The Crow (1994)

[00:00:00] Kyle: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the Movie Wars podcast. My name is Kyle. I'm so glad to be back with you. And I feel like a little worm on a big fucking hook. I'm Kyle.

[00:00:21] I'm Seth.

[00:00:23] Kyle: And I'm Drew. I'm so excited. Uh, Movie Wars fans, as you know, we had to take a little break. Uh, I know you missed Drew and [00:00:30] Phil.

[00:00:30] Kyle: Drew's going to come back eventually and do a couple things later in the year. We'll Uh, they got busy though and so I had to retool the format and I was so lucky, uh, I opened up the forum and two of my great comedian buddies who are also, uh, movie fanatics in and of themselves, uh, not just from an industry perspective, but you have your own movie podcast, Drew.

[00:00:46] Kyle: Yeah. I don't want to take up their cloud. I want you to introduce yourself. Tell people who you are and what you do there, Seth.

[00:00:50] Seth: Hey, I'm Seth Kays. Uh, yeah. I actually, in addition to being a comedian, I'm also a filmmaker. As well, I've made music videos, short films. I've worked on feature [00:01:00] films and TV shows.

[00:01:01] Seth: So loving movies is not just a passion. It's also an attempt at being an actual career for me. So I'm real excited to get this going.

[00:01:09] Love it. Drew. I'm, uh, I guess you guys can call me Drew 2. 0 I'm another Drew. Drew Davis. I'm also a comedian. I produce shows. I have a brand Just does a lot of comedy and working with comedians Um, called quarter mile entertainment.

[00:01:26] I also have another podcast called the quarter mile podcast, which is more [00:01:30] really into fast and furious. We're finishing up our season one right now with fast and furious. And then, uh, we haven't told people what we're doing for season two yet, but, uh, I won't, uh, you'll have to go check that one out soon when it, uh, but, um, I'm also a big fan of movies.

[00:01:42] Uh, I think what I bring to the table here or to the living room is

[00:01:46] Seth: we got a table.

[00:01:47] Yeah, there is. So what I bring to this table right here is, uh, both Kyle and Seth are guys that stuff and have educated reasons for how they feel about [00:02:00] whatever movies they watch. Uh, and I love that. I'm just a guy that likes movies.

[00:02:04] I, if I have a good time with it, then it's a good movie. So, uh, I'm excited. I have, do they know about the series that can, that we're about to go into? Like, Or, yeah, well,

[00:02:13] Kyle: they, they are, some of them are listening to the Mad Max series. Um, so we haven't really had a chance to, to preface them on the Crow series.

[00:02:19] Kyle: Yeah.

[00:02:20] So we're in the Crow and, uh, this I've never, this was my first time watching the Crow and this will be my first time every episode watching the movies. And I just, I just enjoy watching [00:02:30] stuff and, and, you know, I'll, these guys will give you a good context on important things. I'll just give my opinions on things and it'll be great.

[00:02:37] Kyle: Yeah. I love it. And I can't say enough good things about the quarter mile podcast. When you, when you and I first met, you told me you had a podcast only dedicated to the fast and furious. I was like, it seems like a smart guy. I've seen him do stand up. I know he's hilarious, but I was like, I got to hear this.

[00:02:51] Kyle: Cause, and you, did you keep the feather in the air really well? Like you, like, To, to focus on one franchise, so like, it seems like it would be dangerous, but you navigate it [00:03:00] so well, it's entertaining. It's funny. So it's truly an honor to have you here bringing that to the, thank

[00:03:03] you so much. And it's weird.

[00:03:05] It was weird watching a not fast and furious movie. I was like, I was like, what does this mean? This movie needs more Vin Diesel when he's coming, when's he coming out to need

[00:03:14] Kyle: more family. And the best thing you do is you've, you've managed, even in the past week, like we had a show together last week and you managed to, to reference your, your brand.

[00:03:22] Kyle: Cause that's not just your podcast. You meant you, you dropped the title of it in random sentences where you're talking like, I just live my life with quarter mallets. I was like, [00:03:30] I don't have anything like that in my life where I can just be like, I just movie wars at one movie wars that I don't have that.

[00:03:36] We'll work on that. We'll workshop it. We'll start finding some movie wars related. I don't know. Love it.

[00:03:43] Kyle: Well, as Drew hinted at, we are diving into The Crow, and, uh, if you've been listening to Movie Wars for a while, I've hinted, I've begged for, for years to do The Crow, cause it is in my top 50, and it's one of those movies from childhood that, uh, just has stayed with me all these years, uh, my passion to do it, [00:04:00] uh, was invigorated recently, well, not recently, actually, when I first heard Uh, that they were going to redo the crow.

[00:04:06] Kyle: Um, and a lot of fans and I didn't realize, I thought it was just me that clung to this film, but a lot of people out there were upset.

[00:04:13] Seth: No, it, yeah. Yeah. I've heard so many interesting things about the new one. Yeah. Like not many good. I was going to say,

[00:04:20] I've heard nothing good. Like there's not, I'm going to feel bad if I come when we do that.

[00:04:25] And you guys are like, this is the worst man. I'm like, I kind of enjoyed it. Like, I'll feel like I'll feel like a terrible [00:04:30] person.

[00:04:30] Kyle: Yeah. Yeah. I'm saving my viewing just for the podcast. I knew, I knew I wanted to save it. I didn't want to like have any, you know, stain in terms of watching it. And I think people are mad because a lot of people say, well, they've done a bunch of other ones, like, but they didn't, they didn't tackle Eric Draven.

[00:04:45] Kyle: All the other characters, it's not Shelly anymore. Like they, Sarah, they kept her own, but Sarah, her actors didn't die on set. You know, it wasn't the daughter of a legend, you know, like even Ernie Hudson came out who I love came out and said, this is. Uh, [00:05:00] this is Brandon's movie, and we can't, so a lot of people, even from the crew, if Michael Massey were here today, I know he would be upset, unfortunately, he died in 2016.

[00:05:08] Kyle: Ah, fucker. Yeah. R. I. P. Yeah, and he, you know, and he didn't act for a long time after the accident. We'll get to it later. Yeah. Um, Well,

[00:05:14] Seth: I actually have a special connection to The Crow, the original one, because, uh, when I went and got, uh, My first tattoo, which is the bat signal on the inside of my arm here.

[00:05:24] Seth: Uh, that was the movie that the tattoo artist decided to play while I was getting my [00:05:30] tattoo. So yeah, I was sitting there laying on the table with all sorts of needles going into my arm, watching this movie. Just like, wow, this is crazy. You

[00:05:39] were watching the crow as you're getting Batman tattooed.

[00:05:42] Literally. It would've been so weird if you were like, you know, this movie is so good. Switch it up. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:05:48] Seth: Shano out here. Turn the back signal into a crow, like I'm done. More like Bruce Lame. Let's get out of that.

[00:05:56] Kyle: Yeah. And so it was really interesting to hear that I wasn't alone. [00:06:00] And so, you know, I felt supported in that way.

[00:06:02] Kyle: And I was like, wow, a lot of people were like me and loved this film. I'm reading Reddit and Twitter and. People all over the place are, and I'm like, okay, maybe I'm not a weirdo. Um, there was I mean, that's, the jury's still out on that one. Yeah, well, yeah, I'm a weirdo. I was like, yeah. This is my one For that reason.

[00:06:16] Kyle: This is my

[00:06:17] one normal scene. Yeah. I was like, I was like, I'm not gonna go that far, but. Yeah,

[00:06:20] Seth: yeah, you're like. Sure. We all try to make people laugh for a living. We're all weirdos. Yeah.

[00:06:26] Kyle: We have affirmation issues that run very deep. Deeper beyond the crow. Oh, yeah.

[00:06:29] [00:06:30] So, like and subscribe to make us feel like we matter in the world.

[00:06:32] Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:33] Kyle: Yeah. Exactly.

[00:06:35] Seth: Give us purpose.

[00:06:36] Kyle: Yeah. So, you know, and, and so this gave me an excuse to finally, to dive into the series. Um, there's so much about the movie. One thing I love is that, uh, as someone that grew up in turmoil and craziness, Um, you know, James O'Barr, who wrote the original comic, you know, wrote this, uh, he was an amazing artist, but he did horrible in school.

[00:06:52] Kyle: Um, he talks about how he had surpassed, uh, all of his art teachers, and he was an orphan, and he didn't get adopted until he was seven years old. And he was [00:07:00] kicked around from, you know, from foster family to foster family. And so, his art was how he coped. Um, and he, he started writing The Crow and illustrating The Crow when he finally found, uh, this, this woman, he was in an incredible relationship, and he talks about how if he was dark, she was light, and she was incredible, and, and they were engaged for three years, and she was the best thing that ever happened to him in his very dark life, and she died, she got hit by a drunk driver.

[00:07:23] Kyle: And so he, he, this story was birthed from that. And this is, he talks about this was his coping mechanism. Um, [00:07:30] never did he write it thinking it would become this thing that, that literally, uh, you know, stuck with people for decades. Here

[00:07:37] Seth: we are 30 years later and we're talking about this.

[00:07:40] Kyle: And I couldn't wait.

[00:07:40] Kyle: I couldn't wait to watch it for the hundredth time. You know, I was just like, I get to watch the crow again. Yeah. And so he's a very interesting guy. So I love that aspect of it. There's another aspect of this film and i'd love to hear your thoughts on this, you know I moved to nashville originally as a musician music's very important to me And I the soundtrack and I get so good.

[00:07:57] Kyle: Yeah, i'm not alone here and and you're in film like [00:08:00] you've you make films Yeah I would love to hear your perspective because I know for a fact that not every director or or anybody involved in a film goes in thinking this is the soundtrack. Typically that's a post effort. There are moments in this specifically the nine inch nails cover of, uh, the dead souls where he's jumping from rooftop to rooftop is so rhythmically aligned and perfect that I'm thinking that that was premeditated.

[00:08:23] Seth: Oh, most definitely. See, cause yeah, this is the thing. Some Some directors, the music is definitely an afterthought, but I've [00:08:30] especially noticed a trend recently where so many directors actually go into the script hearing the soundtrack, and a lot of times you'll actually see songs be put into the script, or either it'll say this song needs to play or something like this song.

[00:08:46] Seth: Should be played James Gunn is actually I feel like kind of the one who spearheaded that Recently because when he started doing guardians of the galaxy like he had that full 70s Soundtrack in his head [00:09:00] and that was kind of what drove a lot of the stylistic choices that he made with that movie Yeah, and it continued over the next two.

[00:09:06] Seth: I mean it makes so

[00:09:07] much sense because music Helps you feel things like tones of everything, tones of certain styles. I mean, music draws out emotions and connections. And so it really can take a good movie and make it great having a soundtrack when they have intentional music going into, and we, we noticed that with the crow, like, I mean, The songs fit.

[00:09:27] I even remember I was, I was, [00:09:30] I was like, uh, when I was watching the movie, I had like a Facebook status that I made and I was making like my commentary and one of my comments was like, this movie probably has an awesome soundtrack. And then sure, sure enough, someone like, it's like, it does. And here it is.

[00:09:41] And I love it because I mean, that just really connects with you when you're watching it, you don't realize that how you feel about the movie. Whatever's going on in the movie is being elevated and amplified by whatever song or track or instrumentals going on. So such wonderful

[00:09:55] Kyle: points and and it's crazy how visual it is and how visceral because [00:10:00] I hear those songs I now listen to them regularly I have for a long time and I visualize the movie scene that's in I actually have like Golgotha Testament blues When Fun Boy shoots, you know, Draven through the hand.

[00:10:11] Kyle: Yeah. That song, like, I woke up this morning and that was the first song I thought of. Like, it's just That's, that's

[00:10:16] completely normal.

[00:10:17] Kyle: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, not a weirdo. Not a weirdo. Yeah. And big empty, of course, you know, I grew up my, uh, I grew up during the era of, you know, Seattle music. I don't call it grunge.

[00:10:29] Kyle: Cause they hated [00:10:30] the word grunge. Oh, yeah. So I don't call it that either, but you know, my favorite band of all times, Alison chains. I liked stone temple pilots. Like I wasn't super deep into their stuff, but then I heard big empty in this song. And I was like, what is that? And I found out. And now like I've, uh, you know, at this stage of my life, I've bought every STP on, on at least some on cassette CD.

[00:10:52] Kyle: Then I bought them digitally and now I've bought them all on vinyl. Like they got wild and rest easy, buddy. Because

[00:10:58] Seth: Chester Bennington took [00:11:00] over for an album after that. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's the history of that band is insane.

[00:11:04] I love that you heard one song in the crow and then you developed like, and then you got like a favorite band out of it.

[00:11:11] That's so cool. Like,

[00:11:13] Kyle: well, that song is as a musician. It's just the, the, the stone temple pilots were so interesting because they were, you know, two, two of them, the founding mentors are members that were also the main composers. The, the Leo brothers were jazz musicians, but they had this rock. So they did.

[00:11:26] Kyle: They did all this and that sleazy baseline and they could do the [00:11:30] bro. It's just such a like, like 3 AM dive bar, baseline. Oh yeah. And it

[00:11:35] matches Teebird perfectly. It was so well, that the music and just the whole style of the movie was so fun because it was like, It's all this like nineties nostalgia.

[00:11:45] You know, like it'd been a while since I watched like a, a good nineties movie. And one thing I liked about the movie and you saw this more in older movies was, cause now we, in any movies that we watch today, that's modern. I feel like they have to give you a lot of [00:12:00] exposition. Like this is what's happening right now.

[00:12:01] This is the backstory, but in this movie, like you went into it. I, at least I went into it knowing nothing about anyone. Yeah. There were times where I was like. What's going on? And nobody was telling me where's the exposition guy. They weren't, there wasn't. And then you're like, you would learn as the movie was going on the plot, instead of it being told to you kind of in the, and so it was, it was interesting.

[00:12:25] Cause I feel like I've gotten used to like. Them just telling me what I need to know and like [00:12:30] actually having to figure it out. Yeah. Wow. You know, but it was, I ended up enjoying it, you know,

[00:12:34] Kyle: it's such a great point. And what you're pointing out is something that, uh, Alex Proyas, the director pointed out on the commentary, they were afraid with how simple that it was, they were like, yeah, the plot is too simple and like, we, it's not complex enough and people are going to think this is boring, but he said all the gaps are there.

[00:12:47] Kyle: We're filled in by Brandon Lee's performance. Oh, a hundred percent. Yeah. A hundred percent. Everything he did from the method acting to how he owned the character. He said, any concern we had about this being too simplistic was filled in by his performance.

[00:12:59] Seth: He [00:13:00] provided so much depth to that role that like, like you were saying, that you didn't have any background on anything.

[00:13:07] Seth: You literally start the movie and he's dead and you don't know anything about who he was before all this happened. But the moment he comes out of that grave, you could just see all the On his face that he has fully embodied this character.

[00:13:18] Yeah, it was fun. Cause I kept feeling like, did I miss something?

[00:13:20] Like, am I supposed to know something and then, but it was okay. And then what they did really well, or, and maybe it wasn't intentional, but like, um, and maybe it was the, [00:13:30] I was about to have a complaint about the movie where I was like, I was like, okay, is he just invincible the whole time? And cause like, to me that like took away like all tension in any of the fights.

[00:13:40] It's like, oh, well of course he's the one. And, and right when I started kind of getting annoyed that there wasn't like a kryptonite or there wasn't like a something, you know, um, that was when they brought in like the, with the crow and the feather and the, the Asian lady. So, um, and that, and like when I was watching, it was right when I started being like, okay, if this is the way the movie is, then I'm going to get bored real quick.

[00:13:58] It was right when I had that [00:14:00] thought that. Um, that it's like they knew in making the movie, they're like, we're going to have to put the tension in at some point. And they picked a really good time for it.

[00:14:09] Kyle: Yeah. So it's a great point. And originally what they were going to do was he was supposed to, every time he helped a human, because he was there solely as, as a member of the dead to justify the one thing that happened to him and he was going to get back out.

[00:14:20] Kyle: Yeah. So the, the original method was that he, every time he helped a living person that didn't justify his cause. He was going to lose levels of [00:14:30] invincibility. Oh, I like that.

[00:14:31] I almost wish they, I wish they would have kept that because that would have added like a different, it would have, would literally humanize him, but like also like him having to choose.

[00:14:39] Do I keep my invincibility that will help my mission or do I help this person in need? And of course, you know, watching the good guy help people in need, it makes you care for them more.

[00:14:48] Seth: But at the same time, I feel like it would have ended up doing what you were talking about earlier, how, how it would have had to make them tell.

[00:14:56] Seth: Why this is happening. I feel it would have been very difficult to just [00:15:00] show that that's a thing. Yeah. Like, I feel like there would have had to been like two minutes where someone's like, Oh, well, he's helping this person and now he's weaker. Like we have to explain this to the audience.

[00:15:10] Yeah. I

[00:15:10] Seth: feel like the way that they did end up doing it.

[00:15:12] Seth: Cause like, honestly, one of my favorite moments was when he, he like touches, uh, Darla and, and the morphine comes out of her, her, that was such a cool moment. And I feel like that would have been. Totally ruined if he sat there and was just like, [00:15:30] Oh no, now I'm weaker. Yeah.

[00:15:32] Kyle: Yeah, I know. Well, yeah, and, and you're right, and what you're hitting on is, is why they actually got rid of it was because it was in the comic, it was attached to this character called the Skull Cowboy.

[00:15:41] Kyle: And the Skull Cowboy was almost this Arbiter type ghostly character that would tell, tell Draven that these things were happening, and he was, it was almost like he was his tour guide. Like, the Crow was pretty much given distinguished responsibility for being his usher through the world, but the Skull Cowboy was supposed to be like, almost just purely [00:16:00] informative.

[00:16:00] Kyle: Person or this informative character that tells him but the reason it didn't do it was first of all exactly what you said His only purpose was to tell Brandon you're getting weaker Which works in comic form would not have worked so well in writing form and the costume they couldn't nail it They said they just couldn't get it to not to not it looks great in the comics But they could not nail it and it just looked cheesy Brandon hated it Alex hated it So they just had to get rid of it

[00:16:23] I kind of get that and like, just the idea of like, all this like 90s grunge, uh, no, not to 90s [00:16:30] Seattle, 90s Seattle vibes.

[00:16:34] And then Oh look, there's a cowboy.

[00:16:37] Kyle: Yeah, a skull cowboy. Yeah. That would've been

[00:16:39] Seth: very weird. Right.

[00:16:41] Kyle: And how many skull characters have we had in comic book universe? We had the red skull. Yeah. Ghost ghostwriter. Ghostwriter enough with the skulls already. You put a cowboy hat on it that's supposed to be better.

[00:16:51] Kyle: Like we see what you're doing. You're commandeering the whole school thing. Yeah.

[00:16:55] Seth: Yeah. No, I think the way that they ended up doing it just. [00:17:00] Genuinely serve the movie to its best potential

[00:17:02] and it helped me too because like the whole time like what? What is with

[00:17:05] Seth: this

[00:17:05] crow? Like if no one is does nobody notice like there's this like people like oh, hey What what's the deal with your crow or no one ever?

[00:17:13] no one ever asked and then finally the and honestly like I The Asian lady kind of snuck up on me because, you know, we see from the main villain, he's just got all these women he's getting with. So I thought she was just like another prostitute or whatever. And then she's like, has something of substance to offer.

[00:17:27] And that sounds mean, I shouldn't say it just like that, [00:17:30] but, um, cause you know, sex workers have something to offer anyway, anyway, but, and then she's like, just how she just knew. She's like, Oh yeah, if we mess with a crow, that'll, that'll, I mean,

[00:17:40] Kyle: Yeah, that and the quasi incest.

[00:17:42] Seth: Yeah, yeah, and the eyeballs.

[00:17:44] Seth: Yeah.

[00:17:44] Kyle: Yeah, which we yeah, they love burning eyeballs

[00:17:48] Seth: Yes, my father's daughter Okay. All

[00:17:52] Kyle: right. I guess you have a really raspy voice so you can say whatever you want, I guess Yeah,

[00:17:56] Seth: was her mom Asian or was their dad Asian? Like what was going on? Her name

[00:17:59] Kyle: [00:18:00] is

[00:18:00] Seth: Micah

[00:18:00] Kyle: Yeah, and it spells weird, you know, it's like weird Micah, right?

[00:18:05] Kyle: And the last thing I'll put around it, I think one thing that reason this movie had so much staying power is, is it's, and it's not to discredit. The, the tragedy, but the tragedy itself wrapped around the movie. You know, their decision to go forward with the movie was to honor Brandon.

[00:18:18] Kyle: Um, the production company didn't want to go through with it, but they said, uh, they were looking at the film and like, Brandon did such excellent work here. Yeah. He would be ashamed to just throw it away. He would want it. And I think honestly, that stamp put a [00:18:30] stamp on it. It's like, and the fact that he's Bruce Lee's son and Bruce Lee died under mysterious circumstances.

[00:18:34] Kyle: Um, you know, there's a lot to that. So I'm glad they came out with the movie. Obviously had a huge impact on me, had a huge impact on a lot of people. And, uh, I'm so glad that we're going to dive into it today. Absolutely. All right. Let's go to the questions here. So, uh, for, for longtime movie wars fans, you remember the scorecard back in the day when it was two movies, uh, a lot of humor was built in now that we're doing one movie at a time.

[00:18:55] Kyle: These interview questions are now written for, to kind of help, you know, uh, both [00:19:00] instigate good conversation, but also because we're comedians. Just, I just thought it would be hilarious to hear you guys respond to some of these. So we'll call this the questions. Uh, which death in the film would you want to experience the least?

[00:19:10] Kyle: Seth, we'll start with you.

[00:19:12] Seth: Uh, the knives, honestly, that just, cause, cause the thing with knives is you don't die quickly. It is going, and even if you're stabbed a bunch of times, it's going to take some time and that would just be. Horrific. So yeah, knives, death by knives. No, thank you.

[00:19:29] And [00:19:30] I read something after the movie that like, apparently when he was stabbing him, he was stabbing him in like alphabetical order of like the organs is like, I mean, I get that he's got a lot of new supernatural abilities, but he probably had to think for a minute, like, okay, next.

[00:19:46] I have to hold on a second. You know, and yeah, like, so while you're, that's the kidney. Where's the spleen? So I skipped H . Sorry. We gotta start over. How could I, the most

[00:19:55] Kyle: important one? The heart. How could I skip H aorta?

[00:19:59] [00:20:00] Yeah. So yeah, that was, that would be a wrap. Brutal. That. I, the, the car, that was my favorite scene, like that was my favorite kill to watch, but just the fact that it started with him putting like a grenade in his balls, that's a, that's tough start, that's tough, I mean you're, you're wanting death a lot sooner than you get it, and like the dude screaming the whole time, like he's aware of it, like, Uh, yeah.

[00:20:25] There's no

[00:20:26] Kyle (2): coming back , there's no coming back. . [00:20:30] Yeah. So

[00:20:32] that, that, uh, I feel that one, I, I, I would not wanna feel that one. I would be okay. Just, you know. Yeah.

[00:20:37] Seth: Anytime I see in a, in a movie or a video or whatever, anything having to do with the balls, I feel it personally. Yes. Like, I literally feel my entire body just go, Ugh.

[00:20:47] Seth: Yeah. But did anyone else.

[00:20:49] When they were watching that scene? 'cause like favorite, like, it was just a cool, I mean, it did gimme kind of fast and furious vibes. It's like, this is, I'm like, I expected the, the, the fast and furious family to come out and be like, all right, we got you. We'll have you, no one did.

[00:20:59] [00:21:00] But at the end when he we're family, the car ends up in space when he like lit the match and it made the crow on the ground. Did anyone else wonder? Like, when did you have the time? I mean, that's the complaint about

[00:21:13] Seth: Dark Knight Rises is that he had the time to make a gigantic bat on the bridge out of gasoline.

[00:21:18] Seth: Maybe, maybe he had like,

[00:21:19] maybe his crow was doing that. Yeah.

[00:21:22] Seth: The crow pisses gasoline.

[00:21:24] The little girl, he'd sometimes talk to her. He was like, Hey, this is kind of weird, but we'll set up for a really cool moment [00:21:30] after I murder someone. Hey,

[00:21:31] Seth: you're good at art,

[00:21:31] right?

[00:21:32] Kyle: They did that in one take too. Oh really?

[00:21:34] Kyle: Yeah. They, they found like a hyper, it wasn't gas, but it was like, they found something really flammable. It was like a movie. Like polyurethane. Oh, yeah, yeah. And they nailed it the first time. Yeah, I

[00:21:44] mean, it looks so cool. Yeah, yeah,

[00:21:46] Kyle: yeah. I, I agree on the car one, but for different reasons, this is gonna be really stupid, but just the idea of dying with stickiness.

[00:21:52] Kyle: On my face. Like I don't, I don't like glue. I don't like sticky things. I eat pizza with a fork. I don't like, like just stuff that shouldn't be on my body. So [00:22:00] yes, I know there's a grenade on my balls, but like, if I do survive this, my eyebrow hairs are coming out and this is going to hurt. This is worse than the bandaid.

[00:22:08] Kyle: I just don't want tape on my skin. So the explosions in the river, that's all secondary, you know, I'm not even thinking about the bad things I'm doing. I did that. It killed me for, because I got duct tape on me and that's gross. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's

[00:22:22] really all that's all he would do to you. He wouldn't even kill you He would just leave all the duct tape on your face and then go and then he'd go like make the [00:22:30] crow with the gas It

[00:22:31] Kyle: wouldn't take much like one one strand of tape on the head and I'm done.

[00:22:35] Kyle: Yeah, I'm just Chinese water torture

[00:22:37] What's interesting is all all the deaths had some relation to the wrong of the person did to them Yeah, like What wrong would you have done, had to do to Brandon Lee for him to be like, I'm just gonna put a bunch of sticky notes on his head. Oh, were you a forgetful

[00:22:52] Kyle (2): son of a bitch?

[00:22:53] Kyle (2): Hahaha.

[00:22:55] Oh, you forgot to warn me? Well, I'll make sure that you never forget anything ever again. A [00:23:00] sticky note version of memento.

[00:23:02] Kyle (2): A sticky note would remind you that lunch was at 12. 30, not 12. 45! Hahaha. Bitch! Hahaha.

[00:23:11] Kyle: All right. This is, this is awesome. So this is pre it's pre MCU, right? Uh, comic book, comic book craze hadn't caught on, uh, you know, just remembering the time anecdotally, Burton's Batman was kind of the best popular representation we had.

[00:23:24] Kyle: There was a captain America. There was the

[00:23:26] Seth: Hulk TV show, we had the Superman movies, but there [00:23:30] wasn't any type of craze like there is now, yeah. Yeah. Was

[00:23:33] this before or after Burton's Batman? After.

[00:23:36] Kyle: After. I think That was 89. Two had come out and it was the year before forever. I think so. Val Kilmer, yeah.

[00:23:41] Kyle: Yeah. And so my question to you is given the fact that it wasn't yet as popular as it is today Which obviously it's been keeping theaters open for a while What do you think of this early iteration because the way that the director describes it says it's an anti comic book comic book movie

[00:23:55] Seth: Yeah, see so the thing that I found very interesting [00:24:00] Visually, and I've noticed this kind of trend throughout older comic book movies in general.

[00:24:07] Seth: I love their use of miniatures to create the city. The city didn't feel like a single other city that I've ever seen in the world. It literally felt like its own character. And I don't ever see that. Anymore. I think Burton did a really good job in, in, in Batman 89 doing that same thing, but this, this took it to a whole [00:24:30] other level where the, they physically created this whole new world that, that no one had ever experienced.

[00:24:36] Seth: So it felt like the buildings even just became a character and, and, and the, the, the surroundings was its own character. And yeah, I just feel like you don't see that anymore.

[00:24:48] Yeah, I, um, I absolutely loved the look of it. It really felt like you were watching a comic book. So, and, uh, and I was, I'm just like with the, the Tim Burton Batman's where you're like, it had that same kind of [00:25:00] larger than life appeal, kind of the dark grittiness of it, which I absolutely loved.

[00:25:05] Um, it's interesting. I think that kind of movie, like nowadays with a lot, a lot of the superheroes movies and TV shows are more today are more kind of like antiheroes or like, like there's a big push on like the plot where the superheroes are actually the bad guys. And so there, so it's a lot darker. And so I think nowadays with like movies like the Batman and stuff like that, it's like the current, like newer superhero movies nowadays, this movie would.

[00:25:29] With [00:25:30] people would be cool with it. They would be with the dark, but I feel like when you think about like early MCU phases, like when Iron Man one came out and like Captain America, the, the, the, uh, the world war two one. Yes. Uh, that one comes out. Um, we might've not been ready for, or we might've not as been into this.

[00:25:47] Dark gritty style. Cause there was a while with superhero movies where we liked the brightness. We liked the colorfulness. We liked the hopefulness, the idea of your hero is just going around killing a bunch of people in the plot is he's just getting [00:26:00] revenge, you know, like that. So that would do good now, but I would almost say like 15 years ago, people would have been like, I didn't think it was that great of a movie or whatever.

[00:26:08] Like, and so that was kind of interesting to me, but. But, I don't know, it's fun. I, I, I, you, since you know you're not going to go out and do all those murders, I feel totally okay being like, no, good for him. Yeah, good. Justified. Like, never once when I watched any of those bad guys get murdered did I wonder, I wonder if they have like a family or like a concerned [00:26:30] mom.

[00:26:30] I hope T

[00:26:30] Kyle: Bird didn't have custody of his daughter this weekend.

[00:26:34] Yeah, so, but, like, we allow ourselves. Skank is someone's uncle!

[00:26:40] Kyle (2): He's the really weird uncle. Yeah, I will

[00:26:43] Seth: say comparing comparing the crow to especially like the nolan batman movies because especially since dark knight and iron man came out in the same year and and to your point even the dark knight as dark as it was it was still a very [00:27:00] Brightly colored film.

[00:27:01] Seth: Like it, it, it didn't hit the dark points that like the, the patents and Batman did, or even the Crow did. Like, I, I very much appreciated how deeply they leaned into the noir aspect of the way that they shot everything.

[00:27:16] I kind of, I kind of like that. I have to be in certain moods with depending on it, but like, I mean, life isn't just all bright and sunshine.

[00:27:23] Sometimes you'll want to watch a movie in a gritty setting with like. Like, you know, all the, what we saw in the crow. [00:27:30] Yeah. Yeah. All the

[00:27:32] Seth: gruesome deaths and, and someone getting like eight, eight things of heroin jabbed in them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:27:38] I honestly, I loved the, uh, the emo vibes they had. I felt like this whole movie was going to lead up into like the newest My Chemical Romance song, you know, I was waiting for it to turn into a music video.

[00:27:49] Biggest, my biggest regret was that, uh, he didn't do more with the electric guitar. That was, I was. I was

[00:27:55] Seth: genuinely expecting him to stab that dude in the face when he came in with the electric guitar. [00:28:00]

[00:28:00] You could stab someone with an electric guitar. You could take the guitar strings off and strangle someone with it.

[00:28:04] You could play something so loud on an awesome amp, like, next to the person and bust their head off. It's a superhero movie. He could get supernatural sound wave powers. I'm just saying. Have you been

[00:28:15] Seth: thinking of ways of how to kill people with guitars, Drew? Just with a guitar, yes. A keytar, honestly.

[00:28:20] Kyle: I'm gonna get you with this git fiddle.

[00:28:23] Kyle: Y'all gotta check out Drew's bit about his keytar days. Yeah, that's a

[00:28:27] great bit. I love, yeah, that's a, that's [00:28:30] an underrated instrument. Not enough people have been killed by keytars or electric guitars. And I, and I really thought the crow was gonna help me out on this one. And, uh, You know, we'll keep looking.

[00:28:40] We'll keep looking for movies where people die via electric guitars. I

[00:28:43] Seth: will say the first time I saw a WWE event in person Hardy smashed an acoustic guitar over the back of some one of the wrestlers. Oh, wow. That's the closest I've gotten to seeing someone genuinely killed by a guitar.

[00:28:56] One of the best moments when I was in a band and we were, [00:29:00] we would travel around, played a bunch of different church camps because that was how punk rock we were.

[00:29:04] Um, and there was one camp, one time where like the speaker was like, True. I need, we're going to buy you a guitar from Walmart and part of the skit is we want you to break it on stage. It was leading to this message. And when I say that was the best moment of my life, I'm not exaggerating. Oh my god. I'll blame you because that sounds exhilarating.

[00:29:23] So cool. It was like, this is, this, I didn't know it, but that's what I was made for. Like, I was like this. Which is really weird though when you [00:29:30] go home and like your parents are like, how was church camp? And you're like, I got to break a guitar for jesus They're like, we're we're moving

[00:29:39] Kyle: He broke the table.

[00:29:40] Kyle: I broke the guitar. What does he

[00:29:41] Kyle (2): want from me?

[00:29:43] Kyle: This is my defiant face Fantastic answers. All right last interview question here. Uh, why are leathers such an essential? Instinctual vigilante clothing choice because i'm covering mad max with comedian matthew blevins A lot of leathers

[00:29:58] Seth: over there, too.

[00:29:59] Seth: What's with leathers? [00:30:00] I mean, it was the 90s. Like, leather was in. I mean, you watch that episode of Friends and Ross is like, I got leather pants. Like, I don't know why. Because, I mean, The Matrix did it, Blade did it. Underworld did it, Resident Evil did it, like, it seemed like leather was just the choice for the 90s, and maybe it was, like, the rave scene that really was, like, influencing all of that, because I know, especially, like, Germany, like, that was the thing, when you go to a [00:30:30] rave, everybody's wearing leather.

[00:30:31] Seth: Nothing but leather, which I don't understand because I feel like you would be sweaty as hell doing that.

[00:30:36] Yeah. Sticky. Yeah. I think it's pretty obvious. Honestly, it's, you have to look cool when you're doing all this vigilante stuff. Like it does not have the same effect when the one survivor goes back and retells about this crazy, gruesome car killing scene he saw the crow do.

[00:30:51] And he's like, and then he got out of the car and I noticed he had a pink bathrobe. Like it's just, yeah. People are like, what? No, but like [00:31:00] the fact that you're doing it and all this like really shiny, cool, slick leather, people are like, if, if the car didn't kill me, the sword didn't kill me, then the sense of style would.

[00:31:12] Like, yeah, like. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, if they're not wearing cool clothes, then it's not a cool story to tell. Yeah. Cotton Dockers just aren't, you know, murderous enough. You gotta have Dog Martins. I don't, I don't, I don't want my murderer to kill me in shorts and like, uh, sandals. Right? Like I, I need That's so much more [00:31:30] embarrassing.

[00:31:30] Like

[00:31:30] Kyle: imagine being 1010 and getting stabbed in your organs and be like, Is that a Van Heusen? You know? Yeah. And

[00:31:35] it's just, it's just, it's a more humane way of doing things for the vigilante. It is. Yeah.

[00:31:40] Kyle: At least I know what this person's trying to do. Like they're not trying to sell me like a pyramid scheme for energy drinks in the Kroger aisle.

[00:31:46] Kyle: Like they're gonna kill me. Like that's what they doing. Granted, they open

[00:31:48] Seth: that coat, they might be trying to sell you a watch. You just never know. True. Right?

[00:31:51] Kyle: Randos, I just want to say as a reminder, the best way to help Movie Wars is to share with a friend. It's not hard. It's not, uh, it's, [00:32:00] it may seem simple, but it's literally the best way to grow. You post it every single, you know, Spotify, Apple, they all have that share button, you can put it on your Instagram stories, you can text it to your grandma.

[00:32:09] Kyle: We are great with the grandmas. If your grandma is struggling, love us. Yeah. If she's struggling with age. Show her the crow episode.

[00:32:15] Yeah. And she will love you forever. 100%. It's actually not enough people know this fact, but every time you share this video, a kitten somewhere doesn't get drowned. It's true.

[00:32:24] Seth: Yeah. It's very true.

[00:32:25] And a grandma goes on a killing spree. Yeah. Yeah. Every time we show [00:32:30] it. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Like, yeah, absolutely. That's what we really want to see. I don't

[00:32:34] Kyle (2): want to lose money on this.

[00:32:38] Kyle: Oh, and now for a fan favorite, our friends love the randos. I love that we call them randos because you know, it's random, but we call them randos.

[00:32:46] Kyle: Wow. Look at that. It kind of sounds like Rambo. Oh, although on social media, when I first started our tick tock account, I would say randos during and it pissed people off. I got death threats. Like,

[00:32:56] Kyle (2): why are you saying randos? You should die.

[00:32:59] That [00:33:00] seems like such an escalation of.

[00:33:03] Seth: I wish you were a cat so I didn't save this and you would drown.

[00:33:06] Seth: I know. It's, it is. And

[00:33:09] Kyle: you and I were talking about this on the way, on the way here. It was like social media, like if you've never done it and I hadn't really. Yeah. And it's such a horrible baptism by far. It's like, I'm going to tell the world about my favorite movie fact and then they're like,

[00:33:20] Kyle (2): die. I hope you get cancer.

[00:33:23] Kyle (2): I literally had people say, I wish I had cancer for saying something. I hope you get cancer. I'll, I'll, I'll.

[00:33:29] I'll [00:33:30] mispronounce a name and then the next time I'm like, what's fucking wrong with you? Do you not have a soul? Like, how dare you? If I knew

[00:33:37] Seth: where you lived, I would dox you for that, you asshole! I got banned from the Snyder Cut subreddit for saying something positive about Zack Snyder.

[00:33:46] Seth: I was like, Zack Snyder's cool, they're like, BANNED! And then a dead squirrel head showed up in your mailbox the next day. Yeah, and one paw.

[00:33:54] Wouldn't it be interesting if one of those crazy TikTok trolls found us, [00:34:00] killed us, for calling them randos, and then we came back to life, and we had to somehow avenge ourselves in some, like, just by saying rando to them, and like, show up to their bed at night, just whispering rando into their face.

[00:34:15] Seth: Tape their eyelids shut and go, rando! Okay, but then here's a question. What would be your spirit guide animal, what would be your crow if you came back to life? It would have to be very random. Yeah. Sloth? A 3 toed sloth feels [00:34:30] fitting.

[00:34:31] Kyle (2): What about you?

[00:34:32] I think mine would be a Dodge Charger. Hahahaha. Live at a quarter mile at a time You're still saying that even after you're dead.

[00:34:40] Just drive over to people who get angry at me mispronouncing celebrity names. I get it, it's Satham, I know now, alright? DIE!

[00:34:47] Seth: I feel like mine would be a penguin. one. That would be fun. Yeah, I mean until the death part. Well, that's the thing is it's it's it's cute and cuddly and then it cuts you Yeah, yeah

[00:34:57] Kyle: little arms, but holding a giant machine gun.

[00:34:59] Kyle: Exactly. I [00:35:00] like that visual. Yeah Rando

[00:35:04] my favorite thing to do with trolls is they'll come up to you Hop in a comment, like, tell me you don't know anything about gun control. And then I just spawned. I don't know anything about, and then they follow me and I win a fan. Like, I feel like I win the, I win the argument.

[00:35:18] Kyle: Yeah. See, I, you told me that and I actually embrace that. And I do that now. I used to get super adversarial. Like I had a guy once, this is way off topic, but we did a nightmare on Elm street one. And he talks about in [00:35:30] the documentary, there's this like five hour documentary. It's incredible about all the nightmare on Elm streets.

[00:35:33] Kyle: And England talks about. The reason that, uh, that Freddy Krueger leans like that because he, he just felt like the claw was kind of heavy. Yeah, you know and so he and I I kind of exaggerated I was like it was so heavy But I posted that and people were like that's not why And and then I found the clip I literally went

[00:35:52] Kyle (2): out and found the clip and posted it and people still were like no That's not right.

[00:35:57] Kyle (2): I'm like he's saying it right there like you don't know anything [00:36:00] about movies. Yeah

[00:36:02] I don't even I don't remember we had something like that with fast and furious where I reiterated a fact I had learned online from an interview from the director and everyone's like that's so crap. That's not true You're the worst person i'm like, I don't know.

[00:36:14] I mean unless the internet is lying and i'm it's fair But like i'm I didn't invent it, you know,

[00:36:19] Seth: unless the director was lying

[00:36:22] Which is possible,

[00:36:22] Kyle (2): but why

[00:36:23] are

[00:36:23] Kyle (2): you mad at me about it? Take

[00:36:24] it up with them, you know, yeah

[00:36:26] Kyle: randos I feel [00:36:30] like most people know but I I think we'd be remiss if we didn't open up with Kind of how the brandon lee incident happened.

[00:36:35] Kyle: Yes Um, you know the scene that had happened during is, you know, golgoth and uh, testament blues is playing He goes into fun boy's apartment during the morphine scene. It was during that scene. That's when it happened And uh what happened was that they they basically it was a shell You That from a, from a blank, uh, something like that.

[00:36:52] Kyle: And I guess there were still gunpowder. There's a lot of different versions, but basically my understanding was it was the shell of a blank. There was still powder in there. They didn't rig it right. They didn't [00:37:00] take care of the weapon. It got lodged in his abdomen and they tried to rush him to hospital and he bled to death.

[00:37:05] Kyle: One of the most interesting side facts of the incident is that Michael Massey, who was holding the weapon, who played fun boy, Didn't act for years and he came back. He did die in 2016. He did come back and did a lot of, he did a few movies, movies, did television again, but for years after he couldn't, he just couldn't, he couldn't even

[00:37:21] imagine, like, I don't blame him.

[00:37:23] Survivor guilt must have been insane.

[00:37:25] Kyle: Yeah. Yeah. And, and even though, you know, like you weren't, you're the actor, you weren't [00:37:30] responsible for that weapon. You weren't loaded, but being holding it and killing the son of a living legend. Yeah. Knowing that, like, the feeling on set was, is that Brandon Lee's gonna be a big deal after this movie.

[00:37:39] Kyle: Yeah. Yeah. The Wachowskis were, uh, before The Crow was being filmed, the Wachowskis were considering him for The Matrix. Mm. Eventually, Will Smith became the go go to guy before Keanu. Yeah. But in the very, very early, like, You wouldn't probably recognize the film. Brandon Lee was our first choice for Neo.

[00:37:56] Kyle: So there was, can you imagine having the crow and then him being in the matrix? [00:38:00] He would have

[00:38:00] been like a superstar.

[00:38:03] Seth: Oh, absolutely. I literally, when, when the movie started and I saw him come out of the grave, I literally had the thought he looks like Keanu Reeves and Heath Ledger had a baby

[00:38:12] Kyle: and he's better at martial arts.

[00:38:14] Kyle: Yeah, and he's incredible shape and he's good looking and he can act and he's funny. Yeah, he had everything and that's that's what a good action star does and when an action star kind of leans drama He, he had all the makings. Um, you know, great delivery. Um, I had somebody say, no, he was mediocre. I was [00:38:30] like, get out, get out of town.

[00:38:31] Kyle: If someone's just saying that to piss you off, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That was

[00:38:34] me, that was my brand new account.

[00:38:36] Kyle (2): Damn you! I hope you get cancer! Fuck your quarter mile podcast! You know.

[00:38:46] Seth: I hope Vin Diesel comes and runs you over in an hour.

[00:38:50] Man, me too, man. That would be great. Can you imagine they hate your podcast so much that they're like, this is time to see in our life. [00:39:00] Side

[00:39:00] Kyle: note. I just realized we have the perfect assembly here. This is fantastic. You guys are amazing. I'm loving, I'm loving having, I had a feeling getting a bunch of my comedian buddies who also love movies.

[00:39:09] Kyle: Like, I don't think there was a losing situation there.

[00:39:12] It wouldn't either be like. Amazing, or we would go four hours and never talk about the movie. What movie again? The Raven? Edgar Allen Poe, that was a good one.

[00:39:24] Kyle: My favorite bird movie.

[00:39:26] Kyle (2): Except for the birds, that movie sucked. [00:39:30] Fuck

[00:39:30] Seth: that movie. Fuck you, Hitchcock.

[00:39:32] Seth: Yeah, seriously, he's overrating. Your name has cock in it. And hitch.

[00:39:39] Kyle: Uh, this was my favorite thing. I got a few more randos, but this was my favorite one. Brandon controlled the wardrobe. Um, everything about it. Um, because, you know, first of all, he knew he had to move in it. He knew he would be doing a lot of the stunts, the martial arts.

[00:39:51] Kyle: Uh, he wanted to be able to move in it. And the whole, the whole reason that it was worn out over time is like he knew he They had like 20 versions of every piece. So the trench coat, [00:40:00] for example, when he stole 10, 10 trench coat, they were like, he needs a cape, he needs a version of a cape. And so that's where I was.

[00:40:06] Kyle: And so they had like 20 trench coats. Um, and so basically anytime, and he also, he did his own makeup. So glad they didn't give him a cape. I know that was horrible picture

[00:40:15] that

[00:40:16] Kyle: with the Raven

[00:40:18] Kyle (2): on the back.

[00:40:20] Kyle: Oh, right.

[00:40:20] Meanwhile, the

[00:40:21] Kyle: crow's like, it's a freaking raven. What if we get to the 2024 remake and we find out that's why it was so bad.

[00:40:28] Kyle (2): They did it. They gave him the [00:40:30] cape with the raven emblem on the back. I'm glad Bill Skarsgård thought that was a good idea. He's been making a lot of headway lately. Is he the one

[00:40:37] Kyle: who

[00:40:37] Seth: played?

[00:40:38] Kyle (2): Yep.

[00:40:39] Kyle: Shit. Oh, damn. And see, that was like my only That was my only, like, I like him. Yeah. And I, I like his whole fam, like, I like all of them.

[00:40:45] Kyle: They're all great. And he was so good as Pennywise and I, yeah, he was, and I kind of feel bad for him 'cause I don't know that he knew what he was stepping in. Yeah. Like by taking it. So, but anyway, Brandon also did his own makeup, so they kept trying to get makeup people to do [00:41:00] it. Um, he would tell him no, he was never happy.

[00:41:02] Kyle: And also him and Alex went through like 30 different paintings and like, yeah. Sometimes it was like, does this look too much like kiss? Uh, you know, so they had to really, and you'll, when we get into the other ones, you'll see, like, it can get bad and they can do a bad job. It's funny. Once the makeup people took over, it got real bad.

[00:41:21] Kyle: But Brandon Lee, it's like a third major film and he's like nailing it, you know?

[00:41:26] That's so interesting that he had all those skillsets. I mean, it makes sense to me [00:41:30] that, uh, he was in charge of the wardrobe because he had to think, like, how can you do the martial arts with the so, it was cool that the director was like, let's go with him.

[00:41:35] But, like, What a risk on a newer actor. We're like, yeah, let's let them choose what it make up where everyone's where that seems like a good idea.

[00:41:44] Kyle: Yeah. And you're totally right. It like nine times out of a 10, like an up and coming actor, it would be. But what I understand is that Brandon Lee won everybody over.

[00:41:52] Kyle: Oh yeah. Ernie Hudson, you have to go find this interview he did with Tony Horton of all people, the P 90 X guy. I don't

[00:41:57] know why he, of course that makes sense. Like when

[00:41:59] Kyle: [00:42:00] I saw that Ernie Hudson came out and said that Brandon Lee is the only crow was like, he was talking to Tony Horton about it, like, what did they just.

[00:42:05] Kyle: They were

[00:42:08] at a gym and they were like, Hey man, you got a quick

[00:42:10] Kyle (2): Brandon Lee's the only crow! Two more

[00:42:12] sets! Can I get you saying that in an interview? 20

[00:42:16] Kyle (2): more burpees, he's the only crow!

[00:42:19] Kyle: Yeah. But I'm like why but he talks about it, but then yeah, it's it's it's what was I talking about what we're

[00:42:27] Make up I suddenly have an urge to go work out now.

[00:42:29] [00:42:30] Oh, I get it now. I got

[00:42:30] Seth: dumbbells right

[00:42:31] over there I love it

[00:42:32] Kyle: I remember now Brandon Lee went to dinner with Ernie Hudson and like like Ernie Hudson's Brother in law died and actually he is his brother in law died a couple days before Brandon died. Oh, wow. And he comforted Ernie and like, like he was so friendly and even though he was the star, like he was just so unassuming and everyone talks about how collaborative, uh, the production crew said he was just kind and friendly.

[00:42:54] Kyle: And everyone loved him. So like, it was probably, he probably just like, they let him do it. Everyone was like, Oh, it's [00:43:00] Brandon. He's awesome. We love him. So it's, that is cool to hear though. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, you know, it's funny. Cause I love movies, but I hate celebrities. Yeah. So it's weird.

[00:43:11] Kyle: Like anytime I hear Leo talk about climate change, I'm like, I'm sure that's a thing. But now that you're talking about it, I don't care. Fuck the climate.

[00:43:18] I'm fascinated by celebrities. Yeah. The craziness that it is. Yeah. It is so much, it only makes me like

[00:43:26] Kyle: watching them act more. Yeah. And when people find out I do a movie [00:43:30] podcast, like, What do you think about this relationship in Hollywood?

[00:43:32] Kyle: I'm like, I don't

[00:43:33] Seth: care! That's not what we talk about.

[00:43:35] Kyle: I talk about the movies, unless it's Coppola. I love everything about his life. Like, you know, but outside of Coppola, not exactly a People Magazine type of conversation. No. This is really cool. And you might find this interesting with your filmmaking background.

[00:43:50] Kyle: Uh, there was a, there were rules about what colors were allowed. So if you look at the monochrome aspect of it, they actually had written rules. We don't have greens. We don't have this. We want this film to be [00:44:00] consistently drab. We want it to have this look. And so there were everyone knew there was a list and we just, we cannot have these colors, which,

[00:44:06] Seth: okay.

[00:44:06] Seth: So that is actually really interesting because if, if you going even back to the whole black leather aspect of this movie, if you watch Any other movie where everyone's decked out in black leather, it's all green covered in the color grade. Yeah. And that was just, that was a thing for the dark action movies of the nineties through the early two thousands, for whatever [00:44:30] reason, everyone was just like, let's shit green on the screen and make it all this weird green hue.

[00:44:36] Seth: I know, like, I feel like the matrix kind of like, Made it peak like that was the best version of what that could be and everyone else is just like oh well That was successful. So let's do that. But for yeah, that's very I love I absolutely love when Directors put that kind of thought into their costuming into the set design Literally down [00:45:00] to we cannot have this color like one of the reason Christopher Nolan's movies look So good in the color grade is because he's partially colorblind.

[00:45:08] Seth: Oh really? He is. He's partially colorblind. And so because of that, he's very particular with the color palettes that he chooses for all of his movies. It's incredible. Yeah. Yeah. So knowing, knowing that's, that's really impressive, actually. I like that a lot. I

[00:45:20] feel like there's another thing, like we were talking about, like the importance of the soundtrack of a movie is like something like that.

[00:45:27] It takes something from good and makes it to great. It's like, you [00:45:30] don't, like, I didn't notice that except I did notice that, like, I loved the look of the entire movie and I didn't, I didn't think to myself, Oh, they must only have a few colors that they're using the entire, but I did think, wow, this looks really good.

[00:45:44] Seth: And it even goes back to the way that they, they, they built those miniatures and made everything feel like this other worldly kind of situation. And, and like you said, you wouldn't. You wouldn't notice until someone says there's no green in the movie, but it never feels weird. [00:46:00] You're never like, it's weird that there's not this kind of color in here.

[00:46:03] Seth: Like it all feels natural to the character they created in the city. It's

[00:46:07] so interesting to how colors influence us. Like, like I remember when I used to be a youth pastor, if we did like Uh, retreats, you know, during the mornings when people came in, we'd have like all the tables would be all brightly colored, but then when they came back for the evenings, we'd change it to like blues and dark colors to chill them out a little bit and stuff like that.

[00:46:23] And like, it was like little subtle things that no one, no one noticed, but I swear it works. [00:46:30]

[00:46:30] Seth: Oh, yeah. I mean, color theory is a thing.

[00:46:32] Kyle: It really is. Yeah, and, and it's really the little details. And this is why I don't love covering new movies, because there's no interesting stories. Yeah. You know, this did not have a giant budget.

[00:46:40] Kyle: They were cutting things out because, you know, a lot of What was the budget?

[00:46:43] Seth: Do you know?

[00:46:43] Kyle: I can't remember the budget. Ten bucks. Ten bucks. But you can see a lot of the green screen in it, like when Skunk falls out of the window, when Brandon Lee's character falls out of the window. Like, there's a lot of screening going on.

[00:46:54] Kyle: Oh, yeah. So, you know, and those were in the miniatures. The car chases were all miniatures. Um, yeah, so there [00:47:00] were things they were doing, but they, there was such cohesion with the decision making, with the color, the soundtrack, they're doing these little things that elevated this movie big time. Yeah, so

[00:47:09] it just felt like, and I mean, you saw it even among the tragedy, but the movie was fun because you could tell how into the movie everybody making the movie was.

[00:47:21] And so that even after such a tragedy that I, I mean, you know, movies are art. And so that's why they were like, Brandon Lee was, this was an act of art and we want to share [00:47:30] it. And I don't know, that's cool. It was a, it's cool.

[00:47:33] Seth: Estimated budget was 23 million. Yeah.

[00:47:35] Yeah.

[00:47:35] Seth: Yeah. Which Even Even by those standards was not a lot of money.

[00:47:39] Kyle: Well, and CGI was, was, uh, was, I can't remember what was it on T2 per second of CGI. It cost, uh, it was like 1. 2 million per second. It was like, CGI was not a thing and it wasn't available at 23 million. It was basically available to James Cameron. Yeah. And that was it.

[00:47:56] Seth: And just to close holes in hands and bodies.

[00:47:59] Seth: Yeah. Yeah. [00:48:00] It was. You had to use it. And honestly, I didn't have any complaints about the couple of times that they used CG because they used it so sparingly for things that they had to use it for.

[00:48:12] Kyle: Yeah, and even though that might be the part that didn't hold up as well, I do remember as a kid thinking that was awesome.

[00:48:16] Kyle: Oh yeah, right. That was awesome. Especially when he was looking through the hole.

[00:48:19] Seth: But I mean, even today, like I literally just watched it. Six hours ago. Yeah. And even then I, I did the, the only thing that stood out to me was the fact that you could tell that [00:48:30] the hand that, that the hole was closing up wasn't his arm.

[00:48:33] Seth: Yeah. But it's just because of the angle that it was at. But if I had seen that on VHS or if I had seen that in the theater back in the day, you'd never would've known.

[00:48:41] Kyle: And I think he, they did that after he died. Mm. Okay. Yeah. They had to, they had to make that, that was a post-production move. Yeah.

[00:48:47] Seth: That makes sense.

[00:48:48] Kyle: This is a small thing, but it's crazy. Lawrence may seem to play Tintin who, by the way, amazing villain. So many great villains. It's one of my favorite things about it. He had a water phobia in real life, the actor, and it just [00:49:00] so happens that Tintin, one of the early things that happens in that fight is that, that Draven shoves his head under that puddle.

[00:49:06] Kyle: They had a really hard time filming that he had to like overcome his fear. And so the whole time they're like. They kept having to redo it because he kept he has a water phobia and like he's supposed to be drowning under there Yeah, and so I just thought that was crazy that you got a water phobia do it anyway

[00:49:20] Oh my god You almost wonder if the director's like I mean that would make a really good shot if he looks like he doesn't enjoy it Like if he's really terrified as he's being drunk, that would look great.

[00:49:29] Like I mean it's [00:49:30] sick, but like they Movie directors have been known to do that. Absolutely, Kubrick did that all the

[00:49:35] Kyle: time. Kubrick, Kubrick made, uh, well she just died recently, uh, uh, Wendy, uh, from The Shining. What, how, how could I forget her name?

[00:49:43] Seth: Yeah, I, I. Shelley Duvall. That's it, mean, she, he

[00:49:46] Kyle: literally gave her mental illness.

[00:49:47] Kyle: Yeah.

[00:49:48] Seth: I mean, he, he was like. I mean, he was pretty much responsible for Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman breaking up. Yep. Like, cause what he did for, during Eyes Wide Shut was he would, uh, Send them to therapy, but he would sit in on the therapy [00:50:00] sessions and use what he learned during those therapy sessions Oh my gosh That's not a HIPAA

[00:50:06] Kyle: violation

[00:50:07] I feel like that's breaking some kind of law Like I feel like there's rules against that Well see that, that all depends if they're licensed or not Yeah Did he really send them to therapy or did he send them to like their friend Chad?

[00:50:18] I took

[00:50:20] Seth: a therapy class in college Like yeah, I know psychology Yeah

[00:50:26] Kyle: I watched that Freud documentary. It was pretty good, you know, just penis envy. [00:50:30] It's all it really is. I want to fuck my mom. I can do this. It's just Oedipus stuff. It's all of it, really. As long as we talk about Oedipus, we're good. The War Card.

[00:50:40] Kyle: Here we go, baby. And just as a reminder, you've been doing it on Mad Max, but this is the first time we've done it with three participants here. Just to remind the crew of, uh, kind of the changes we made since we're doing one movie at a time. It's still seven categories. Uh, and basically we have an affirmative, which is our yes.

[00:50:55] Kyle: We, you know, we dig it. Uh, and, uh, and then we have the no. And then both categories are [00:51:00] named after something from the movie. So our positive, yes, I dug that is the crow flies like as an, as the crow flies. And if you didn't dig it, eat crow.

[00:51:07] I love it. Love it.

[00:51:08] Kyle: Yeah. So, and, uh, we got seven categories and also our lovely crew.

[00:51:11] Kyle: We had a bunch of people fill out the crowd score card. So I'll be mentioning some comments along the way. Yeah, thank you for that. Thanks for filling them out. Oh, yeah, it took some time and some people were very thoughtful with their comments. So very awesome. Very thankful. Shall we war? Let's do it.

[00:51:24] Kyle: Let's let's war it up. I don't. Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, [00:51:30] let's let's fly. Let's jump from rooftop to rooftop to the sound.

[00:51:37] Kyle (2): I was trying to say something and you interrupted. That was amazing. I was like, I can't talk after that. Imagine if this movie was called The Owl. This would be a much different movie. Who, who thinks that?

[00:51:49] Kyle (2): Okay, we're done. Maybe that would have been a great interview question. What's the worst bird

[00:51:53] Kyle: to like lead a soul, like a soul vigilante out of the grave? Oh, a condor.

[00:51:57] Are you kidding? [00:52:00] Where is he going? I don't know. Let's follow the giant bird. What was Darwin's bird?

[00:52:05] Kyle: The dodo? You got the dodo bird.

[00:52:08] Kyle: Literally the whole case for evolution can't just Just walks into trees and stuff like, yeah, we'll get,

[00:52:14] Kyle (2): we'll get to the vengeance later.

[00:52:15] Kyle: It was like a

[00:52:16] Seth: woodpecker. It'd be so

[00:52:17] easy to

[00:52:17] Seth: kill. He tries to kill a condor at the end of the movie and a bunch of environmentalist activists show up and fuck them up.

[00:52:24] Seth: You can't do that.

[00:52:24] Kyle (2): They're in danger.

[00:52:25] Or, or nowadays it's like an eagle and it's like America. Propaganda. [00:52:30]

[00:52:30] Seth: Uncle

[00:52:31] Sam just comes down and teabags him. I love it.

[00:52:36] Seth: I want you to stop killing birds. That's, that's

[00:52:39] the parody movie of the crows making the eagle and it's just like he's dressed up as Uncle Sam.

[00:52:45] It's all, only colors are red, white, and blue. Yeah, Kid Rock's playing in the background. He just carries a boombox. I think Kid Rock is Brandon Lee in that. Like, I think he's the lead star. Six pack of Coors Light. Just going from place to place. [00:53:00] Bud Light's

[00:53:00] Seth: back. Oh yeah, it's true. Bud Light's back. He's totally fine with Bud Light now.

[00:53:04] Seth: Thanks to Shane Gillis. Killing lobbyists.

[00:53:08] Kyle: It's terrible, but it would be a funny movie.

[00:53:11] Kyle (2): You funded universal healthcare! It's over for you!

[00:53:15] Kyle: Amazing. We just made a political zone out of it. Let's do it, yeah. The Eagle! Alright, first category, Top Bill Cast, and in this case it's just Brandon Lee. He's got the only name on the, uh, on the poster there, so.

[00:53:26] Seth: Yeah, I mean, crow fly.

[00:53:28] Yeah, fly that crow, man. [00:53:30] He did great. He was, I mean, he, it felt like he carried the movie. I mean, I feel, I feel mean to the, I know the next one's the rest of the supporting guys, but I mean, he did, he did great.

[00:53:39] Seth: Yeah, no, fantastic.

[00:53:40] Kyle: Yeah, fantastic. I agree. And there's just, you know, to me, it's just the trajectory he had after that, like what we would have seen him do.

[00:53:47] Kyle: It's always hard to figure it. He could have been Neo could have been all these. Yeah.

[00:53:50] Seth: Yeah.

[00:53:51] Kyle: So absolutely the crow flies here as well supporting cast now I want to name off the supporting cast because there's some folks in there that they kind of just tucked in there that are Pretty amazing. Yeah, tony [00:54:00] todd the candy man.

[00:54:01] Kyle: Yeah, um rochelle davis played sarah Ernie hudson who I love obviously ghostbusters. Yeah, a lot of love there Uh, Michael Wincott is Top Dollar with that amazing raspy voice. Biling is Micah, which is spelled M M Y C A, which sounds like a bad yogurt brand. Um, and then Sophia Shyness plays Shelly Webster.

[00:54:20] Kyle: Anna Levine is Darla, which I thought was good, but here's the one I really wanted to get into. David Patrick Kelly is T Bird. Uh, and, uh, you know, I'll go ahead and just kick off with this one since I'm talking so much. Uh, I [00:54:30] love David Patrick Kelly. He played Sully in commando. He is nothing like these people in real life.

[00:54:36] Kyle: Yeah. When you watch interviews, he also was John wick. He's the cleaner in John wick. Oh yeah. Okay. That's why I recognize him.

[00:54:43] Seth: Okay.

[00:54:43] Kyle: Like in the special features for the crow, they're asking him questions and he's answering everything. And like the, the, like the, the text of Bertrand Russell, he's like, well, when I'm reading Russell, you know, he's just like this well read, quiet, sensitive.

[00:54:55] Kyle: He plays acoustic guitar. Nice. But when he gets on screen, man, [00:55:00] oh my God. I mean, Sully's such a conniving and that's the one Arnold, he holds over the ledge and Deebert is just such a weird, like, I can't figure out if he's drunk or just mentally ill or he's also very dependable, you know, he's like, he gets everything done or, you know, he owns devil's night.

[00:55:18] Kyle: Um, so I love that, but I just also, man, I love, uh, Tony Todd. Uh, I just love him. He's actually like a Shakespearean guy. Um, so, I I I love the supporting cast. I know Brandon Lee because he's so [00:55:30] And because of the legend, it's hard to look past him. But I think everybody lives. I love Michael Massey is fun boy.

[00:55:36] Kyle: Yeah. Uh, my main reason I love this movie besides Brian Lee is just the unique villains. And I think every actor was chosen very well. Angel, the actor who plays skank, uh, what's his name again? Angel. Why is he not listening? This is such a long cast. Yeah. Like he's nothing like that either in real life.

[00:55:51] Kyle: When you watch interviews with him, he's just very quiet, subtle. But skank is this annoying, like,

[00:55:54] Kyle (3): I

[00:55:58] love it when you watch that [00:56:00] actors be someone they're completely not. I mean, that is acting like when you're like watching and you're like, not even like, that's cool. That's always fun to watch. So the crow flies hard on that one.

[00:56:08] Yeah, absolutely. I'm also crow flies. Uh, Ernest, uh, officer ghostbuster was my favorite character in the movie. It was, I mean, comparing it to movies nowadays, it was so nice to see like a movie where the police are actually the good guys, like there was no corrupt cops, there was a mean cop, but they were actually on the side of doing right.

[00:56:29] And I was [00:56:30] like, Oh, I forgot that. Like they can be good guys in movies.

[00:56:33] Kyle: Yeah. Yeah. That's in a, there was an emotional element to that too. When he realizes that. That he had stayed in the room with Shelly before she died. All of a sudden you're like, damn, like, that got me. That was like, Oh, this is, this is a good man.

[00:56:46] Kyle: Yeah. And, uh, Ernie Hudson's earnestness as an actor was perfect for that. His Ernie, his Ernie essness, you know. But I do think that's if you if I were to describe his acting method It would definitely be like that earnest kevin costner [00:57:00] vein. Yeah acting. Yeah, and it was perfect for this Yeah, loved it interesting.

[00:57:04] Kyle: So the crowd so the crew, uh, they were with us. They were the crow flies This is the only category they split on They split on this. It was 50 50. Um, one, one folk said on the supporting cast, each of them remember rolling Candyman is in it. Love that. I basically said the same thing, except I said it much better.

[00:57:20] Kyle: I'm just kidding. Love you. You can

[00:57:22] unsubscribe

[00:57:23] Kyle: now.

[00:57:23] Kyle (2): Seriously, write better. No,

[00:57:26] Kyle: I love it. Thank you for contributing. But then one other person went [00:57:30] on a tirade here. I love it. And I think I know which fan this was. Other than the character of Sarah, the rest of the supporting cast basically are goons.

[00:57:39] Kyle (2): They're very forgettable, besides T Bird. Uh, I literally, I know you, I love you, but I couldn't disagree more. Same. That

[00:57:47] is funny. I mean, they all, like all the villains had their one dimensional ness, but they were, they, this, they were. They committed they got so into it like each villain did just have one thing, but that's how they were written So if the [00:58:00] question was writing the actual individual villains, that might be something I'd be like eat crow but if it's like the actors Into the they took the parts that they were given and you could tell they had fun with it and they did it Well,

[00:58:11] Seth: yeah hundred percent

[00:58:12] Kyle: And it feels

[00:58:13] like they

[00:58:13] Kyle: grew out of the ground, doesn't it?

[00:58:14] Kyle: Like, we have this shitty, gloomy setting, and it feels like these people are so grimy, like, they literally, like, are weeds growing out of the concrete. Like, that's who these people are, and I feel like that's how they nail it. They're

[00:58:24] products of the crappy place they live in. Exactly. You know, if more funds were gone [00:58:30] into that town, then maybe less people would have picked a life out of crime.

[00:58:35] I knew I had to do that during that was so dumb, but like in that movie, I was like, sure,

[00:58:42] Kyle: I know you're right. Like zooming out now that we're talking, I'm like, that was the only weird thing really in the movie was the, the chant.

[00:58:50] And like at the end when he was doing it, cause he was so sad that he lost to the other guy.

[00:58:53] I was, I felt for him. I was like, that's. Oh, I guess this is a bad time. That's, that's when you're [00:59:00] wondering if he's mentally handicapped. That's when you're like, uh. Yeah, yeah, that guy's been

[00:59:04] Kyle: huffing helium. Yeah. You know. Alright, poetic killings. We're going to go into the creative slash interesting deaths here.

[00:59:11] Kyle: Okay. What do you think?

[00:59:12] Seth: I mean, there were definitely some very inventive ways of, of killing people. I don't feel like we had seen death by a shit ton of heroin on screen before that. So, I'm, I'm personally going to say that the crow flies on that one.

[00:59:27] Yeah. I mean, just the fact that it related back to the [00:59:30] crimes that they committed in the original scene.

[00:59:32] Yeah. Was made it. Was what made it good. So

[00:59:34] Seth: also, can we just really quick talk about that flashback scene where he goes back to his home and has every one of those flashbacks about the night that it happened. That was so that was one of the notes I wrote down was that was so cool. Well put together.

[00:59:49] Seth: Yeah, I have no I Cannot think of many other scenes that were better edited than that ones Yeah, like that was absolutely incredible

[00:59:57] Kyle: to watch and you probably know this with your filmmaking background, but [01:00:00] flashbacks are a risk Oh, yeah, they can be a crush They can be badly done. They can confuse the audience and usually and this is just the truth even in great films flashbacks are often Make up for gaps in storytelling.

[01:00:11] Kyle: Absolutely here. They were essential the color the the You It was devil's night. So everything was red and like, they were well done. They had, they had a purpose here. And

[01:00:20] Seth: also the fact that, that like, like you were talking about at the beginning, that there was no exposition at the beginning, you're just dropped right into the story.

[01:00:29] Seth: So the [01:00:30] fact that they were able to. Utilize those flashbacks so quickly that it wasn't just like a long flashback sequence. It was literally just boom. He's touching this thing and now he's got a flashback of that moment. And then two seconds later, he's got another flashback of this other moment in this other spot.

[01:00:46] Seth: Incredibly well done.

[01:00:47] I feel like in this movie, the flashbacks were the exposition. Yes, absolutely. And we see that still in movies today, but then you'll see them like Then give more exposition on what you already saw in the flashbacks. So just the [01:01:00] fact that I'm, you know, I'm sitting here, I'm watching this movie.

[01:01:02] I'm wondering what the deal is. They do the flashback and you're kind of figuring it out, but no one comes back. It's not like the police officer comebacks later and says, well, let me tell you what just happened. Yeah. You know, and it was refreshing. It was like, Oh, I'm watching a plot. Yeah, exactly.

[01:01:17] Seth: So sorry for, for diverging there, but I felt like that had to be mentioned.

[01:01:20] Seth: That is one of the best flashback scenes I've ever seen in

[01:01:22] Kyle: my life. Totally agree. Yeah. Yeah, the crow flies here, man. I love how each death, uh, was connected to [01:01:30] what they did to the, to Shelley and Eric. That was fantastic. Um, I think, uh, Eric made, the reason I called this category Poetic Killing because it is almost poetic.

[01:01:39] Kyle: Oh, yeah. Um, and my favorite one, even though he doesn't kill, uh, Polito's character in The Pawn Shop, uh, why am I forgetting his name all of a sudden? I am too. What's Polito's name?

[01:01:49] Seth: I think I wrote it down.

[01:01:50] Kyle: Yeah, yeah. Chicked out. I don't know how I could forget he's one of the most memorable characters, but I did not write it down.

[01:01:55] Kyle: But, uh, he, you know, that was, is that gasoline I smell [01:02:00] the way he almost enjoys every second of the revenge. Um, I think, I think it's really cool and Gideon Gideon, that's right. Such a great name for him.

[01:02:09] Seth: Yeah. Seriously, though.

[01:02:10] Kyle: Also, no one else could have played that raspy voice, the bald spot. That was great.

[01:02:14] Kyle: It was Pulido. All solid. So, totally crow flies. The crew agreed. Uh, they, they voted the same in some of the comments. Every death was an event. Uh, totally agree. And then each kill, uh, I felt like it hit the mark portraying each villain. So basically this is what we just said. So, uh, really great comics [01:02:30] here.

[01:02:30] Kyle: Although this person thought maybe they should have killed T Bird last, which that would have been interesting.

[01:02:33] Honestly, that was so interesting to me that he was the first to go because he was, he was the most. Oh, Tintin? Yeah. Cause he was so interesting. Oh, so that's Tintin. That's different than T Bird.

[01:02:44] My bad. Well, I would have, I would have loved to see him last a little bit longer. Yeah. Honestly.

[01:02:49] Seth: Yeah. It was like. You had the big boss. You had to kill the big boss at the end.

[01:02:53] Kyle: Yeah. Like And he wasn't in the room, so he didn't have a flashback. Exactly. Oh, that's

[01:02:58] Seth: a good point. So, [01:03:00] yeah.

[01:03:01] Kyle: And he had that voice.

[01:03:03] Kyle: Am I close with that? Like, oh, what is the quote you

[01:03:06] said? Childhood. Isn't there a fact where, like, he would, like, just, I might be mixing this up with a completely different actor in a different movie, but I feel like I read something where, like, he would yell in that voice to get to that point so that he could, like, do it.

[01:03:20] Seth: That makes sense. Yeah. It's very

[01:03:22] Kyle: raspy.

[01:03:23] Seth: Um, to your, to what you were saying, best quote of the entire movie, in my opinion, Dad gave me this fifth birthday. [01:03:30] He said childhood's over the moment. You know, you're going to die. Childhood's

[01:03:34] Kyle: over the moment You know, you're gonna die. What a

[01:03:36] Seth: fucked up thing to say to a five year old.

[01:03:38] Seth: I know while you're like slightly

[01:03:39] Kyle: incestuous with your sister, right?

[01:03:42] if you ever wondering like How do you get your kids into a life of crime? I think saying shit like that is like a great way to get them into it. Yeah,

[01:03:49] Kyle: that's good. Like, you're five, like, let's go to Chuck E. Cheese. Actually, let's have a talk.

[01:03:53] Kyle: We're doing the birds and the bees now. Everyone's gonna die. Here's a knife.

[01:03:56] Seth: The other, the other two quotes that I absolutely loved, uh, No [01:04:00] onions, they make you fart big time. I love that. Thanks, Sarah. And then, oh shit! Shit on me! Shit on me!

[01:04:08] Kyle: Yes,

[01:04:08] Seth: I didn't know you

[01:04:09] Kyle: were that kinky, Polito. I love it. I love it, dude.

[01:04:12] Kyle: I know he was he was so good It kind of glazed over Sarah, but she's honestly like a kind of like the only thing that annoys me. I didn't love her I didn't was

[01:04:21] Seth: fantastic.

[01:04:22] Kyle: Yeah,

[01:04:23] Seth: I I thoroughly enjoyed her performance. It was

[01:04:25] a good like Dichotomy to the to Brandon's [01:04:30] character. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, so like

[01:04:32] Seth: She, she definitely gave me vibes of like someone who was forced to grow up.

[01:04:36] Seth: Like versus, cause, We might do True Grit later, but the thing that pissed me off about the original True Grit was how fucking annoying the girl is. Because she, she seems like a child who wants to be a grown up. Versus in the remake that the Coen brothers did, again, seems like a girl who was forced to grow up and is actually taking on that responsibility.

[01:04:56] Seth: Was that Haley

[01:04:56] Kyle: Steinfeld? Yeah. She was fantastic.

[01:04:58] Seth: Incredible. But that's the [01:05:00] vibe that I got from Sarah in this, was just a girl in this life who was forced to grow up at ten years old.

[01:05:05] Kyle: Yeah. Yeah. That's true. I love it. And I love the dynamic with Darla when she's making the eggs. Yeah, that was such a good

[01:05:11] Seth: moment.

[01:05:13] Kyle: Yeah, oh, and one more thing I forgot, David Patrick Kelly originally auditioned to be Top Dollar.

[01:05:18] Kyle (3): Oh,

[01:05:19] Kyle: okay. Yeah, but they wanted Wayne Cott from the beginning, but they definitely wanted Kelly in the movie, so that's how that happened. I don't know, that would have been better in the casting, but you

[01:05:26] Seth: know, this stuff just comes to ya.

[01:05:28] Kyle: Hey,

[01:05:28] Seth: we're here, let's do it.

[01:05:29] Kyle: [01:05:30] Next category, The Mask. I named it after the Jim Carrey movie. Good movie. Good movie. Weird movie. Very good. Still haven't seen it. Really? It's hilarious, bro. So this category entails everything, you know from the leathers to the villains dressed up Just the whole wardrobe and the mask because this is going to be important through the whole franchise because each entry It looks different.

[01:05:50] Kyle: Like everything looks different. So it'll be interesting how this varies over the course of the film. And none of us has seen the new one. Yeah. But the, the preview, it looks totally different. Yeah. So what did you think of the, [01:06:00] the wardrobe, the mask, everything?

[01:06:01] Seth: Off the chain, I thought it was fantastic. I, I, you could tell that there was thought put into every aspect of what people were wearing.

[01:06:09] Seth: The way, and like you said, when, when the fact that Brandon did his own makeup, like that to me just speaks to the fact that he had embodied the character. Because that moment where. He puts the makeup on when he first comes back to the house. Like that's such an important moment that, yeah, if you kind of pawn that off to the makeup department, I can see how it would have [01:06:30] lost its its profoundness there when he is the one who's decided what he's going to look like.

[01:06:35] Kyle: I love that.

[01:06:36] Seth: So yeah, crow flies on that for me.

[01:06:38] I'm going to give it a crow's fry, crow's fry. That's what now I'm going to give it a crow's five guys. I'm going to give it a first. I'm going to learn how to speak. And then I'm going to talk

[01:06:53] Seth: good

[01:06:53] for a living. So it was, it was good, but I think what made it [01:07:00] so good for me and so different than just like modern movies that we see today is it wasn't super advanced.

[01:07:05] It wasn't super tough. Like if someone was like, I want to see a lot of good costumes and really big details and stuff like that, they might not like it as much. It was pretty basic. It was pretty straightforward through the whole movie. It was intentional. And I think it worked and it'll be interesting to watch the, especially when we get to the newest one, because something with knowing absolutely nothing about it, something tells me they probably went overboard on costumes because that's our style now.

[01:07:29] So [01:07:30] just go overboard on it. And, uh, I think what made the reason I'm saying yes to it, not because it was like, wow, these costumes are fantastic. It's because they were basic and it.

[01:07:43] Seth: Yeah, they, they felt lived in like, so something I've noticed and, and I really noticed it in the new avatar. The last airbender series is the reason a lot of these modern productions look so out of place is because the costumes [01:08:00] people are wearing.

[01:08:00] Seth: Look like you just pulled them out of the spirit Halloween box. Yeah. They don't look lived in. They don't look worn like, like every single one of these people look like this is the only set of clothes that they have and they've been wearing them every day for the past 10 years. And, and they reflected that.

[01:08:17] Seth: So yeah, a hundred percent agree with you on that.

[01:08:20] Kyle: Yeah, I totally agree. And like, you look at Rob Zombie's remake of Halloween, like all of a sudden Michael Myers needs to be, he needs to be six foot 10, you know, and it needs to be a bodybuilder type. It's [01:08:30] like this. Yeah, it's the whenever it's like when we reboot something we got to exacerbate it Yeah, you know and I totally agree.

[01:08:37] Kyle: And yeah, I go the crow the crow flies here I love it. And one of my favorite facts was not just with Brandon Lee Doing his own makeup, but they always said that the the best look that he ever had was after a day of filming Cause by the end of it, the rain that they were using on set, it would wear it down and all the new sheen would come off and those were the best takes.

[01:08:56] Kyle: Yeah. Were the ones where, like, the wetness had ruined [01:09:00] the kind of fresh look and it was almost transparent. Yeah. Uh, and so there is a rawness to it.

[01:09:04] Seth: Yeah, absolutely.

[01:09:05] Kyle: Yeah. And the crew is right there with us. They also voted Crow Flies. Couple of the comments. The makeup looks simple but natural. Totally agree.

[01:09:12] Kyle: Uh, and then, uh, without this look, there is no new generation to this. I feel like it was very unique at the time and Lee delivered it to a T, giving influence to characters like Sting, the wrestler. I agree. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. Great. Oh, he

[01:09:24] had it. I forgot about Sting with that. Yeah. A hundred percent. He, he would have been great in this movie, which is funny.

[01:09:29] Kyle: But when [01:09:30] he first started wrestling, he had the surf image, blonde hair, and it was always turquoise and pink. Yeah, that's weird. So where are we at here? We got one, two, three, four, five. We got five. Uh, so far we're going to win, but we've got to finish these categories, but the crew did give us a split. So a bunch of critics out there, a bunch of tight asses.

[01:09:50] Kyle: Yeah. Come on. Love you. Keep listening. Save

[01:09:53] Seth: your criticisms for the definitely shittier ones. Yeah, yeah, please. Yeah. Yeah. Maintain your positivity. You're going to [01:10:00] need it. You're

[01:10:00] yeah.

[01:10:02] Kyle: It's all

[01:10:02] downhill from here.

[01:10:04] Kyle: I entitled this category, how good are these bad guys, huh? What do you think? How good are

[01:10:11] these bad guys?

[01:10:12] I just want to give your titles as the crow flies. Yeah.

[01:10:16] Seth: So, here's what I am going to say. And I'm going to, I'm personally split on the villains. I think, Sixty percent of them were fantastically well done.

[01:10:28] Okay.

[01:10:29] Seth: I think there [01:10:30] were a couple, Skank being one of them, I appreciate what he was doing with the character, but there was a little too much cartoony.

[01:10:40] Seth: Yeah. For me, as far as a couple of them are concerned. As we've mentioned a couple of times, Sure. the chanting, What the fuck? Like, that's just, it's so out of place for the setting of this movie. The villains, wow, for the most part, were very well done. There was just a little too much cartoony for [01:11:00] me to fully go crow flies.

[01:11:02] Seth: So, I'm a little split on this.

[01:11:05] I'm gonna, I'm gonna, uh, I'm gonna take a stance, uh, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna say that, uh, in general, objectively, villains, not that great, what made this movie good, was that, that was part of it, was the, the plot, the killing of each villain was what escalated the plot, but it.

[01:11:23] If we're talking comics. Yeah. Yeah. If we're, uh, the, there are like, Spider Man's a great example, Batman's a [01:11:30] great example of each of their villains are well thought out. Yeah. And there's a lot of depth to them. Yeah. And if it was, if this was like a Batman movie or just Batman in general, we could say like, man, each of those villains, there's a whole, you could, there's a whole lot you can say about them.

[01:11:44] Yeah. With these villains, except for the, the, the main antagonist, Yeah. You'd have like maybe three sentences of character development. You can say, now that was intentional for the movie. So like it worked for what we were doing with the plot, but since there's this category, [01:12:00] specifically, how do we feel about the, these villains, completely one dimensional, each one had a thing.

[01:12:04] And so if this was an extended comic book series, I would hope that they would go into more detail about each of them. Cause right now they're just. They're just run of the mill henchmen.

[01:12:14] Seth: Yeah.

[01:12:15] Minions. Yeah, totally. And

[01:12:16] Seth: that's, that's, yeah, that's why I'm split is like, yeah, a few of them took what they were given, ran with it very well.

[01:12:22] Seth: But because for the most part, they are so flat as characters, I feel like instead of taking it upon [01:12:30] themselves to add depth for themselves, they just kind of went with, let's go over the top with this. Sure. So, yeah. I agree with you on that.

[01:12:38] So even though, so even though I'm saying no to that one or eat crow.

[01:12:41] Eat crow. I do think it's important. Fry that crow. The movie would not have worked as well though if each villain was really well developed and we had to spend time developing each person.

[01:12:55] Seth: Because it's definitely not a movie where you want to care about the people who raped [01:13:00] and murdered people. Yeah. So

[01:13:02] it's like, well, they had good reason.

[01:13:04] They're just, yeah, there's no, like, just people on

[01:13:07] Kyle: both sides. I could see it both ways. Well, honestly, even though I go crow flies and it doesn't matter, I'm overruled, which is great. On my own podcast. Three more overrules

[01:13:21] and we're kicking them off the podcast.

[01:13:23] Kyle: Yeah, and then you guys are going to take over and you're going to call it something else.

[01:13:27] Kyle: Eagle, Eagle Wars. [01:13:30]

[01:13:30] Freedom.

[01:13:32] Kyle: Starring Kid Rock. In theaters November. Um, This is one of the reasons I love the scorecard though. Because like, it leads conversation. You guys, even though, like, I obviously think differently. Like, you did open my mind and you just blew my mind. Because Earlier I asked you the question, how does this compare to what is now a very popular ingrained in our society, which is MCU, comic book, and, and you're so right, what we're used to is that, like, you know, what's his face, and I'm not a big MCU guy, but, you [01:14:00] know, uh, Dr.

[01:14:00] Kyle: Octopus, is that his name right? Yeah. Doc Oc, yeah. Yeah, Doc Oc, like, he has such an interesting backstory. Oh yeah. And we're used to, like, because we have so many of these movies and so much supporting comic book literature, we get lifetimes. And, and, it gives you the time to almost say, well, if you're a fan of the literature and the movies, well, he did that because back in comic number whatever, this happened to him.

[01:14:24] Kyle: And like, and diehard fans are doing that. Here, we have, you know, one set, we have The Crow, which I think [01:14:30] it was four? There were four different crow graphic comics, but they were combined into one. Now you buy them as one, but I can't, I think it was four or five, but you're right. Like it's it's, and there may have been more detail there, but you literally are kind of just dropped into this story.

[01:14:42] Kyle: Yeah, and you just know these are bad grimy dudes that look like they grew out of the ground. Yeah. I totally respect that point of view. I love that they're unique and I love that their attributes connect to how he kills them in the end. I think that's great, but I could also see like wanting more like how did t bird like You Did they call him [01:15:00] T Bird because he was bad at T Ball?

[01:15:01] Kyle: Like, I, like, his parents, you know. His first

[01:15:03] name's Theodore. Yeah! Like, And it's actually B Y R D, it's just a last name. It's just, it's just a street name back when he was young, getting into the gang. Yeah, like Gideon. Like, Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Biblical name. He grew up Southern Baptist, but really went south.

[01:15:20] Yeah, and the weird He liked

[01:15:21] Seth: laying fleece out in the rain and, uh, he wanted to make sure it got wet in the morning. Yeah,

[01:15:27] Kyle: so I totally Bible deep cup, deep cut, [01:15:30] y'all. I love the points of the crew, the crew went crow flies, but, uh, here we, uh, it's five to one. It's wrong. Yeah. Yeah. Wrong! Eagle! Eagle, this is Movie Wars 2.

[01:15:39] Kyle: 0, where we hate the fans. I asked you just to make fun of you. No, cool. No. Love, love those points though. Very good. Um, all right. Next category. I call this the Shitty City Award. Which is actually, it's supposed to be shitty. Yeah.

[01:15:56] Seth: Uh, but rate the setting. I mean, I, to me, a hundred [01:16:00] percent. Crow flies, like I was talking about the, the fact that.

[01:16:05] Seth: They used miniatures and, and I know that was the thing to do back in the day, but we've lost that so much. I know it's still sort of a practice, like I know on Blade Runner 2049 miniatures played a huge part in the setting itself, but I feel like it's somewhat of a dying art outside of a few directors who are very intent on making sure everything that can be real.

[01:16:29] Seth: I think we all [01:16:30] know one of the biggest reasons Lord of the Rings is so good today is because I think the estimate is like 75 percent of the things that you were seeing on screen were filmed in one way or another and looking at this city. It, it is its own character. It has its own life. There is its own blood force.

[01:16:51] Seth: That is, that is making this thing its own personal character. So for me, I think they nailed it. I a hundred percent. I'm on a crow flies on this one.

[01:16:59] Love that. Love it. [01:17:00] Same crow. Keep, keep that crow flying. I mean, yeah, it was great. Uh, I mean, as soon as you get into the movie, you're just. So dialed into this place like it makes sense that the first

[01:17:11] Seth: shot

[01:17:12] Yeah, it makes sense that all these like terrible criminals are terrible I mean, there's probably so much seasonal depression there people probably it's probably just a rough place to live Yeah, can you imagine being one of those police officers or that is not where you want to get?

[01:17:24] Yeah And I travel

[01:17:27] Kyle: to Seattle for work every six to seven [01:17:30] weeks. And this made Seattle look like, you know, the sunniest place on the planet. Yeah, I agree. And the reason I agree, it's like, you never asked the question. I just realized, like, I've seen this movie over a hundred times and never did I ask, like, why does it never stop?

[01:17:43] Kyle: Like, not even a moment. It's just like, and you're like, Why is everything so run down? Like, why is almost everyone evil? Like 98, but why is 98 percent of the population horrible? Yeah, you just, you're so bought in that you just never think to ask, you know? And [01:18:00] so, and, uh, I totally give it the same. So love it.

[01:18:03] Kyle: And the crew also, uh, one, uh, on that one, or sorry, I say a one. I wrote the number one to indicate that they said the crow flies. I'm getting lost. Y'all are a bunch of winners. Yes. I'm getting lost in my own production sheet here. Alright, it's 5 1, uh, last category, or not that it matters, cause we're, we see the score, but hey, we gotta finish it out.

[01:18:21] Kyle: Yeah. Rever Revenge served awesome. Did the uh, did the because revenge is the theory the whole thing through the movies, right? Do [01:18:30] you feel like it delivered on on this purpose? Did they did he i'm trying to think of a good way to say that did the did the punishment fit the crime?

[01:18:36] Seth: Oh, yeah,

[01:18:37] Kyle: so yeah

[01:18:37] Seth: Here's the thing I have to do with this movie in particular is I have to look at it for when it came out because Clearly we have had So many revenge movies come out since, and there were definitely plenty before, but it wasn't as drawn out of a genre as it is today.

[01:18:55] Seth: So for me, I am going to forget everything that has happened since this [01:19:00] movie has been made. I'm going to forget everything about John Wick. I'm going to forget all of that. And I genuinely think this is one of the most timeless revenge flicks I've ever seen. Yeah. Legitimately brought me back to some of the grittiness and Especially a couple of like 1970s revenge movies.

[01:19:18] Seth: I don't know if y'all have seen a spit on your grave. Very, very graphic intense movie. I don't recommend it for most people because it is a very disturbing watch. But to me [01:19:30] that is a very quintessential revenge film and this harkened me back to that kind of setting where yeah, genuinely you are you are making sure that.

[01:19:41] Seth: Each person who did something horrific had something equally as horrific done back to them. Yeah. So crow flies on that for me. I

[01:19:48] love that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the revenge was the plot of the movie. Yeah. So at the crow flies, uh, I, you know, it's, you go into it watching, knowing you're watching an antihero, like this, what the context would be completely [01:20:00] different if this was a Superman movie.

[01:20:01] Right. And like, cause there's part of me that like, when he busts into the banquet hall and is killing all those people, I'm like, I hope that guy didn't have a family. He didn't even, he wasn't even part of the, he just was there. He was just a henchman. He was like, get him. And he was like, okay, I guess I need to pay for my child support.

[01:20:15] You know, like, so like. Maybe a little overkill to the people that weren't present in that. But I mean, they were working by association for that, but I mean, it's just, you go into this knowing like, okay, he's an antihero. This is, it's just like we were talking with kind of villains. You understand the [01:20:30] motivation to why they are the way they are.

[01:20:32] Um, well. That's something maybe we could have used more of in this movie with the individual films, but with Brandon Lee, you understood why he was the way he was. And so there was nothing in me that's just like, Oh, he's a little heavy handed here. I'm like, yo, get him. Yeah.

[01:20:46] Kyle: Yeah. I love that. Yeah. And I love how you went back to, uh, I spit on your grave.

[01:20:51] Kyle: Yeah. Really great. Yeah. Revenge is such an interesting thing because it's, it's an asset to so many movies, Westerns. Uh, so many genres, you know, you, you films that depict, you know, [01:21:00] Roman, time, you know, whatever it is. Like, it's just, it's a, it's just very commonplace. This was actually the only category where I actually did go the other way.

[01:21:07] Kyle: And it's kind of weird to say that I, I, it's, this movie is the perfect movie to me. It's not like I, you know, but the thing I don't get is the flat, like I love the flashbacks, but at the same time, it feels like it's his only measure of like who to kill and when, and like, he didn't even know top dollar existed until he confessed to him that he was the guy that hired T Bird.

[01:21:26] Kyle: But remember

[01:21:26] Seth: you had the crow guiding him. Yeah, he was about to put himself [01:21:30] back in the grave Until the crow itself realized that sarah had been kidnapped.

[01:21:35] Kyle: Did he just forget you know, like oh, yeah, there's this other guy He hired all these guys. Well, I

[01:21:39] Seth: to to what the what I got out of that was That because he died and came back, I don't think he even remembered Shelly until he got back to the apartment and then that's when all of the flashes starting hitting him and he, that's when he started remembering what happened.

[01:21:56] Yeah. When he first came, he, uh, like in the beginning, he wasn't [01:22:00] completely aware of what was going on and you would see the pain he would have as he had those flashbacks, which was their storytelling device of telling us the plot. Yeah. Yeah, what's kind of interesting. So yeah,

[01:22:12] Seth: I don't know to me. I feel like it it it worked itself out appropriately But I guess I get why I get what you're saying.

[01:22:19] Seth: Yeah, like the other side of it

[01:22:20] Kyle: I'm just trying to figure out like like we're already like we already rose from the dead here. Yeah to avenge some stuff Yeah, like it's kind of weird the oversight was like, oh, there's this [01:22:30] other guy. He's the boss. Yeah, let's go eat He took Sarah. Let's go get it. Yeah,

[01:22:34] Seth: but I don't know.

[01:22:34] Seth: Like I said, he he had He wouldn't have had a memory of that guy. And then the only reason he, he went after him and then got the confession was because of Sarah. Yeah. So I don't know. It makes sense to me.

[01:22:46] One thing we never get is like an explanation of like

[01:22:50] Seth: how he came back.

[01:22:51] Yeah. Like was like, uh, that

[01:22:54] Seth: was in the opening narration very specifically about how the crow.

[01:22:58] Seth: Was leading his soul, [01:23:00] uh, to the grave, but because there was unfinished business, the crow kept him and brought him back on the same day.

[01:23:05] Right, so right from the start, we should just be okay with crows doing that. Yeah. Like that's, yeah. Like that's,

[01:23:10] Seth: to me, whenever I watch a movie like this, Especially, especially when it has a little opening narration like that.

[01:23:17] Seth: My rule is the moment the movie explains the rules of the universe, throw everything you know about anything else out the window. And these are the only rules you have to follow.

[01:23:28] It's kind of like how in like any karate kid, [01:23:30] Cobra Kai, like, Oh yeah. Karate solves everything. Yes. Yeah. Like or Fast and Furious.

[01:23:34] When you land on a car, it stops you from dying. Like

[01:23:37] Seth: for me, I'm like, A recent one that I feel like, for me, did it well was Tenet, Christopher Nolan's movie. So many people hated that movie so much. I loved it. But it's because they missed the first 15 minutes of explanation, where literally it set up every single rule for what was about to happen, and nothing happened outside of those rules.

[01:23:58] Seth: But everyone was trying to [01:24:00] explain it in modern day physics, in modern day blah, and I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no. They told you exactly how this was gonna work. You have to follow those rules and he stayed within those bounds I really like that you said

[01:24:10] that because that is true about movies like when you get into whatever universe you're watching of whatever series and Even with TV shows like you just know well in this in this movie.

[01:24:20] This is the way it is because that's the plot Yeah, well

[01:24:22] Seth: not even the plot. It's it's it's the rules of the universe So if if a movie or TV show Tries to [01:24:30] say this is grounded in real life, then feel free to go and say, well, this isn't realistic for real life because that's what they're trying to do. But when you're watching a crazy movie like the crow or like tenet or like interstellar or something that clearly is trying to break the bounds of what we know.

[01:24:46] Seth: In this world, you have to forget everything that you consider about our world because you're not watching our world. You're watching whatever world the creator has come up with.

[01:24:55] And then that's where movie critiques come in. Cause then we start noticing when, if it goes on long enough, we start [01:25:00] seeing them do things that are not in the rules that they created.

[01:25:04] You're like, wait a minute. So I feel

[01:25:06] Kyle: the same way about fan theories. Yeah. You know, fans just run wild. They're like, well, And they'll like, they'll argue something that didn't even occur in the movie. Yeah.

[01:25:15] Seth: I see so many people doing stuff like that on Reddit and my comment is always, I am so glad they did not let fans write this movie.

[01:25:22] Kyle: Yeah. Oh, and do you see on Reddit when they do the fan, like I, I wrote a fan script. Yeah. You're like, delete! Yeah. I'm like, I'm sure

[01:25:28] Seth: it sucks. Please move on.

[01:25:29] Kyle: [01:25:30] Yeah. Or maybe it's just that every bird has a job. You know, storks deliver babies. Bald eagles made freedom. Yep.

[01:25:37] Kyle (2): Crows bring people back from the dead for a event to murder.

[01:25:40] Kyle: Yeah. To, yeah. It's really basic. Drew Crows,

[01:25:43] crows are the avengers of

[01:25:44] Kyle: the, have you, have you never bird watched before? Parents let us stop. Not yet, but now I'm gonna Absolutely.

[01:25:49] Every. Wow, I wish birds

[01:25:52] Seth: would be so much cooler. Ducks are dicks. Like, I mean, maybe that should have been the remake. Every bird has a job.[01:26:00]

[01:26:01] Seth: Each sequel, like

[01:26:03] Kyle: pigeon, the owl, the owl is wise.

[01:26:09] Man, we do give a lot of responsibility to birds. Vulture is just some creepy dude with dead bodies. Yeah.

[01:26:18] Kyle (2): Think about it, this could have just as easily, a whale could have brought him back. Now you're like, open my mind, this movie sucks. Like, it could have just been like an octopus be like, you know, if I could get on land, I'd be bringing you all back.[01:26:30]

[01:26:30] Kyle (2): With all eight arms, eight people

[01:26:32] a day, coming back from the dead. Well, octopus, like, that's an alien. By a lot of people saying it's not really a, not really a aquatic. I mean, they can

[01:26:41] Seth: breathe above and below water. Like it's absolutely insane. So I could see it

[01:26:45] happening. We're going to need more people to be brought back to life by crows to fight off the octopus invasion.

[01:26:50] Kyle: They say that they would be easier to domesticate than dogs if they could walk on land.

[01:26:55] Seth: Yeah, I'm sure. They just need bones.

[01:26:57] Sorry, if someone was like, here's my pet octopus, I'm like, I'm leaving. [01:27:00] Yeah. Oh my god. No thank you. Only in East Nashville. You're right. Fry that and bring it to dinner, otherwise I don't wanna.

[01:27:09] And even that, no. I found it behind barista parlor. Yeah.

[01:27:15] Kyle: Awesome. Well, dude, six to one, our first war score.

[01:27:18] Kyle (3): Woo!

[01:27:19] Kyle: I just gotta say, you two killed it. Amazing. Thank you. Thank you. I loved it. Uh, we're gonna get into the Crow City of Angels next. Yeah. Here we go. So, get your drink on. I've heard it only [01:27:30] gets, goes uphill

[01:27:31] for me.

[01:27:31] I've heard, everyone says these movies are just, they get better and better and better. I feel

[01:27:36] Seth: like the next one might be a two joint movie.

[01:27:38] Kyle: What's funny, what's really funny is it's like, you say, take this positivity cause it gets worse, but then you hear how bad the reboot is. Like maybe cling to it for a little bit.

[01:27:48] Kyle: Just find the good in the next three, just cling on to

[01:27:50] one good thing and then get to the reboot. I do love series and I'm excited to watch, like, I love just watching stories continue, but like, as soon as this movie finished, I was like, [01:28:00] They didn't need a sequel. Like, right away, I was like,

[01:28:03] Kyle: Just a sequel.

[01:28:04] Kyle: Well, Brandon Lee was signed up for three. He was committed to three. And then they figured they had to do That's why they couldn't get Alex back. Yeah. Um. See,

[01:28:12] Seth: I wonder how that would have worked, though. Because the only reason he came back in this one Was because everything happened directly to him. I don't feel like it's appropriate to turn his character into this random ass vigilante guy who comes back to avenge other people Yeah, like the only reason sequels make sense and i'm again, I [01:28:30] haven't seen any of the other ones So I don't know if this outgoes but my guess is Each one is a different protagonist and each one has a different reason for coming back.

[01:28:38] Seth: Exactly. That is the only way I could justify having sequels. The next one is Tintin

[01:28:42] comes back. And he goes and mutilates a dead body. He starts off with a butter knife. He's got to build his collection back. So he kills the little girl, Sarah, right? Then she comes back in the third one to kill all of his family.

[01:28:54] And then, yeah, that's, I think we just, the crow, the Tintin. And then [01:29:00] the, it's just the trilogy or the series

[01:29:02] Kyle: is called murder. Or maybe Draven has repressed, repressed memories, you know, and the crow brings it back. You remember chip who stepped on your toe at homecoming in 10th grade. His time is up!

[01:29:14] Kyle (2): Let's go kill your stepdad.

[01:29:16] Kyle (2): Remember your uncle who told you you were adopted? His time has come!

[01:29:21] What a weird threat to give people now. Like, after someone pisses you off, be like, I hope I die and then a crow brings me back to kill you. Yeah, that'd be pretty wild. [01:29:30] People would be like,

[01:29:30] Kyle: stop talking to me because I'm such a pacifist.

[01:29:33] Kyle: Now I'm not confrontational. I can't imagine being brought back. We're going to kill

[01:29:37] Seth: these people, all of them really. That's a lot of people, bro. I'll just sit back. Y'all I'll hire somebody. I have to kill every person that wronged me. Upwork,

[01:29:46] Upwork freelancer.

[01:29:49] Kyle: Awesome. Well, before we close up, where can people see y'all you're touring?

[01:29:53] Kyle: You're out.

[01:29:53] Seth: Yeah. I got a show at third coast comedy club on october 4th [01:30:00] Yeah, come see me there and then i've got one more on November 7th, right before I go to Orlando for my birthday. So beautiful. Yeah.

[01:30:07] Orlando, Seth K's comedy on Instagram. Y'all beautiful. Yeah. Best way is to follow me at drew Davis comedy on Instagram or Facebook or over your favorite original over here.

[01:30:17] We just nice and easy. Drew Davis is my name. Comedy's my game. Yeah, I'm never saying that again

[01:30:27] I'm gonna go kill myself. He's good. Yeah, and [01:30:30] hopefully The crow is never coming back for you, bro Yeah, but uh, we do I do produce a lot of shows here in nashville or kind of nashville adjacent middle tennessee area and And one of the ones that's a new one starting in a couple of weeks is in Franklin at the Buganaut pig.

[01:30:45] It's a showcase and then an open mic afterwards. And the best thing to do for a new show. Yeah. We're calling it bacon and bits. Oh, yeah. We're built for this baby. Absolutely. It's funny. Cause like. The last open weekend rain was at a juice bar. [01:31:00] And no one believed that I could, like, I'd ever heard of a juice bar.

[01:31:03] And now I'm at like a barbecue and burger place and people are like, that makes sense. But, uh, it'll be a lot of fun. It's every Thursday and we really would like, um, an audience. So that would help.

[01:31:14] Kyle: If you're in Tennessee, come, come see us. We do have a Tennessee contingent in the demographics here. I actually just looked at them.

[01:31:19] Kyle: We do have a pretty big Tennessee base. That makes sense. Cause you're. Grassroots. Yeah. Yeah. Our biggest one is Paraguay. No. That's unfortunate. Actually, a lot of [01:31:30] Irish. Oh, that's

[01:31:31] Seth: cool. Ireland, I love you. I will probably be back at some point in the next year or two. So, yeah, let's, let's, let's do some comedy while I'm out there.

[01:31:37] Seth: Yeah, someone

[01:31:37] invite me to Ireland to do comedy. Yes. Game. Well,

[01:31:41] Kyle: awesome. Six to one. Thank you guys so much. It was incredible. I'm Kyle. Thank you.

[01:31:45] Seth: I'm Seth.

[01:31:45] And I'm Drew.

[01:31:46] Kyle: Love

[01:31:46] Seth: y'all. See you next time.