I am not built for the assassin life. I wouldn't make it two seconds in this life. Although I would be the one to get pregnant, though.
Seth
00:31:31.698 - 00:31:32.042
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:32.106 - 00:31:32.442
Yeah.
Seth
00:31:32.506 - 00:31:34.554
I'd probably be the rhino.
Kyle
00:31:34.682 - 00:31:35.130
Yeah.
Seth
00:31:35.210 - 00:31:40.074
Like, I'm a big boy. You don't think I can move that fast? But then I just come at you, and you're like, what the just happened?
Blevo
00:31:40.122 - 00:31:44.874
Yeah. Well, I'd get in a codependent relationship with my, like, handler as well.
Seth
00:31:44.962 - 00:31:45.226
Yeah.
Blevo
00:31:45.258 - 00:31:51.500
Start having, like, having babies and have them come sabotage my wedding, all that. I see me falling into those traps.
Seth
00:31:51.580 - 00:31:55.548
I'd be the rhino. He'd be the bird that, you know, eats the bugs off the rhino's back.
Blevo
00:31:55.604 - 00:31:56.796
It's a symbiotic relationship.
Kyle
00:31:56.828 - 00:31:57.084
Yeah.
Blevo
00:31:57.132 - 00:31:57.836
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:58.028 - 00:32:10.236
When I was in a band and my lead singer described to me we were drinking at a bar in Michigan after a show, and he described him. He's like, you know, I would never want to get in a bar fight with you, Kyle. I was like, why? Because it's. I'm a pansy.
Seth
00:32:10.268 - 00:32:10.428
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:10.444 - 00:32:20.288
Like, I've never been a fight, but I know you can't fight, but you're crazy. He's like, you'd be the guy to smash a beer bottle on your head and eat the glass and, like, scream. Come on.
Seth
00:32:20.344 - 00:32:20.624
You know.
Kyle
00:32:20.632 - 00:32:22.368
He's like, you would freak people out.
Seth
00:32:22.424 - 00:32:22.736
Sure.
Kyle
00:32:22.808 - 00:32:25.728
He's like, you're unpredictable. So that's why I wouldn't fight you in a bar.
Seth
00:32:25.784 - 00:32:26.700
There you go.
Kyle
00:32:27.800 - 00:32:32.672
So whatever that is. Barfly. Is that my animal? Yeah, Barfly.
Seth
00:32:32.736 - 00:32:33.024
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:33.072 - 00:32:38.528
There we go. Barfly. AKA all right. Rando.
Seth
00:32:38.624 - 00:32:42.432
Rando. Hey, that was good.
Kyle
00:32:42.536 - 00:32:43.920
Oh, yeah. He's had some practice.
Seth
00:32:44.000 - 00:32:44.836
Hell, yeah.
Kyle
00:32:45.008 - 00:32:47.404
He's brought the randos on occasion.
Seth
00:32:47.532 - 00:32:49.980
He was. He was floored by my first rando.
Kyle
00:32:50.060 - 00:32:50.460
Yeah.
Seth
00:32:50.540 - 00:32:52.780
When I took over for an episode, I was.
Kyle
00:32:52.900 - 00:32:53.964
They had to pick me up.
Blevo
00:32:54.052 - 00:32:54.348
Really.
Kyle
00:32:54.404 - 00:32:55.004
Off the floor.
Seth
00:32:55.052 - 00:32:55.420
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:55.500 - 00:32:58.428
But it's just the chesty nature of it. It was so good.
Blevo
00:32:58.484 - 00:33:00.000
Like a good, chesty rando.
Seth
00:33:01.780 - 00:33:03.468
That's why I hang out downtown.
Kyle
00:33:03.564 - 00:33:11.948
That's right. That baseball that Uma slices in half. That was real. They actually sliced that baseball in half.
Seth
00:33:12.004 - 00:33:12.566
Nice.
Kyle
00:33:12.708 - 00:33:16.994
Yeah, it's. It says here I'm trying to figure out who. Oh, it was her stunt double who cut it in half.
Seth
00:33:17.082 - 00:33:17.490
That makes.
Blevo
00:33:17.530 - 00:33:18.226
Oh, Zoe Bell.
Kyle
00:33:18.258 - 00:33:19.554
Yep, Zoe Bell. Right here.
Seth
00:33:19.642 - 00:33:19.954
Nice.
Kyle
00:33:20.002 - 00:33:22.770
Zoe Bell. Cut it in half and did it on the first try.
Blevo
00:33:22.890 - 00:33:23.378
Wow.
Kyle
00:33:23.474 - 00:33:23.874
Yeah.
Seth
00:33:23.922 - 00:33:25.110
That's fantastic.
Kyle
00:33:25.450 - 00:33:26.354
That's pretty cool.
Seth
00:33:26.402 - 00:33:33.442
Those. Those are the stories you love hearing where it's like some. Some big stunt.
They're like, we really only got, like, two or three of these, and they just nail it. First take.
Kyle
00:33:33.546 - 00:33:39.362
Yes. And it pisses me off, too, because you guys know how much I love commentaries. There were no commentaries for either of these, so I had to, like.
Seth
00:33:39.386 - 00:33:40.738
Does he do commentaries?
Kyle
00:33:40.914 - 00:33:41.666
I don't know.
Blevo
00:33:41.738 - 00:33:42.870
It would be awful.
Kyle
00:33:43.690 - 00:33:44.470
Yeah.
Seth
00:33:46.410 - 00:33:47.218
Yeah.
Blevo
00:33:47.394 - 00:33:58.210
You have to do cocaine prior to listening to the commentary just to be able to. I don't know if he does it, but it would make a lot more sense if he. If you did. Listening to him, it's weird because he.
Kyle
00:33:58.250 - 00:34:09.880
Says that he only makes movies that he wants to watch. That's like, his rule. Like, he makes movies and he. He watches his movies over and over again. Yeah, he thought, I just watched an interview with him.
He's like, I love watching my movies. Like, well, maybe just turn on the microphone for one of them.
Seth
00:34:09.920 - 00:34:15.576
Yeah, well, he literally. He'll do screenings of the. The whole bloody cut of. Of Kill Bill.
Kyle
00:34:15.648 - 00:34:16.136
Yeah.
Seth
00:34:16.248 - 00:34:24.968
At his theater in la. Like, he'll bring. He'll. I think it's. I think it's like a 50, 60 person theater.
And he'll have little events where people come and watch it with him and then he'll do Q&As.
Kyle
00:34:25.064 - 00:34:25.432
Yeah.
Blevo
00:34:25.496 - 00:34:30.100
So which, which, which cuts of the first movie did you guys watch leading up to this?
Seth
00:34:30.560 - 00:34:37.698
I didn't know there were multiple cuts other than the whole bloody cut, which isn't available anywhere to purchase as far as streaming is concerned.
Blevo
00:34:37.794 - 00:34:51.202
Right. No, I have an old DVD copy and there are a few differences. Like the anime sequence is slightly longer.
The Crazy 88 fight sequence in the House of Blue Leaves is in full color through the whole thing. And.
Seth
00:34:51.386 - 00:34:52.866
Oh, instead of switching to black and white.
Blevo
00:34:52.938 - 00:34:53.826
Switching to black and white.
Seth
00:34:53.898 - 00:34:57.538
That was a choice in that scene that I was like, why? Why are we doing.
Blevo
00:34:57.594 - 00:35:02.030
Yeah, well, and it was deliberate. It was because of ratings. They were trying to avoid that.
Seth
00:35:02.810 - 00:35:03.410
Okay.
Blevo
00:35:03.490 - 00:35:07.646
So okay for me is if you've got to make conceits, it's not a bad one.
Seth
00:35:07.718 - 00:35:11.726
No, it just. But that makes sense now. That makes sense. Knowing that.
Kyle
00:35:11.878 - 00:35:16.590
Yeah. So in the scene where own. Am I going to say this right? O Renishi.
Blevo
00:35:16.670 - 00:35:17.934
O. Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:17.982 - 00:35:20.110
Oen Ishii in the part where they're fighting. Right.
Seth
00:35:20.150 - 00:35:20.558
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:20.654 - 00:35:31.278
So the quote that she says, she says, I hope if you. If you haven't saved your energy, you're not. You may not last five minutes.
From the time she says that until her scalp gets cut off is exactly 4 minutes and 59 seconds.
Blevo
00:35:31.374 - 00:35:32.494
Oh, that's really cool.
Kyle
00:35:32.622 - 00:35:39.230
Okay, nice. So actually she didn't need five minutes. It's incredible. That's such a stupid small thing.
Seth
00:35:39.270 - 00:35:41.486
But no, I love when like that happens.
Blevo
00:35:41.518 - 00:35:42.510
Yeah, that's. That's cool.
Seth
00:35:42.590 - 00:35:43.250
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:43.830 - 00:35:57.246
And I even brought a picture for this one, the airplane ticket. You don't know her name in the first one, Right? But her name is clearly printed on the ticket. You see, Beatrix Kiddo.
You have to really look and it's really fast. But her name is actually shown that early in the film.
Seth
00:35:57.318 - 00:35:57.774
Oh, wow.
Blevo
00:35:57.822 - 00:35:58.046
Yeah.
Kyle
00:35:58.078 - 00:36:00.358
But you know, but she's referred to as a bride, so.
Blevo
00:36:00.414 - 00:36:00.774
Sure.
Seth
00:36:00.862 - 00:36:16.038
Hmm. That is another thing. I didn't like how he bleeped out her name in the first one, just like, why. Again, it's like this does.
This doesn't add anything. People clearly know her name. It's not like no one knows her name. So why are we bleeping it out just for you to actually tell us in the next one?
Blevo
00:36:16.094 - 00:36:25.670
I had a heated debate with my friends when I was 23 when we came out of the theater about this very subject. And my conclusion is it's because Tarantino is just a fucking nerd.
Seth
00:36:25.750 - 00:36:26.490
That's.
Blevo
00:36:26.910 - 00:36:52.502
It's just a nerdy thing to do. It's. It's a. It's a little genre piece that you might find.
I'm not sure if there's a direct reference to bleeping out someone's name like that, but if you think about, like, the man with no Name, Westerns and those sort of things where it's not actually spoken, and then, you know, what would you do if it was actually spoken and you wanted to conceal that identity still? You bleep it. I guess it's kind of a neat little dorky thing to do, I guess.
Seth
00:36:52.566 - 00:36:56.814
Yeah. I don't know. Again, just one of those things. It was like, this doesn't make sense.
Blevo
00:36:56.862 - 00:37:00.254
It felt contrived. Yeah, it definitely was. But, you know, I think it would.
Seth
00:37:00.262 - 00:37:03.086
Have been more interesting if they had just used her code name.
Blevo
00:37:03.238 - 00:37:05.470
Right? Just Black Mamba.
Seth
00:37:05.550 - 00:37:05.950
Yeah.
Blevo
00:37:06.030 - 00:37:06.382
Yeah.
Seth
00:37:06.446 - 00:37:13.410
Like, if all the assassins only know her by Black Mamba, and then Bill's the only one who knows her as Beatrix, I think that would have been cooler.
Kyle
00:37:13.750 - 00:37:17.390
Beatrix is a weird name. Is it? Is that a real name?
Seth
00:37:17.430 - 00:37:18.398
Yeah. Beatrix Potter.
Kyle
00:37:18.414 - 00:37:19.730
I know. Beatrice.
Seth
00:37:20.560 - 00:37:21.544
No, with an X.
Kyle
00:37:21.632 - 00:37:22.632
With an X, yes.
Seth
00:37:22.696 - 00:37:23.624
Beatrix Potter.
Kyle
00:37:23.672 - 00:37:24.264
Beatrice.
Seth
00:37:24.312 - 00:37:25.432
Peter Rabbit and all that.
Kyle
00:37:25.536 - 00:37:31.432
Beatrice is someone who churns butter. Beatrix is someone that. That wears leather and whips people.
Seth
00:37:31.536 - 00:37:31.944
Sure.
Kyle
00:37:32.032 - 00:37:33.880
Right. Am I thinking about that? Right.
Blevo
00:37:33.920 - 00:37:34.940
You want to remember?
Seth
00:37:35.280 - 00:37:45.662
Well, the. The suffix tricks actually means woman. So if you're an AVA Tour, you're a man pilot. If you're an AVA tricks, you're a female pilot.
Kyle
00:37:45.856 - 00:37:46.834
Wow, that's.
Seth
00:37:46.882 - 00:37:50.226
Yeah, that's. The actual word for female pilot is aviation.
Kyle
00:37:50.338 - 00:37:57.570
You're some kind of cunning linguist, this guy, in his linguistics. Am I right? Holy. What side of the mountain did you grow up?
Blevo
00:37:57.610 - 00:37:59.090
What was some kind of tricks, like.
Seth
00:37:59.130 - 00:38:00.830
Having college degree or something?
Kyle
00:38:01.210 - 00:38:20.524
I got one too, but it was in Arkansas. The. The number one thing that people do in my school I graduated is like, ffa. Like, they become farmers. This is interesting.
The only member of the assassin crew that dies by the sword is O Ren Everyone else does not get slain by this amazing sword.
Seth
00:38:20.652 - 00:38:22.364
Oh, yeah, no, that makes sense.
Kyle
00:38:22.412 - 00:38:29.036
Five finger palm for Bill. Ls eye plucked out and she runs into like.
Blevo
00:38:29.108 - 00:38:37.030
So she forced him out of retirement, forced him to spend a month making this thing. And then she only uses it once. That's just.
Kyle
00:38:37.180 - 00:38:39.666
I think she kills the 88 with it. Right, though.
Blevo
00:38:39.738 - 00:38:44.530
But not really because she's just chopping off limbs, making them go home with their limbs. I don't know if she actually.
Seth
00:38:44.650 - 00:38:45.714
Well, no, a lot of them are dead.
Blevo
00:38:45.762 - 00:38:46.882
A lot of them are dead because.
Seth
00:38:46.906 - 00:38:50.258
Yeah. I noticed in that scene, like, only about half of them are crawling out.
Blevo
00:38:50.314 - 00:38:55.590
And Gogo Yubari was killed with a wood, like a wooden thing, so. Yeah. Huh.
Kyle
00:38:55.930 - 00:38:57.378
Yeah, it is kind of interesting.
Seth
00:38:57.474 - 00:39:03.170
Maybe. Maybe I missed it because I was bored. Did. I thought he just gave her a sword. I didn't think he made her.
Blevo
00:39:03.210 - 00:39:04.146
No, he made one.
Kyle
00:39:04.218 - 00:39:06.830
You must have been bored, because that's my favorite part, actually.
Blevo
00:39:07.290 - 00:39:12.322
I'm gonna go spend a month. You can hang out in my creepy attic for a month and just train, I guess.
Seth
00:39:12.386 - 00:39:13.218
Yeah, I missed that.
Kyle
00:39:13.274 - 00:39:16.994
Yeah. He told her to practice and he makes her one beautiful sword.
Seth
00:39:17.122 - 00:39:17.810
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:17.970 - 00:39:22.114
Oh. So actually, Uma Thurman got really hurt on the set of this film.
Seth
00:39:22.202 - 00:39:23.218
That's not surprising.
Blevo
00:39:23.314 - 00:39:23.586
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:23.618 - 00:39:39.448
And it actually was for a driving scene. The crew actually came out and said it would be unsafe for her to drive this car.
And Tarantino did not want to do it with cgi, but some of the crew disagreed. Ended up wrecking the car, and she hurt her knee and her wrist and got really jacked up.
Blevo
00:39:39.584 - 00:39:42.232
Yeah. And apparently they didn't work together for a while after that.
Kyle
00:39:42.336 - 00:39:42.664
Yeah.
Blevo
00:39:42.712 - 00:39:45.160
Yeah, she. She wouldn't. They weren't on speaking terms.
Kyle
00:39:45.200 - 00:39:52.104
I guess he had. He had to apologize to her publicly, apparently, for that. So, anyway, those are the randos.
Seth
00:39:52.232 - 00:39:58.100
Did she ever work with him again? I don't think she's been in anything else that he's done since.
Kyle
00:39:58.480 - 00:39:59.864
Yeah, I guess not, because she was.
Seth
00:39:59.872 - 00:40:01.800
In Pulp Fiction and then this, and then that's it.
Kyle
00:40:01.840 - 00:40:03.920
She also has not done a lot in general.
Seth
00:40:05.180 - 00:40:23.092
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she's done stuff. Just nothing like crazy. Like, I know her daughter is kind of jumping into the limelight now, which I think is cool. But it's also.
She's the one who was saying that it's absurd that you have to have X number of followers in order to get cast, even when you're, like, stupidly famous now.
Kyle
00:40:23.196 - 00:40:24.708
Brolin was just talking about that, too.
Seth
00:40:24.764 - 00:40:27.108
And her dad. Yeah.
Kyle
00:40:27.204 - 00:40:29.486
Oh, really? Oh, yeah.
Seth
00:40:29.518 - 00:40:31.214
She's Uma Thurman and Ethan Hawkes.
Kyle
00:40:31.262 - 00:40:36.750
I didn't know that. What a power couple, right? Those Thurman girls, they really can pick them.
Seth
00:40:36.790 - 00:40:45.022
Well, that's why when Tarantino has tossed around the idea of a Kill Bill three, Maya Hawk would play the. The daughter. Yeah.
Kyle
00:40:45.166 - 00:40:48.270
I did not know they were married. Uma's one of my favorite actresses of all time.
Seth
00:40:48.310 - 00:40:50.366
Yeah. I mean, I'm pretty sure they're divorced, but.
Kyle
00:40:50.438 - 00:40:54.574
Oh, yeah, that destroys the whole thing. Poor Maya.
Seth
00:40:54.622 - 00:40:55.134
Yeah.
Kyle
00:40:55.262 - 00:40:56.526
She needs Kill Bill 3.
Seth
00:40:56.598 - 00:40:57.934
Yeah, it's not happening for her.
Kyle
00:40:57.942 - 00:40:58.222
Psych.
Seth
00:40:58.286 - 00:41:00.238
Tarantino is very much said it's not happening.
Kyle
00:41:00.334 - 00:41:01.598
I love it, but I don't need a third.
Blevo
00:41:01.654 - 00:41:03.726
I'll believe it when I don't see it.
Seth
00:41:03.878 - 00:41:05.310
I'll believe it when he's dead.
Kyle
00:41:05.390 - 00:41:07.934
That's right. Shall we kill Bill?
Seth
00:41:08.022 - 00:41:08.638
Let's do it.
Kyle
00:41:08.694 - 00:41:13.662
Shall we get a fancy sword and only kill one of the categories? Yeah, if.
Blevo
00:41:13.686 - 00:41:15.486
Can we spend a month making it?
Kyle
00:41:15.638 - 00:41:16.158
Yeah.
Blevo
00:41:16.254 - 00:41:18.478
I spend months trying to make a point, so.
Seth
00:41:18.534 - 00:41:18.862
Yeah.
Blevo
00:41:18.926 - 00:41:20.778
Yeah, Get a whole ass sword at the end of it.
Kyle
00:41:20.854 - 00:41:22.690
Yeah, there you go. Yeah, there we go.
Blevo
00:41:22.730 - 00:41:23.550
Hanging on.
Kyle
00:41:24.250 - 00:41:30.070
Hell yeah. Let's war. Top Bill cast. Top Kill Bill cast.
Blevo
00:41:30.490 - 00:41:31.970
Oh, I'm going home.
Seth
00:41:32.010 - 00:41:32.722
Are you not gonna.
Blevo
00:41:32.786 - 00:41:35.186
Yeah, I can't do puns. I'm rattled.
Kyle
00:41:35.218 - 00:41:37.630
I'm still rattled from you getting on my ass earlier.
Seth
00:41:38.250 - 00:41:39.746
Barely know, yo.
Kyle
00:41:39.858 - 00:41:48.176
What? Yeah, we're gonna. We're gonna give the crew a break from the barely knower categories.
And there are, you know, and there are no errors, Er, good, er, endings.
Blevo
00:41:48.208 - 00:41:51.024
But I'm sorry, er, endings.
Seth
00:41:51.072 - 00:41:51.328
What?
Blevo
00:41:51.384 - 00:41:52.672
I'm missing something here.
Kyle
00:41:52.776 - 00:41:53.056
It's.
Blevo
00:41:53.088 - 00:41:53.392
It's.
Kyle
00:41:53.456 - 00:42:00.800
It's Movie wars tradition that if something ends in, like, our, like, you know. What was a good example? Barely Knower.
Blevo
00:42:00.960 - 00:42:02.900
It's just Tarantino.
Kyle
00:42:03.640 - 00:42:07.728
It's just us being seven years old. This goes. This is a tradition that goes back five years.
Blevo
00:42:07.784 - 00:42:08.080
All right.
Seth
00:42:08.120 - 00:42:09.616
What's the one we did for the Northman?
Kyle
00:42:09.728 - 00:42:10.944
Oh, Berserker.
Seth
00:42:10.992 - 00:42:11.344
Yeah.
Kyle
00:42:11.392 - 00:42:42.950
Apparently nowhere, because I originally had just picked Berserker and I was like, like, barely know. It was just subconscious. But yes. Positive. Affirmative. Affirmative. That really was a Hanzo sword.
Or you can just say Hansa sword, but that's where it comes from. And then if it's negative. Nay, my favorite quote from the first movie. You don't have a future. I love that. I literally stood up when she saw.
Here we go. Top Kill Bill Cast. Our top build. Uma Thurman, David Carradine, and Daryl Hannah.
Seth
00:42:43.090 - 00:42:44.270
Who did Daryl Hannah play?
Kyle
00:42:44.310 - 00:42:45.246
Daryl Hannah?
Blevo
00:42:45.358 - 00:42:46.370
El Driver.
Kyle
00:42:47.110 - 00:42:48.526
Oh, yeah. Yep.
Seth
00:42:48.638 - 00:42:50.030
Her name is Daryl.
Blevo
00:42:50.190 - 00:42:51.822
Yeah. Her name is Daryl.
Kyle
00:42:51.966 - 00:42:52.334
Yeah.
Seth
00:42:52.382 - 00:42:54.110
I did not know that was a gender neutral name.
Kyle
00:42:54.150 - 00:42:56.830
D A R Y, L. Is it Daryl?
Seth
00:42:56.910 - 00:42:57.646
No, it's Daryl.
Blevo
00:42:57.678 - 00:42:58.046
Daryl.
Kyle
00:42:58.078 - 00:43:05.022
It's Daryl Dale Hannah. I know she looked like somebody else and I remember looking up. I don't know that, but I had seen her. I feel like I'd seen her in something else.
Seth
00:43:05.086 - 00:43:19.124
There's a lot of actors in this I felt like I'd seen in other places. And then I looked through their IMDb and it was like, nope, I really haven't seen you anywhere other than this movie. Movie. I. I give it a Hanzo sword.
I think everyone brought their. Their A game to this and did their absolute best.
Blevo
00:43:19.292 - 00:43:31.012
Yeah, definitely a Hanzo sword.
And it not only you reassess the entire, like David Carradine, like you look back at Kung Fu with a whole new eyes because it's like, this guy's amazing.
Seth
00:43:31.076 - 00:43:31.636
Yeah.
Blevo
00:43:31.748 - 00:43:38.916
He's cool. It's. And then, you know, Daryl Hannah, I think she does her best work in the second movie, but is. Is great in this one too.
Seth
00:43:38.988 - 00:43:46.926
Yeah, yeah, definitely. I. I think even as far as Uma Thurman's concerned, the second one does get a better performance out of her, but this was quite good.
Blevo
00:43:46.998 - 00:43:52.558
Yeah. As far as Uma Therma is concerned, it's like that's a. That's a career defining role.
Seth
00:43:52.614 - 00:43:53.502
Yeah, absolutely.
Blevo
00:43:53.566 - 00:43:54.210
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:54.630 - 00:44:18.372
Yeah. That was a Hanzo sword like this. Uma creates such a aura and she does this in Pulp Fiction too. I don't.
I don't know how to describe it other than like she's. She generates an energy around her, like a mystery, a sexiness or whatever you want to call it.
But there's just like you're watching her like in this role and she's kicking ass, but she still has this like, mysterious vibe around her.
Seth
00:44:18.476 - 00:44:38.318
No, she was really good in Les Mis, actually with Liam Neeson and Geoffrey Rush. Pretty sure she was Fantine killed. It just did an incredible job, really. So now she. It's.
It's sad to see that after this, her career kind of really slowed down because she was like a powerhouse actress of the 90s.
Blevo
00:44:38.494 - 00:45:08.930
Yeah. And it's not just the moments where she's kicking ass that are cool to me.
It's those little subtle human moments that the character has that kind of make the movie for me. You know, it's like that. I'm trying to think of the specific example, like at the.
At The House of Blue Leaves, for example, where it's like Lucy Liu is asking, do you really think it was going to be that easy? And she's like, you know, for a minute, it's like a human moment. It's like real. It plays real. I kind of thought it would be.
Kyle
00:45:08.970 - 00:45:15.938
Yeah, I got that. When she's talking to Hanzo. And her playfulness at the beginning of that conversation is so good, actually. Both of them.
Blevo
00:45:15.994 - 00:45:16.354
Right.
Kyle
00:45:16.442 - 00:45:23.010
The playful discourse and the moment she starts really speaking Japanese, she almost shifts. She goes into third gear.
Blevo
00:45:23.090 - 00:45:38.190
Absolutely. Yeah. And she plays both of those parts perfectly. Like. Like she plays an American tourist in Japan really well.
But knowing that we're all in on the fact that she's not letting everything be known in this moment, she's playing that really well.
Kyle
00:45:38.530 - 00:46:08.340
Yes. All right, so we got a Hanzo sword so far. Beautiful. Yeah, that performance is just killer, dude. Supporting Bill Kill Bill cast. Yeah.
We have Lucy Liu as O Ren Ishii. Someone I don't think gets a lot of credit because she's not in it a lot. But Vivica A Fox is Vernita Green. How did she end up? She got above she.
She was up there in the page. The pay scale for this movie, by the way, to be top three. Michael Madsen is Bud.
Seth
00:46:08.960 - 00:46:12.088
He's the one. I feel like I've seen other places and can't put place him.
Kyle
00:46:12.144 - 00:46:14.248
Oh, he's a Tarantino regular. He's like a.
Seth
00:46:14.304 - 00:46:18.296
Well, I mean, Tarantino. I haven't seen Reservoir Dogs, Free Willy.
Blevo
00:46:18.328 - 00:46:24.072
He's. I haven't seen Free Willy the dad in Free Will, which is the most. It's the most out of type character of anyone ever.
Kyle
00:46:24.176 - 00:46:24.632
Yep.
Blevo
00:46:24.696 - 00:46:25.784
Wholesome family dad.
Kyle
00:46:25.832 - 00:46:28.680
He's everywhere, dude. He in the 90s, he was in all kinds, I think.
Seth
00:46:28.720 - 00:46:37.566
I mean, yeah, I looked through his IMDb. I could not find a single thing that I'm like, I definitely recognize him from this. Things I've seen that I was like, ah, maybe.
But like, I don't know.
Kyle
00:46:37.638 - 00:46:42.930
You may agree with this because you're more familiar with this work, but like, doesn't it feel like in the 90s, like if we need a guy with greased hair.
Blevo
00:46:44.710 - 00:46:49.530
He'S gonna be your guy. Yeah, he might cut an ear off. You never know. Yes, he's willing to do that.
Seth
00:46:50.790 - 00:46:52.846
Julie Brandon Lee.
Kyle
00:46:52.958 - 00:47:04.114
Yes. Oh my God. Julie Dreyfus is Sophie Fatale. And I'm trying to see if there's so many great ones.
Satori Hans and I, unfortunately, I don't want to butcher These. These names, but Sinichi Chiba.
Blevo
00:47:04.242 - 00:47:05.506
Oh, Sunny Chiba.
Kyle
00:47:05.618 - 00:47:05.938
As.
Seth
00:47:05.994 - 00:47:07.666
As you're the Asian one, so.
Kyle
00:47:07.738 - 00:47:19.522
I know, but I'm Filipino. We're weird. We eat earthworms. There's so many good ones. I.
I can't go all the way down this list, but there are just so many great Japanese actors here too. And I want to make sure they get credit. We'll just.
Blevo
00:47:19.546 - 00:47:20.258
Yeah, yeah. Even.
Seth
00:47:20.314 - 00:47:22.130
Even the entire country of Japan.
Kyle
00:47:22.210 - 00:47:24.738
All of you, thank you.
Blevo
00:47:24.874 - 00:47:37.516
Go Go Yubari. Just of this little off side character. Right.
Tarantino saw her in Battle Royale and became just infatuated with her as this character actress and put her in Kill Bill as a result of that.
Seth
00:47:37.588 - 00:47:37.980
Nice.
Blevo
00:47:38.060 - 00:47:57.184
Yeah. Everybody in this movie has like profound cinematic history. Like they're involved in some way that's really neat from a nerdy perspective.
So I've got to go full Hanzo on that. That's. I mean, Gordon Liu and Sunny Chiba. Like, who even thinks to use these guys in 2003?
Seth
00:47:57.272 - 00:48:16.832
Yeah, yeah, no, I go full Hanzo. Like there again, everyone. Everyone brought their A game to this. So I, I, Yeah, they did a really good job. Everyone's memorable. Even.
Even when they blend in, they're still very memorable. Like, you still find moments where every single person stands out, even if they're just down to being an extra or.
Blevo
00:48:16.936 - 00:48:25.130
Gordon Liu or Michael Parks playing two characters each. And both characters that they play are equally fascinating.
Kyle
00:48:25.210 - 00:48:35.670
Parks is awesome in this movie. Yes. He's such a Elpa. I mean, I spent a lot of time in El Paso as a kid. He just totally spoke to me.
Like just walking out of the desert with his hat on.
Blevo
00:48:36.210 - 00:48:37.722
Gravy Marie.
Kyle
00:48:37.866 - 00:49:03.966
So good. Yeah. It's a Hanzo sword, man. And my favorite is. Are the scenes with Hanzo.
Like, my favorite scene is it's funny that I know you didn't like the pace and that was. Sorry. Hard. I love that part of the movie. I don't know why I think it was the dialogue between Uma and between Sunny. I just thought it was such a.
And the revelation that he is Hanzo and they're. The dialogue and the way it kind of. For some reason, it just really spoke to me. And that's all on Sonny, man. His acting was just.
He just knocked it out of the park.
Seth
00:49:04.038 - 00:49:04.862
Absolutely.
Kyle
00:49:05.006 - 00:49:13.730
Yeah. Definitely a Hanzo sword. It is two to zero writing Mr. Quentin Tarantino.
Seth
00:49:14.640 - 00:49:46.578
I'm gonna have to give it a bitch. Has no future. I. Yep. And for me, I'm not gonna say it's bad. I'm gonna say this is I have this thing. It's either a squeak over or squeak under.
This would be like a 4.9 on the scale of 10. As far as just it. It just. This is, in my opinion, of the six of his movies I've seen, this is his weakest script.
It has a lot of good moments surrounded by a lot of nothing for me. So it's gonna be a bitch. No future for me.
Blevo
00:49:46.634 - 00:49:50.114
Oh, man, can I do two hanzos to overcome Seth's fat?
Seth
00:49:50.162 - 00:49:51.538
That's not how this works.
Kyle
00:49:51.714 - 00:49:53.110
You can try. Dammit.
Seth
00:49:54.490 - 00:49:56.350
It's my house, God damn it.
Blevo
00:49:57.850 - 00:50:50.484
Yeah, I definitely go full hanzo on this one, just primarily because I was already deeply into the cinematic worlds. And like I said, there was cinema before Kill Bill came out and then there was just cinema after. Much in the way that Pulp Fiction was in the 90s.
It was like there was all the movies that. That tried to emulate what Pulp Fiction was doing in the 90s.
And I feel like Kill Bill had a similar effect in that early aughts cinema where it's like we're going to do everything is going to be this genre busting thing. And it's, you know, which is really interesting if you do it at a level that Tarantino is able to do it.
And also to be able to take all of those cinematic references that are, by all intents and purposes, it's all throwaway cinema. It's all like garbage genre cinema. But to be able to take that ember and blow on it and create a fire out of it. I don't know. There's just something.
Seth
00:50:50.572 - 00:50:53.348
I feel like that all relates more to directing than writing, though.
Blevo
00:50:53.484 - 00:50:55.652
Yeah, I. Yeah, I suppose it.
Seth
00:50:55.756 - 00:51:05.268
Because at this point, I'm strictly evaluating the script. Like, there's a lot visually and a lot Right. Directorial decisions that I really do like, but I don't think this is a strong script.
Blevo
00:51:05.364 - 00:52:46.208
It's an amalgam of various tropes, though. That's the. It's like it doesn't exist on its own without the history of cinema behind it.
So it might be working against it in that way as far as being a functional film script, but to be able to have that level of knowledge on genre cinema and to be able to use it to tell that story in a way that encapsulates each of them and pays homage to each of them in a wholly unique way.
I don't know, to me that it seems like there's not only a lot of, like a lifetime of consuming different types of cinema to kind of be able to create that story, but just having a profound understanding of the way that storytelling works. And to be able to create something that is wholly unique, but using only things that have been done before.
It's like Tarantino is the only one that I know that can do that in a way that it's like I keep wanting to revisit. And I was telling, I was texting with Kyle about this.
It's like I've tried to go down all of those rabbit holes that Kill Bill or Tarantino's movies in general have opened up for me. All of these different. Like, I should explore this director because he was referenced in a Tarantino movie. I've tried to finish those rabbit holes.
I've spent 20 years trying to catch up on all of that cinema, and I have not even scratched the surface. I feel I go deeper than most people with it, but it's like, how did he do that?
And the only explanation I can come up with is Tarantino is some sort of like time traveling alien. There's no other way to consume all of that.
And to be able to put it together in a cohesive way and actually make films out of it, it's like, how the heck do you do that?
Seth
00:52:46.264 - 00:53:21.256
Well, he worked at a video store. So literally, even when he was working, he had all of those movies on. He was constantly consuming all of that.
I guess that's what was in video stores in the 80s and 70s when he was doing that stuff was so, so no, and I'm saying this to, to his credit, like, he. He had the time, because for that time he worked in that video. He talks about this all the time.
He was surrounded by all of these different types of movies. And in order to stay relevant as far as understanding what they had in the store, he watched everything. Whether he was at the video store or not.
He just would turn everything on.
Blevo
00:53:21.328 - 00:53:42.200
But then how do you keep any of it in a. In a meaningful way when you're consuming it? Just constant.
I spent years, when I was in my film critic days, yeah, I would consume cinema like a madman, man. I've seen like seven a day for years at a time.
And now I go back and it's like, not only can I not tell you what some of the central ideas, I can't even tell you some of these if I've watched them before.
Seth
00:53:42.320 - 00:53:45.320
Have you tried to make a film, though, that's different?
Blevo
00:53:45.360 - 00:53:46.328
I suppose so, yeah.
Seth
00:53:46.344 - 00:54:32.562
That to me is a different thing. Because subconsciously, when you're consuming that much stuff, there are things that are Going to end. Influence your visual eye.
There are things that, that I watched growing up as a child that I guarantee you no one else in any significant capacity have seen before. That has definitely influenced my eye and the way that I do things.
So I think, I think a large chunk of it is subconscious just because that's what he was consuming. And the way his brain works is it stores it in that, that area for later.
And so when he goes to make a film, all of that just comes out effortlessly as opposed to someone who's just trying to store information. I don't, I don't think he sees it that way. I think it lives there.
And then I think when he needs to, it pops back out and he's like, oh, yeah, I like that. Let's do that.
Blevo
00:54:32.666 - 00:54:37.186
Yeah. It takes someone on a very specific spectrum to be able to have that kind of recall though.
Seth
00:54:37.258 - 00:54:40.190
An autistic spectrum for sure.
Blevo
00:54:40.890 - 00:54:41.922
For sure.
Kyle
00:54:42.106 - 00:54:43.554
Or a cocaine spectrum.
Blevo
00:54:43.682 - 00:55:03.274
That could be. I don't know. You know, I don't know if that's a part of it or not or. I just remember trying so desperately to like.
Because I was coming at it from a film critic perspective. And so a lot of my, A lot of my stuff was more from a philosophical bench and more wasn't really looking to, to make anything.
I was just trying to understand it on a, on a deeper level.
Seth
00:55:03.362 - 00:55:06.106
Yeah, Visual style just gets baked into you.
Kyle
00:55:06.178 - 00:55:17.072
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I definitely go Hanzo sword. Here. Here's the thing that always blows me away about as comedians. I'd love to hear our commentary on this.
He's not a stand up comedian, but Tarantino is hilarious.
Seth
00:55:17.136 - 00:55:17.760
Oh yeah.
Kyle
00:55:17.840 - 00:55:27.584
He writes some of the funniest shit. And it's. He, he maybe he could do stand up. I mean, he'd have to slow down his pace. The rate at which he talks.
Seth
00:55:27.632 - 00:55:32.640
Having heard him speak, I don't think he could, I don't think he could do stand up.
Kyle
00:55:32.680 - 00:55:33.248
Yeah, I don't either.
Seth
00:55:33.264 - 00:55:36.096
I think he could give funny speeches, but I don't think he could do stand up.
Kyle
00:55:36.168 - 00:55:39.760
Okay. Once I was walking to the store, okay. And then, you know, but, and then there's this guy. Okay.
Seth
00:55:39.840 - 00:55:40.528
He's got feet.
Blevo
00:55:40.624 - 00:55:41.264
Understand this guy.
Seth
00:55:41.272 - 00:55:41.940
Okay.
Kyle
00:55:42.600 - 00:55:50.720
He, he, he also goes in such crazy tangents when he's talking. Yeah, we're the video store. Okay. And so I was watching this movie, this guy Earl, you know Earl. You've heard Earl, right?
Blevo
00:55:50.760 - 00:55:51.632
We all know Earl.
Kyle
00:55:51.696 - 00:55:53.780
Earl married a. Okay.
Blevo
00:55:55.320 - 00:55:58.640
And he gets all elon. Excited about things that aren't supposed to Be exciting.
Kyle
00:55:58.800 - 00:56:10.080
You're like, whoa. But this man. And here's one thing that no matter how you rank the movies, every single one of his movies have made me laugh out loud.
Seth
00:56:10.160 - 00:56:10.464
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:10.512 - 00:56:42.574
Even re watching this movie's no exception. I'm just blown away by that. And so. And I love the dialogue. He also has this thing.
And here's the thing about dialogue with Tarantino with me, I love the dialogue that he did with script polishes.
You know, I didn't even realize it until I started watching his directorial movies that I had been exposed to Tarantino with, you know, with true Romance.
And a lot of that same dialogue is kind of written in that movie, too, with the banter between Gary Oldman as the pimp and Christian Slater, like, that scene. I'm like, that is so Tarantino.
Blevo
00:56:42.622 - 00:56:51.930
Yeah, yeah. Just taking. Taking nerd fixations and then putting it into, like, these street characters. That's a distinctly Tarantino move.
Kyle
00:56:52.230 - 00:56:53.022
Yeah, I know.
Blevo
00:56:53.046 - 00:56:53.422
I love it.
Kyle
00:56:53.446 - 00:57:07.322
And I just. I love the interplay and I think the dialogue. I know you didn't love the Carradine stuff, but I love the Bill. I love that last hour of the movie.
It's. It's a game of chess. He's speaking in parables. She's out for revenge. And it's just weird chess match I was in. I don't know.
Seth
00:57:07.346 - 00:57:08.586
But is it the second movie?
Blevo
00:57:08.618 - 00:57:08.970
Yes.
Kyle
00:57:09.050 - 00:57:13.910
Oh, that was the second movie. Sorry. It's hard. I still view these as one movie that.
Blevo
00:57:15.010 - 00:57:16.282
Forget he said it.
Kyle
00:57:16.386 - 00:57:23.738
I am mad at me. Damn it. But anyway, it is hard. It is hard not to jump the shark, but. All right, three to you. We gonna say something else?
Blevo
00:57:23.754 - 00:57:29.578
I was gonna say, like, the only bit you get out of Carradine in that first movie is like, just little mysterious things.
Kyle
00:57:29.634 - 00:57:29.914
Yeah.
Blevo
00:57:29.962 - 00:57:35.280
You know, like, does she know her daughter is still alive in just, like, these cool little genre things?
Kyle
00:57:35.400 - 00:57:36.864
And the rings on his hands.
Seth
00:57:36.912 - 00:57:37.232
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:37.296 - 00:57:38.336
Clutching the sword.
Blevo
00:57:38.448 - 00:57:52.900
Yeah. So he's. He's more of an idea at this point. So how do you. How do you, like, visualize that idea of this badass character?
And in a Tarantino world, that guy is just going to be a dork. And that's. Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:57:53.240 - 00:58:08.424
You actually just gave me an idea for a question for the next one. That was just you. Just you. Sometimes fireworks happen. Sorry. It is three to zero. We are clutching the Hanzo sword.
No matter how hard you're trying to make it stop.
Seth
00:58:08.512 - 00:58:12.056
Seth, I have my correct opinion. And you guys still have your things.
Kyle
00:58:12.128 - 00:58:21.848
I love you. I love you. You know I love this. I'm glad we have different opinions. Directing. If you haven't heard, Quentin Tarantino directed this movie.
Seth
00:58:21.944 - 00:58:22.264
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:22.312 - 00:58:23.032
How do we feel about it?
Seth
00:58:23.056 - 00:58:25.256
This is also getting a no future for me.
Kyle
00:58:25.328 - 00:58:26.056
All right.
Blevo
00:58:26.208 - 00:58:30.276
That Tarantino guy, he never did anything like I.
Seth
00:58:30.348 - 00:59:17.866
For me, again, this is just. Of the ones I've seen, this is his weakest entry. There's a lot of good. There's a lot of good all throughout, a lot of good choices.
But for me, it genuinely just got overshadowed by how bored I was an hour into the movie. And. And I think that genuinely speaks if, if you're watching a four hour movie and you're bored an hour into it, it's not a good sign.
Like, it's genuinely not a good sign. And. And I think while he did make a lot of really good decisions and there were a lot of really good moments as a whole, the.
Especially this first film. I have different opinions on the second one, but on this first one, I just. I. Yeah, I don't, I don't like it as much, and I don't think it's.
It's anywhere near his top five films.
Blevo
00:59:17.978 - 00:59:34.530
Okay. Yeah, I gotta go to full Hanzo sword on that. It just. The things I'm hearing in my headphones are just like.
I never thought I'd hear someone say these things about the, about this particular movie. And, you know, again, I went into.
Seth
00:59:34.570 - 00:59:36.802
This thinking I was like, gonna love it.
Blevo
00:59:36.826 - 00:59:37.074
Yeah.
Seth
00:59:37.122 - 00:59:40.882
Thinking it was all gonna be nothing but positive for me. But, yeah, I want to go back.
Blevo
00:59:40.906 - 00:59:44.562
And watch it with shittier eyes so that I can understand where they're coming from.
Seth
00:59:44.666 - 00:59:46.994
You have glasses. You already have shitty eyes.
Blevo
00:59:47.042 - 00:59:47.378
That's true.
Seth
00:59:47.394 - 00:59:47.778
I'll just.
Blevo
00:59:47.834 - 00:59:49.710
I'm just gonna take my glasses off.
Kyle
00:59:50.010 - 00:59:52.510
How do I watch this from a worse point of view?
Blevo
00:59:53.690 - 01:00:10.098
And I am willing to accept that it could very well be. There's so much nostalgia for this particular movie with me and my friends. This came from a time before children and wives and things.
Like, I'm a free 23 year old dude.
Seth
01:00:10.194 - 01:00:12.770
Notice he said wives, ladies and gentlemen. He has multiple.
Blevo
01:00:12.850 - 01:00:14.674
I've had multiple wives.
Seth
01:00:14.802 - 01:00:17.618
Oh, I meant now. Currently, you have multiple wives.
Blevo
01:00:17.714 - 01:00:20.030
Dear God, I hope not.
Kyle
01:00:22.540 - 01:00:28.560
Wouldn't that be crazy? Like, you know, the idea, like, you may have had a kid at some point you didn't know about. You actually had a wife you didn't know about too.
Seth
01:00:29.100 - 01:00:39.524
Like, like, you ever been to Vegas as an adult? I don't know. I. I think I. It's. It genuinely sounds like nostalgia has a very High factor.
Kyle
01:00:39.572 - 01:00:39.796
Yeah.
Seth
01:00:39.828 - 01:00:40.772
How you're looking it.
Blevo
01:00:40.796 - 01:00:54.542
Definitely. I don't think I can look at anything objectively. I spent years as a film critic. I don't think I can look at anything objective.
I think I was only fooling myself in the times that I thought I was looking at something completely with objective points of view.
Seth
01:00:54.646 - 01:01:02.878
Because my first time watching this movie, I was in college, so I mean, it was a very. Not the same, but a very similar age to you when I first saw it.
Blevo
01:01:02.934 - 01:01:03.214
Yeah.
Seth
01:01:03.262 - 01:01:05.886
And that was the only time I'd seen it until yesterday and today.
Blevo
01:01:05.958 - 01:01:06.462
Interesting.
Seth
01:01:06.526 - 01:02:07.764
And yeah, it just. Unlike Pulp Fiction, which again, still on the lower end of my.
My Tarantino listings, I think it holds up significantly better in terms of being a well told, fluid story.
Its uniqueness, as far as how it told the story lended itself better to re watching Pulp Fiction than it did to this because I feel like he basically tried to do a lot of the same things he did in your storytelling. The non linear storytelling, a lot of the jumping around and just. But then on top of that, put double the amount of time in it because this, this.
I mean, I. I'm pretty sure Pulp Fiction's right around two hours. This being a four hour movie. Again, it just. It's. It's just there's. There's so much.
If he hadn't been so overindulgent and had done even a three hour cut, if. If it was a three hour movie instead of a four hour movie, I think it would be a hundred times better.
Kyle
01:02:07.902 - 01:02:08.872
He's brewing over there.
Seth
01:02:08.896 - 01:02:09.272
Oh, I know.
Kyle
01:02:09.296 - 01:02:10.180
I love it.
Seth
01:02:10.560 - 01:02:15.832
I knew going into this how this was gonna go. I knew they were gonna gang up on me again just like. Just like he always does.
Kyle
01:02:15.936 - 01:02:18.408
Oh, my gosh. Is that really how you feel about me?
Seth
01:02:18.464 - 01:02:20.152
Every time I bring a movie, One.
Blevo
01:02:20.176 - 01:02:21.944
Man Wrecking Crew, Kyle Castro.
Seth
01:02:21.992 - 01:02:22.584
Do I really?
Blevo
01:02:22.672 - 01:02:23.176
Yes.
Kyle
01:02:23.288 - 01:02:25.288
Is this like actually something you harbor against me?
Seth
01:02:25.344 - 01:02:26.216
Always. No, I'm kidding.
Kyle
01:02:26.248 - 01:02:27.016
Oh, my God.
Seth
01:02:27.088 - 01:02:34.148
Legitimately. There have been many times that I've brought movies in and you and whoever the guests are just like, oh, no, this is my. This is my favorite movie.
Movies.
Kyle
01:02:34.324 - 01:02:37.492
I feel bad. No, I feel bad.
Seth
01:02:37.676 - 01:02:46.964
Are you brought to you. You hated it during the movie or during the podcast? No, Both of you. You both shat all over that movie.
Kyle
01:02:47.012 - 01:02:52.292
I liked it. Damn. Well, now I feel bad. Is this you? Is this you quitting Movie Wars?
Seth
01:02:52.356 - 01:02:52.724
No.
Kyle
01:02:52.812 - 01:02:53.204
Okay?
Seth
01:02:53.252 - 01:02:58.400
This is me staying here to make it as bad for you as I can. I love it.
Kyle
01:02:58.700 - 01:02:59.620
I love it.
Seth
01:02:59.740 - 01:03:01.040
I love being here.
Kyle
01:03:01.740 - 01:03:02.788
You do sleep Here.
Seth
01:03:02.844 - 01:03:03.604
I do.
Kyle
01:03:03.772 - 01:03:33.260
I. I love the. The directing here. Here's the thing. I.
I don't have the nostalgia thing that you have, because this is not one of my favorite Tarantino movies. I do love it. It's just not in the upper echelon. But in terms of just being a movie out there in the world, I do. I'm absorbed by it.
The visuals, the way it transitions. It feels like you're getting a lot of different flavors. There's a palette of things he's pulling from. I'm absorbed by it personally.
So, yeah, I give it a Hanzo sword.
Seth
01:03:33.340 - 01:03:38.204
For the record, going into this rewatch, this was my number two Tarantino movie.
Kyle
01:03:38.252 - 01:03:38.700
Really?
Blevo
01:03:38.820 - 01:03:40.620
Well, you've only seen three of them, apparently.
Seth
01:03:40.700 - 01:03:41.740
No, I've seen six.
Blevo
01:03:41.860 - 01:03:43.276
Six out of the 90s, I haven't.
Seth
01:03:43.308 - 01:03:44.060
Seen three of them.
Blevo
01:03:44.100 - 01:03:45.132
Okay, okay, I gotcha.
Seth
01:03:45.196 - 01:03:54.392
This was my number two, directly behind Django, so I just want that out there. I went into this with. With the best possible outlook on this movie that I could have.
Blevo
01:03:54.516 - 01:04:00.464
I came into it as a pure fanboy. Just shameless. Shameless fanboy.
Kyle
01:04:00.592 - 01:04:01.456
There you go.
Blevo
01:04:01.608 - 01:04:14.300
Yeah. I drive my minivan with the hopes that one day I'll be able to say in the Esteban voices, the busy die.
Because that minivan is gonna die one day, and I'm gonna be able to say that.
Kyle
01:04:14.760 - 01:04:15.424
That's funny.
Seth
01:04:15.472 - 01:04:15.904
That's funny.
Kyle
01:04:15.952 - 01:04:17.300
Hey, I love Brazil.
Seth
01:04:17.720 - 01:04:18.448
Yeah, you did.
Kyle
01:04:18.504 - 01:04:19.264
I love Brazil.
Seth
01:04:19.312 - 01:04:19.782
Yeah.
Blevo
01:04:19.896 - 01:04:24.230
Well, the only one he liked a Terry Gilliam movie. Back up off of your ledge there.
Kyle
01:04:26.050 - 01:04:31.690
Oh, gosh. Now I'm, like, thinking. I'm, like, self conscious. All right, I'm gonna start on Kill Bill now.
Seth
01:04:31.730 - 01:04:31.946
Barely.
Kyle
01:04:31.978 - 01:04:43.870
I need to eat the score. That's so funny, dude. Four to zero, the Hanzo sword. All right, what's in front of a cinematography, production design, sound, costume editing.
Seth
01:04:44.290 - 01:04:56.400
This is going to be a squeak over for me. I think the editing is 49 of what I don't like about this movie. And everything else is the 51% that I do like about the movie.
Blevo
01:04:56.480 - 01:05:01.552
And fascinating. It was a Sally Menke, you know, had been the one that edited it. And that was some of.
Seth
01:05:01.576 - 01:05:05.072
I mean, didn't she edit? Hasn't she edited, like, every movie he's done until recently?
Blevo
01:05:05.256 - 01:05:09.600
So I think people have some issues with the pacing since she passed away, actually.
Seth
01:05:09.720 - 01:05:10.224
Interesting.
Blevo
01:05:10.272 - 01:05:10.592
Yeah.
Seth
01:05:10.656 - 01:06:03.850
Yeah.
This again, just like, overall, it's going to be a Hanzo for me, but it's gonna barely squeak over because the editing overshadowed so much of what was good about the movie because the Pacing was so drawn out. Just like so many times I kept being like, all right, let's just. You've made the point abundantly. It's time to move on.
And there's still five minutes left in the scene, but still a Hanzo. Still everything else, all of the visuals themselves, absolutely masterful. Every single shot is a painting.
The costume's incredible, the props incredible. The sound design is wonderful.
I do love the over the top nature of the sound design in the moments where it's particularly trying to be a kung fu movie. Because in the scene where. In the. What is it? The big club at the end?
Blevo
01:06:03.890 - 01:06:05.434
The House of Blue leaves.
Seth
01:06:05.482 - 01:06:22.384
The House of Blue. Yeah, the house of Blue leaves.
There is a moment where the sound design switches completely from where it's been reasonably realistic movie realistic to just over the top shing. Like crazy ass sound effects. I love that.
Blevo
01:06:22.472 - 01:06:39.136
And what's fascinating about that is that there is a demarcation multiple times in that one scene. Yeah, she's like. She opens up the doors to go out to the showdown in the back. And it's like she's opening the doors to an entirely different film.
Yeah, it's. It's very. Yeah, yeah.
Seth
01:06:39.168 - 01:06:45.440
So no, visually, cinematography. Absolutely love it. The editing almost ruined the entire thing for me.
Kyle
01:06:45.740 - 01:06:46.692
Interesting.
Blevo
01:06:46.836 - 01:07:01.284
Yeah. I've never heard anyone be that wrong before. Oh, man.
You know, I'm gonna have to go full Hanzo and then I'm just gonna have to rethink all of my friendships. I'm just kidding.
Seth
01:07:01.332 - 01:07:03.680
There's a reason we haven't seen each other in so long.
Blevo
01:07:04.940 - 01:07:06.400
No, I knew this was coming.
Kyle
01:07:06.700 - 01:07:09.642
Did Tarantino come out up at a gig or something?
Seth
01:07:09.826 - 01:07:10.810
Not even once.
Blevo
01:07:10.930 - 01:07:15.098
No. I think it did in passing. And then I held on to it to an absurd degree.
Kyle
01:07:15.274 - 01:07:19.274
Blevins just walked by you and went, kill Bill. And just like, let. Let it sit there for a minute.
Seth
01:07:19.322 - 01:07:23.514
But again, prior to yesterday, I would have told you this is my number two Tarantino movie.
Kyle
01:07:23.642 - 01:07:26.378
It is interesting how time does change things.
Seth
01:07:26.434 - 01:07:26.762
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:26.826 - 01:07:36.158
Like, when you watch a lot of movies in between, like, and we do. Because we do this, we watch a lot of movies. And then your opinion, that happens to me all the time. Like, oh, my God. Like.
Like, I don't see this the same way.
Seth
01:07:36.214 - 01:07:36.494
Yeah.
Blevo
01:07:36.542 - 01:07:51.118
And honestly, re watching this, I did kind of unsee a little bit of the magic too, with. Because a lot of the. A lot of the scenes is as vibrant and as electric as the pace can be in the movie. It does kind of.
It's just like one person In a frame, walking around.
Seth
01:07:51.174 - 01:07:51.454
Yeah.
Blevo
01:07:51.502 - 01:07:55.486
You know, I get where you're coming from.100. I'm just gonna stand by my ground.
Seth
01:07:55.558 - 01:07:56.542
No, do your thing.
Blevo
01:07:56.646 - 01:07:57.214
I'm just gonna.
Seth
01:07:57.262 - 01:08:01.358
It's called Movie wars, not Movie Butt. Because we're buddies.
Kyle
01:08:01.534 - 01:08:03.570
Oh. But I like being buddies.
Blevo
01:08:04.150 - 01:08:06.338
I thought we had a whole buddy segment.
Kyle
01:08:06.494 - 01:08:06.970
Yeah.
Blevo
01:08:07.050 - 01:08:10.026
For after we get done talking about these stupid movies.
Kyle
01:08:10.058 - 01:08:13.978
That's. That's what code. That's what war scores. That's what's code for.
Seth
01:08:14.034 - 01:08:14.458
Yeah.
Kyle
01:08:14.554 - 01:08:19.594
Is butt buddies. Five to zero. A squeak box.
Seth
01:08:19.642 - 01:08:20.586
You're not gonna give your.
Kyle
01:08:20.658 - 01:08:21.258
I thought I did.
Seth
01:08:21.314 - 01:08:21.802
You didn't.
Kyle
01:08:21.866 - 01:08:41.634
Oh, I didn't. I always forget. I get so, like, just enamored. I. I actually. I love. If I can say there's two. I said the comedy earlier.
There's two things I love about every Tarantino know, no matter where I rank it, it's the comedy and the editing. Yeah, I do love the editing. It's something that I think is unique to him. What was his previous editor's name that died?
Blevo
01:08:41.682 - 01:08:42.578
Sally Menke.
Kyle
01:08:42.674 - 01:08:52.722
You know, and he has a great relationship with his new editor too. He's been with him since she died. I just think you gotta be. Have an interesting relationship with Tarantino to be his go to editor.
Seth
01:08:52.786 - 01:08:53.186
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
01:08:53.218 - 01:09:03.932
Because like, he wants to breathe where the editor's probably. Can we just please cut it right here? He's like, nope. And we're gonna. We're gonna be in this conversation with the Nazi leader for 10 minutes.
Blevo
01:09:03.996 - 01:09:14.396
It's the most important thing that's ever happened. And in a way, that. That's what makes Tarantino Tarantino. It's like, no, this is important. And I'm gonna just beat it to death.
Seth
01:09:14.468 - 01:09:15.036
Yeah.
Blevo
01:09:15.148 - 01:09:17.164
To the chagrin of Seth Case.
Kyle
01:09:17.332 - 01:09:33.890
Yeah. God, I almost said something about the second one. I'm like dying to talk about the second one because of some of the stuff.
There is just moments in this first one where like. Like, I just love how I'm being forced to come to terms. I'm just. I love in the visuals, the editing, in the pace. I. I just think it's cool.
Seth
01:09:33.970 - 01:09:51.266
It's something for me, because it starts so fast paced. Like other than the. The.
The prologue where it's the black and white and she's lying there and right before he shoots her, then it immediately cuts to her going and fighting the first woman.
Blevo
01:09:51.338 - 01:09:51.714
Sure.
Seth
01:09:51.802 - 01:10:37.868
And.
And it's like that juxtaposition of that scene being so perfectly paced as far as balancing out the quick nature of the fight versus the slow breathing Room for the conversation they have before the second fight, and not even fight, but that second moment where she shoots her and then she kills her. That, to me, should have set up the tone. Not.
Not stylistically, not visually, but just the tone of the way the rest of the movie should have been edited there. And. And the rest of it goes as far to the extreme as it can, both in the fast pacing, but also even when the pacing is fast.
It's an incredibly drawn out scene. It's just there. It's always unbalanced for me.
Blevo
01:10:37.924 - 01:11:02.894
It's letting that soundtrack breathe too, I think. And a lot of those scenes, it's just paying service to the cool songs that are selected for it.
I, you know, I was thinking about just that opening sequence and how magical that was the first time in the theater. You hear those footsteps, you got the dark screen, you got the breathing, you got the. And then bam.
And then into the Nancy Sinatra kind of ethereal thing that's like. This is like nothing else I've ever experienced before.
Seth
01:11:02.982 - 01:11:09.662
And I think we can safely say this. If there's anything Tarantino will nail every single time, it is his soundtrack.
Kyle
01:11:09.726 - 01:11:10.690
Yeah, absolutely.
Seth
01:11:11.110 - 01:11:24.548
Everyone can. Can debate editing in this movie or other movies, or even cinematography in certain movies, or the script in the Hateful eight versus this.
You can have any qualm you can. I don't. No one has ever complained about the music in a Tarantino film.
Kyle
01:11:24.604 - 01:11:24.980
Yeah.
Seth
01:11:25.060 - 01:11:34.960
And this soundtrack wise, again, makes up that 51% of what I love about this movie. It just. It's so good throughout the whole thing.
Kyle
01:11:35.340 - 01:11:41.844
I love it. I love that one song that's really. Along with the tremolo guitar. That's like a really old. You can tell it's a real vibr. Luxe.
Seth
01:11:41.892 - 01:11:42.164
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:42.212 - 01:11:43.540
Old Tremolo and just.
Seth
01:11:43.660 - 01:11:45.876
Yeah. With like a nice Telecaster.
Blevo
01:11:45.988 - 01:11:47.650
Yeah, yeah. Love it.
Kyle
01:11:48.110 - 01:12:13.770
They. It is five to zero. We're getting into my bro categories and we've kind of beat this one to death a little bit. But we. We do have to nail it down.
I called this category the Hateful Five because there are going to be 10 movies and obviously you haven't seen all of them, but based on what we have seen, would you put this in the top five again? This kind of goes back, I think, subconscious. You can't help but stack rank these in your mind a little because we know there's a limited supply.
So what do we think?
Seth
01:12:13.890 - 01:12:14.538
Not for me.
Kyle
01:12:14.594 - 01:12:15.430
Not for you.
Seth
01:12:15.890 - 01:12:39.982
At this point, it's six movies of his that I've seen. This is Number six, this is the bottom of the barrel for me. Again, doesn't mean it's a bad movie.
But if, if the worst Tarantino movie is a 7.5, it's still the worst Tarantino movie for me. Pulp Fiction would barely make the top five for me and I'm pretty sure once I see Reservoir Dog Dogs, it's just gonna get knocked back down.
Kyle
01:12:40.086 - 01:12:41.838
Oh, I forgot, you haven't seen Reservoir Dogs.
Seth
01:12:41.854 - 01:12:42.238
Yeah, yeah.
Blevo
01:12:42.254 - 01:12:44.302
I'm curious to see where you'd, you'd put that one.
Seth
01:12:44.326 - 01:12:51.102
Actually, I conceptually, I love the idea because I know it's like 95 takes place in just the one warehouse.
Blevo
01:12:51.166 - 01:12:55.806
Right. It's a, it's just an exercise in limited resources and storytelling and I, I.
Seth
01:12:55.878 - 01:13:23.180
Jack off to that all the time. I love that.
So I'm sure I'm going to like that, which is why I'm pretty positive that Pulp Fiction is going to get knocked down out of my top five for him. But for me, Django was number one. And before this I would have put this at number two.
But now Inglourious Bastards takes number two for me and I think Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, then the Hateful Eight and then Pulp Fiction.
Kyle
01:13:23.260 - 01:13:35.762
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It'll be interesting too. We'll, we'll have to, in the next one we'll have to talk about because this is considered one film. Right.
But in his stack Rank. So I guess we could just look at it the next one and see differently, but whatever.
Blevo
01:13:35.826 - 01:14:21.490
Sure. Yeah. I would put this one in my top five for sure. Going.
Actually the first time I watched it, Jackie Brown was my number one Tarantino movie going in. Yeah.
Because at the time you only had the three movies and then you go in there and it's this new genre busting thing and it's like, holy crap, he can do so much more than I would have ever given him credit for at that time. Because it was a world before you had Inglourious Basterds, before you had Django Unchained before Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.
It's, you know, it's definitely up there for me.
I think I'm coming at it from the perspective of a middle aged man, though, who had only had those first three movies, you know, going into my adult years. And it's like you held those, you cherished those three movies.
Kyle
01:14:21.570 - 01:14:22.594
Yeah, yeah.
Blevo
01:14:22.722 - 01:14:28.920
And then all of a sudden Kill Bill comes out and it's like, I don't know what my life was before this, but it's all this now.
Seth
01:14:29.540 - 01:14:55.486
See, I Feel like my experience with that would be like Robert Eggers at this point. And this. This would be to Robert Eggers what Nosferatu is. And, yeah, Nosferatu was good. Didn't wow me like his other movies did.
And I kind of feel as far as. Again, I think by the time I watched this one, I had. I had seen three of his movies. And, yeah, this time it just didn't hit it for me.
Kyle
01:14:55.638 - 01:15:00.510
Yeah, it's. It's. It's what happens, man. That's what's crazy about art and life.
Seth
01:15:00.630 - 01:15:02.174
Is it in your top five Tarantino?
Kyle
01:15:02.222 - 01:15:02.846
It is not.
Seth
01:15:02.918 - 01:15:03.390
Okay.
Kyle
01:15:03.470 - 01:15:05.370
Yeah, it is not. No, I.
Seth
01:15:05.750 - 01:15:09.054
So technically, that means you and I have both gone. No future.
Kyle
01:15:09.142 - 01:15:09.854
That's great.
Blevo
01:15:09.942 - 01:15:10.206
Yeah.
Kyle
01:15:10.238 - 01:15:24.036
And the thing is, is what's interesting with me about Tarantino compared to my favorite director of all time is Scorsese. And it's been hard to watch him progressively get worse over time. And I have a controversial opinion that Departed is one of his worst movies.
Seth
01:15:24.148 - 01:15:25.204
Oh, I hated that movie.
Blevo
01:15:25.252 - 01:15:29.396
Yeah. I'm not going back and rewatch who's re watching Departed every year versus Goodfellows.
Seth
01:15:29.428 - 01:15:32.196
I know some people actually, who. Who, like, swear by the.
Blevo
01:15:32.268 - 01:15:34.548
Give me their names because I don't need to be friends.
Seth
01:15:34.604 - 01:15:39.780
Let's talk about terrible editing. The Departed is one of the worst edited movies I've ever seen in my life.
Kyle
01:15:39.820 - 01:15:42.036
Terrible soundtrack from a guy that's a masterful.
Blevo
01:15:42.148 - 01:15:44.580
Yeah, he invented the needle drop. Yes.
Kyle
01:15:44.740 - 01:15:49.092
He literally did. Horrible. Leonard DiCaprio's accent, horrible.
Seth
01:15:49.156 - 01:15:49.572
Yeah.
Kyle
01:15:49.636 - 01:15:57.652
Matt choosing Matt Damon for the cast. Horrible. I'm sorry. I hate Matt Damon, but don't bring Matt Damon into this.
Seth
01:15:57.676 - 01:15:59.268
But you're gonna hate the Odyssey then.
Kyle
01:15:59.324 - 01:16:04.772
I know. I'm really curious how that's gonna go. The Martian was bad enough. It's just him on a planet. I'm like, oh, my God.
Seth
01:16:04.836 - 01:16:07.412
And yet when he shows up in Interstellar, it's, like, incredible.
Kyle
01:16:07.476 - 01:16:26.064
Yes, he is. Yeah. But the thing I. I'm looking. I'm just looking at the list here. And what's wild to me is Tarantino is not doing what score. Say yes.
It's at a smaller. Only doing a few movies, but every movie, because my favorite movie is. And this is very weird. This is not how you know this.
You've known me long enough. Now the newest movie is Never.
Seth
01:16:26.152 - 01:16:26.736
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:26.848 - 01:16:31.376
Once Upon a Time in Hollywood is top 50 for me, and it's my favorite Tarantino movie.
Blevo
01:16:31.408 - 01:16:32.576
Yeah, I get it.
Kyle
01:16:32.728 - 01:16:52.228
It's just masterful. And he also thinks it's his best movie, which Is interesting. And this is. It's really good. Kill Bill. Fantastic filmmaking.
You've heard me dote on it the whole time. But no, I mean, I'm looking hateful. A Django, Jackie Brown. I'm with you on Jackie Brown. Pulp Fiction. I. I just can't. It's really good.
But I cannot unseat any of those movies with Kill Bill.
Seth
01:16:52.284 - 01:16:52.468
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:52.484 - 01:16:53.044
I just can't.
Seth
01:16:53.092 - 01:16:53.412
Yeah.
Blevo
01:16:53.476 - 01:16:53.748
Well.
Seth
01:16:53.804 - 01:17:02.628
So even Hateful Eight, for me, like, Hateful Eight is very long and is very drawn out, but I view that particular movie as almost like a filmed stage play.
Blevo
01:17:02.684 - 01:17:02.964
Yeah.
Seth
01:17:03.012 - 01:17:08.806
Like, it's very purposefully done in. In such a way that the dialogue is what's important.
Kyle
01:17:08.868 - 01:17:09.138
Important.
Seth
01:17:09.194 - 01:17:11.826
The visuals are not. Even though the visuals are still great.
Blevo
01:17:11.898 - 01:17:12.130
Right.
Seth
01:17:12.170 - 01:17:17.938
Again, every shot is still a painting. But the point of that movie is the dialogue.
Blevo
01:17:18.114 - 01:17:20.610
He's on his Eugene O'Neill bullshit.
Seth
01:17:20.690 - 01:17:20.994
Yeah.
Blevo
01:17:21.042 - 01:17:21.746
Hateful Eight.
Seth
01:17:21.818 - 01:17:24.962
This one again, I just. It just feels unbalanced for me.
Kyle
01:17:25.066 - 01:17:26.162
And Walton Goggins.
Blevo
01:17:26.226 - 01:17:27.030
And Walton.
Kyle
01:17:27.610 - 01:17:29.778
Sometimes you just drop that in. Walton Goggins.
Seth
01:17:29.794 - 01:17:30.610
He makes everything better.
Blevo
01:17:30.650 - 01:17:31.266
Yeah, he does.
Seth
01:17:31.338 - 01:17:34.598
Righteous Gemstones premieres tonight for the final season. I can't wait.
Kyle
01:17:34.674 - 01:18:03.100
He crushed me in the Hateful Eight. All my favorite moments in that movie are wal. So good. Well, we fell off 1:5 to 1. So we got one category left.
And we're going to talk about one specific scene. It's the longest scene. It's a scene that pretty much is. This film is synonymous. Synonymous with. It's called. I called this cow. It's funny.
I didn't mean to do this. The hateful 88, but technically 88. People weren't kids killed for this in the scene. But there's a high body count.
Seth
01:18:03.220 - 01:18:04.300
They're at least maimed.
Kyle
01:18:04.380 - 01:18:10.796
Yeah, maimed. And Tarantino says even he just called it this in jazz because he thought it was a cool title and all that for this scene.
Seth
01:18:10.828 - 01:18:14.956
But Crazy 8 is the card game. Like, yeah, it's. That's been a thing.
Kyle
01:18:15.028 - 01:18:28.480
So how do we feel about. Because you notice the. The sound changes. Like, so much is happening here. We're seeing the sound audibly change. The music's changing. This.
It just kicks into a different pace. It's what this film is known for in a lot of ways. What do we think about this scene?
Seth
01:18:28.790 - 01:18:56.622
It is interesting for me because encapsulates especially two. But I feel like as someone who's. Who's significantly more versed in Japanese cinema than I am, you'll probably pick out a couple others.
But at the very least it the two halves of the scene have two very different styles. It starts as like a traditional anime fight and then somewhere halfway through switches over to an old school con Kung fu fight.
Blevo
01:18:56.726 - 01:19:53.226
Yeah, I think it's when. When she blinks and then the color goes. And then you change the lights to that blue silhouetted thing.
Yeah, that is such a genre trope for Hong Kong cinema, that fighting against a silhouette type of thing. And then she opens the door after that fight is over into that Lady Snowblood esque scene with O Ren Ishii.
So it travels all through all of Japanese cinema, really. You've got more modern yakuza sensibilities.
And then you go into kind of that silhouetted, more Hong Kong than Japanese style of film making and then into very artistic. You know, Lady Snowblood was a very artsy kind of. Everything is beautifully shot and mostly wide shots. Yeah, absolutely. That.
Yeah, really getting that widescreen framing, taking full advantage of it. So it's. It's fascinating that so much of that. So many shifts happen within one fight scene though.
Seth
01:19:53.298 - 01:20:09.084
Yeah, yeah. For that particular scene, it. Even though I do think it is still too long, I do think it is a masterfully well done.
Not even just kung Fu, not even just fight scene, but sword fight scene. I do think it is masterfully done.
Blevo
01:20:09.172 - 01:20:13.388
And the use of soundtrack in that too is absolutely. Yeah, you start with those soundtrack, sound.
Seth
01:20:13.404 - 01:20:40.290
Design, cinematography, even down to the. Down to the lighting. And the fact that none of the extras do a bad job. Yeah, none of them.
It's like whoever is on camera, you never look like they're waiting for a cue. They all look like they're waiting for an opening, but not waiting for the cue in the choreography.
So they make it look as natural as they possibly can for such an overblown scene stylistically without the use of.
Blevo
01:20:40.330 - 01:20:54.086
The CGI that you can lean on more nowadays to be able to have a tracking shot that follows her up the stairs the way that it does and just be able to capture that much action without fumbling the ball in a single shot that it's. It's pretty spectacular film making.
Seth
01:20:54.158 - 01:20:54.598
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:54.694 - 01:20:59.478
Yeah. You're going to be surprised. I actually. You don't have a future on this one.
Seth
01:20:59.534 - 01:21:00.118
Interesting.
Kyle
01:21:00.214 - 01:21:09.462
I. Here's the thing. I like the scene a lot. It's my least. One of my least favorite parts of the movie.
Yeah, it's actually one of my least favorite parts of both volumes.
Seth
01:21:09.526 - 01:21:13.206
Yeah. This would be a squeak over for me, in case it wasn't clear.
Kyle
01:21:13.278 - 01:21:22.164
There's a lot that I love and I actually, the thing I'm loving again with Tarantino is the comedy of, of is her name Sophia. The one that gets her arm cut off and she's still like laying there the whole time.
Blevo
01:21:22.252 - 01:21:22.596
Yeah.
Kyle
01:21:22.628 - 01:21:34.948
And she survives and she's. That's hilarious to me. I, I, it was the only time in the movie where I was a little bit kind of like, okay, this is a long scene.
It's kind of weird because it's the most action packed. But yeah, I think I was.
Seth
01:21:35.004 - 01:21:39.492
That's what I'm saying though is even when the pacing is very fast, it is a 20 minute scene.
Kyle
01:21:39.556 - 01:21:45.790
I'm missing the chess match that the dialogue is giving me. And at a certain point, about halfway through it, I'm like, like, can we wrap this up?
Seth
01:21:45.830 - 01:21:46.094
Yeah.
Kyle
01:21:46.142 - 01:21:53.838
Because then it's followed by the amazing sword fight between her and O Ren. Yeah, that. Then it's right back, I'm like, ooh, the chess match is back. I'm like back into it.
Seth
01:21:53.894 - 01:21:54.446
Yep.
Kyle
01:21:54.558 - 01:22:02.046
So again, again, it's a good scene. Like you said, it is masterful in a lot of ways, but I'm like, this is the only one. We're like, let's wrap it up.
Blevo
01:22:02.118 - 01:22:03.566
It's got three boss fights in it.
Kyle
01:22:03.638 - 01:22:04.542
Three boss fights.
Seth
01:22:04.606 - 01:22:04.942
Yeah.
Kyle
01:22:05.006 - 01:22:13.882
When I, I hate to say it because I like this movie so much, but when that second wave of guys comes in, I actually said, yeah, more of them.
Seth
01:22:13.906 - 01:22:14.298
Yes.
Kyle
01:22:14.394 - 01:22:43.884
You know, and again. And God, I'm gonna probably get crucified for this.
But comparing it to like a John Wick sequence, one thing I, that I think why people are so into John Wick, besides the simplicity, is that each, it's weird. John Wick are is this scene 20 times, you know, literally. But each one has so many levels.
Like they're changing levels and different weapons and different moves and all of a sudden he's in a car and he's whipping like. It's weird how they. A 20 minute wick scene.
Blevo
01:22:43.932 - 01:22:44.284
Right.
Kyle
01:22:44.372 - 01:22:46.524
Somehow still can keep you invested.
Blevo
01:22:46.572 - 01:22:55.260
So Wick came from, from a world where Kill Bill already existed. Kill Bill comes from a, from a world where none of this existed other than weird genre films, you know.
Kyle
01:22:55.300 - 01:23:12.942
True. No, that's a really good point. I love having your knowledge, man. I love it. But yeah, I mean, so you both, but you both went positive on this one.
Yeah, again that I, I feel a nitpicky saying it because I still really enjoy the scene, but it should be nitpicky. The only scene in the movie where I said, can we move? Can we move? On when the second wave of dudes comes in.
Blevo
01:23:12.966 - 01:23:26.910
But I think that that part is funny because then you've got O Ren at the top of the stairs, possibly pondering suicide in that moment because she knows she is lost. And then all of a sudden you hear these motorcycles show up and it's like, is that what I think it is?
Kyle
01:23:26.950 - 01:23:27.214
Yeah.
Blevo
01:23:27.262 - 01:23:29.406
Yeah. And then it's like, oh, shit, here we go.
Kyle
01:23:29.478 - 01:23:40.740
Yeah.
But I do love the scene it leads up to, which is the scalp, which originally they were supposed to behead her completely, but they had this idea for so that she could utter that line about the sword.
Blevo
01:23:42.040 - 01:23:49.648
And. And the neat part about sound design in that is where it's like you hear that second thud that maybe implies brain falling out of the snow.
Kyle
01:23:49.744 - 01:24:05.030
Yes. Well, six to one here. A lot of interesting discussion around this. And we've got. We're talking about nostalgia and it moved down on your list.
A lot of it. I love it. I love the interesting movement that we have around, you know, around movies over time.
Seth
01:24:05.070 - 01:24:05.334
Yeah.
Kyle
01:24:05.382 - 01:24:18.022
So especially when we got this compressed timeline of the 10. If it's 10. But yeah, we're gonna do Kill Bill Volume 2. If you didn't think you probably were like, they're probably not gonna do the second one.
They're probably just gonna talk about 10, 10 again.
Seth
01:24:18.126 - 01:24:19.894
But because it's an incredible movie.
Kyle
01:24:19.942 - 01:24:20.822
Because it's incredible.
Seth
01:24:20.886 - 01:24:21.366
So good.
Kyle
01:24:21.438 - 01:24:27.686
Because it's. It's now I feel bad. So, yeah, it's incredible. I'm changing my. Dude. It's so good. It is just so Damn good.
Seth
01:24:27.838 - 01:24:35.170
The 10. 10 episode hasn't aired yet. By the time we recorded this one. He's gonna go back and voice over over his. His ratings for it, man.
Kyle
01:24:35.210 - 01:24:38.950
Spielberg is a lovely mother friend of mine.
Blevo
01:24:39.610 - 01:24:45.154
I feel if I don't violently, like, oppose Tintin right now, I'm not doing a good job on this podcast.
Kyle
01:24:45.202 - 01:24:46.550
You're not a movie warrior.
Blevo
01:24:47.370 - 01:24:48.098
Oh, man.
Kyle
01:24:48.154 - 01:24:57.234
But anyway, we are so stoked to round this out. We're so glad to have Matthew with his film critique expertise and his hilarity. We'll see y'all next week with Kill Bill, Volume two. I'm Kyle.
Seth
01:24:57.282 - 01:24:57.794
I'm Seth.
Blevo
01:24:57.842 - 01:24:58.508
I'm Matthew.
Kyle
01:24:58.634 - 01:24:59.512
Love y'all.
Blevo
01:24:59.656 - 01:25:00.380
Peace.
Kyle
01:25:01.600 - 01:25:02.800
Now I feel really bad.