Sometimes I Think About Dying
Kyle
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Foreign. Ladies and gentlemen.
Seth
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We'Re keeping that in. Go.
Kyle
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie wars podcast. Seth and Mariana are here again.
Seth
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What's up?
Kyle
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When I was editing the last podcast and I introduced her, you're like, I'm here too. I'm like, you live here. Yeah, but I want to make sure to introduce you. I don't take you for granted. My. My friend, my filmmaker friend.
Seth
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What's up?
Kyle
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But, you know, I don't. One of my. I'm a big Seinfeld fan, and one of my favorite episodes of Seinfeld is when Jerry, he buys a.
He buys a suit, and the sale suit salesman hits on Elaine and it makes him mad. And so he. He takes the suit back. And they ask him why he's taking the suit back. He says, for spite.
And she's like, I don't know if we can take a suit back for spite. She's like, what do you mean? He's like, I don't like the salesman that sold it to me. I don't usually podcast out of spite.
Seth
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Yeah, but Seth does.
Kyle
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We are covering a film called Sometimes I Think about Dying.
Seth
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Yes. Yes, we are. I saw this movie earlier this year at the Bell Court, and I went because a friend of mine asked me to go. I had no idea what it was about.
All I knew was Daisy Ridley was in it. And this is one of those moments because. Because I've.
Unfortunately, due to Covid and other reasons, I've had to get out of the film industry for a little bit here. I'm trying to get back into directing and producing, getting back into things.
But this is kind of one of those moments where it was like the catalyst in me really hardcore making this decision to get back into filmmaking. Because I am so tired of watching movies that have incredible artistic potential just to watch them shit the bed so hard. Like there's.
And we'll get into. We'll get into why I'm saying all of this, but it's like, I watched this movie and I could see the bones of something incredible. I could see this.
First off, the topic is so important. Suicidal ideation, depression, trying to get yourself out of that. It's such an important topic that should be covered more often in filmmaking.
And unfortunately, I feel like the way that this was all put together in the final product was. Was so underwhelming to me that it. It took away from that message in a very bad way. So for those of you who haven't seen it, I. I do think it's.
It's worth watching. I'm not going to sit here and shit on and say it's a terrible movie.
When I came out of it, I probably would have ranked it like a six, six and a half to seven out of ten. I think there's a lot of good that's in it.
My roommate and I, when we rewatched it to get ready for this, there was a lot that we were able to pull out of it that I think was really good.
But there were some very strong missteps that I think kept this from being a truly great movie and just made it worth watching one time and never seen again. It takes place in the Pacific Northwest. They very purposefully.
The director, Rachel Lambert, she very purposefully wanted to shoot it out there because she. She wanted the scenery to be its own character in the film and. And start representing depression through where the film was located.
I think she did a great job with picking the location. It was a small town outside of. I think it was either Portland or Eugene somewhere in Oregon. And I think it's. It was just absolutely remarkable.
Some of these wide shots, seeing just the scenery behind what Daisy Ridley was doing on screen. They ended up looking through the real estate section of a newspaper to find an abandoned office building that was for rent.
And they talked to the real estate agent and were able to rent it for a month to shoot in the office scenes there. The. A lot of things really went well. I think the cinematographer did a really good job with the vast majority of the film.
I think the editing was really good. But I do have some problems with it that we'll get into throughout the podcast.
Kyle
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Big problems. Sorry to use my voiceover voice for that. Big problems.
Marianna
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Yeah. This movie was sold to me. Is like. That's how they pitched it to me.
Kyle
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You will think about dying.
Marianna
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I know. I was like, I already have suicidal ideations and intrusive thoughts. So I.
I thought, like, I loved the way they did the vignettes for the suicidal ideations. I'm like, mine are not that pretty.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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See?
And again, we could get to this more in detail later, but there were moments like that there's like five of them in the film where she has these very grandiose images of places and ways that she's dying.
And my biggest problem with those is they were so good and they were so overused in the trailer that I thought the whole movie was going to be this beautiful, almost Renaissance painting, like, journey through her and her visions of dying. And it's just these very unsatisfying moments that don't get revisited enough to justify the way it ends.
Marianna
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Yeah, they're. They're really sparsely used.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
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And they're the best part of the movie.
Seth
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Exactly. Which, again, is kind of one of my problems with it, is that these little moments are the best part, and they could have been utilized so much more.
Marianna
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They're so good. They do make you just kind of want to lay down in the forest and die.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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In a very grandiose manner.
Marianna
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Yeah.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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I want to die next to a Mario mushroom.
Marianna
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Yeah.
Seth
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Another interesting part about her making the film, and this is something I actually do respect, she likes working with comedians, and so a lot of the background cast were actually local comedians in the Oregon community, and she likes doing, like, using them because of their improv skills. Usually they're able to take just a little bit of direction and run with it for however long it needs to happen. And so that's.
In a lot of ways, that's kind of why the vast majority of the dialogue feels just kind of mundane about everyday life, is because she was like, cool, this is what you're going to be talking about. Go for it. And I'm going to be focused over here on Daisy. But you guys just say stuff in.
Kyle
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The background sounds like her printer broke.
Marianna
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To me, that makes so much sense. Also, Meg Stalter is one of the background actors, too. I think she's like, one of. There's two.
The girl from the White Lotus and the Meg Stalter are the two that I recognize as, like, being famous people. But, man, Meg Stalter, she is, like, the best improv actress ever.
Seth
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Yeah.
Marianna
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I feel like they didn't utilize her enough.
Seth
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Agreed. That's, again, it's like there were so many great pieces to this movie that could have just made it a 10 out of 10, darling. Indie movie.
Kyle
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When you told me that the first time, I'll be honest, my first reaction was, well, where did they improv? I was like, I just don't feel it or see it. I mean, these are comedians. I mean, of course they're Oregon comedians.
Marianna
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I mean, it really felt like they were Oregon comedians. Now that you say that, I'm like, of course. That's the gas.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Imagine if that was Nashville, you know, I don't know.
Seth
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Something else a lot of people don't know. This was originally a stage play, and then it was rewritten by the author of the stage play to be a screenplay.
And then eventually Rachel got her hands on it and she did some editing. I'm pretty Sure. I talk about one of those things in the randos, but yeah, she. She did some editing to it, and. And it came out to this.
But I didn't know it was a stage play before. And then when she mentioned it in the Q and A after, that's when a lot of things actually clicked a little bit better for me was.
Was having that understanding of this was originally on stage. It kind of made some. Some of the choices make a little more sense to me.
Kyle
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Interesting.
Seth
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Yeah.
Marianna
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It felt like a stage play.
Seth
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. And absolutely did.
Marianna
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So much sense.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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How did you encounter this film?
Marianna
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I really enjoyed it. I understand everything you're saying, though I will say the reasons that I enjoyed it is because I love a quiet movie where nothing happens.
Like, kind of my favorite thing. I love old French movies. Last Year at Marion Bad. Anybody. Literally nothing happens. It's like three hours, it's black and white. My favorite movie.
Seth
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Nice.
Marianna
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Old French movies are awesome.
Seth
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Yeah.
Marianna
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But this is kind of reminded me of, like, an old French movie where nothing happens. Definitely. And I kind of like that because, like, I could feel her depression.
But I did watch it, like, the middle of the day on my lunch break, too, so there is that.
Seth
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I do think Daisy did an incredible job with what she was given.
Marianna
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She's got a lot of depth when she's not doing or saying anything.
Like, I understood her character very well, especially when she, like, walks into her glass dollhouse, basically, and eats cottage cheese on a cookie.
Seth
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Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
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Like her. I'm like, I know this girl. She actually reminds me of a friend of mine.
Seth
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Oh, nice.
Marianna
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I'm like, this is a person I know, and definitely a person. I would love to be a fly on the wall in their life all the time, because I'm just like. I just watch them do nothing.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Yeah. You know, I. I got a little bit excited, you know, when you told me that one of the themes was suicidal ideation.
You know, I was a little excited about that. I mean, I don't want to be like, an open book here, but, yes, in my life, I've had a lot of struggles with depression. Suicidal ideation.
Seth
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Same here.
Kyle
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Yeah. Especially in my teen years. And I won't go too deep into it, but that is not an enjoyable thing to think about or part of my life. And I was.
And listen, I don't want to, like, judge other people's suicidal ideation, you know, like, you know, one's better than the other. I like mine better, you know, But I did not relate to those parts and those were the parts of the film I was excited about.
I kind of felt like, oh, maybe someone's going to explore this in a way that, you know, that could be meaningful. I. I honestly did not relate to that part of it at all. And that was kind of why I went into this movie. I felt.
I kind of felt that overall it was incredibly dry. I just didn't have anything to sink my teeth into.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And I agree that Daisy did a fantastic job, but I just. And I love self indulgent filmmaking. Yeah. I mean, my third favorite director of all time is Nicholas Wending. Refn.
I am a fan of self indulgent filmmaking.
Seth
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Absolutely. I love, I love when an artist can be unabashedly pretentious in what they're doing and just go balls to the wall.
Kyle
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That's me to a T. And I love Tom York for the same reason. Like, so many artists that I love are self indulgent people who don't give a damn.
But I, I just didn't, you know, like, what do they call that? Free soloing? You know, for that next little rock. I. There was never any place for me to put my. My fingers or my hands here. Not to get.
I hate my illusions. When I say them, I say, why did you. You're stupid.
Seth
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You're just stupid.
Kyle
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Stop talking. Don't do podcasts anymore. Give it. Give this to Seth and Mariana. They got it.
Marianna
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It made sense.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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You're looking, but, you know, they're. I. I get this visual like. And I just, like, was like at the bottom of the rock. Like, there's just nowhere to put my hands or feet. Like, I just.
There's not a character I relate to yet. There's these really complex ideas that I've experienced in my personal life.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And I. I'm not saying that they made light of it. They definitely didn't make fun of it.
Seth
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Definitely not light of it. And the moments that were humorous, I thought were very good. Humorous moments.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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Like I said, there's a lot. There was a lot of good that I could pull out and I didn't even have to look too hard.
But then there were other times where it's like I wanted to pull something good.
Kyle
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Yes.
Seth
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Out of a scene and I really had to reach to find it if it was. Was there.
Kyle
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Yeah. I think. I agree. And I think part of it is a self rel reflection on me. I'm kind of projecting a little bit because I.
I tend to want to experience the subject matter in a very dark, crass way.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And I didn't see that. I thought it was going to be more violent. Not violent, but just more visceral.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And. But I will say the best scene in the movie that I did relate to really hard. And there was only really. This is really the only scene that I. I felt.
I felt. I felt heard. But when Robert. They're in the car and. And she says, you can't even. What does she say? You can't even stay married or what?
Is that the quote?
Seth
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Oh, yeah. You're exhausting to talk to. No wonder you couldn't stay married.
Kyle
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I. That hurt me. Yeah. Because that was a very real insult.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And as a person that struggled with the things that the main. The protagonist struggles with, I have, in my moments of darkness, have said very hurtful things to people.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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That I love, that I can't take back. And that actually, of all the. That I didn't like and that I didn't find relatable, that one moment spoke very loudly.
Seth
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Absolutely.
Kyle
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And I actually left that scene thinking more of that.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
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You know, not necessarily the setting or what she did, but just more of those relatable things that happen when you're. The visuals are one thing, but there is a behavior and there is a. There is a mentality and an effect that this type of thinking has on.
Seth
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Oh, yeah. There was an audible reaction in the theater with that moment. Moment happened.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seth
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Like, every single one of us was like.
Marianna
00:13:13.560 - 00:13:14.256
Oh.
Seth
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Like we felt it.
Kyle
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And the actor, Robert. Is it Mehera? Is that how you pronounce it? Maherji. It's a very interesting, cool last name, but I wish I could pronounce it correctly. I'm sorry.
But he Actually, that was the best acting moment in the movie because his. He. The way he got downtrodden and that moment spoke to me, and I just wanted more of those moments.
Seth
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Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
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That was my. That was my biggest takeaway, that. And it's somewhere between. Are you familiar with the. The genre Mumble Corps?
Marianna
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I was gonna bring that up, actually. Yeah.
Kyle
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You were.
Marianna
00:13:44.798 - 00:13:45.526
Yeah.
Kyle
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I am actually not. I'm not necessarily a fan of mumblecore, but I'm a fan of a movie called Bellflower.
Seth
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Okay.
Kyle
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Which is. Is. Was directed by Evan Gledel. And it's. He's kind of one of the inventors of the mumblecore genre. And it's this idea that we don't have scripts.
We talk like we're normal people, but it's almost exaggerated.
Seth
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Yeah.
Kyle
00:14:03.878 - 00:14:05.094
It's like hyperbolic.
Seth
00:14:05.142 - 00:14:07.440
We're kind of like that Michael Crichton style.
Kyle
00:14:07.520 - 00:14:07.824
Yes.
Seth
00:14:07.872 - 00:14:20.016
If you've seen Timeline, which is actually one of my favorite time.
Time travel movies, that's one of the big things about it is everyone's overlapping their conversations, everyone's talking at the same time, and yet you can still sort of actually understand what everyone's saying.
Kyle
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Yeah. And there's no real acting. I mean, they're not. And it's still good and entertaining. Like the whole premise of Bellflowers. They're trying to build.
They're rebuilding the Mad Max car for the apocalypse, but they're alcoholics and they're out in the desert and they're in horrible relationships, they're on drugs. And it's a very interesting film. It's a very visual film. But anyway, I was watching this thinking, like, is this like a caricature of mumblecore?
It's like.
Marianna
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Did you, you. So you know about Mumble Corps? What did you think?
Marianna
00:14:45.218 - 00:15:05.080
Yeah, no, that occurred to me when I was watching it, honestly, because I remember all the Greta Gerwig movies where she's the, you know, protagonist as opposed to the director. Yeah. Back when she was acting more, I would say. But yeah, that's kind of what reminded. It reminded me a little bit of Frances. Ha. In a way.
And it also reminded me of melancholia.
Kyle
00:15:05.160 - 00:15:05.880
Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:15:05.960 - 00:15:09.880
But not. But it didn't have that, like, payoff at the end.
Seth
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Exactly. Melancholia. Visually, even if we just go strictly visually, I could see a lot of parallels between the two movies.
But what makes Lars von Trier a true auteur versus just a filmmaker is he takes those visceral visual images and pushes them to the absolute limit. The, the whole.
The fact that the first literally like three minutes of that movie are those gigantic slow motion, existential, ethereal looking shots, paintings. That's what I wanted out of this movie. I wanted those moments where she's like, standing in, in.
In the, the little office space with the snake or is laying on the, the, the. Like in that tent on the beach or in the middle of the woods. Like, all of those moments, I wanted them to be explored in more depth.
Marianna
00:16:01.414 - 00:16:12.854
Yeah. You know what just occurred to me as you were talking about this?
I'm wondering if there was a budget issue during the filming of the movie and they were like, oh, I guess we can't do everything we were gonna do, so we'll just make it, whatever.
Seth
00:16:12.902 - 00:16:16.054
From what I can tell, that was not the issue.
Marianna
00:16:16.142 - 00:16:19.222
Oh, no. Yeah, it kind of felt like that.
Seth
00:16:19.326 - 00:16:26.470
Yeah, it legitimately felt like money went to places that it, it wasn't used, utilized as best.
Marianna
00:16:26.850 - 00:16:28.042
The ketamine budget.
Seth
00:16:28.106 - 00:16:28.750
Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:29.810 - 00:16:30.714
Cottage cheese.
Seth
00:16:30.762 - 00:16:40.394
Yeah. From what I remember from, from the Q and A that she did, it wasn't. Money wasn't the issue.
It was, these were, these were conscious choices that, that were made for the making of the film.
Marianna
00:16:40.482 - 00:16:41.050
Okay.
Seth
00:16:41.130 - 00:16:41.530
Yeah.
Kyle
00:16:41.610 - 00:16:50.906
And I, I, I don't know that some of the stuff you're talking about with Von Trier, like, that's stuff that's not necessarily budget can fix even. And that's something that a visionary brings.
Seth
00:16:50.938 - 00:16:51.612
Exactly.
Kyle
00:16:51.746 - 00:16:55.256
And hate to be insulting and say I don't think the director's a visionary, but I just didn't get.
Seth
00:16:55.328 - 00:17:13.608
This is her third feature, so she's definitely young. I think there's, there's so much talent there and I think that she can definitely grow and, and expand into, into a potentially legendary filmmaker.
I just, I think, I think that there should have just been more discussion during this film about how things were going to be done.
Kyle
00:17:13.744 - 00:17:14.776
What were you gonna say? Sorry.
Marianna
00:17:14.808 - 00:17:33.286
Kind of felt like she didn't know what she was making. Yeah, it sort of felt like poetry. And I love that, that quote about poetry. You know, facts are like poetry and everybody fucking hates poetry.
Oh, that's probably not even the, probably not even the right thing.
Seth
00:17:33.358 - 00:17:36.886
Well, you just made a new quote then. It's a fantastic quote.
Kyle
00:17:37.078 - 00:17:42.390
Said Mariana Brown, 2012, in New York, sewing clothes.
Seth
00:17:42.550 - 00:17:44.256
It's on IMDb be now.
Kyle
00:17:44.408 - 00:17:45.904
I just put it on there. On your page?
Seth
00:17:45.952 - 00:17:46.320
Yeah.
Marianna
00:17:46.400 - 00:17:48.048
Perfect. I didn't even know I had one.
Kyle
00:17:48.104 - 00:17:48.944
Yeah, I just made.
Seth
00:17:49.032 - 00:17:50.512
Now it's getting weird over here.
Kyle
00:17:50.536 - 00:17:51.632
I'm making everyone a page.
Seth
00:17:51.696 - 00:17:53.360
One. One. I've already got one.
Marianna
00:17:53.480 - 00:17:55.700
Yeah, he's got a real page.
Seth
00:17:57.720 - 00:17:58.032
But.
Kyle
00:17:58.056 - 00:17:59.100
What were you saying?
Marianna
00:17:59.400 - 00:18:01.104
I kind of forgot, honestly.
Kyle
00:18:01.152 - 00:18:04.608
You said you, you didn't know what she, the kind of film she was trying to make, it kind of felt.
Marianna
00:18:04.624 - 00:18:20.216
Like she would got confused in the middle. Or, or maybe she set off to do one thing and then like during production it just, things happened and she wasn't good at.
This is where like Kubrick's horrible personality. Yeah. Or not horrible personality, but like demanding.
Seth
00:18:20.328 - 00:18:20.760
Yeah.
Marianna
00:18:20.840 - 00:19:07.078
Doesn't care what people think of him. This is, I hate saying this. This is so controversial. Just rip me apart in the comments. It's fine.
When it comes to female directors, I'm wondering if we've gotten to a place in society where women have finally gotten over their people pleasing natures, where they can handle a production the way a man does. And I'm Only saying that because people actually treat you differently as a woman in every setting that you're ever in.
It doesn't matter if you're the boss, you know, and it doesn't necessarily matter about the people that you hire. It's always this, you know, collaboration effort. I don't know necessarily if she even knows if that's how it worked.
And I don't want to say that I know more than her, but I'm just saying, like, I wonder how much of the choices that I don't like in the movie and that you don't like.
Seth
00:19:07.134 - 00:19:07.438
Yeah.
Marianna
00:19:07.494 - 00:19:11.902
And then everybody seems to think that it's not necessarily a whole movie.
Seth
00:19:11.966 - 00:19:12.302
Yeah.
Marianna
00:19:12.366 - 00:19:19.870
You know, I wonder if those came from moments of, like, just trying to get the day over.
Seth
00:19:19.990 - 00:19:28.926
Yeah. You know, because I definitely agree with you that it kind of loses what it's trying to be in the middle.
And you can tell the bookends of it really know what it's trying to be.
Marianna
00:19:28.998 - 00:19:30.510
And it's so good up until a point.
Seth
00:19:30.550 - 00:19:30.990
Yeah.
Marianna
00:19:31.070 - 00:19:36.376
It's really engaging. And that's what. I kind of got upset about it because I'm like, I want to like this.
Seth
00:19:36.448 - 00:19:36.744
Yeah.
Marianna
00:19:36.792 - 00:19:44.008
And I did like a lot of it. So I. I do overall like the movie a lot, and I like what she was doing with it. I'm really excited to see where she goes next.
Seth
00:19:44.064 - 00:19:53.288
Yeah, absolutely. And I. I. Same thing.
I went into the movie with absolutely no preconceived notion other than I saw the preview literally 10 minutes before the movie started.
Marianna
00:19:53.344 - 00:19:53.832
Oh, wow.
Seth
00:19:53.896 - 00:20:26.998
Yeah. So I had no. No expectations. No. Nothing soured my. My attempt to view the movie. It's just, like I said, as someone who. This is what I want to do.
It just frustrated me to see. And again, hindsight is 20 20. I'm having the luxury of watching the movie already finished.
I'm not the one in the trenches trying to make it happen from scratch.
But it's like, I saw what just seemed like very obvious things that could have been fixed to just set it over into a very memorable, somewhat legendary indie film.
Marianna
00:20:27.144 - 00:20:28.458
It had so much potential.
Seth
00:20:28.554 - 00:20:29.162
So much.
Kyle
00:20:29.266 - 00:20:53.962
Yeah. Yeah. And it's so weird when you go into a movie like this. Rarely happens, especially on the podcast, because I'm typically working with something I.
I have experience with. Like, I. I don't even really feel connected to Daisy Ridley at all. Like, I didn't know the director. I know none of the cast. Like, I, I didn't.
I had never heard of this until you told me about it. I. I had. I. I Literally had zero expectations and zero knowledge.
Seth
00:20:54.026 - 00:20:54.314
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:54.362 - 00:20:58.230
Coming into it. And that's not happened to me in a while. I had not seen.
Marianna
00:20:58.570 - 00:20:58.994
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:59.042 - 00:21:02.914
At least with other movies, I've seen a trail. Like, I hadn't. This movie was never on my radar.
Seth
00:21:02.962 - 00:21:03.590
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:04.170 - 00:21:21.298
But, yeah. So, yeah, it's interesting. And I agree. There's no hard edges either. That's another problem for such a dark subject matter.
I never felt challenged by the philosophy in the film. I never felt a sharp edge. I do want to be with this, like, poked a little.
Seth
00:21:21.354 - 00:21:21.538
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:21.554 - 00:21:36.350
You know, I just never. And even.
Even in the scene where, like, the feet are lifting and, like, it took me a minute to register that she's supposed to be thinking about Hung hanging herself in the crane. But the way that was even presented, I was like, I. It took me a. Like, it didn't.
Seth
00:21:36.430 - 00:21:36.686
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:36.718 - 00:21:38.062
That could have been more impactful.
Seth
00:21:38.126 - 00:21:38.942
It could have.
Kyle
00:21:39.046 - 00:21:45.790
And I hate to say it because it's a horrible visual, but they could have straight up just showed her hanging from the crane.
Seth
00:21:45.870 - 00:21:46.318
Could have.
Marianna
00:21:46.374 - 00:21:47.358
I was waiting for them to.
Kyle
00:21:47.414 - 00:21:51.038
Yes. And it would have been horrible. But that is what suicidal ideation is.
Seth
00:21:51.094 - 00:21:51.454
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:51.502 - 00:21:54.670
And if that's the theme of this movie, why the. Didn't you just show me something?
Seth
00:21:54.790 - 00:23:12.556
Exactly. So before we get to the. The questions, basically, my biggest critique of this film is it should have been 15 to 20 minutes longer.
And all of those images that she encounters throughout the movie. Because. Because, you know, she. She says the horrible thing to the dude. He's like, get the fuck out of my car.
And she goes and wallows on the floor of her apartment for the rest of the weekend. And that was it. Like, that was the entire montage.
And literally my roommate said, I can't believe Twilight did a passing of time montage better than this movie. But what could have been really cool is if all of those images while she's on her apartment floor.
What if she falls asleep and suddenly now has to confront every single one of those images of her dying and. And kind of use. Like, what if they had used that.
That office space with the snake in it as, like, a central location where she starts this existential journey, confronting these thoughts head on? Yeah, I think that could have been.
And then that's what inspires her to go grab him at the end and share this part of her life with him to help him understand where she's coming from. Like, again, the bones were there, the. The visuals were there. It just wasn't leaned into enough, in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:12.588 - 00:23:18.588
And the fact that that's how they. They reconcile. Like, he. His whole premise is he doesn't know her.
Seth
00:23:18.644 - 00:23:19.020
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:19.100 - 00:23:25.164
And then she says that thing, and then, like, oh, he all of a sudden feels the most amount of empathy a person's ever felt.
Seth
00:23:25.212 - 00:23:25.628
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:25.724 - 00:23:26.684
If you don't know her.
Seth
00:23:26.772 - 00:23:27.036
Yeah.
Kyle
00:23:27.068 - 00:23:45.080
It's like, if I don't know, you know, I don't know. Like, I almost hot dog when I was five. And you're like, you're a psycho. Like, I don't know you. When you're talking to me about.
When you were five, he choked on a hot dog. It's like. It just was like. Like, why is he able to go from not knowing her to. This is. All of a sudden we are cementing our relationship.
Seth
00:23:45.160 - 00:23:52.504
Yeah. Because it's not even a moment where she's like, I tried to kill myself once. It's.
Sometimes I think about dying and I would literally would just be like, don't we all?
Kyle
00:23:52.592 - 00:23:54.008
Yeah. Yeah.
Seth
00:23:54.184 - 00:24:07.062
That was another problem I had was I didn't feel like there was any understanding as to why she is this way. Because when. When we were watching it, my roommate literally just goes, oh, she's depressed because she lives in Oregon.
Kyle
00:24:07.206 - 00:24:07.622
Yeah.
Seth
00:24:07.686 - 00:24:10.982
Like, that's why she hates everything. Yeah. It's just so depressing here.
Marianna
00:24:11.006 - 00:24:16.550
Anyway, she doesn't have a happy life. She also doesn't do anything to change her life at all.
Seth
00:24:16.590 - 00:24:17.094
Yeah.
Marianna
00:24:17.222 - 00:24:18.918
It looks like she lives in her grandmother's house.
Seth
00:24:18.974 - 00:24:19.382
Yeah.
Marianna
00:24:19.446 - 00:24:48.478
That she died and just took over the house. She goes home, she stands up and eats a cookie with cottage cheese on.
Like, to me, the movie, it's less about suicidal ideations and more about just depression because she's just kind of like these beautiful dead, like, vignettes of her. And I'm like, this isn't necessarily about her killing herself. Because, like, I mean, my suicidal ideation is. Is. It's different.
It's like somebody shooting me in the head through the window while sitting on the couch at my house.
Seth
00:24:48.534 - 00:24:48.952
Yeah.
Marianna
00:24:49.046 - 00:25:00.020
You know, or in the car getting run over by a car. And they happen every time I see a car, every time I'm sitting on the couch. And so it's like almost like the.
The director didn't even understand suicidal ideation.
Seth
00:25:00.100 - 00:25:00.356
Yeah.
Marianna
00:25:00.388 - 00:25:01.396
Yeah, Kind of.
Seth
00:25:01.468 - 00:25:03.812
Let's be real, though. That car crash scene was incredible.
Kyle
00:25:03.876 - 00:25:04.308
Yeah.
Seth
00:25:04.404 - 00:25:08.212
That was that in the theater. That just, like, blew my mind. How well done.
Kyle
00:25:08.236 - 00:25:10.532
That the only unique camera use of the camera.
Seth
00:25:10.596 - 00:25:10.836
Yeah.
Kyle
00:25:10.868 - 00:25:11.556
In the whole film.
Seth
00:25:11.628 - 00:25:13.076
100. Agreed.
Kyle
00:25:13.268 - 00:25:20.970
The questions, the questions. Is this. Is this film really a pseudo indictment on the negative effects of cottage cheese on society.
Seth
00:25:23.070 - 00:25:37.930
I love how these indie movies will just, like, pick the one thing that kind of internally becomes like a meme for the movie. And yeah, literally, I was reading through the letterboxd reviews and every, like, eighth one would just be like, cottage cheese.
Kyle
00:25:38.670 - 00:25:44.390
I'm 37 and I still don't understand cottage cheese. What it is, what it does, why people like it. Do you like it?
Seth
00:25:44.430 - 00:25:45.542
It's not even a real cheese.
Marianna
00:25:45.606 - 00:25:47.398
I don't. It's not even real cheese. You're right.
Kyle
00:25:47.454 - 00:25:52.070
I learned that cottage curd was not marketable.
Marianna
00:25:52.150 - 00:25:59.878
My husband eats cottage cheese, so I'm like, he likes good food, so I'm assuming it's good, but I don't know. I look at it and I'm like, I don't want that.
Kyle
00:25:59.934 - 00:26:01.494
Yeah, it looks like baby vomit.
Seth
00:26:01.542 - 00:26:04.118
Yeah. It's slimy. It's chunky. It's gross.
Marianna
00:26:04.214 - 00:26:06.598
It's like everything you don't want food to be.
Seth
00:26:06.654 - 00:26:06.934
Yeah.
Marianna
00:26:06.982 - 00:26:08.454
Yeah. I don't know.
Kyle
00:26:08.542 - 00:26:12.214
Yeah. The word texture doesn't even begin to describe what's wrong with cottage cheese.
Marianna
00:26:12.262 - 00:26:15.874
It's a skinny people food. You know, it. I.
Seth
00:26:15.962 - 00:26:16.994
Maybe that's what I'm missing.
Marianna
00:26:17.042 - 00:26:21.826
They eat like two. Like, seriously, she'll eat a scoop of it. On what, a cookie? What is that?
Seth
00:26:21.898 - 00:26:24.514
I couldn't tell what it was. It might have been a piece of meat.
Kyle
00:26:24.562 - 00:26:25.730
Like English muffin.
Seth
00:26:25.810 - 00:26:27.234
Yeah, like a Salisbury steak.
Kyle
00:26:27.282 - 00:26:28.722
The lighting wasn't good in that shot.
Seth
00:26:28.786 - 00:26:29.218
Yeah.
Marianna
00:26:29.314 - 00:26:34.978
But, yeah, that's my other thing. I'm like, no wonder you're depressed. Like, you get some overhead lighting.
Kyle
00:26:35.074 - 00:26:37.378
Get a. You have a nice enough house.
Seth
00:26:37.514 - 00:26:38.610
Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:26:38.690 - 00:26:44.530
That's the other thing. I'm like, I don't understand this girl's story. She clearly doesn't buy anything or clothes or anything at all.
Seth
00:26:44.570 - 00:26:44.852
Yeah.
Marianna
00:26:44.906 - 00:26:49.792
She's wearing the same stuff. And it is funny to me how ugly you can make Daisy Ridley in, like, horrible clothes.
Seth
00:26:49.856 - 00:26:50.192
Yeah.
Marianna
00:26:50.256 - 00:26:53.504
Or not ugly. She didn't look ugly. She just. Her clothes are horrible.
Seth
00:26:53.552 - 00:27:10.420
Yeah, yeah. It looked very plain. Obviously it was on purpose. And. And again, that's something. I do think the costuming was a very great choice in this movie.
Like, there were.
There were so many pieces that, like, worked well, and then there's gigantic chunks that just distract from how much good there was in the movie the Kurds. Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:11.320 - 00:27:14.648
She needs to get off the email list for the Edgar Allan Poe outlets.
Marianna
00:27:14.694 - 00:27:16.756
Store around the corner.
Kyle
00:27:16.868 - 00:27:19.092
Like, hey, we have another sale on gray turtlenecks.
Seth
00:27:19.156 - 00:27:19.800
Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:20.140 - 00:27:21.012
Long dresses.
Marianna
00:27:21.076 - 00:27:24.724
I didn't like Feel bad for her either. I'm just like, do something.
Kyle
00:27:24.812 - 00:27:25.956
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Marianna
00:27:26.028 - 00:27:26.772
Pilates.
Seth
00:27:26.916 - 00:27:41.916
And you could tell because, like, watching it the second time, I was able to start looking at some of the production choices that were made.
You could tell that there was genuine thought put into the costuming because after she goes on the first date with the guy, she's wearing something red.
Marianna
00:27:41.988 - 00:27:42.332
Yeah.
Seth
00:27:42.396 - 00:28:04.860
Like, it's still a very muted red, but it's like there were very purposeful color choices that were made with Daisy's character and. And that were supposed to showcase her mood a little bit better. See that she was breaking out of her shell and.
And her colors, like, got a little more bright and a little more happy throughout it. And then that moment happens where. Where she tells him, that's why you can't stay married. And it goes straight back to just gray and brown.
Kyle
00:28:04.940 - 00:28:05.436
Yeah.
Seth
00:28:05.548 - 00:28:08.120
So definitely some thought put there.
Marianna
00:28:08.420 - 00:28:10.508
God, I love that line that she says.
Seth
00:28:10.564 - 00:28:10.844
Yeah.
Kyle
00:28:10.892 - 00:28:11.436
Which one?
Seth
00:28:11.508 - 00:28:15.644
The one that you're so exhausting to talk to. No wonder you can't stay married.
Marianna
00:28:15.692 - 00:28:22.124
I want to say that to so many people. When she said that, I was like, this is like, what I want to say to most people.
Seth
00:28:22.212 - 00:28:22.524
Yeah.
Marianna
00:28:22.572 - 00:28:24.012
You're so exhausting.
Seth
00:28:24.156 - 00:28:26.700
That's like when you really hate someone on a roast.
Marianna
00:28:26.860 - 00:28:33.148
Yeah. For real. You're so exhausting. I don't know why anybody likes you. Yeah. Just going to keep saying it over.
Kyle
00:28:33.204 - 00:28:35.598
Yeah. Your parents kept you in the house for eight, 18 years.
Seth
00:28:35.654 - 00:28:35.934
Yeah.
Marianna
00:28:35.982 - 00:28:36.382
Yeah.
Kyle
00:28:36.446 - 00:28:37.150
Unbelievable.
Marianna
00:28:37.230 - 00:28:38.174
Yeah. Alive.
Seth
00:28:38.302 - 00:28:38.654
Yeah.
Kyle
00:28:38.702 - 00:28:39.374
You're employed.
Seth
00:28:39.422 - 00:28:42.558
Yeah. Yeah. You haven't been fired yet.
Marianna
00:28:42.614 - 00:28:45.150
Moving from team to team because nobody wants you on their team.
Seth
00:28:45.190 - 00:28:45.950
Is that it?
Marianna
00:28:46.070 - 00:28:48.238
You can't figure out a reason to fire you?
Kyle
00:28:48.374 - 00:28:55.710
It could just be like, defense from falling down, though. He's just walking around Los Angeles, like, unemployed with a suitcase with an apple and a sandwich in it.
Seth
00:28:55.750 - 00:28:56.974
Yeah. Pocket protector.
Kyle
00:28:57.022 - 00:28:59.130
That's gonna be my move next time I get laid off.
Seth
00:28:59.510 - 00:29:00.290
Yeah.
Marianna
00:29:00.720 - 00:29:01.224
Crazy.
Seth
00:29:01.272 - 00:29:02.680
You're not going to start another podcast?
Kyle
00:29:02.760 - 00:29:08.216
No. Well, I could. Yeah. I could do more free work. Yeah, for sure. I could do definitely a lot more underpaid work.
Marianna
00:29:08.288 - 00:29:10.024
We're not being paid for this.
Kyle
00:29:10.192 - 00:29:17.688
Sorry. You. There's a thing from House Plant that showed up. You can take that home. Is it a huge.
Seth
00:29:17.704 - 00:29:19.096
You can take one of his kids?
Kyle
00:29:19.288 - 00:29:20.488
Yeah, sure. I want.
Marianna
00:29:20.544 - 00:29:21.912
Oh, my God. I'll take the little one.
Kyle
00:29:22.016 - 00:29:24.328
Theo. The one that's waking up at 4:30 every day.
Marianna
00:29:24.384 - 00:29:26.308
Baby. Is he a baby?
Kyle
00:29:26.424 - 00:29:27.036
Three now.
Marianna
00:29:27.108 - 00:29:28.140
Okay, this may be enough.
Kyle
00:29:28.180 - 00:29:29.276
He's crazy.
Marianna
00:29:29.468 - 00:29:30.428
That's the one I want.
Kyle
00:29:30.484 - 00:29:32.684
He's got curls. His name is Theo.
Marianna
00:29:32.732 - 00:29:33.196
Oh, my God.
Kyle
00:29:33.228 - 00:29:34.572
I love. He looks just like me.
Marianna
00:29:34.676 - 00:29:35.052
Perfect.
Kyle
00:29:35.116 - 00:29:35.692
Yeah.
Marianna
00:29:35.836 - 00:29:36.476
Cute baby.
Seth
00:29:36.508 - 00:29:38.460
I was hoping he looked like Theo Huxtable.
Kyle
00:29:38.540 - 00:29:39.200
Yeah.
Marianna
00:29:39.700 - 00:29:42.080
Like Theo Vaughn. And he just had, like, a little mullet.
Kyle
00:29:42.580 - 00:29:47.676
Or Theo Ratliff, the 610 black basketball player for the 76ers. He looks just like Theo Ratliff.
Seth
00:29:47.708 - 00:29:49.360
You're just like, damn, kid.
Kyle
00:29:51.780 - 00:30:02.000
Was it a huge missed opportunity for this movie? Sometimes I think about dying to not have the song I Hate Myself and Want to Die by Nirvana in the soundtrack. Is that a huge missed opportunity?
Seth
00:30:02.080 - 00:30:06.660
I think it was. I think that would have made a way better ending song. Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:30:07.080 - 00:30:20.832
There was so much depression material they could have used and all of other art that would have made it just a little bit more interesting. And again, I'm only saying it because I really liked the bones of the movie.
Kyle
00:30:20.896 - 00:30:22.592
Yeah. I just.
Marianna
00:30:22.696 - 00:30:26.658
I hate when I enjoy something so much to a point, and then I'm.
Seth
00:30:26.674 - 00:30:32.930
Just like, I would love to read the stage play. I would love to know how different the stage play is from this.
Marianna
00:30:33.050 - 00:30:33.682
Yeah.
Kyle
00:30:33.826 - 00:30:40.626
This would work so well as an indie stage play. Like a small playhouse. Like. Like a real small room. 50 seats less.
Seth
00:30:40.698 - 00:30:42.738
I think that. I think that's what it was. Yeah, Yeah.
Kyle
00:30:42.834 - 00:30:44.226
I could love it in that.
Seth
00:30:44.298 - 00:30:45.010
Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:30:45.090 - 00:30:48.866
Because I think you could feel almost engrossed in it in that way.
Marianna
00:30:48.938 - 00:30:49.330
Yeah.
Kyle
00:30:49.410 - 00:30:53.394
Yeah. And if. For those that don't know, I Hate Myself and Want to Die was a B side on In Utero.
Seth
00:30:53.442 - 00:30:53.842
And you can.
Kyle
00:30:53.866 - 00:31:01.662
You can hear it on the. The digital deluxe or you can get the deluxe vinyl. Sorry, I had to go to town on that one. Not everyone knows that song.
Seth
00:31:01.726 - 00:31:03.678
Yeah, I've heard of it. I just haven't heard it.
Kyle
00:31:03.734 - 00:31:04.750
Oh, wait till you hear it.
Seth
00:31:04.790 - 00:31:05.102
Okay.
Kyle
00:31:05.166 - 00:31:12.062
Four minutes. Four minutes of bliss. All right, Rando. Sometimes I make myself want a rando.
Seth
00:31:12.206 - 00:31:13.166
How many do you have?
Kyle
00:31:13.238 - 00:31:17.822
I have five, but they are. They are a stretch. Most of them are from you.
Seth
00:31:17.926 - 00:31:57.950
Oh, well, I'm gonna. I'll. I'll do mine, and I'll start with this one.
Something I thought was a really cool artistic decision was actually the aspect ratio of how it was filmed. It wasn't full widescreen, but it wasn't full, like, four by three. It was just pulled in a little bit.
And that was a very conscious choice that she made to feel.
Make everything feel more claustrophobic, which, again, in context of how it was supposed to be looked at and how her life, in her mind, is supposed to be caving in a little bit. Like, I kind of like that pulling it in and, and not having the extremely wide perspective. So that's a, That's a little fun. Little rando right there.
Kyle
00:31:58.070 - 00:31:58.878
Rando.
Seth
00:31:58.974 - 00:32:01.998
Looking into little film making aspects. What you got.
Kyle
00:32:02.054 - 00:32:05.694
And we just got done talking about the Shining, which was filled with ratio aspects.
Seth
00:32:05.742 - 00:32:06.062
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:06.126 - 00:32:35.464
Homemade. Homemade lenses. The one, the one I added was one of the interesting things about how this movie was portrayed.
I think this actually goes back to your comment about the director, is that this was filmed in the heart of COVID Yeah. And it was a pandemic film. And she talks a lot about, in interviews, about how that was very much on their minds.
And like, they talk specifically about like this idea of, like, when you ask somebody how they're doing and like, I'm fine and like, you actually know they're blowing up and melting down inside.
Seth
00:32:35.512 - 00:32:36.008
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:36.104 - 00:32:52.102
And I think that mental health aspect was definitely on their mind because it was almost like even though they're presenting like this very harsh mental healthness truth, it's presented in this, like, we're going to be very docile around people mental health thing.
Seth
00:32:52.126 - 00:32:52.326
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:52.358 - 00:32:54.822
It's like wrapped up in this oh, we care about mental health bundle.
Seth
00:32:54.886 - 00:32:55.174
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:55.222 - 00:33:00.390
And I, I just think this was. Maybe there was. There were movies that were made during that. Like the Batman was made.
Seth
00:33:00.430 - 00:33:00.694
Yeah.
Kyle
00:33:00.742 - 00:33:12.256
During that time. I mean, there were movies being made and obviously this didn't have a Batman budget. But.
But I, I just, I don't understand, like, how they let that dictate. You know what I mean?
Seth
00:33:12.328 - 00:34:06.656
I mean, a lot of people did. I.
I mean, I shot a music video in the middle of COVID where the artist wanted everyone to be in an enclosed space on marionette strings, all ballroom dancing together. And originally he was like, I want everyone to have these cool Victorian, like, masquerade masks.
And immediately I was like, or we could custom make really fancy Covid masks so we can still have what you're trying to get across, but. But also make everyone on set feel more comfortable about literally being like, mouth to mouth, face to face.
So I feel like for some people, it drove innovation. Not saying that was necessarily an innovative idea, but it looked cool.
It ended up working better than I think the other one would have for the themes in the music video. But it can push you to pivot into things that can make it better, or it can allow you to get lazy and say, oh, Covid was the reason why we.
Kyle
00:34:06.798 - 00:34:07.804
You are an innovator.
Seth
00:34:07.852 - 00:34:08.920
Oh, thank you.
Kyle
00:34:10.580 - 00:34:15.628
I just had to say that out loud. But, yeah, that was the only rando I added to your list.
Seth
00:34:15.684 - 00:35:14.876
Okay. My second. So now the third rando. So this is something I actually want to hear both of your opinions on.
She talked about in the Q and A that I watched, how the original screenplay, which was done by the author of the stage play, originally had Daisy's character doing an inner monologue for most of the office scenes. So whenever you're sitting there and everyone's in the background talking about hole punchers and staplers and.
And all the kind of mundane bullshit, she would be going through everything that she's actually feeling on the inside through an inner monologue. And from what I can tell, Daisy had access to that version of the script and was able to utilize that in what she was acting.
But it was a very purposeful decision that Rachel made to cut that out of the final product of the movie, which, in my personal opinion, was one of the biggest missteps of making that movie. What do you guys think? How do you think that would have affected things, having the inner monologue?
Marianna
00:35:14.988 - 00:35:19.372
Oh, I think I would have liked that a lot more, necessarily. I think it would have given her more depth.
Seth
00:35:19.436 - 00:35:20.012
I agree.
Marianna
00:35:20.116 - 00:35:26.444
Because another thing that I keep forgetting about is it's sometimes I think about dying. It's not. Sometimes I think about killing myself.
Seth
00:35:26.492 - 00:35:26.920
Yeah.
Marianna
00:35:27.020 - 00:35:35.568
So I feel like she's just dead and, like, she just imagines herself dying in these scenarios. It's not that she's killing herself. She's just like, what if I got strung up by this crane right now?
Seth
00:35:35.624 - 00:35:36.336
Yeah.
Marianna
00:35:36.528 - 00:35:45.568
So I don't know. I would have really liked that, honestly, to just get a little bit more context. Because the office scenes were the ones where I'm like, I hate this.
Seth
00:35:45.624 - 00:35:45.984
Yeah.
Marianna
00:35:46.032 - 00:35:51.872
I hate watching this. I hate watching other people be in offices. Although I will say, all the office talk was amazing.
Seth
00:35:51.936 - 00:35:52.384
Oh, yeah.
Marianna
00:35:52.432 - 00:35:53.072
That was hilarious.
Seth
00:35:53.136 - 00:35:53.424
Yeah.
Marianna
00:35:53.472 - 00:35:58.486
And Meg Stalter, again, her favorite. When she do. When they're like, I like Thai food.
Seth
00:35:58.558 - 00:35:59.290
Yeah.
Marianna
00:36:00.190 - 00:36:11.478
Crazy. It's like, why? Why not? Yeah. And I'm just like, that's exactly how I am in the office. I'm just, like, trying to just be alive and try to be myself.
Seth
00:36:11.574 - 00:36:11.942
Yeah.
Marianna
00:36:12.006 - 00:36:13.702
Or, wait, no, I like sirloins.
Seth
00:36:13.766 - 00:36:15.574
Yeah. Ribeyes.
Marianna
00:36:15.622 - 00:36:15.846
Yeah.
Seth
00:36:15.878 - 00:36:16.502
Rib eyes.
Marianna
00:36:16.566 - 00:36:20.006
God, I've only seen it once. My favorite's a ribeye.
Seth
00:36:20.038 - 00:36:20.650
Yeah.
Marianna
00:36:20.990 - 00:36:24.190
But, yeah, I wish there had been more. That would have been great.
Seth
00:36:24.270 - 00:36:25.086
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:25.278 - 00:36:33.886
Yeah. I think I. If it was done in a way that acted as a counterpoint because that's what this movie needed. Was a counterpoint.
Seth
00:36:33.918 - 00:36:34.510
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:34.670 - 00:36:40.830
I don't necessarily feel like I need the inner monologue to tell me what she's thinking.
Seth
00:36:40.910 - 00:36:41.246
Sure.
Kyle
00:36:41.318 - 00:36:46.862
It would have been interesting to know what she thinks about other stuff. The stimuli.
Seth
00:36:46.926 - 00:36:47.534
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:47.662 - 00:37:06.270
Even something like corporatism or politics, like. Because that's what makes things interesting. Is that with.
With ideation is that there's triggers involved and there's things that actually trigger, like, experiences, conversations, things you see on tv. Will. A song, for example. For me, songs freaking trigger that stuff all the time.
Seth
00:37:06.310 - 00:37:06.926
Oh, yeah.
Kyle
00:37:07.038 - 00:37:17.002
Because it takes me back to childhood, you know, when I experienced. The first time I experienced that ideation. But I. I would love to have known almost the extemporaneous thoughts.
Seth
00:37:17.086 - 00:37:17.586
Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:17.698 - 00:37:28.946
That polluted her mind because that's really what that is all about. And obsessive thoughts. Right. Intrusive thoughts. If it was taken in that direction, I think it actually could have bumped this movie up.
Seth
00:37:29.018 - 00:37:30.098
Oh, 100.
Kyle
00:37:30.234 - 00:37:30.914
Yeah. Yeah.
Seth
00:37:30.962 - 00:37:56.880
There's a lot of moments in the movie, like when she's just standing by the copy machine and, like, waiting for whatever she's printing to happen. I And. And my roommate, and we're discussing this. It would have been so interesting to have had more of these moments where she. She does kill herself.
And then it cuts back to just the regular whatever's actually happening. Like, what if she's just standing there waiting for the copier?
She's watching all the pages printing out, and then she just grabs a pen and stabs herself in the.
Kyle
00:37:56.920 - 00:37:57.376
Yeah.
Seth
00:37:57.488 - 00:38:51.324
Like, things like that could have been inserted in there to. To really drive that point home. And what I think the inner monologue would have done.
My biggest problem with this was the fact that every time we're in the office, nothing is said that furthers the plot of this or the story in general. It's just words. It's just stuff being said, which I can understand to a point. You kind of do need that to get that feeling of, oh, wow.
I would hate my life too, if this is the stuff everyone around me is talking about. But to have that be that almost. Like, I think Daisy literally says, like, two words in the first 25 minutes of movie.
And to have nothing else that really makes me care about what's happening on screen that I think would have been fixed by hearing what she's actually thinking while all this other stuff is happening.
Kyle
00:38:51.452 - 00:38:54.412
The movie is one tone and it's one direction.
Seth
00:38:54.476 - 00:38:54.716
Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:54.748 - 00:39:05.788
The entire time. And that's why I use the word counter. To your point. It's like nothing ever pulled us out, you know, you're on the trolley. And there are moments.
The biggest moment is when she says that. That mean thing.
Seth
00:39:05.844 - 00:39:06.238
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:06.324 - 00:39:15.210
That was the. That was the climax. And, like. But nothing else ever, like, jolted you or. Or gave you pause or. It's just this one tone, one direction the whole time.
Seth
00:39:15.250 - 00:39:15.562
Yeah.
Marianna
00:39:15.626 - 00:39:17.706
It kind of felt like bad reality tv.
Seth
00:39:17.818 - 00:39:18.250
Little bit.
Marianna
00:39:18.290 - 00:39:19.466
With, like, a boring person.
Seth
00:39:19.538 - 00:39:20.986
A little bit. Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:39:21.098 - 00:39:22.282
The office without humor.
Seth
00:39:22.346 - 00:39:23.402
Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:39:23.546 - 00:39:26.698
But also just like, this girl doesn't have a personality either.
Kyle
00:39:26.794 - 00:39:27.930
Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:39:28.010 - 00:39:29.306
She doesn't seem to.
Kyle
00:39:29.458 - 00:39:31.274
Yeah. That's an interesting question you posed.
Seth
00:39:31.322 - 00:40:28.332
Yeah.
So the final rando that I have the Snow White music at the very end of the movie with that one shot, which, again, you have all the plants in the room. There was a little bit of a theme of plants throughout the whole movie, but it was. There was so little that I'm just like, why.
Why did you choose this moment to finally do another really cool, artistic thing that relates to almost nothing else in the movie? But that moment where. Where you're hearing the Snow White song and the things pulling out. That wasn't the original plan.
I don't know what their original song was, but in the editing room, she was sitting there with the editor, and she made a joke about how, oh, what if we put the Snow White song there? And she thought it'd be funny.
And he said, don't tempt me, bitch, and literally went and found the song and put it in, and they press play, and he turns around right when it hits the end of the shot, and she is just in tears, crying her eyes out. She's like, that's the shot. That's perfect. And so they called Disney up, and Disney gave him the. The permission to use it.
Kyle
00:40:28.436 - 00:40:28.876
Interesting.
Seth
00:40:28.908 - 00:40:37.020
So, yeah, it's.
That's one of those, like, little happy accidents where it started completely as a joke and then ended up being the thing that she loved about the ending.
Kyle
00:40:37.100 - 00:40:42.960
And do you think their relationship with Disney and Daisy helped alleviate the royalty costs?
Seth
00:40:43.380 - 00:40:53.794
Not the cost, but it probably may streamline the process of getting it approved. Just having someone like, especially, like you said, Daisy, having that relation to Disney, it definitely didn't hurt. Hurt the situation.
Kyle
00:40:53.922 - 00:40:56.770
Because this movie made $300,000, which is.
Seth
00:40:56.810 - 00:40:57.954
Kind of impressive, in my opinion.
Kyle
00:40:58.002 - 00:40:58.226
Yeah.
Seth
00:40:58.258 - 00:41:18.392
Because it did not get a wide release. It was pretty much. I. I remember watching her Instagram because I followed her after the. After I watched the Q and A, and she was going through.
It's like every new city it would get released in. It was like a big deal for her, and I'm very happy that.
That a lot of people were able to see it and that hopefully this will push her to just do something even better next time.
Kyle
00:41:18.546 - 00:41:22.348
Yeah. 326k. Yeah, I definitely agree that there's upside.
Seth
00:41:22.444 - 00:41:35.212
Yeah, for sure. Yeah. There's. Again, there was. The bones were so good, and I could see the talent that is there. It just. I feel like.
I feel like something else needed to happen to really push this over the edge.
Kyle
00:41:35.276 - 00:41:35.516
Yeah.
Marianna
00:41:35.548 - 00:41:38.332
Yeah. I will say, though, I thought about it a lot afterwards.
Seth
00:41:38.396 - 00:41:38.684
Yeah.
Marianna
00:41:38.732 - 00:41:42.476
I still think about it a lot. And I wonder if that was more of what she was going for.
Seth
00:41:42.548 - 00:42:03.760
Yeah, I just. And maybe this is just the filmmaker in me. The.
The thoughts that I were having about the movie were also counterbalanced by the thoughts I was having about how frustrated I was with. With the little. She would dip her toe in being super artistic and then just like, oh, but we're back here now.
We're just back to the regular office again.
Marianna
00:42:03.880 - 00:42:09.824
And she was so good at holding your attention. Like, she's a good director. Yeah, I think absolutely. Very good.
Seth
00:42:09.912 - 00:42:10.278
Yeah.
Marianna
00:42:10.344 - 00:42:27.882
And she reminds me of a lot of my favorite directors, too. So that's another thing. So I want to give credit where credit's due, 100%. I just, like, I've had this with so many indie movies where I'm just like.
At the end, I'm like. And where is the punchline? Where's the rest of this joke?
Seth
00:42:27.946 - 00:42:44.188
Yeah, yeah. You know, give me the gut punch that I truly want. I. Because, yeah, you have that.
That insane moment in the car, and I'm just like, I need some payoff. And the payoff was not it. It was literally a straight roll credits moment where she's like, oh, sometimes I think about dying.
Marianna
00:42:44.284 - 00:42:44.652
Yeah.
Seth
00:42:44.716 - 00:42:56.780
I'm just like, that should not have been the impactful thing that you said to end the movie. There should have been a different way of saying that. That made it way more powerful than just saying the title of the movie.
Marianna
00:42:56.860 - 00:42:59.420
And I really wish that the title of the movie had been different.
Seth
00:42:59.540 - 00:43:00.028
Yeah.
Marianna
00:43:00.124 - 00:43:01.132
Not a great title.
Seth
00:43:01.196 - 00:43:01.532
Yeah.
Marianna
00:43:01.596 - 00:43:04.380
I wouldn't have wanted to watch it. And if y'all hadn't talked about it.
Seth
00:43:04.420 - 00:43:21.092
Honestly, I was kind of like, that was the name of the play. There was a short film.
I don't know if the playwright made the short film before, but there was a short film made back in 2019, I think maybe 2017, somewhere around there, and then this. So, I mean, I guess the name kind of had the stick in order to use the property.
Marianna
00:43:21.156 - 00:43:23.860
But the title kind of makes me think about dying.
Seth
00:43:23.940 - 00:43:24.600
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:25.260 - 00:43:26.324
I can't help it.
Seth
00:43:26.412 - 00:43:26.772
Yeah.
Kyle
00:43:26.836 - 00:43:34.136
They could have called it a cottage industry. They could have called it Cranes are to Blame.
Seth
00:43:34.328 - 00:43:38.392
Cranes, Snakes, and the woods. I don't know.
Marianna
00:43:38.576 - 00:43:43.560
I feel like naming the movie is kind of hard if you don't already have a name in mind. I don't know what I would have called it.
Kyle
00:43:43.600 - 00:43:45.540
Yeah, Daisy does Death.
Marianna
00:43:47.760 - 00:43:50.100
That would have actually been a lot better.
Seth
00:43:52.960 - 00:43:53.896
Shall we war?
Kyle
00:43:53.968 - 00:43:57.112
Shall we die? Shall we Ideal.
Seth
00:43:57.176 - 00:43:57.928
Shall we Crane?
Kyle
00:43:58.024 - 00:43:59.966
Shall we Crane? Shall we cottage?
Seth
00:44:00.128 - 00:44:01.346
Shall we curd.
Kyle
00:44:01.458 - 00:44:06.610
So our positive is frantastic. It was.
Seth
00:44:06.650 - 00:44:06.962
Yes.
Kyle
00:44:07.026 - 00:44:11.190
It was fantastic. And if you didn't like it, I'm thinking about dying.
Seth
00:44:11.690 - 00:44:12.470
Cool.
Kyle
00:44:13.610 - 00:44:16.306
So that's the best I could come up with.
Seth
00:44:16.378 - 00:44:16.818
That's good.
Kyle
00:44:16.874 - 00:44:20.530
This movie didn't give me a ton, but I thought, that's amazing. I thought fantastic would be good.
Marianna
00:44:20.570 - 00:44:21.910
Fantastic's amazing.
Kyle
00:44:22.250 - 00:44:34.078
Top bill cast, Daisy Ridley and David Morahey. I think that's how you say it. It's M E R H E J E Murahi, I believe. Okay, I'm sorry, Dave. I don't want to disrespect you.
Seth
00:44:34.214 - 00:44:38.158
Please correct us in the comments and yell at him and make him put the word the in front of your.
Kyle
00:44:38.214 - 00:44:39.118
The mariehi.
Marianna
00:44:39.214 - 00:44:42.370
He told me before this he was gonna mispronounce your name on purpose.
Kyle
00:44:42.710 - 00:44:46.558
It's been my plan all along. Five years of this podcast has brought me to this point.
Seth
00:44:46.614 - 00:44:51.470
He incepted me to make this movie our part of our podcast so that he could do that.
Kyle
00:44:51.510 - 00:44:52.510
Your move, Dave.
Marianna
00:44:52.590 - 00:44:57.746
I'm actually a robot that they created because they needed a girl. Watch.
Kyle
00:44:57.878 - 00:44:59.710
She's a stunt. Mariana.
Seth
00:45:00.130 - 00:45:38.600
I think the two of them were frantastic again. I think. I think Daisy could have been given something a little better to work with, but what she was given to work with, I think she took it to 110%.
I think she was completely immersed in the character. Even though she didn't say a lot, never once did. I think her American accent was fake. Like, she. She 100% embodied that character.
And David, I think, did such a good job at being the, like, fun, dorky dude to kind of, like, counteract her insanely introverted, depressed self. So I think they definitely played off each other well. So, yeah, I'm gonna say frantastic.
Kyle
00:45:38.680 - 00:45:39.820
Fantastic.
Marianna
00:45:40.160 - 00:45:52.498
Frantastic as well. I don't know if anybody but Daisy could have done this. Like, agreed. It's so funny.
I really didn't realize it was her till, like, the middle because I'm used to Daisy being, you know, in Star Wars.
Kyle
00:45:52.594 - 00:45:54.990
Charlize Theron actually could have. I'm just.
Marianna
00:45:56.010 - 00:46:01.650
That would have been an interesting choice. I love Charlize Theron. I don't know. Fantastic.
Kyle
00:46:01.730 - 00:46:02.738
Yeah, I love that.
Marianna
00:46:02.794 - 00:46:03.314
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:03.442 - 00:46:18.250
You know, I, I also went fantastic here. Frantastic. And it's all because of that moment in the car. I.
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend like they did anything that necessarily blew me away or. But. But I think they did what they were asked to do.
Seth
00:46:18.290 - 00:46:18.554
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:18.602 - 00:46:25.338
And I think they delivered what, what they were told to deliver. And. And there's no bad performances at all. But no one's asked to do a lot.
Seth
00:46:25.394 - 00:46:25.674
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:25.722 - 00:46:41.928
You know, it's not like, you know, this was a complex film by any means in terms of what they were trying to portray. But I do think, I do think there, there was at least a handful of moments I said, I like this duo. I like this couple.
I like how they're playing off each other. So I do give it a fantastic for that.
Seth
00:46:41.984 - 00:46:43.832
Hell yeah. Starting off positive.
Kyle
00:46:43.896 - 00:46:49.864
Starting off positive. Sometimes I think about fantasticing. That was bad. I'm gonna definitely.
Marianna
00:46:49.992 - 00:46:51.320
That was bad. You should cut that.
Kyle
00:46:51.360 - 00:46:52.008
I'm gonna.
Seth
00:46:52.104 - 00:46:55.128
No, you should leave it in to show everyone how bad that was.
Kyle
00:46:55.184 - 00:46:57.592
That was. So it started strong.
Seth
00:46:57.696 - 00:46:58.360
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:58.520 - 00:47:02.760
Some, you know, but you take chances. When you're managing the scorecard, you just, you dive in.
Seth
00:47:02.800 - 00:47:03.304
It's true.
Kyle
00:47:03.352 - 00:47:19.230
You dive in. You know, supporting cast. And these are our so called Oregon based comedians. Purvesh China playing Garrett. And then Meg. Meg Stalter is Isabelle.
How do you know her? Before.
Marianna
00:47:19.350 - 00:47:22.462
She's an hacks. She's a genius. Improv.
Kyle
00:47:22.526 - 00:47:23.726
Okay. I actually don't know that.
Seth
00:47:23.798 - 00:47:24.318
Okay.
Kyle
00:47:24.414 - 00:47:24.942
Okay.
Marianna
00:47:25.006 - 00:47:25.534
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:25.662 - 00:47:45.594
Then we have Brittany O'Grady as Sophie. Brie. Elrod as Amelia. Lauren Beveridge. Beveridge as Tallulah. Emma's played by Ayanna Berkshire. Sean as Sean. Terry. Why. Why the names? Sean Terr.
And then Rich Hines played Rich, which is the, you know, twitchy guy.
Seth
00:47:45.642 - 00:47:45.962
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:46.026 - 00:48:02.554
And then jet barrier is Doug. And then I accidentally screenshotted over this person. She's actually at the top of the list. Mars Marcia Deboni. Deboni. Damn. Your last names.
Get normal names as Carol the retiree.
Marianna
00:48:02.682 - 00:48:05.754
Oh, I love Carol. I love, I love that.
Seth
00:48:05.842 - 00:48:06.714
Carol was incredible.
Kyle
00:48:06.762 - 00:48:08.234
That moment had some gravitas at the.
Marianna
00:48:08.242 - 00:48:12.752
End, you know, that actually made me want to plan a trip to Las Vegas for my birthday.
Seth
00:48:12.816 - 00:48:13.376
There you go.
Marianna
00:48:13.448 - 00:48:21.056
It really did. And I have. This keeps happening to me where I'M like, I should save money for retirement.
And then I'm like, I should spend all the money I have on happy things.
Kyle
00:48:21.128 - 00:48:21.568
Do it.
Seth
00:48:21.624 - 00:48:26.240
That scene is the only thing that tips this over into Frantastic for me.
Kyle
00:48:26.280 - 00:48:26.688
Yeah.
Seth
00:48:26.784 - 00:49:09.928
Because.
And again, I would chalk a lot of this up to directing and to not having something scripted for everyone in the background to really be talking about.
But that moment, oh, my God, that moment when she's just breaking down because she's like, well, we were supposed to be on a cruise and now he's got cancer and we did all the things we were supposed to do and now everything's still going to shit. Like, watching her like, like, like not fully break down, but you can tell she's just holding it together and like the dam is about to burst.
But she's. She's that little band aid that's still, like holding herself together. That was such a powerful moment. Moment to watch, especially in the theater.
Like, it was dead quiet in the theater while that moment was happening. You couldn't hear a breath.
Kyle
00:49:10.024 - 00:49:10.296
Wow.
Seth
00:49:10.328 - 00:49:24.568
While it was going on. It was so good. So that that alone really tips it over into Frantastic for me again.
I think everyone probably did what they were asked to do, but no one really stood out other than her. In all now, I will also say, what. What's the girl that you were talking about?
Marianna
00:49:24.624 - 00:49:25.304
Meg Stalter.
Seth
00:49:25.352 - 00:49:58.902
Yes, Meg Stalter. I've come to realize that when I genuinely hate a character I'm seeing on screen, that means that that actor did an insanely good job.
I've worked with so many corporate people who probably enjoy the little icebreaker activities. Like that actually is something that gives them joy.
She played that character so well, and it reminded me of five people I could point to immediately that I was like, I hate that person. So good on you. That was some damn good acting. So, yeah, those two things, fantastic for me.
Marianna
00:49:59.006 - 00:50:04.202
She's the best. Yeah, Meg Stalter is the best at this. You have to watch hacks because of it.
Seth
00:50:04.306 - 00:50:04.890
Okay, I will.
Marianna
00:50:04.930 - 00:50:15.978
Like, it is. It's about a comedian. It's supposed to be like Joan Rivers esque, like a. Like a Las Vegas comedian.
Tons of money, very successful, but like older and needs to like, kind of get with the times.
Seth
00:50:16.034 - 00:50:16.538
Yeah.
Marianna
00:50:16.634 - 00:50:24.026
And Meg Stalter's like this assistant and she is one of the best parts of the show. And the whole show's great.
Seth
00:50:24.098 - 00:50:24.538
Nice.
Marianna
00:50:24.634 - 00:50:26.682
Every character is amazing. I don't know how they write.
Kyle
00:50:26.746 - 00:50:31.790
Let's call this podcast what it really is. This is a Meg Stalter. Mariana appreciated.
Marianna
00:50:31.930 - 00:50:43.430
I love her so much. Like, I cannot. I could go on and on and on, but you know what's funny about it is it's because she's not really.
It doesn't feel like she's trying at all. She's just like, I've met this person. I can do this.
Seth
00:50:43.470 - 00:50:44.806
I got this. Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:50:44.918 - 00:50:50.022
Sirloin. I don't even know, like, you know. Okay.
Seth
00:50:50.086 - 00:50:51.590
Yeah. Just effortless.
Marianna
00:50:51.670 - 00:50:52.166
Yeah.
Seth
00:50:52.278 - 00:50:56.806
Oh, get a little dangerous. Who brought the donuts? Good word. So good.
Marianna
00:50:56.878 - 00:50:58.684
Effortless. Effortless. Okay. Sorry.
Seth
00:50:58.732 - 00:50:59.004
Yeah.
Marianna
00:50:59.052 - 00:51:00.124
What was the question?
Kyle
00:51:00.292 - 00:51:01.676
Supporting cast.
Seth
00:51:01.868 - 00:51:05.340
I think you're. I think you're at fantastic with me. Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:05.500 - 00:51:07.120
You're Stalter Tastic.
Marianna
00:51:08.420 - 00:51:15.564
Oh, my God. I just want to meet her.
Also, I'm pretty sure she was supposed to be at Zany's during the filming of this, and then the show got moved because she was filming.
Kyle
00:51:15.612 - 00:51:16.332
Oh, interesting.
Marianna
00:51:16.396 - 00:51:16.780
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:16.860 - 00:51:19.228
Well, I think twas destiny.
Marianna
00:51:19.404 - 00:51:20.428
I know. Come back.
Kyle
00:51:20.484 - 00:51:27.090
Come on back. You got a fan here. I. Man, I. I've thought about dying.
Seth
00:51:27.170 - 00:51:27.522
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:27.586 - 00:51:36.434
Here's. You said something, though, that. That kind of made me think, because first of all, the prop.
One of the big problems they have with this movie is that the office stuff is way too realistic.
Seth
00:51:36.482 - 00:51:36.802
Yeah.
Marianna
00:51:36.866 - 00:51:37.298
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:37.394 - 00:51:48.034
Every single person in that office. I. I have could think of thousands of people I've encountered in corporate settings like that. Especially Isabel, Megan or Meg Stalter's character.
Seth
00:51:48.082 - 00:51:48.402
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:48.466 - 00:51:59.342
The bubbly. Likes your job too much. Likes people too much. Like you. Doesn't seem to have a problem being here 40 hours a week. Like, I can't. Person.
But she was rocking it out because it was very accurate.
Seth
00:51:59.406 - 00:51:59.966
Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:00.078 - 00:52:08.350
But where I. Where I got off the course was the party. Maybe because no one invites me to parties. Maybe because I did.
Seth
00:52:08.390 - 00:52:09.502
You just didn't show up.
Kyle
00:52:09.606 - 00:52:23.326
I just didn't think you actually wanted me there. That's the funny thing. He's like. He doesn't really want me there. I've got four kids. That's self. That's just self consciousness. But I.
This party just didn't seem like a real party to me. I didn't know what these people were doing.
Seth
00:52:23.398 - 00:52:23.694
Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:23.742 - 00:52:24.960
You know, I just.
Seth
00:52:25.150 - 00:52:27.564
I've been to parties like that, so it actually.
Kyle
00:52:27.652 - 00:52:28.316
Those are real.
Seth
00:52:28.388 - 00:52:32.560
Those are real. Yeah. It hit a little close to home for me because I've been to those parties.
Kyle
00:52:33.140 - 00:52:40.540
I just. And I didn't. There's just not one character. Like, I just needed one character to be like, that's my homeboy.
Seth
00:52:40.620 - 00:52:40.876
Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:40.908 - 00:52:46.108
And there's Just not a single person in this. In this. Just one person to change the tone a little bit.
Seth
00:52:46.164 - 00:52:46.732
Yeah.
Kyle
00:52:46.876 - 00:52:48.540
But everything is so drab.
Seth
00:52:48.620 - 00:52:55.026
I did love the one guy who's like, I'm a vegetarian at work. And then at the party, he's like, they all think I'm a vegetarian. That's fucking great. Crazy.
Kyle
00:52:55.058 - 00:52:58.034
That is kind of funny. Yeah. That was Garrett. Yeah, yeah, Yeah.
Seth
00:52:58.082 - 00:52:58.898
I love that.
Kyle
00:52:59.034 - 00:53:09.842
I just needed someone to. I'm. And I'm big on. This is my biggest category in every movie I watch.
Because I just need someone in that supporting cast just to rise above and be like, that's. That's a well written side character.
Seth
00:53:09.906 - 00:53:10.466
Yeah.
Kyle
00:53:10.578 - 00:53:16.818
I just know. And maybe they. They did what they were told, but nobody did anything that just. Yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:53:16.914 - 00:53:27.614
This is what I'm talking about. With the production quality of, like, maybe there were some people pleasing aspects and, like, how the choices were made.
And I can tell now that it was definitely filmed in a rented, abandoned building.
Seth
00:53:27.702 - 00:53:28.014
Yeah.
Marianna
00:53:28.062 - 00:53:31.662
And it was filmed during COVID And I'm like, yeah, these are. These are choices.
Seth
00:53:31.726 - 00:53:32.014
Yeah.
Marianna
00:53:32.062 - 00:53:34.286
These are why the movie's not as good as it could be.
Kyle
00:53:34.358 - 00:53:36.398
No one was trying to get their next gig here.
Seth
00:53:36.454 - 00:53:36.686
Yeah.
Kyle
00:53:36.718 - 00:53:38.478
No one was like, maybe Coppola will see this.
Seth
00:53:38.534 - 00:53:38.766
Yeah.
Marianna
00:53:38.798 - 00:53:40.782
It kind of felt like they were doing her a favor.
Kyle
00:53:40.846 - 00:53:41.134
Yeah.
Marianna
00:53:41.182 - 00:53:45.278
Maybe. Because they really like what she's done in the past. And I don't. I'm not familiar with her work, but.
Seth
00:53:45.334 - 00:53:56.348
I know she's worked with a couple of those actors before in some of the other stuff that she's done. So I. There was probably some aspect to it there, but again, a lot of them were cast locally, so.
Marianna
00:53:56.404 - 00:54:05.436
Yeah, well, I'm talking about, like, the actual famous people in the movie because to me, it is funny when you see, like, regular people and famous people, you're like, yeah, I can pick out the famous ones.
Seth
00:54:05.468 - 00:54:06.160
Yeah.
Marianna
00:54:06.660 - 00:54:08.908
They're the ones with angles on their face.
Seth
00:54:08.964 - 00:54:09.600
Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:11.140 - 00:54:28.580
All right. It's two to zero. We are fantastic. At this moment here, writing writers are Stephanie Abel Horowitz, Kevin Armento, and Katie Wright Mead.
It would bother. It would just be a shame if anyone had a name like Johnson or Smith on this list, because I sound like an idiot.
Seth
00:54:30.280 - 00:55:05.442
Unfortunately, I'm gonna have to. I'm gonna think about dying on this one. I, again, had the inner monologue been in there, I might have changed my mind, but I don't know.
I don't know what was there. Just because there's. There's. There's no record of it that you can't buy the screenplay in published form, which, again, I would love to.
I would love to see what was originally up there.
But other than these, like, key moments and there's only like three or four of them throughout the whole movie, nothing is said that is interesting and nothing is said that furthers the story along. So for me, yeah, I gotta think about dying on this one.
Marianna
00:55:05.626 - 00:55:19.662
I can't believe that there was a script or anyone wrote this. It feels kind of phoned in. It sort of feels. Feels like they were depressed when they were writing it. The depression comes through. Yeah, I just. I.
Sometimes I think about dying.
Kyle
00:55:19.806 - 00:55:24.302
Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Not to be confused with As I Lay Dying by William Faulkner.
Marianna
00:55:24.366 - 00:55:25.134
Great book.
Seth
00:55:25.302 - 00:55:25.982
And the band.
Marianna
00:55:26.046 - 00:55:27.262
That'd be a better one than this.
Seth
00:55:27.286 - 00:55:27.534
Yeah.
Kyle
00:55:27.582 - 00:55:28.462
Good band. Yeah.
Marianna
00:55:28.526 - 00:55:30.526
I'm a fish. My Mother is a fish.
Kyle
00:55:30.638 - 00:55:31.694
That's one of my favorite books.
Marianna
00:55:31.742 - 00:55:32.878
That's that chapter when.
Kyle
00:55:32.934 - 00:55:51.624
Whenever the dead mom in the coffin starts talking. Yeah, that part's great. I recommend you read it. I. Yeah, I. Yeah, sometimes I think about dying here. I.
This is where the most missed opportunities were. At least there were some visuals in the directing and there were some decisions made real. Like, that was. That was a good decision.
Seth
00:55:51.712 - 00:55:52.024
Yeah.
Kyle
00:55:52.072 - 00:56:02.360
I just feel like it was one tone going forward. Never was there a counterpoint neither. The complexity wasn't there. I just. There were never any ideas really presented in their fullness.
Seth
00:56:02.440 - 00:56:02.888
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:02.984 - 00:56:10.310
And that's all on writing. You know, I just wish. I just wish more. There was more written here to challenge my thinking more.
Seth
00:56:10.350 - 00:56:11.030
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:11.190 - 00:56:17.654
And that's typically, like one of the number one things when I go into movie is like, how is it even in, like, sci fi? You can walk away. Wow. That challenged my thinking.
Seth
00:56:17.702 - 00:56:18.358
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:18.534 - 00:56:24.230
There's just nothing here. And. And I was expecting a lot of gravitas, so. Yeah, I give it. I give it. Sometimes I think about dying.
Marianna
00:56:24.310 - 00:56:27.718
I never want, like, more dialogue, but, man, I did this time.
Kyle
00:56:27.774 - 00:56:30.450
Yeah, you're big on. On space. You're a big space.
Marianna
00:56:30.950 - 00:56:35.662
My favorite movie has no words in it. Well, I keep saying my favorite movie. I need to stop saying that. One of my favorite movies.
Kyle
00:56:35.726 - 00:56:37.438
Yeah. Four favorite movies so far that I've.
Marianna
00:56:37.454 - 00:56:38.606
Counted in this podcast.
Seth
00:56:38.638 - 00:56:44.142
Yeah, you would love my senior film. Oh, I would. No dialogue in it whatsoever.
Marianna
00:56:44.206 - 00:56:45.582
But you know what? I hate silent movies.
Seth
00:56:45.646 - 00:56:47.374
It's not silent. It's just no dialogue.
Marianna
00:56:47.422 - 00:56:50.478
I don't like silent movies at all. I hated the Artist. Hated it.
Seth
00:56:50.534 - 00:56:51.406
Oh, I love that movie.
Marianna
00:56:51.438 - 00:56:52.398
Oh, my God, I hated it.
Seth
00:56:52.454 - 00:56:57.652
I loved it. But I also haven't seen it since the one time I saw it, so. Yeah, yeah, clearly I didn't that much. Sorry.
Marianna
00:56:57.716 - 00:56:58.564
I got distracted.
Kyle
00:56:58.612 - 00:57:05.012
No, I agree with you. Yeah. Directing. It's two to one. Fantastic. Thus far. Directing. Rachel Lambert.
Seth
00:57:05.156 - 00:57:05.524
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:05.572 - 00:57:09.508
Who I went back to look at credits and there was nothing I recognized.
Seth
00:57:09.604 - 00:57:16.916
Yeah, I know. She went to NYU and. I know. I know that's where it feels like it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it kind of does.
Kyle
00:57:16.988 - 00:57:27.518
She's not into short titles. In the radiant city and I can feel you walking. Sometimes I think about dying. She does have one culture called Ken K I n. Well, there we go.
But then she just. She had to have as many words in the title.
Seth
00:57:27.614 - 00:57:29.406
Do you have Anything upcoming on IMDb?
Kyle
00:57:29.518 - 00:57:32.574
Nothing in the works thus far. She does have nominations.
Seth
00:57:32.702 - 00:58:03.192
Nice. Good for her. I genuinely want her to do more stuff. I want to see. I would love to see a movie that. That isn't hindered by a global pandemic.
I would love to see her take on something that's slightly higher concept. I would love to see her work with some. Some better cinematographers, some better art direction people.
I would love to see her utilize other people to their best because I think if she got a really solid team around her, she could put out one hell of a movie.
Kyle
00:58:03.256 - 00:58:03.592
Yeah.
Seth
00:58:03.656 - 00:58:38.656
Unfortunately, I have to go. I feel about dying on this or think about dying on this one. Because if. If I as the viewer. And granted, I know I am an.
I am an informed viewer in that I've worked on film set. That's. I've been around other directors who. Who, in my opinion, have done some really cool stuff, and I've seen them.
Them put out some really good work.
Having been around that, even then, as a viewer, if I'm sitting here telling myself how the movie could be better based on the things that you're showing me, sure, there's good bones, but I just. I don't think the execution was where it should have been. So I think about dying on this one.
Marianna
00:58:38.728 - 00:58:41.408
I actually think I'm gonna go with fantastic on this one.
Seth
00:58:41.464 - 00:58:42.060
Hell, yeah.
Marianna
00:58:42.160 - 00:59:02.324
Because the only things that I did like about the movie, I feel like, were all the direction. And it all had to do with, like, maybe her original vision. And I do want to see what else she's gonna do.
I'd love to see what she would do with, like, almost a better production design. That office just killed my whole life.
Seth
00:59:02.412 - 00:59:02.852
Yeah.
Marianna
00:59:02.916 - 00:59:15.510
I was like, I hate. I hate any setting in an office, but I also hate when they don't do anything to stylize the office. Because I'm like, like this is just gross.
And I know that's what you're supposed to feel though. You're supposed to feel that.
Seth
00:59:15.550 - 00:59:21.046
But, but there's a stylized way that you can still make it feel gross, but also make it feel interesting to be there.
Marianna
00:59:21.118 - 00:59:25.926
I really felt like I was at the Port Authority. Yeah. This feels like I'm waiting for a dmv.
Kyle
00:59:26.038 - 00:59:39.046
I mean even office settings have like the cokehead salesman that comes in hungover. And I had a guy that worked for me. My first company I worked for, I worked for five years.
I had a guy that we didn't know if he would come to work and when he did, sometimes he would come with bruises on his face.
Seth
00:59:39.118 - 00:59:39.654
Oh my God.
Kyle
00:59:39.702 - 00:59:44.266
And bandages on his nose. He would get in scuffles every weekend. Ye. You have the normal. This.
Seth
00:59:44.338 - 00:59:44.586
Yeah.
Kyle
00:59:44.618 - 00:59:47.882
But there is the cokehead guy getting in fights on the weekend. Maybe died.
Seth
00:59:47.946 - 00:59:48.186
Yeah.
Kyle
00:59:48.218 - 00:59:50.058
You never knew if Jimbo was coming in on Monday.
Seth
00:59:50.114 - 00:59:53.466
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Marianna
00:59:53.498 - 00:59:54.858
But I'll go. Fantastic.
Kyle
00:59:54.954 - 01:00:42.914
Fantastic. You know, I, I'm gonna sound like a major jerk here. I don't care what this director does. I, I, I'm not gonna follow this person.
I, I've seen, I'm not saying you, you can't be four films in and, and not be show a level of mastery. But I saw, I was presented with nothing complexity wise. Yeah.
And whenever, whenever there's a limited amount of dialogue, then you're left to look at the visuals. And although there's some pretty frames of the city and the ports and the water, they're like, they're postcard esque.
They're still not images that I necessarily felt that were picturesque enough. I just was just was not presented with anything that, that convinced me that, and maybe it's just not my style.
But I, like I said I like self indulgent filmmaking, but man, I just didn't feel the weight of the story.
Seth
01:00:43.002 - 01:00:43.314
Yeah.
Kyle
01:00:43.362 - 01:00:47.282
And I'm just. Yeah, I gave this a. I, Sometimes I think about dying.
Seth
01:00:47.346 - 01:00:52.230
So I mean, to compare, Christopher Nolan's fourth movie was Batman Begins.
Kyle
01:00:52.650 - 01:00:53.122
Yeah.
Seth
01:00:53.186 - 01:00:57.890
Like, yeah. There does come a point where it's like, no, you've really got to start pushing yourself.
Kyle
01:00:57.970 - 01:00:59.330
Yeah. Just some grit.
Seth
01:00:59.410 - 01:00:59.714
Yeah.
Kyle
01:00:59.762 - 01:01:02.338
Just some sandpaper. Just something rough in here.
Seth
01:01:02.394 - 01:01:02.626
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:02.658 - 01:01:03.762
We're talking about death.
Seth
01:01:03.866 - 01:01:04.482
Exactly.
Kyle
01:01:04.546 - 01:01:14.356
You know, just do something like. And one thing you said, Mariana, that I, we didn't really hit on too much, but like we don't know anything about this person.
And I'm okay with a contained story.
Seth
01:01:14.428 - 01:01:14.772
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:14.836 - 01:01:17.812
But they could have alluded to something. Just something.
Marianna
01:01:17.916 - 01:01:18.436
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:18.548 - 01:01:23.396
Outside of this stream, just to give us a little color. Yeah, just something.
Seth
01:01:23.468 - 01:01:25.060
Well, even if. Sorry, you go ahead.
Marianna
01:01:25.100 - 01:01:25.652
I'm sorry.
Seth
01:01:25.716 - 01:01:26.996
No, you go for. You go first.
Marianna
01:01:27.068 - 01:01:38.448
I thought that she was going. The end of it was going to be that she killed her grandmother. And, like, she was in the dead. In the bathroom, and that was going to be like.
Like the last shot is just her grandmother, like, literally dead on the bathroom floor.
Seth
01:01:38.544 - 01:01:40.096
How fascinating would that have been?
Marianna
01:01:40.168 - 01:01:50.496
I thought that it was going to be a lot more interesting than it was. You're right. It's just like there just wasn't anything. And I'm like, I. I feel like I know this girl, but, like, I wish I. I just wish there was more.
Seth
01:01:50.568 - 01:02:03.360
Yeah. And it's like, I get that part of the whole aspect of her character, how she won't open up to. To him and.
And how she's not giving him the information. We as the viewer should then see what she's not taking. Killing him.
Kyle
01:02:03.400 - 01:02:03.712
Yeah.
Seth
01:02:03.776 - 01:02:05.968
We shouldn't also be like, well, what the.
Kyle
01:02:06.104 - 01:02:06.656
Yeah.
Seth
01:02:06.768 - 01:02:25.712
Now the story is no longer from her perspective. Now the story is just a weird fly on the wall situation where. Yeah, we're watching her, but we. We don't know anything.
And I think that's a grave misstep as a director that your audience should not leave the movie as clueless as the characters who don't know anything.
Kyle
01:02:25.776 - 01:02:27.648
Yeah, yeah. No, you're totally right.
Marianna
01:02:27.704 - 01:02:37.254
Also, her character doesn't really make any sense because she's like an introvert who lives alone in this grandmother house. But then somebody is nice to her for like, two sentences and she's like, let's go on a date.
Seth
01:02:37.302 - 01:02:37.526
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:37.558 - 01:02:37.942
Yeah.
Marianna
01:02:38.006 - 01:02:56.886
It's like, that person is not going to say yes to this guy. Like, why? And this guy, like, not to be a jerk, but, like, you know, he's just an office guy. He's never had a job.
Like, he's not dateable material in the story. And I'm like, she has, like, a grandmother house. She has a house, you know, And I really wanted to know more about the quiet side of town.
Seth
01:02:56.958 - 01:02:57.302
Yeah.
Marianna
01:02:57.366 - 01:03:06.698
There were some things I could have. Have just run with that would have been so interesting again, if she had killed her grandmother or been a serial killer or something.
Yeah, I thought she was a serial killer from the beginning.
Kyle
01:03:06.794 - 01:03:08.122
Yeah, that would have been a great twist.
Marianna
01:03:08.186 - 01:03:16.266
I know. I was like, I have. So there's got to be something that happens because y'all really hated this. So I was like, something must happen.
Kyle
01:03:16.338 - 01:03:22.138
More like sometimes I think about you dying. Yeah.
Seth
01:03:22.234 - 01:03:27.130
Yeah. Views expressed by Kyle Castro on this podcast do not represent those who are also on the podcast.
Kyle
01:03:27.210 - 01:03:30.742
Well, I pointed at your coat, so I was inanimate object.
Seth
01:03:30.886 - 01:03:33.814
You. The royal you.
Kyle
01:03:33.982 - 01:03:37.878
And something you just said made me remember. Like, there's not a raucous moment.
Seth
01:03:37.974 - 01:03:38.294
Yeah.
Kyle
01:03:38.342 - 01:03:53.062
In this movie. Like, it's like this movie is. Is. It emotes at a dull roar. Even the party is, like, tame again. People show up to party.
I don't know why I always go back to this. Like, Jimbo, people show up coked out of their mind. Crazy happens.
Seth
01:03:53.126 - 01:03:56.502
See, now you're definitely showing you've never been to a murder mystery party.
Kyle
01:03:56.686 - 01:03:57.590
These are a thing.
Seth
01:03:57.630 - 01:03:58.710
Those are. They're a thing.
Marianna
01:03:58.830 - 01:03:59.540
Yeah, a thing.
Seth
01:03:59.580 - 01:04:07.908
They are absolutely a thing. And that was the funny thing with me watching it, is it genuinely accurately represented the type of people that go to those parties.
Kyle
01:04:08.084 - 01:04:08.820
Interesting.
Seth
01:04:08.900 - 01:04:09.204
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:09.252 - 01:04:12.036
I guess my invitations have been getting lost in the mail all these years.
Seth
01:04:12.108 - 01:04:12.404
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:12.452 - 01:04:13.924
I should really update my address.
Seth
01:04:14.012 - 01:04:14.680
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:15.260 - 01:04:16.308
That's what it is, right?
Seth
01:04:16.364 - 01:04:17.364
Them yellow pages.
Kyle
01:04:17.492 - 01:04:19.620
Yeah. It's not my fault, is it?
Seth
01:04:19.660 - 01:04:20.196
No.
Kyle
01:04:20.348 - 01:04:21.700
They want me at the parties, right?
Seth
01:04:21.740 - 01:04:22.276
It's never yours.
Kyle
01:04:22.308 - 01:04:24.196
You guys like me, right? Yeah.
Marianna
01:04:24.388 - 01:04:25.440
No. No.
Kyle
01:04:25.820 - 01:04:27.908
I mean, sometimes I think about you dying.
Marianna
01:04:28.084 - 01:04:28.876
I don't know.
Kyle
01:04:28.988 - 01:04:36.044
Yeah. You're stunt Mariana. You're just a fantasy of a mind. You're a nice guy.
Marianna
01:04:36.172 - 01:04:38.252
Yes. Human music.
Kyle
01:04:38.356 - 01:04:38.780
Yes.
Seth
01:04:38.860 - 01:04:39.212
Yes.
Marianna
01:04:39.276 - 01:04:39.868
I knew you guys.
Seth
01:04:39.884 - 01:04:40.680
Thank you.
Kyle
01:04:41.060 - 01:04:59.836
Yes. I don't belong here on my own podcast. It's two to two. It's two to two. We're kind of thinking about dying. It's kind of fantastic.
All right, what's in front of us? Cinematography, production design, sound, costumes. And. And out of character, I'd even put the names of the people that did these things.
Seth
01:04:59.988 - 01:06:09.834
As a sound designer, the sound design infuriated me during this movie. Sometimes I wondered if Rachel Lambert knew what a Lavalier mic was. Sometimes I.
But then there were other times where I'm like, well, she clearly does, because they're 200ft away from the camera and I can hear them perfectly. Like, there was. There's so many little things that I could have just done to get in there and. And fix every issue that I had with it.
However, on top of that, I do think 90% of the. Of the cinematography was fantastic. There were some times where I was like, this is a terrible choice. Why. Why are we looking at her tits in her.
In her oversized sweater while she's clicking on. On a mouse like why don't we see. Why do we just see her chin? Why can't we see the rest of her face?
There were definitely some choices that were made that I was not a fan of. However, I. I'm gonna give what I don't think is too generous of a fantastic. I do think there was a lot of good there.
I think there was a lot of intentionality there. Again, I just don't 100 think it. It. It all came together, but enough that I would say it was fantastic.
Marianna
01:06:09.882 - 01:06:35.082
I feel like, fantastic. I feel like it was the good stuff in the movie. I think I liked. I like. I mean, I liked the cinematography.
I hated the costumes, but I would hate the costumes because, like. Like, I did fashion design for a long time. I'm just like. And I was a stylist for a long time, so I'm like.
I just feel like there is this version of styling where it looks like you just went to Target and got whatever was on sale. And that's kind of what it felt like. Like nobody felt real.
Seth
01:06:35.186 - 01:06:35.562
Yeah.
Marianna
01:06:35.626 - 01:06:40.826
There just wasn't a lot of realism in, like, especially her choices in clothes. And I know the colors were great.
Seth
01:06:40.898 - 01:06:41.386
Yeah.
Marianna
01:06:41.498 - 01:06:51.384
And they. They went with the story, but I just. I was like. I feel like this girl would be wearing like. Like a nightgown. Like a. Like something crazy. Like.
I don't know.
Seth
01:06:51.472 - 01:06:51.832
Yeah.
Marianna
01:06:51.896 - 01:06:56.408
I just think they. That was kind of a missed opportunity. I think they could have made her a lot more interesting.
Seth
01:06:56.504 - 01:06:56.872
Yeah.
Marianna
01:06:56.936 - 01:06:58.280
Even just with clothes.
Seth
01:06:58.360 - 01:07:00.184
Yeah. But you're still fantastic brand.
Marianna
01:07:00.272 - 01:07:00.728
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:00.824 - 01:07:02.744
That's a lot of negatives for a fantastic.
Seth
01:07:02.792 - 01:07:04.728
It really. I mean, it's one aspect of it, though.
Kyle
01:07:04.784 - 01:07:05.112
Yeah.
Seth
01:07:05.176 - 01:07:05.368
Yeah.
Marianna
01:07:05.384 - 01:07:07.272
That's a lot to group into one question.
Seth
01:07:07.376 - 01:07:07.704
Yeah.
Marianna
01:07:07.752 - 01:07:10.392
But the cinematography and the production design, I really did enjoy.
Kyle
01:07:10.456 - 01:07:10.696
Okay.
Seth
01:07:10.728 - 01:07:10.984
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:11.032 - 01:07:11.854
Cool. That's awesome.
Marianna
01:07:11.952 - 01:07:12.610
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:12.770 - 01:07:15.682
Well, it doesn't matter, but I did go. Sometimes I think about that.
Seth
01:07:15.706 - 01:07:17.842
I figured you would. We all knew.
Kyle
01:07:17.906 - 01:07:22.306
Yeah. And it doesn't help that we're sandwiching this movie in between Drive and this and the Shining.
Seth
01:07:22.338 - 01:07:22.546
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:22.578 - 01:07:27.106
Movies that are visually the. Some of the most compelling visual films ever.
Seth
01:07:27.178 - 01:07:27.858
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:28.034 - 01:07:31.346
With color and with widescreen and with lenses.
Marianna
01:07:31.458 - 01:07:33.110
We should be doing the substance.
Kyle
01:07:33.450 - 01:07:36.050
Oh, I saw you post about that. I haven't seen it yet.
Seth
01:07:36.090 - 01:07:37.490
Is it out on streaming yet?
Marianna
01:07:37.530 - 01:07:38.514
Yes, it's on movie.
Kyle
01:07:38.562 - 01:07:40.954
I heard it's like, the craziest body horror.
Marianna
01:07:41.002 - 01:07:42.186
It's my favorite body horror.
Seth
01:07:42.218 - 01:07:44.634
Okay, good to know. We'll put on the list French director.
Marianna
01:07:44.722 - 01:07:46.070
French female director.
Kyle
01:07:46.370 - 01:07:47.034
French.
Marianna
01:07:47.162 - 01:07:49.306
Frank. She's French.
Kyle
01:07:49.418 - 01:08:27.730
Yeah. I. I Just. Yeah, I just was looking after. I. After I wasn't feeling challenged by the dialogue or the ideas the movie was presenting me with.
I then went to the visuals, to the camera work, and again, pretty pictures, postcards of the city, of the lake or the water, and of the dock and all that stuff. But I just didn't see any sensibility in that area. And I. I didn't see a director that. Or a team that was thinking in images. So they.
But they also weren't really thinking in complex ideas or dialogue. I'm just like, where is this movie? You know, indie films. That's what they do is like. They surprise you.
Marianna
01:08:27.770 - 01:08:28.274
Yeah, Yeah.
Kyle
01:08:28.322 - 01:08:32.844
I was, like, waiting for my surprise, you know, like in politics. What's my October surprise surprise?
Seth
01:08:33.002 - 01:08:36.504
My biggest surprise was that they went to a Chinese restaurant for pie.
Kyle
01:08:36.632 - 01:08:37.340
Yeah.
Seth
01:08:38.160 - 01:08:39.660
And Irish coffees.
Kyle
01:08:40.000 - 01:08:40.472
Yeah.
Seth
01:08:40.536 - 01:08:41.288
Yeah.
Kyle
01:08:41.464 - 01:08:42.232
That's hilarious.
Seth
01:08:42.296 - 01:08:42.680
Yeah.
Kyle
01:08:42.760 - 01:08:47.720
What do they call them? Too drunk too. They have name for their. Their Irish coffee. She had a name for it.
Seth
01:08:47.760 - 01:08:48.980
I forget what it was.
Kyle
01:08:49.760 - 01:08:51.336
That was funny. Yeah.
Seth
01:08:51.448 - 01:08:52.072
Yeah.
Marianna
01:08:52.216 - 01:09:00.684
That was an interesting choice. Although it is funny, when you go to Chinese restaurants, they do have, like, all these weird American dishes where you're like, do you need this?
And it's like, they do.
Seth
01:09:00.752 - 01:09:02.948
They clearly really need French fries here.
Marianna
01:09:03.004 - 01:09:04.644
I know. And. But they do.
Kyle
01:09:04.732 - 01:09:05.044
Yeah.
Seth
01:09:05.092 - 01:09:05.364
Yeah.
Kyle
01:09:05.412 - 01:09:22.564
They gotta have them and they gotta be horrible and soggy, but they're there. That's all that matters. Three to two. We are fantastic thus far.
This category is called Speaking Volumes, and this is about the lack of dialogue, but also the focusing in on the choice of removing that diet. That inner dialogue.
Seth
01:09:22.612 - 01:09:23.028
Yeah.
Kyle
01:09:23.124 - 01:09:26.345
Was that a big mishap or was it better that they left it out?
Seth
01:09:26.467 - 01:10:21.238
I think it was a very big mishap. I think it. And again, I can't speak definitively because I haven't seen what was there.
For all I know, the inner monologue that was written could have ruined this even more. Like, it could have just made it the worst thing possible. And she saved what was left of the movie by taking it out.
For all I know, that could be the case. My inkling is that removing that made us focus on everything that didn't matter better. And. And.
And for me, personally, took my focus away from what did matter, which was trying to understand the character that Daisy was playing, this character of Fran. Why is she feeling this way? What are all of these things that she's genuinely focusing on as far as, like, dying?
Like, none of those questions were really answered, ever. They were just kind of presented and then left so, yeah, I gotta think about dialing that one.
Marianna
01:10:21.294 - 01:10:22.290
What's the question?
Kyle
01:10:23.070 - 01:10:33.302
Speaking volume. So basically focusing on the. On the minimal dialogue, but also on this decision to remove that inner monologue.
It was that kind of a death nail for the movie, or you think that was a good choice?
Marianna
01:10:33.446 - 01:10:52.348
No, I think it was a death nail. That was kind of what I was missing in it. On. I wish that there had just been more or less or something. I don't know. It's hard to say.
They could have just done the vignettes and, like, everything with the office and just little snippets of Meg Stalter at the office, and I feel like it would have been more powerful.
Seth
01:10:52.444 - 01:10:52.764
Yeah.
Marianna
01:10:52.812 - 01:10:54.396
Just like it made me feel like I was at work.
Seth
01:10:54.468 - 01:10:55.036
Yeah.
Kyle
01:10:55.148 - 01:10:55.708
Yeah.
Marianna
01:10:55.804 - 01:10:56.076
Yeah.
Kyle
01:10:56.108 - 01:11:00.960
It does make you feel like you're at work. That is actually the. That's actually the new title of the movie.
Seth
01:11:01.620 - 01:11:03.400
Sometimes I feel like I'm at work.
Marianna
01:11:04.820 - 01:11:12.156
Yeah, no, it felt like work watching the movie, too, which is what I don't like in a movie. I want to be hypnotized and feel like I'm on mushrooms.
Seth
01:11:12.188 - 01:11:12.572
Yep.
Marianna
01:11:12.636 - 01:11:12.924
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:12.972 - 01:11:18.700
And can we be real? Like, is it really that weird that when you're at work, you think about dying? Because don't we all think about dying when we're at work?
Marianna
01:11:18.740 - 01:11:19.536
Yeah, I know.
Kyle
01:11:19.668 - 01:11:20.600
Your mental position is.
Marianna
01:11:20.640 - 01:11:22.552
Yeah, I know. I was like, this is.
Seth
01:11:22.656 - 01:11:27.592
And it's not like you even have a bad job. You have a good job that lets you afford a house.
Kyle
01:11:27.696 - 01:11:28.456
Yeah.
Seth
01:11:28.648 - 01:11:29.480
In this economy.
Marianna
01:11:29.600 - 01:11:31.192
She killed her grandmother for it.
Kyle
01:11:31.296 - 01:11:31.624
Yes.
Marianna
01:11:31.672 - 01:11:34.020
I feel like that was. That was clear.
Kyle
01:11:34.880 - 01:11:37.400
That's the boon. That's the boon to this whole thing.
Seth
01:11:37.440 - 01:11:40.140
That's where all those bugs came from. In that one. Yes.
Marianna
01:11:40.480 - 01:11:51.208
No, it's clear to me that she killed her grandmother and she lives in an abandoned house. House on the bad side of town. I'm not even kidding. This all makes sense to me.
Seth
01:11:51.264 - 01:11:51.720
Yeah.
Marianna
01:11:51.800 - 01:11:52.952
I think they would agree.
Kyle
01:11:53.056 - 01:11:55.416
Yeah. So sometimes you think about going to work on this one.
Marianna
01:11:55.488 - 01:11:56.168
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:56.344 - 01:12:24.362
Yeah, I. I sometimes think about going to work on this one, too. And I. I don't know if I could say it better than how you said it.
You feel like you're at work watching it. That actually just crushed me. I'm trying not to laugh. I'm trying not to laugh again because that is actually. I couldn't just.
You know when someone else describes something the way. Like, what you're thinking, but you haven't put words. You just put, like, a perfect description. I felt like I was watching work The. The.
The problem with the lack of inner monologue is that the director has chosen to put us as the viewer, in a very weird position.
Seth
01:12:24.466 - 01:12:24.986
Yeah.
Kyle
01:12:25.098 - 01:12:49.814
You. You read what a movie's about when you go in to watch it. Right. And you had told me so I knew what this movie was about a little bit.
And I feel like, okay, I'm gearing up to care about this character. And then simultaneously, I feel like she's telling me, don't care about this person.
And so, like, like, you want to be sympathetic and empathetic to this character, but they're not really giving me anything to care about. And it makes you feel guilty. It's like. But I know I should care. I just didn't like being in that position.
Seth
01:12:49.902 - 01:12:50.342
Yeah.
Kyle
01:12:50.406 - 01:12:53.222
You know, I just was like, I'm trying to care, but, like, why?
Seth
01:12:53.326 - 01:12:56.486
And I made uncomfortable in the worst. In the. In the wrong way.
Kyle
01:12:56.558 - 01:12:56.902
Yeah.
Marianna
01:12:56.966 - 01:12:58.118
It's like this.
Kyle
01:12:58.254 - 01:12:58.970
Yeah.
Seth
01:13:00.190 - 01:13:02.086
I can see why you hate yourself.
Marianna
01:13:02.198 - 01:13:07.936
I know. I was like, you seem like the most, like, work as a friend and a person.
Seth
01:13:08.008 - 01:13:09.580
You're the exhausting one.
Marianna
01:13:09.880 - 01:13:11.344
Yeah. No, she is exhausting.
Seth
01:13:11.392 - 01:13:11.664
Yeah.
Marianna
01:13:11.712 - 01:13:14.496
She really is. I wouldn't want to be friends with her. She's a lot.
Kyle
01:13:14.568 - 01:13:20.736
Yeah. The most vocal she got. She insulted the dude, like, with one of the worst insults ever. It's like, oh, yeah, I don't care about you.
Seth
01:13:20.808 - 01:13:22.288
And it was clearly projecting.
Kyle
01:13:22.384 - 01:13:22.896
Yes.
Marianna
01:13:23.008 - 01:13:23.520
Yes.
Seth
01:13:23.600 - 01:13:24.432
All right, we're tied.
Kyle
01:13:24.496 - 01:13:26.320
We are tied. I love these situations.
Seth
01:13:26.400 - 01:13:27.168
Awesome.
Kyle
01:13:27.344 - 01:13:49.348
Yes. Sometimes I think about ties. This last category, it's actually picked Piggy. Not on purpose, but piggybacking on this concept of the Office.
It's called the Office. How does this work as not just an Office based drama, but the. The Office stuff is this. In kind of this idea, you feel like you're watching work.
That is where the majority of this film is made.
Seth
01:13:49.404 - 01:13:50.004
Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:50.132 - 01:13:58.236
And that's where the ideas are supposedly being lobbed our way in this movie. What do we think about this as an office based setting film? All that.
Seth
01:13:58.268 - 01:13:59.676
That. I like to start on this one.
Marianna
01:13:59.748 - 01:14:08.492
I hate it. And I feel like I'm not a cinematographer. I didn't go to school for it.
I don't know anything about it, but I also feel like I could have done a better job.
Seth
01:14:08.596 - 01:14:08.876
Yeah.
Marianna
01:14:08.908 - 01:14:34.942
You know what I mean? Like, it feels like they phoned it in so hard in the Office scenes. Even the angles of the Office scenes.
It feels like I'm like, you could have ripped out a wall, done something, or just had an interesting. Even like a. Like a GoPro.
Or something to make the Office just feel more like the emotions you're trying to feel as opposed to just being like dying slowly in an office.
Seth
01:14:35.046 - 01:14:48.734
Yeah.
I think something could have been done to give us a little inkling into what her brain makes her think is happening because clearly she thinks everyone's happier than she is.
Marianna
01:14:48.822 - 01:14:49.278
Yeah.
Seth
01:14:49.374 - 01:15:48.310
And. But. But we don't see that. We just see them living normal. Yeah. We just see them being normal.
It would have been cool to see moments of like over exaggerated, more stylized versions of them all being happy about nothing while she's sitting here dying inside it. It literally. I think something that could have saved the movie is if the Office had felt.
And I don't think she should have gone to this extreme, but a little bit more Wes Anderson. Timeless. Like kooky. Like something a little bit outside of reality. That made the Office eccentric. Yes.
That would have made the Office itself feel like a different character. The juxtaposition of her house versus the Office, where the Office is a place where she's sad and uncomfortable in this colorful and happy place.
I think it should have been the antithesis of everything that she was. And it wasn't. It was every bit as depressing as she was.
Kyle
01:15:48.350 - 01:15:51.490
Yeah, yeah. Because when you work at a place, you're going. So you're going.
Seth
01:15:51.790 - 01:15:52.742
I'm going. I'm thinking about.
Kyle
01:15:52.766 - 01:16:02.662
Yeah, yeah. When you work at a place like. And I haven't.
I mean, I tend to job hop a little bit, but I was at a place for five years and when you work with people for a long time, their desk become corroded with their.
Seth
01:16:02.766 - 01:16:03.366
Yep.
Kyle
01:16:03.478 - 01:16:10.896
Their family pictures, their sports teams. Like, people, like cubicles just become like crustaceans of who they are.
Seth
01:16:10.968 - 01:16:11.312
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:11.376 - 01:16:15.024
You know, it's like they're. They're like evolving inside of like, that's their shell.
Marianna
01:16:15.072 - 01:16:16.592
Yeah, yeah. Hermit crabs.
Kyle
01:16:16.656 - 01:16:17.040
Yes.
Marianna
01:16:17.120 - 01:16:17.424
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:17.472 - 01:16:20.816
And supposedly this lady is retiring after how many years?
Seth
01:16:20.888 - 01:16:21.968
Like probably 30.
Kyle
01:16:22.024 - 01:16:26.960
And her desk is spotless. Maybe she cleaned it that day, but there's literally not a sign that anyone ever worked there.
Marianna
01:16:27.000 - 01:16:27.552
Yeah, yeah.
Seth
01:16:27.616 - 01:16:34.816
She's still giving away. Like, you should see all this. Like you. There should be two boxes full of personal items.
Kyle
01:16:34.848 - 01:16:35.104
Yes.
Marianna
01:16:35.152 - 01:16:35.424
Yeah.
Seth
01:16:35.472 - 01:16:39.772
And there's not. There's just a kind of empty box with. With. With a calculator and a hole puncher.
Kyle
01:16:39.836 - 01:16:40.268
Yeah.
Marianna
01:16:40.364 - 01:16:41.756
That's why none of them seem real.
Kyle
01:16:41.828 - 01:17:02.252
Yeah, yeah. Cuz as much as like at surface level, you're thinking, oh my gosh, I feel like I'm at work. This feels like an office.
But then you're like, oh, this is a car. I used to use this word too much, but I was like, this is a caricature of an office. It's like, everyone's the same. Everyone's got the same desk.
No one's got any decorations. Like, the donuts are kind of like a. Whoa, Donuts. That happens. But, yeah, I. Sometimes I think about dying on this one.
Seth
01:17:02.276 - 01:17:02.572
Yeah.
Marianna
01:17:02.636 - 01:17:09.272
It's like, if AI were to make an office setting, you know, they, like, made the worst version of. Of it.
Seth
01:17:09.296 - 01:17:09.640
Yeah.
Kyle
01:17:09.720 - 01:17:13.368
Yes. We ended up. Sometimes we think about dying on this one.
Seth
01:17:13.424 - 01:17:20.744
Just squeaked by. Like I said, lots of good about this movie, but unfortunately, I think the missteps overshadowed what was good.
Kyle
01:17:20.832 - 01:17:30.360
I. I think, like, you said, like, yeah, there's. I. We actually were more positive than I thought. And I.
I appreciate you both bringing more to my attention about things I missed. There are some things that you said that I was like, oh, I did miss that.
Seth
01:17:30.400 - 01:17:30.664
Yeah.
Kyle
01:17:30.712 - 01:17:34.456
Also, I love thank you for bringing a movie that I had that I wasn't even in my world.
Seth
01:17:34.528 - 01:17:34.872
Yeah.
Kyle
01:17:34.936 - 01:17:35.752
So that was nice.
Marianna
01:17:35.816 - 01:17:39.180
I'm glad I watched it. I wish it was rewatchable. Yeah. Agree.
Kyle
01:17:39.360 - 01:17:50.280
Yeah. And I hate it's so hard being critical of an indie film because, like, on the other hand, I'm always like, we need more indie filmmakers.
We gotta get away from this corporate machine. And then I watch one, I'm like, that sucks.
Marianna
01:17:50.620 - 01:17:57.028
But most indie films suck. That's what's good about it. Because when you get to the gyms, you're like, well, I'm gonna watch that for the rest of my life.
Seth
01:17:57.084 - 01:17:57.316
Yes.
Marianna
01:17:57.348 - 01:17:57.668
A year.
Kyle
01:17:57.724 - 01:17:59.716
I need Clerks again. Can we do that?
Marianna
01:17:59.788 - 01:18:00.180
Yeah.
Kyle
01:18:00.260 - 01:18:01.556
Reinvent that whole thing.
Seth
01:18:01.628 - 01:18:02.164
Yeah.
Kyle
01:18:02.292 - 01:18:08.850
Well, hopefully, y'all, sometimes you think about living. We want you to live. And we love you and share.
Seth
01:18:08.970 - 01:18:11.010
Share this podcast with other people.
Marianna
01:18:11.130 - 01:18:13.394
Comment, Comment. Leave your comment.
Seth
01:18:13.562 - 01:18:15.826
I'm sure you've got depressed friends. They should hear this.
Kyle
01:18:15.898 - 01:18:21.026
Yes. And this will be coming out in or around the holidays. This is the perfect holiday movie. Yeah.
Marianna
01:18:21.218 - 01:18:22.930
Watch it with your family on Christmas.
Kyle
01:18:23.010 - 01:18:32.786
Yes. Whatever you celebrate, I hope it's a time of joy with your family. I mean that from the bottom of my heart. Love you guys.
It's been an amazing year with Movie Wars. Thank you so much. And thank you too.
Seth
01:18:32.858 - 01:18:33.474
Absolutely.
Kyle
01:18:33.522 - 01:18:34.044
I'm Kyle.
Seth
01:18:34.122 - 01:18:34.616
I'm Seth.
Marianna
01:18:34.648 - 01:18:35.688
I'm Mariana.
Kyle
01:18:35.784 - 01:18:36.200
Love y'all.