The Crow: City Of Angels

Kyle

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Movie wars. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the movie wars podcast.

Seth

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Woo.

Kyle

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I got my buddies back here again. I'm all your nightmares rolled up into one. I'm Kyle.

Seth

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I'm Seth.

Drew

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I'm Drew. Insert movie quote here.

Kyle

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I wrote down a few you could have. These were the worst ones I saw. I'll be seeing you, sugarplumen. We're gonna celebrate Christmas a little bit early this year. And fuck you, bird dick.

Drew

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That's mine.

Seth

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Spider Monkey is a fucking crispy critter.

Kyle

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Oh, my God, it's Spider monkey. Just instantly, we killed you. You remember how, like, the last one, it took t bird? That was part of the drama. He was like.

He kind of slowly realized it. Spider monkey's like, hey, we killed you instantly. It is like, yeah, yeah, give it a minute.

Drew

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I mean, I don't know, if I was in his circumstance, that might be the first thing I'd say too.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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I do think my favorite quote from the whole movie was, pain is my power.

Kyle

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Oh, my God. Everything was so telegraphed.

Seth

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I have so many thoughts on this movie.

Kyle

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Oh, I cannot wait.

Drew

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Yeah, let's, you know, like, to be.

Seth

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Honest, if no one realized how fucked up Harvey Weinstein is before this movie, this movie should have tipped everybody off.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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Cause he took the idea of the first movie and was just like, what if we made it more bdsm?

Kyle

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Yep.

Seth

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Like, let's just get more tits, more black wax poured all over people. Like, let's just. Let's go all the way. Let's put all of my fetishes in there.

Drew

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Listen, tits and black wax aside, it was a terrible movie.

Seth

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So bad.

Drew

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It was so, like, it was like, they tried. They were like, let's do the crow. As if a fifth grader just watched it and was wanting to make his own story.

And then he just basically rewrites the crow, but not as good.

Kyle

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Basically, anytime some film snob. And you know them, right? Like, you're like, oh, well, Weinstein discovered and nurtured Tarantino's career. It's like.

But he made City of Angels, literally. What are we gonna do about that? That's what got him in prison.

Seth

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Yes, his name's on Lord of the Rings, but the city of Angels.

Drew

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What if, like, he just had a busy week and the script was due and, like, I don't know, maybe there's some family stuff. Maybe he had another project he was working on and, like, if we knew his side, like, maybe he's like, look, I was already working 60 hours.

I did what I could.

Kyle

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Yeah, that was a favor for a friend, for a bird.

Drew

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I lost a bet, and so.

Kyle

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Well, I gotta. I'll kick off with this. So I. You know, when I look at sequels, I have a couple of different methods for assessing.

I think timing, timing, context is always the most important for any movie.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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You know, judging a movie by today's standard that was made in 1973 is going to be weird. It's not that you can't call out maybe the.

The less progressive ideals or whatever it is, but, you know, respecting it for what it was when it was made is important.

Seth

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Absolutely.

Kyle

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So that's part of it.

But also, James Cameron has this idea, and he talks about this in the t two and the end, aliens, too, and those sequels, that the sequel should stand on its own. Like, you should not have to see any other movie in the franchise to enjoy the movie. And I think that's interesting.

I don't necessarily think that's the truth, but I do think there's an element that you do want to make it that good.

Seth

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To me, I think it depends on whether or not it's a sequel or part two, because if it's, like, great example, Lord of the Rings, I will always bring anything back to Lord of the Rings if I can. Lord of the Rings to me is 111 and a half hour long movie put into three volumes.

Kyle

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Yes.

Seth

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That's a part one, part two, part three versus alien. Aliens. Alien three. Those are each their own. Yes.

They're continuing a broader story, but they should start and end as if it's going to be the only entry into that part of the franchise.

Drew

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I like knowing that people go into directing sequels like that and having that knowledge there that some people are like, it should stand alone. I don't know if I agree with that, though. I think it should stand alone in that it says just as good of a movie.

Four sequels are a thing, and we don't like those.

But if I'm watching the crow part two, I want it to be connected to the crow part one, because I watched the crow part one, and I thought this was so good. Let me watch part two in this movie. Like, at no point does anyone be like, remember when this happened a couple years ago?

Kyle

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Yeah.

Drew

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Like. Like. And I. It's just. And I'm trying to conserve my thoughts. Cause I'm trying to keep two and three separate.

Seth

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Yeah, yeah.

Drew

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But, like, I feel like they should. Sequel should build on each other, and then as a result, like, the bad situation should always be escalated. Absolutely. Like, right. So.

And honestly, the ending of this movie, like when the guy, when the bad guy got the crow powers, like, I was like, okay, cool. This is something bigger than last time.

Seth

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Threw it away.

Drew

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I was like, we should have gotten here sooner. This is, yeah.

Kyle

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Yeah. Their choice to dip into the ethereal randomly, really. Like the crow blowing up the palm trees where I flew by.

It was like, where the fuck did that come from? Like, what coked out night did you guys write that?

Seth

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Suddenly there's like a Yde thousand crows and it's like, oh, wait, then why did the one crow matter?

Kyle

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Yeah.

Drew

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So at that point, I was so, like, done with this movie. I was, I pointed to my tv screen and I was like, sure, yeah.

Kyle

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And somehow two years later, the CGI is worse. Yeah.

Drew

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Let's not forget to talk about the blood in the third movie. That, that's, that was, so we'll get there.

Seth

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But we got a whole other episode.

Drew

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For that one, too. Like, even, just again, like, the movie should be standalone. Good.

And it should be the kind of movie, like, if you didn't see the first one, you could still enjoy the second one. But, like, I don't know, Sarah, at some point when she's helping this guy, she'd be like, hey, I've actually seen this before.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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See, I am just now finding out that Sarah is the character in the second movie. I had no idea. I would never have told you. Yeah, I had no clue.

Drew

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We talked about it before and where you confirmed it. I was on the fence because, like.

But if I was writing the movie, she would have been the, I mean, not saying that I feel like other people might have suggested it's not just a Drew Davis exclusive idea here, but she should have been the crow. She should have been the one who got the powers. And even if she didn't die first, even.

Cause she was seeing these visions, if she was able to help, I mean, I mean, I don't wanna, I don't know what the rules are to crows resurrecting you to become a vengeance machine.

Seth

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I mean, you kind of have to die to be resurrected.

Drew

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But that's the story. Maybe she dies and then she, that.

Kyle

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Was one of the ideas. In fact, that idea got kicked around for a lot of the sequels is could we bring Sarah back and make her the crow?

That was one of the, it could have worked.

Seth

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I will say I will give. Cause I am the type of person, I will give credit where credit is due. That resurrection scene was actually amazing.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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I was so into that also. Just down to the stupid little scientific facts.

About how, literally, him being underwater in a cold city like that would have fully preserved his body. That kind of was a little bit of a nitpicky problem I had with the first one is he was buried for a year. He wouldn't have had skin.

He probably wouldn't have had muscle. The bones would have started to, like, decay. So there really is no reason he should have come back as a full blooded human being.

Kyle

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A good looking one, too.

Seth

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Yeah, exactly.

Drew

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He eventually heals, though. Like, he would have. I mean, maybe not right away, but, like, it would have. Sure.

Seth

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But still, it's just. It's like he just came out longer. He came out as if he had died the night before.

Drew

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Yeah, I. But I think because, honestly, with the whole movie, my biggest thing was, like, I could care less about ash.

Seth

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Yeah.

Drew

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Everything about ash. I was like, I don't care. Every time Sarah was in a scene, I was like, she's the main character in my brain.

Kyle

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Every time Ash talks to, you're just like, shut up.

Drew

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Yeah.

Seth

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What was with his accent?

Kyle

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Yeah, well, he's a. He's a european actor. He's a big deal. So Vincent Perez is actually a big deal in Europe.

Seth

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I heard the name.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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I don't know anything about him.

Kyle

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He'd done a lot of, like, french historical romance movies. He's like. He was like a kind of a.

Drew

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So this was sex icon. This wasn't his niche. I mean, he's like, I'm more into french historical romance.

Kyle

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And I got plenty of randos about how they achieved the. The lead actor for this. Yeah. You know, and we.

Earlier, we mentioned just two years later, not just the CGI, but they, you know, Brandon Lee's grave is not even settled yet.

Seth

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You know, literally.

Drew

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Yeah.

Kyle

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You know, it's so crazy how.

How much, you know, the trajectory of the first film had to do with his death and just kind of the hysteria, but also kind of the cult aspect of that.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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They're not even waiting two years, and we got a cash grab going on, and it's.

Seth

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Why it sounds like Harvey Weinstein.

Kyle

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Yeah, it sounds like Tarantino.

Drew

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So that was.

So we're thinking then that this was, like, 100%, a four sequel cash grab, and not like the movie was made in this way, because they were attempting to pay respect to the first one, because I read a little bit about that where they asked the fans, what should we do? And they try to do justice with the first one, and then it seems like the second one was like, let's do it.

Almost seems like it was a reboot before reboots were a thing.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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Yeah. And I think it's weird. I agree. And I read that this is, like, the early days of message boards.

And they were, like, going to crow message boards and asking the fans. And they literally somehow drifted back towards basically the same. And they got a crow that they try. You can tell with the hair.

It's almost like they were trying to remake Brandon Lee again.

Seth

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Right?

Drew

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Absolutely.

Kyle

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Yeah. I mean, the makeup was worse.

Seth

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Yeah.

Drew

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Oh, that makeup scene was so cringey when I was like, she's. I was like, she's not like, she's. She's got a busy schedule. She's got some more tattoos on her. She's not putting a lot of time in.

Seth

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When he took his shirt off, my immediate thought was, is she about to fuck a dead guy?

Kyle

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I know. And he's kind of a father figure. Like the original one. Because if he's, like, a metaphor for the original, like Draven.

Draven was almost like this caretaker type.

Drew

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Like, she was into him, though.

Kyle

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Yeah. They did not do Sarah justice. No, Sarah's not. Sarah's nothing. I wrote that on my notes. Sarah is nothing.

Like I would have imagined her growing up eight years later. She would be more well rounded, more street savvy. I just don't. I just don't. This is not Sarah grown up to me.

Seth

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No, not at all.

Drew

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So much so where I was, we were. I mean, she's. We were not sure if she was the same Sarah.

Maybe it was just a coincidence that another person finding a dead body risen, resurrected by.

Seth

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Like I said, had no idea.

Drew

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Honestly, I want to see one of these movies. Or maybe. Maybe they do a reboot of the whole series, but from the perspective of the crow.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Drew

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It's the same crow that keeps coming back and helping people.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Drew

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That crow's seen some shit.

Kyle

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Yeah, seen some stuff. Was he back in the 14 hundreds? And, you know, he's, like, resurrecting knights.

Seth

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He's just an immortal crow.

Drew

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And, like. And there's, like. There's like a. I don't know.

Since the crow doesn't talk, I don't know if dialogue's the right word, but there's some interaction between ash and the crow. The crow always seems so annoyed, which I don't blame him. Like, I was annoyed on the crow's bath.

Seth

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I was like, when he's suiting up, the way it kept cutting back to the crow just looked like the crow was so hype. Just like, what the fuck, man? Look at this guy.

Drew

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What?

Kyle

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Yeah, dude, I know. That's actually a really good idea from the bird's point of view, I think I just.

Drew

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I'm assuming it's the same crow. That crow is seeing a lot of weird stuff.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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Yeah, that's hilarious. I love that idea.

Seth

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Now, granted, I have to say, I could see bits of the script that I was like, oh, he actually put some work into writing this thing, and it was just ruined by the director.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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Because here's my thing. If I watch a movie and one actor is over acting, I blame that actor.

If every single actor in the entire movie is overacting, that is 100% the director's fault. And, my God, was this bad.

Kyle

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Yeah. It feels like no one's in the same movie.

Seth

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No, no.

Drew

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It seems like none of them could care at all about. There was no.

I mean, so, like, in the first one, it seemed like we talked about this, where we said, like, they all seemed like they were having a good time, all these villains. Like, yeah, they were one dimensional, but, like, each actor playing the villain was like, this is my.

Kyle

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They're finding their space.

Drew

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We're gonna have fun and that I'm gonna be the knife guy. You know? Like, they were having fun with it. And, like, I swear, all.

Every character, the good guys, the bad guys, they all looked like they were just ready for their shift to be done. They were.

So right from the beginning, I was really hoping, because in this movie, I did not enjoy it, but there kept being parts where I was like, oh, maybe this will turn into a good movie. And so the three parts where, like, I thought Sarah right away began, I was like, she's gonna become the crow, and that's gonna be awesome.

But that didn't happen. And then there was one scene where Ash almost was interesting because he was like, he's like. He's like, wait a minute. What if I don't want to die?

I was like, oh, my gosh.

That's the movie where, like, he has these crow powers, and then he's torn between vengeance, which is his calling, and carnal, but, like, he doesn't want to go back to being dead. It's like, how's he figured out how to stay alive as the crow? And then I did. I did think it was really cool.

And I'm coming up with all these great crow fan fiction movies here.

Seth

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I support.

Drew

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I really. So I did get cheesy and ridiculous, but when the main villain was it Noah was the main villain? Was he the main.

Kyle

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Jonah.

Drew

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Jonah.

Kyle

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Yeah, Jonah. Earl, which should have been a redneck with the flannel in Copenhagen. You hear his name before you see him.

I was thinking, oh, this guy's gonna be a hillbilly.

Seth

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Yeah. No, sexy black dude.

Drew

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He's the first black Jonah I think I've ever. He was raised by white gangsters. We already know, like, he was adopted or something. But, like, when he got the crow powers, when he, like.

And that was still goes to, like, someone knew that this something had happened. So it, like, think it connected a little to the first one. Like, oh, this happened two years ago. What should we do?

Kyle

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Yeah.

Drew

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And, like, I think they should have gotten him crow powers earlier and should have made that bigger and then maybe not ended in so weird, but, like, 100% agree. Yeah, that was interesting to me when.

Seth

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That'S where I keep saying, like, the script, I feel like, was probably decent when it landed in front of the director. And I have a very strong feeling the director made a lot of changes before they even got to shooting.

And then once they hit editing, it got even worse.

Kyle

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Yeah. I actually have a rando for it, but the Weinsteins.

Seth

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Oh, okay.

Kyle

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Took to it. Yeah.

Seth

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Cause knowing what he tried to do to Lord of the Rings, I can only imagine what he did to this. So we'll get there.

Drew

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We need a Snyder cut of crow. City of Angels.

Kyle

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Yeah. If it tells you anything, like, if you want to buy the Blu ray of this, it's like a $100. Cause they never even felt the impetus to do another run.

So you gotta go get them on eBay. They're actually, like, a collectible. Even though it's a really bad, like, they don't make them.

Seth

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I mean, it's so bad, it's funny.

Drew

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The extended version of it.

Kyle

00:14:20.986 - 00:14:27.670

No, it's not there. Yeah. They actually do talk about it. It's not. It's not available. And there's no. No one has a desire. No.

Drew

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When you. When you watch the movie, that's very believable. Nobody there looked like they were like, oh, look at me. I'm in a movie. They're like, not at all.

Seth

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Oh, my God.

Kyle

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The final note I had is, it's never good when a serious effort looks like a satire of itself.

Seth

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Yes.

Kyle

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It literally looks like it's a movie. That's. That's being. It's satirizing the first one. It's like a naked gun version movie.

Seth

00:14:49.198 - 00:14:52.198

The Crow scary movie movie, too.

Kyle

00:14:52.254 - 00:14:58.702

Yeah. It's just like, oh, they meant that. Yeah, that's real. He's in a tunica yeah. Yeah.

Seth

00:14:58.806 - 00:15:00.310

Oh, that's serious.

Kyle

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Yeah. There's so much we. There's. Oh, my God. I know. We got to get. Get on. But there's so much about Jonah that I just. Why? First of all, what is the thing?

He kills the crow on the sphere thing? It's like, who has one of those, like, this. This guy was a drug dealer. He worked his way up to be the crime boss. He wears a tunica.

He's got a blind oracle with a hood that looks like resident evil three.

Drew

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Absolutely.

Seth

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I think the actress was just so embarrassed. She was like, please don't show the top half of my face.

Kyle

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I will never get another job again. And then even when you heard her.

Drew

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Backstory, you're like, that's an interesting movie. Yeah, let's have a movie on her.

Kyle

00:15:41.290 - 00:15:55.122

Yeah. Everything is more interesting than the crow. You know, it's like. Yeah. And I'm just like, where did you get one of those things?

It's like, why are you, like, somehow, like, you're like, he's mystical. Like, yeah, why is he mystical?

Drew

00:15:55.226 - 00:16:07.410

And really, there wasn't. We didn't. There wasn't much about him up until, like, we saw him and he showed, like, there was more about the. The second lead henchman, I guess.

I think that might be the one played by Iggy Bob.

Kyle

00:16:07.450 - 00:16:08.030

Yeah.

Drew

00:16:08.450 - 00:16:33.394

Like, his death and, like, the. The ash's attempt of monologue. And, like. Because I was like, I feel. I looked at, like, the times.

I was like, I feel like we're not the end of the movie. I feel like I was like, what if this is the end? That was the main guy. He had to kill and. But, like, you didn't.

Unless I might be wrong, but you didn't see Jonah anywhere in the actual. He was the guy behind the guys.

Seth

00:16:33.522 - 00:16:34.946

Yeah. I mean, they.

Drew

00:16:35.018 - 00:16:37.882

Up until they brought him up, I was like, who's this guy?

Seth

00:16:37.986 - 00:17:03.330

They clearly were trying to recreate the. The mystery that they had with the first one of. Oh, you think this guy is the final boss? Oh, no. Then you realize that there is really a bigger boss.

This just, like, they introduced him too early to make that happen, but then on top of that, didn't give us any information to give a shit as to why he's in charge of all of this. And then there was just this random, like, oh, by the way, he's kind of magic, too.

Kyle

00:17:03.410 - 00:17:03.818

Yeah. Yeah.

Drew

00:17:03.834 - 00:17:05.562

He also knows how to steal the crow powers.

Seth

00:17:05.626 - 00:17:06.230

Yeah.

Drew

00:17:06.570 - 00:17:22.540

Which maybe they could have given us one more scene earlier in the movie where we learn why he knows this about. So when he hears about the crazy resurrected guy killing, we know why he knows all this stuff.

Maybe he was a buddy drinking buddy with the villain from the first movie.

Kyle

00:17:22.580 - 00:17:24.300

Yeah. With top dollar. Yeah.

Drew

00:17:24.420 - 00:17:26.180

Oh, crap. Top dollar in his age.

Kyle

00:17:26.220 - 00:17:32.756

He's like, I got some advice for you. If you ever run into a crow, first eat an eyeball. You gotta start with an eyeball.

Seth

00:17:32.828 - 00:17:33.756

Gotcha.

Kyle

00:17:33.948 - 00:17:40.036

And then you gotta do your sister. Oh, what a movie this is.

Seth

00:17:40.108 - 00:17:41.004

Oh, my God.

Kyle

00:17:41.132 - 00:17:50.952

As a reminder, if you really love the city of angels, make sure you share this with your grandma, your friends. I know you got a city of angels fan out there in your life. Hit that sin button.

Drew

00:17:51.016 - 00:17:53.392

Could you please tell us why you love this movie?

Seth

00:17:53.456 - 00:17:54.288

I would love to know.

Drew

00:17:54.344 - 00:18:05.592

Cause I do. I wanna hear a perspective. Maybe they're out there. I'm gonna YouTube it. I'm like, people who are biggest fans of City of angels.

And, like, there's gotta be one guy who's like, let me tell you why. This is the best movie in the franchise.

Kyle

00:18:05.656 - 00:18:06.208

Yeah.

Seth

00:18:06.344 - 00:18:13.000

I'm gonna go on the crow subreddit and just be like, people who love this movie, please defend it, because what the fuck?

Drew

00:18:13.080 - 00:18:19.054

I think I would rather you go and be like, I love City of Angels. It's the best movie ever. Watch that.

Seth

00:18:19.102 - 00:18:20.382

You tell me why.

Kyle

00:18:20.526 - 00:18:33.610

I think it's retroactive, actually.

I think what happened was they probably shat on it when it came out, and then they saw the next one and the next one, and they were like, maybe it wasn't that bad. It was okay. Cause it gets worse.

Drew

00:18:33.950 - 00:18:38.558

I haven't seen the fourth yet, but I've heard that's the one. People are like, I think it has.

Kyle

00:18:38.574 - 00:18:40.206

A 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

Seth

00:18:40.278 - 00:18:40.862

Holy shit.

Kyle

00:18:40.886 - 00:18:46.826

He's got Dennis Hopper. Edward Furlong. What's the girl from american pie? Tara Reid.

Drew

00:18:46.998 - 00:18:48.242

I forgot about her.

Seth

00:18:48.306 - 00:18:50.218

Yeah, everyone did. Don't worry about it.

Drew

00:18:50.274 - 00:18:57.330

Well, I mean, I'm also, like, in my brain. I'm not lining up the timeframes. It's like her in american pie days in this movie. Yeah. So that's.

Seth

00:18:57.370 - 00:19:01.110

I mean, the fourth one came out, what, 2005? 2006?

Drew

00:19:01.490 - 00:19:02.370

That would make sense.

Seth

00:19:02.450 - 00:19:10.146

So, yeah, it was like, right after the second american pie had come out. So obviously her career was already on a downward trend.

Kyle

00:19:10.338 - 00:19:14.098

Can you do something besides take your clothes off? Was there? I'll try.

Drew

00:19:14.154 - 00:19:17.120

They're like, well, we have a perfect move. You know, everyone loves the crow.

Kyle

00:19:17.160 - 00:19:19.900

Do you remember Dennis Hopper? He was a great actor. Not anymore.

Seth

00:19:20.360 - 00:19:22.008

We ruined that for you.

Kyle

00:19:22.104 - 00:19:30.792

We basically took out a loan and we're helping them pay off that loan, so. All right. Oh, actually, not randos. We're gonna do the. We're gonna do the interview questions. All right.

Seth

00:19:30.816 - 00:19:31.264

Okay.

Kyle

00:19:31.352 - 00:19:46.496

Seriously, did Sarah just have a crow making factory up there? The moment a dead guy showed up, she's like, I know what to do. She's got the makeup. She got the paint, she's got the clothes.

Did you think about that when he's put the sweater in the trench coat? Or. He didn't have the coat yet.

Drew

00:19:46.648 - 00:19:47.980

She had all the gear.

Kyle

00:19:48.400 - 00:19:50.960

Yeah, you had the black leathers.

Drew

00:19:51.080 - 00:19:58.568

And you gotta figure, if she's been trying to find the next crow, she has, like, multiple sizes. Cause who's to say? Yeah, you know?

Kyle

00:19:58.624 - 00:20:00.104

She's like, God, I hope this fits.

Seth

00:20:00.232 - 00:20:06.152

She's got the small to xl, and then if you got two x, then. I'm sorry, dude. You should have lost some weight before you got murdered.

Drew

00:20:06.216 - 00:20:08.504

Yeah, she's putting in some major tattooing hours.

Kyle

00:20:08.552 - 00:20:23.990

Got a little bloating down there in the water, mister medium. Also, everyone in the city is struggling, right? It's a crime ridden city. Poor children are in the streets.

But she's a tattoo artist, and she's got sexy scarves hanging around her bed.

Drew

00:20:24.030 - 00:20:24.678

What is.

Kyle

00:20:24.814 - 00:20:26.686

What's going on with there? What happened?

Seth

00:20:26.758 - 00:20:28.678

Tattoo artist makes some serious bank.

Drew

00:20:28.734 - 00:20:34.974

Okay. And that's, like, a real, like. Like a cyberpunk vibe. Like, everyone wants tattoo. Tattoos are like. That's a good.

Seth

00:20:35.062 - 00:20:35.454

Oh, yeah.

Drew

00:20:35.502 - 00:20:42.008

That's, like, a respectable job in this city. Is this. Is this supposed to be, like, a dystopian laden. Is that. Cause the city of Angela?

Kyle

00:20:42.024 - 00:20:45.440

The first one was, like, dystopian Detroit, and this is dystopian La.

Drew

00:20:45.520 - 00:20:48.272

So it's not the same city every time.

Kyle

00:20:48.296 - 00:20:51.496

It's not. Well, they don't ever make it clearly moved.

Drew

00:20:51.528 - 00:20:54.620

But she needed to find a place comfortable, so she moved to a similar.

Kyle

00:20:54.920 - 00:20:55.328

Right.

Drew

00:20:55.384 - 00:21:02.256

Like, it'd either be, like, the wen from Crow one, dystopian La, Gotham, or Detroit. Like, those are her options.

Kyle

00:21:02.328 - 00:21:03.040

Yeah, basically.

Seth

00:21:03.120 - 00:21:07.808

Yeah. And she didn't want to hang out with Batman, so I need someplace where.

Drew

00:21:07.824 - 00:21:09.780

My seasonal depression feels normal.

Kyle

00:21:10.360 - 00:21:13.588

Yeah. There's no Palm beach, you know, like, you know, resort.

Drew

00:21:13.684 - 00:21:37.964

See, that's. It's interesting to me that, like, they don't keep it in the same place. Cause one of the things we're talking about in the first one was such a.

It was so fun about the scenery, the fun, the, like, the vibe of the place and all the set design and everything like that. Like, it. It would be interesting if, as these movies kept going on, you saw, like, the state of this made up city.

But it's like, now I'm realizing it's different places, and I'm like, that's.

Kyle

00:21:38.092 - 00:21:43.412

Well, and I understand. And where it really throws you off, where, like, there's this day of the dead motif.

Seth

00:21:43.476 - 00:21:43.796

Yeah.

Kyle

00:21:43.868 - 00:21:46.180

You know? Wait, are we in Mexico City?

Drew

00:21:46.600 - 00:21:48.500

Yeah. No one's speaking New Orleans?

Seth

00:21:49.320 - 00:21:52.024

No, it's LA. It's basically Mexico.

Kyle

00:21:52.072 - 00:21:56.904

Yeah. Wait a second. And actually, I actually thought the day of the dead motif was kind of cool.

Drew

00:21:56.952 - 00:22:03.112

I liked that. Yeah. Yeah, that was right when we started going through that parade was when I was like, oh, this movie might actually have potential.

Seth

00:22:03.176 - 00:22:03.560

Yeah.

Drew

00:22:03.640 - 00:22:05.032

You might have my attention again.

Kyle

00:22:05.096 - 00:22:06.200

Then. Part I liked.

Seth

00:22:06.280 - 00:22:13.850

That's where I'm like, I feel like the script was solid. Like, they started with some decent stuff, and then it just devolved into whatever this was.

Kyle

00:22:13.960 - 00:22:24.290

Even though if you really zoom in on the people partying and dancing, they look like they're acting. They don't look like they're, like, at a rave. Like, you tell one guy was like, whoa. It was like, you're not high.

Seth

00:22:24.630 - 00:22:30.038

It's like, you tell everyone to dance, but you don't have any music, so everyone's got a different beat going on in their head.

Kyle

00:22:30.094 - 00:22:30.918

No one told me I was gonna.

Drew

00:22:30.934 - 00:22:41.294

Have to do this. Also, like, her friend who eventually died, like, the old guy that. Was he a tattoo customer or was he. I think it was just a. Oh.

Seth

00:22:41.302 - 00:22:42.334

The tattoo shop owner.

Drew

00:22:42.422 - 00:22:43.198

Oh, he's the owner.

Seth

00:22:43.254 - 00:22:43.660

Yeah.

Drew

00:22:43.750 - 00:22:47.440

Creepy vibe. Like their tattoo hr department.

Kyle

00:22:47.520 - 00:22:48.140

Really?

Seth

00:22:49.040 - 00:22:52.288

Yeah, like a daughter to me. But I'd fuck you, too.

Drew

00:22:52.384 - 00:23:04.016

I was like, that is you, you. Yeah. But, hey, maybe in that city. But you know what? At that point, she's, like, used to it. She's lived there for a while. She's like, look, good.

Help's hard to find. He's, you know, he at least gives me a paycheck. I don't know.

Seth

00:23:04.088 - 00:23:05.216

Everybody's horny.

Kyle

00:23:05.328 - 00:23:06.152

Everybody.

Drew

00:23:06.296 - 00:23:12.020

I need the money to pay for my crow attire for the dead guys I'm picking up on the street.

Seth

00:23:12.480 - 00:23:16.280

I'm missing an xl from the last guy.

Kyle

00:23:17.580 - 00:23:39.760

Next question. At what stage of the. The villain life cycle do you get to just wear a tunic around? They tell you, you hear his name, they drop his name.

I think Sarah is the one that drops his name. And what's funny is you don't even know it's the Sarah yet, because you're like, wait, is this the Sarah?

And they say, jonah, Earl, I'm like, this guy's got Copenhagen and a flannel. There's no doubt. This guy's got a double barrel shotgun and a spit tune.

Drew

00:23:40.980 - 00:23:42.330

The confederate flag.

Kyle

00:23:42.420 - 00:23:51.478

You're like, what is that? Like, the tunic. He's jacked. He's, like, beautiful. He's like. I'll say it. He's a beautiful man. Absolutely. He's got the damn tunic on.

It's like, what is this?

Seth

00:23:51.534 - 00:23:53.814

He looked like he came straight out of the mummy movie.

Drew

00:23:53.862 - 00:23:58.446

Like, he can pull a tunic off because he looks like that.

Kyle

00:23:58.518 - 00:23:59.190

Yeah.

Drew

00:23:59.350 - 00:24:15.394

Like, if I showed up as, like, the final boss in a tunic, they'd be like, put some clothes on. This is embarrassing for both of us. Like. Like, ash would be like, I am not gonna kill you in the horrible way.

Horrible way I've planned until you put a sweatshirt on in both of us. Uncomfortable.

Seth

00:24:15.442 - 00:24:18.790

Like, I was gonna kill you, but now I just feel kind of bad for you, bro.

Kyle

00:24:19.090 - 00:24:19.706

Yeah.

Seth

00:24:19.818 - 00:24:22.190

So we need to get the what not to wear people in here.

Kyle

00:24:22.770 - 00:24:32.282

I just can't imagine, like, when you start, like, you start entry level, you're dealing, like, crack or whatever on the streets and, like, where along the line you just envisioning the tunic once you.

Drew

00:24:32.306 - 00:24:34.258

Move on to action warlord, and then.

Kyle

00:24:34.354 - 00:24:39.834

Give me the stone orb so I can sacrifice a soul carrying crow.

Seth

00:24:39.922 - 00:24:40.194

Yeah.

Drew

00:24:40.242 - 00:24:45.228

You know, I bet you bought him at the same place, though. I bet you like the tunic. Came with the tunics.

Seth

00:24:45.284 - 00:24:45.900

Rs.

Kyle

00:24:46.020 - 00:24:47.720

Is this what I think it is?

Drew

00:24:48.020 - 00:24:59.880

They're like, you can't use this to sacrifice a crow unless you're wearing this. It's like, I want to be a great archaic wizard, but I want to look the part, too. I'm a villain, not a monster.

Kyle

00:25:00.340 - 00:25:07.600

It's true. I love the idea of him going to the villain store and. Is that the stone orb? I thought you were out of those.

Drew

00:25:07.940 - 00:25:13.986

He's lived in this dystopia in LA for so long. He's like, everyone dresses the same. It's only a green color scheme.

Seth

00:25:14.108 - 00:25:16.734

Let's be real, though. LA is the only city you could get away with.

Kyle

00:25:16.782 - 00:25:31.662

Yeah, it's all about branding. I used to do. I used to have a bit about. And it's funny. I actually got the worst heckle I've ever gotten in my comedy career. We had.

I don't know if you were back at Nashville yet, but we had the waffle house killer. Oh, that killed all those people.

Drew

00:25:31.846 - 00:25:36.530

I miss that. And I would have totally been a target there. I would have been like, yeah, I would.

Kyle

00:25:37.230 - 00:25:43.086

And it was at Antioch, if you're not in, and if you're not in Nashville, you know, Antioch's like our kind of our crime ridden area.

Drew

00:25:43.158 - 00:25:54.930

I lived there for three years. I got all three of my roommates. We got robbed at the same Burger King at different times. We didn't realize it.

And then, like, one of us shared a story, and they're like, oh, I have a story. And then we realize it's all the same place. And I was like, we should stop going there.

Kyle

00:25:54.970 - 00:26:16.538

You're like, this isn't a lounge. You said this was a lounge. A BK lounge.

So anyway, so I had this bit about how, like, you need to, like, if you want to be a serial killer or kill people, you need to, like, do it in a good place. So your branding is good, because if you do it at Waffle House, you're the Waffle house killer. You're a redneck or you can't speak.

You don't have a great iq. So, like, Nordstrom Rat killer.

Drew

00:26:16.594 - 00:26:17.334

There you go.

Seth

00:26:17.482 - 00:26:18.214

Respectfully.

Kyle

00:26:18.302 - 00:26:22.850

So that's where you gotta aim. And then I had a woman in the crowd go, my friend got killed there.

Drew

00:26:23.470 - 00:26:24.126

Oh, my God.

Seth

00:26:24.158 - 00:26:24.830

Oh, no.

Kyle

00:26:24.950 - 00:26:34.094

And I was a guest. I was a guest host. And, like, usually I would have, like, I had all these ideas.

Like, I was like, oh, but I'm not gonna get kicked out of my friends, Mike. And so I was like, oh, okay.

Seth

00:26:34.222 - 00:26:40.430

That's always the worst feeling when you're guest hosting, is realizing you might be the reason your friends mic goes, right?

Kyle

00:26:40.470 - 00:26:49.594

Yes. Yeah. And you guys know if I said the name of the person who was, you would know why I didn't do it. I was like, I can't ruin this. I can't ruin this.

Drew

00:26:49.742 - 00:26:50.682

That's funny.

Kyle

00:26:50.826 - 00:26:54.018

So anyway, it's all about branding for Jonah Earl.

Drew

00:26:54.154 - 00:26:55.298

I think he's doing a good job.

Kyle

00:26:55.354 - 00:26:55.794

He is.

Drew

00:26:55.882 - 00:27:11.122

He's memorable for a man named Jonah Earl. He is like, he's gone from rags to a tuna.

I was gonna say rags to riches, but, like, maybe he's saving money on the clothing he needed to buy the pay for the oracle lady. She's probably high on the payroll.

Kyle

00:27:11.186 - 00:27:22.878

I still think top dollar snorting eyeball smoke is better. He's just trying. He's still somehow not even in that strategy. Until you snort the smoke of an organ out of someone you killed. You're nowhere, man.

Drew

00:27:22.974 - 00:27:28.998

No, that. Yeah, I was like, that seems a bit much. Settle down.

Seth

00:27:29.094 - 00:28:00.622

Yeah, it's so unfortunate. Like, when a movie, you can see the glimpses, but it's all so bad.

Cause, like, throughout the whole thing, I kept seeing that the DP and the pyro guy knew exactly, exactly what they were doing. The DP literally was like, I don't care how bad this is turning out, I'm gonna put in the work.

I'm gonna make this look as good as it can, no matter how bad this director makes it. And I gotta say, he delivered, like, everything looked fantastic. I had no complaints with any of the camera work whatsoever.

Kyle

00:28:00.726 - 00:28:03.062

The camera work was actually, I thought, spectacular.

Seth

00:28:03.126 - 00:28:03.614

Absolutely.

Kyle

00:28:03.662 - 00:28:09.246

What was happening in front of the camera, not good. But the framing was creative, the movement.

Drew

00:28:09.438 - 00:28:15.078

So much with the camera. They were probably like, I wish I could. At some point, they're like, I should just get out there and do the acting for this.

Kyle

00:28:15.094 - 00:28:20.318

He was. Someday I'll film Daniel Day Lewis, but right now I have Ben to Perez.

Drew

00:28:20.374 - 00:28:20.638

Yeah.

Kyle

00:28:20.694 - 00:28:22.062

I don't even know what he's saying.

Seth

00:28:22.246 - 00:28:24.310

I don't even think he wants to be here.

Kyle

00:28:24.810 - 00:28:44.522

And the haze. I love. I did love the haziness. We do have a category for this, but I did love.

I did like the first one better because it felt more like a place that exists. Like, I was like, that place exists somewhere. This felt more ethereal, really fictional. Yeah.

But I did love that everything kind of had smog and you couldn't see far in front of you. I did dig that a little bit.

Drew

00:28:44.546 - 00:28:54.300

I thought it was a little cheesy. Like, I thought. I thought I was. I was like, it's like they're pretending to be a bad movie. I was like, they're like, how can we. It's like they were.

They saw what was going on. They're like, well, let's lead in.

Seth

00:28:54.380 - 00:28:58.360

Let's put smog in there and not the dragon.

Kyle

00:28:58.700 - 00:29:02.452

What's a really bad city? Like, you can't see 3ft in front of you, Todd. That's what it is.

Seth

00:29:02.516 - 00:29:04.080

We're going to Shanghai.

Kyle

00:29:04.900 - 00:29:06.600

Get your cigarettes ready.

Seth

00:29:07.060 - 00:29:07.604

Yeah.

Kyle

00:29:07.692 - 00:29:08.572

Randos.

Seth

00:29:08.716 - 00:29:09.604

Here we go.

Kyle

00:29:09.732 - 00:29:12.940

Randos. People are so glad randos are back, by the way.

Drew

00:29:13.020 - 00:29:14.204

I'm so glad, bro.

Kyle

00:29:14.292 - 00:29:15.180

And you put in your.

Drew

00:29:15.300 - 00:29:19.716

I made a new name for, like, I call. That's the Rand bros. Rand bros. Yeah.

Kyle

00:29:19.788 - 00:29:24.340

Yeah. That's amazing. Wars two 2.0110. Couldn't do that shit.

Drew

00:29:25.480 - 00:29:39.300

Drew, if you're listening, Drew 1.0. I I hope we meet. And it's not like a western. Dual type.

Kyle

00:29:44.560 - 00:29:50.750

Movie. Wars host in one room. This is awkward. Aren't you the quarter mile guy?

Drew

00:29:51.690 - 00:29:53.310

And then they all come in.

Seth

00:29:55.890 - 00:29:59.122

Vin Diesel stands behind him. You don't insult my family.

Kyle

00:29:59.306 - 00:30:00.390

We're a family.

Drew

00:30:00.890 - 00:30:07.194

We're not co host. I'm contractually obligated at least once to mention fast and furious.

Seth

00:30:07.282 - 00:30:07.762

Absolutely.

Kyle

00:30:07.786 - 00:30:08.282

You have to.

Seth

00:30:08.346 - 00:30:08.570

Yeah.

Drew

00:30:08.610 - 00:30:09.930

And I feel like we just did so good.

Kyle

00:30:09.970 - 00:31:24.958

Yeah, yeah. You're so good at dropping it in there. All right, Randos. James Obar was going to.

So the author of the original Crow comic was going to write this, and once he started to, you know, join the team and work on the film, he couldn't do it. Seeing someone else at the crow was really hard for him. Him and Brandon became very close friends.

In fact, there's a couple of interviews where Brandon's not clear about it, and there's this one interview in particular where Brandon was in his drab and he was kind of almost method out. He was almost talking like he was draven.

But the way he's talking about Obar, and like I mentioned on the first podcast, Obar had gone through a lot of stuff in his life, and that's what led him to write it. You could tell that they had become friends, and he was kind of joking around about him.

He's like, he's not the kind of guy you want to bring home to your mom. And like, he's like. But he was like, James would want me to say that. He says that.

And you could tell they had a very endearing friendship, and James couldn't do it. And so he. He gave everything, him and David. Sorry, how can I. David S. Goyer. David S. Goye. I almost say Goyle, or, yeah, David S.

Goyer were splitting duties on that, but he ended up saying, you do it all. And for those that don't know, some of you may. As bad as this movie is, David S.

Goyer becomes the person that writes all of Nolan's, Batman's, Terminator, Dark Fate, and some of the modern Superman movies.

Drew

00:31:25.014 - 00:31:28.374

Yeah, this is like the start, the foundation.

Kyle

00:31:28.462 - 00:31:29.126

Rough start.

Drew

00:31:29.238 - 00:31:29.606

Yeah.

Seth

00:31:29.678 - 00:31:31.406

Hey, you gotta start somewhere.

Drew

00:31:31.598 - 00:31:43.558

Can I pose a question from that Brando, please. So I know that there's multiple crow comics. Do these movies follow what, like, was this storyline, what the second comic was?

Kyle

00:31:43.694 - 00:31:59.590

So the first, actually, the first crow was based on a consolidation of four. So there were four comics, I believe, and I'm sorry if I'm getting a number wrong, was the late eighties, early nineties. Please go to Reddit.

Please rip Kyle to shrimp and talk about my mother. She's fair.

Seth

00:31:59.630 - 00:31:59.894

Dad.

Drew

00:31:59.942 - 00:32:01.838

Make a new slur just for Kyle.

Kyle

00:32:01.894 - 00:32:04.890

Yeah, you Castro hole.

Drew

00:32:06.030 - 00:32:11.358

You can do better than that. But that's the bar right now. That's the one to beat Castro Hole.

Kyle

00:32:11.414 - 00:32:13.210

Yeah, that's a very low bar.

Drew

00:32:13.870 - 00:32:14.782

Gotta start somewhere.

Kyle

00:32:14.806 - 00:32:19.158

The fact that I came up with something so bad is insulting. Maybe I deserve. I deserve.

Seth

00:32:19.174 - 00:32:21.662

It's in line with city of angels. So keep going.

Kyle

00:32:21.806 - 00:32:22.342

Yes.

Drew

00:32:22.446 - 00:32:30.038

Castrate yourself. So these other movies, are they related to the actual.

Kyle

00:32:30.094 - 00:32:54.366

A little bit? They, they do. There were other ideas. Obar did continue to write more. So there were other ideas. He wrote.

And he also had offered more ideas throughout the franchise. There was one where there was like a Native American.

One where like the crow was actually like a Native American who died like in pre America and came back during modern times. And so not only is he like alive now to revenge, but he has to get used to modern life.

Seth

00:32:54.478 - 00:32:56.454

Yeah, that could have been so good. Yeah.

Drew

00:32:56.582 - 00:32:57.742

That sounds like a great movie.

Kyle

00:32:57.806 - 00:33:02.454

Yeah. And there's another one where like a pregnant woman dies and she comes back to avenge her.

Drew

00:33:02.622 - 00:33:05.126

Oh no, that's sad. But that would be a good movie.

Kyle

00:33:05.198 - 00:33:06.846

There were all these creative ideas.

Seth

00:33:06.918 - 00:33:15.142

I was really hoping you were gonna say the baby came back as a baby, but like with a gun played by Alec Baldwin.

Drew

00:33:15.206 - 00:33:30.288

If the crow character was like, when she came back, she was still pregnant and still dealing with like pregnancy stuff, but with the crow humor. She's like talking about cravings or talking about her cramps and like, I'm just.

Kyle

00:33:30.304 - 00:33:33.460

Saying my sciatica's acting up. I can't do this right now.

Drew

00:33:33.800 - 00:33:36.200

Yeah, my psychiatric, like, she just becomes.

Seth

00:33:36.240 - 00:33:37.984

Where's the pickles and mustard?

Drew

00:33:38.152 - 00:33:46.398

She's dealing with the psychoticness of the, you know, I imagine it's a lot to be from the dead and not pregnant, but then also, like pregnant stuff.

Kyle

00:33:46.454 - 00:33:47.650

And in these heels.

Drew

00:33:49.350 - 00:33:54.310

That would have been a good crow too, if Sarah was the pregnant lady that died.

Kyle

00:33:54.470 - 00:34:02.550

And that's the thing. Yeah, and that's the thing. And there was one where Sarah dies and she comes back.

There was another one where top dollar was supposed to be resurrected.

Drew

00:34:02.590 - 00:34:04.470

So to kill all of.

Kyle

00:34:04.550 - 00:34:08.382

And they were gonna be resurrected by a bad crow. And so. And you see it in this movie.

Drew

00:34:08.406 - 00:34:09.158

I love that. Yeah.

Kyle

00:34:09.214 - 00:34:46.356

Yeah. There were all these better ideas. Literally. Even the worst one I just mentioned is still better.

And they went to the message board and asked a bunch of questions. Yeah, we should do that. And then he's ended up like basically doing a cut and paste with worst actors. And it's pretty amazing, but yeah.

And throughout the entire franchise, Barr did continue to produce more comics and ideas and a lot of them were interesting. So. But they weren't interested in it. They had a formula. They knew what worked, they knew what people wanted.

And, and honestly, we'll get to this in three. But that's what led to the third one, going straight to vhs, was that it originally was supposed to have a theater release. But the.

Seth

00:34:46.388 - 00:34:47.444

I was gonna ask actually.

Kyle

00:34:47.492 - 00:34:47.796

Yeah.

Seth

00:34:47.868 - 00:34:48.244

Okay.

Kyle

00:34:48.292 - 00:34:56.324

The performance of this movie was not only it. Well, actually, it didn't. It's not that it didn't, it wasn't profitable. It was actually, at the time, the biggest Labor Day release of all time.

Seth

00:34:56.372 - 00:34:56.788

Oh, wow.

Kyle

00:34:56.844 - 00:35:17.980

At the time. But fans were so disappointed. Critics hated it so much. It was so pan. This is before the Internet was, was predominant.

So, like, we're talking newspaper critics and you're shitting all over. And. Yes, and the fan sentiment was so bad that they're like, we can't, we're not gonna fund this to go to theater.

So that's why the third one, salvation, ended up being straight to Vrdev.

Seth

00:35:18.130 - 00:35:21.080

I'm going to save my thoughts on the third one. I have so many thoughts.

Kyle

00:35:21.120 - 00:35:37.340

I have a lot of thoughts. Anyway, it's super interesting. Once I saw Goyer's name on this, I was like, holy smokes. This is where he got his start. Like, that's wild.

Obviously, no one Batman's are okay. Yeah, I liked him pretty damn good.

Seth

00:35:37.680 - 00:35:45.832

Which I will say, he wrote the script for the first one and then worked with Nolan. Both the Nolan's on the story for the second two.

Kyle

00:35:45.896 - 00:35:46.312

Right.

Seth

00:35:46.416 - 00:35:48.232

So, yeah, he was like, what if.

Drew

00:35:48.256 - 00:35:52.740

We brought in more crows and men in Tunis? And they're like, you're just gonna work with us?

Kyle

00:35:53.760 - 00:36:01.344

Yeah, like they didn't know he wrote City of angels. And like, the first one comes out and they, they bring him to them. Like, listen, Batman begins was good, but we found out what you did.

Drew

00:36:01.392 - 00:36:03.512

Yeah, we need to take you off.

Kyle

00:36:03.616 - 00:36:07.580

We saw Vincent Perez. Dude, get the fuck outta here. We'll put your name on it. But you're.

Drew

00:36:08.120 - 00:36:17.792

I bet you. Cause it seems like he's a guy that knows how to do things. When you look at his whole line of work there, I bet you winda City of angels came out.

He was like telling his friends, like, please don't.

Kyle

00:36:17.856 - 00:36:24.960

Yeah, don't go. We're like, it's like us telling friends not to come to an open mic. Everyone's high. Yeah, there's the crowds high.

Seth

00:36:25.000 - 00:36:28.740

No, no, something come to this other one, but not the mic.

Drew

00:36:29.080 - 00:36:30.464

Please wash it when you're high.

Seth

00:36:30.512 - 00:36:33.944

Yeah. Obliterated. So you don't remember.

Kyle

00:36:33.992 - 00:36:36.140

Don't bring mom. Please, God, don't bring mom.

Seth

00:36:36.440 - 00:36:37.856

Unless you hate her. Then bring her.

Kyle

00:36:37.888 - 00:36:38.392

Then bring her.

Seth

00:36:38.416 - 00:36:39.020

Yeah.

Kyle

00:36:39.320 - 00:36:40.128

So anyway.

Drew

00:36:40.224 - 00:36:40.712

Oh, I'm sorry.

Kyle

00:36:40.736 - 00:36:41.928

No, but no, no, I was like.

Drew

00:36:41.944 - 00:36:46.176

Or the opposite. He's like, the one person in America that's like, this was freaking genius.

Seth

00:36:46.208 - 00:36:47.220

This is the best thing.

Kyle

00:36:48.160 - 00:36:49.960

I basically have established myself.

Seth

00:36:50.040 - 00:36:52.700

Yeah, this is my 2001. Okay.

Kyle

00:36:53.160 - 00:37:02.280

Oh, man. So next, Rando. The weight of replacing Lee weighted heavy. We alluded to this earlier with. How did they land on Vincent Perez?

They auditioned 300 people.

Drew

00:37:02.400 - 00:37:02.888

Wow.

Kyle

00:37:02.984 - 00:37:07.496

Until Vincent Perez was. Was hired. You know who the leading was?

Seth

00:37:07.568 - 00:37:07.968

Who?

Kyle

00:37:08.064 - 00:37:09.060

Bon Jovi.

Drew

00:37:09.370 - 00:37:10.990

That would have been awesome.

Kyle

00:37:11.290 - 00:37:30.898

Jon Bon Jovi was the. The lead to. He was the number one choice. Now it's really interesting. It makes sense in one way. Bon Jovi did do some movies.

Like, the first movie I ever saw him was that really shitty romance movie moonlight and Valentino. You ever seen? I watched that with my mom. She was drunk. Yeah, yeah. And I was sad.

Drew

00:37:30.994 - 00:37:32.554

And you were wishing you were drunk.

Kyle

00:37:32.722 - 00:38:12.382

I was getting Virginia slim secondhand smoking my hair. Like, man, Bonjovi has beautiful hair, you know, and. But it makes sense.

And they have this obsession with Iggy Pop because James Barr in the comics, like, all the body. Like, the reason he is jacked. And I agree with your sentiment on why Lee looks so jacked coming out of the grave, but Iggy Pop was the frame.

Like, he was like, who inspired him? So Iggy Pop is very jacked. You see him old in this movie. Very jacked. That was his thing. Shirtless, really muscular, really athletic.

And so he was the inspiration for a lot of the bodies in the comics. And this and the first two crow movies are directed by Alex Proyas and Tim Pope, our music video directors. That's where they got their start.

Seth

00:38:12.446 - 00:38:13.166

Yeah, I noticed that.

Drew

00:38:13.198 - 00:38:18.450

It always sounds like it's like the start of a really. Like, there's gonna be an eighties electric guitar at any point.

Kyle

00:38:18.950 - 00:38:27.270

Yeah. And the movies intentionally look like music videos. That's why the soundtracks are always really important.

And even though this one's not as good, it is a bright point. The soundtrack was still fun.

Seth

00:38:27.390 - 00:38:38.258

It was all right. Yeah, it's one of those things. I'm shocked with how many David Bowie videos. What's his name, Tim Pope had done.

I'm shocked they didn't try to get David Bowie in, especially after labyrinth.

Kyle

00:38:38.354 - 00:38:53.110

Did he do I'm afraid of Americans? That music video with Trent Reznor and David Bowie. I'm afraid of Americans? I love that song. I'm afraid I can't help it. I'm afraid I can turn on it.

Sorry.

Drew

00:38:54.290 - 00:38:56.858

Comment below with your favorite David Bowie song.

Kyle

00:38:56.914 - 00:39:14.752

Yeah. And your favorite American that you're afraid of probably works at some gas station.

All right, I already kind of hinted on this, but originally, top dollar and Grange. We're gonna be resurrected by a bad crow, which I think would have added such an interesting thing.

Now we have good crows, and we obviously learned at the end there are thousands of crows out there.

Drew

00:39:14.816 - 00:39:15.440

What are they doing?

Kyle

00:39:15.480 - 00:39:16.384

Just doing shit.

Drew

00:39:16.472 - 00:39:16.952

Yeah.

Seth

00:39:17.056 - 00:39:17.976

Flying through people.

Kyle

00:39:18.048 - 00:39:29.048

It's like, hey, I don't have a soul right now. If you want me to kill Jonah, I can fly at him. I don't have a guy, but they're like a sign, like once or something.

Like, sorry, I got two crows this week. I got two resurrections this week. I can't.

Drew

00:39:29.184 - 00:39:31.422

It's my night off. But Betty.

Kyle

00:39:31.606 - 00:39:41.022

I know Betty. Her guy didn't show up. He actually didn't resurrect. So she can fly into Jonah and create bad CGI. So ask Betty and her, but her pals.

Seth

00:39:41.086 - 00:39:58.170

Someone needs to do an animated series that is not just from the perspective of a crow, but all the crows, as if they have, like, a gigantic office, and there's, like, they have the boss crow who's giving them, like, pep talks before they all go to their resurrectors. Yeah. An it department.

Drew

00:39:58.870 - 00:40:00.770

Bunch of regular murderers.

Seth

00:40:02.050 - 00:40:02.634

Oh, my gosh.

Drew

00:40:02.682 - 00:40:06.130

Ed does the same joke every week, and we have to laugh at it.

Kyle

00:40:06.250 - 00:40:11.282

It kind of goes back to your idea, though, like, from the perspective of the crow. There's, like, a break room. They're all smoking. Like, God.

Seth

00:40:11.346 - 00:40:11.658

Yeah.

Drew

00:40:11.714 - 00:40:23.070

Or like, they last guy, they have some guys. He was so badass. Like, that Brandon Lee guy. He was so awesome. And then they like, man, this. He was. He was such a fat.

Kyle

00:40:24.170 - 00:40:25.578

Like, he was unmotivated.

Drew

00:40:25.634 - 00:40:31.626

Even with super speed. He was like, so, like, the bad guys. I had to help him murder them.

Seth

00:40:31.738 - 00:40:32.242

I was like.

Drew

00:40:32.266 - 00:40:34.710

I had to do weight to carry his.

Kyle

00:40:35.090 - 00:40:38.962

I love this. We just went full circle on your idea earlier. That's amazing.

Drew

00:40:39.026 - 00:40:43.986

I tell you, that's. That's the. That it should be a crow animated series. Yeah. With the crow. Like, use that animation.

Seth

00:40:44.018 - 00:40:44.634

I'll produce it.

Kyle

00:40:44.682 - 00:40:48.002

We gotta make money on this. Yeah, yeah, the crow.

Drew

00:40:48.146 - 00:40:48.946

The crows.

Kyle

00:40:49.018 - 00:41:13.002

Oh, I love it. So this is really cool. This was my favorite, Rando. And it's kind of wild that. That, at the time, you wouldn't have had a clue, but the band.

Did you know who the band playing at the Dead festival was at the day of the Dead festival. No, the Deftones. That was. It was before their first record ever came out. They hadn't even released a record. This was their first track.

Oh, Chino and Chino. Chino Marino. Steven Carpenter. I love the Deftones.

Drew

00:41:13.026 - 00:41:13.370

Yeah.

Kyle

00:41:13.450 - 00:41:24.144

That's why I love this. I love the Deftones. And. But anyway, you. No one knew where they were and they were the way the band.

But, you know, Chino still had dreadlocks, locks then. So I just thought that was cool.

Drew

00:41:24.232 - 00:41:41.136

That's cool. I remember, I think you told me that and I was like, oh, that's fun. It goes to show you that.

And the last one, we're talking about how much the music added to the movie. But we learned in this movie that if you just have good music, it doesn't necessarily mean a good movie. You also have to have, like, one of those.

What are they called? A plot. Yeah, yeah.

Kyle

00:41:41.208 - 00:41:44.536

The thing under. It's gotta be. It's kind of gotta be good music.

Drew

00:41:44.608 - 00:41:49.010

Takes it from good to great, but without others things. It's just like, oh, that's a fun song.

Kyle

00:41:49.090 - 00:41:59.986

Yeah. It's like, what if we put a really good song over it? Is that gonna fix it up? We'll try, Tim. And this. You already alluded to this a lot.

The film submitted at two and a half hours. That was Pope's version.

Seth

00:42:00.058 - 00:42:00.546

Oh, my God.

Kyle

00:42:00.578 - 00:42:30.562

And usually there's the pro. I don't understand. I did research on this and I could never really find all the details.

But usually the director's not left in the dark with how long the final runtime is. But the story here is. And it's kind of hard to believe he submitted it at two and a half hours.

And then without his knowledge, Bob and Harvey Weinstein cut it down to 84 minutes. And they kind of, like, went to it with a machete. Yeah, there's missing scenes, there's massive chunks of the story.

There's a lot of stuff that probably got this leading us to ask the questions we're asking.

Drew

00:42:30.626 - 00:42:33.550

Yeah, it might have been an awesome movie.

Seth

00:42:34.610 - 00:42:47.302

Like I said, it's not surprising because Harvey Weinstein originally asked Peter Jackson to make Lord of the Rings in two movies. And then once they wrote two movies, he was like, now you need to make the whole thing in one movie.

Drew

00:42:47.406 - 00:42:48.014

Huh?

Seth

00:42:48.142 - 00:43:13.196

Like, I. And I mean, don't get me wrong, Harvey put out a fuck ton of good movies. Fuck that guy. But he put out a lot of good movies.

So it's like, I understand. He kind of knew what he was doing with certain things, but like, there comes a point when you're just. You cut the life out of something.

Like, you can't just cut it down to, like, the bare minimum and still. Still expect it to have everything in it that made it good in the first place.

Kyle

00:43:13.268 - 00:43:14.972

Right? Shall we war?

Seth

00:43:15.076 - 00:43:15.580

Let's do it.

Kyle

00:43:15.620 - 00:43:17.876

Shall we crow? Shall we fly?

Seth

00:43:17.948 - 00:43:18.628

Let's crow.

Kyle

00:43:18.724 - 00:43:31.828

That's right. Top bill class. Fuck the old granddad top Bill Cass. And remember, the crow flies is our affirmative. Yes. This is great. And our negative is eat crow.

It's bad. Hate it.

Seth

00:43:31.884 - 00:43:34.324

I still think it should be that crow. That's Crow Raven.

Kyle

00:43:34.412 - 00:43:43.936

That's Crow Raven. Yeah.

Just in case I didn't have enough time for this random, but all the birds in these movies are actually ravens, so Edgar Allan Poe would be proud.

Seth

00:43:44.008 - 00:43:53.312

Of what I've heard. And, cuz. Cuz. Don't judge me, y'all. There's a movie I grew up watching called the Omega Code, which was, like, a better version of left behind.

Kyle

00:43:53.416 - 00:43:53.936

Yeah.

Seth

00:43:54.048 - 00:44:10.848

There's a shot right near the beginning where they had to get this. This. It was supposed to be a crow flying away. And every time they used an actual crow, it just would not do what they wanted.

They bring in a raven first take. It does exactly what they want. Ravens are just easier to train.

Drew

00:44:10.904 - 00:44:15.568

But crows are too busy resurrecting people for revenge plans. Like, let's not.

Kyle

00:44:15.704 - 00:44:17.432

This is the first cigarette I've had all day.

Seth

00:44:17.456 - 00:44:18.940

I'm not flying nowhere.

Drew

00:44:19.400 - 00:44:22.832

Let the ravens be actors. Let the crows be the supernatural being.

Kyle

00:44:22.896 - 00:44:29.424

I got a Vincent Perez on my schedule. I can't do this, man. I can't do this job anymore.

Seth

00:44:29.592 - 00:44:33.952

I have a very, very good idea of where all of our votes are going to go.

Kyle

00:44:34.136 - 00:44:46.170

I had a cousin who was in the birds. I could have made a lot of money. I was sick that week. Damn you. H one, n one or whatever. Is that what that one was?

Drew

00:44:46.290 - 00:44:46.994

Yeah, I think so.

Kyle

00:44:47.042 - 00:44:53.346

I get lost in the numbers. Top bill cast. Vincent Perez could care less.

Drew

00:44:53.498 - 00:44:56.362

He could have not been in the movie. And I would have been like, it's fine.

Seth

00:44:56.466 - 00:45:06.522

He should have picked an accent and stuck with it, because there were moments his europeanness would come through, and then others were like, are you trying to be american? Like, what are you doing here?

Drew

00:45:06.586 - 00:45:09.670

The only cool secret was when he was, like, riding the motorcycle.

Kyle

00:45:09.710 - 00:45:11.622

But, yeah, that's my favorite scene.

Drew

00:45:11.686 - 00:45:16.530

Yeah, I think I just liked the motorcycle. Yeah, the motorcycle did most of the work in that scene.

Kyle

00:45:16.950 - 00:45:26.166

If the rest of the movie somehow captured, I was. I had that in my notes. I loved. I actually loved that scene. I hate this movie. It's complete garbage. That was cool.

Seth

00:45:26.238 - 00:45:26.510

Yeah.

Kyle

00:45:26.550 - 00:45:37.494

The haze, the birds flying with them. The camera work is right on. Like, why couldn't they just, like, capture a little bit of this and put this elsewhere?

But, yeah, that was his best acting. But no notice he's not saying much.

Seth

00:45:37.542 - 00:45:37.790

Yeah.

Kyle

00:45:37.830 - 00:45:39.330

The crows talking a lot.

Drew

00:45:41.670 - 00:45:51.710

So far. I feel like they try to give the crows some personality. And I will say, and maybe this is supporting guys, but I liked the crow in this movie a lot.

Like, he seemed like a fun crow.

Kyle

00:45:51.750 - 00:45:56.670

Yeah, he was kind of. What's the word I'm looking for? He was a little finicky. It was kind of. Yeah. Unpredictable.

Seth

00:45:56.750 - 00:45:57.734

The crow was a bro.

Kyle

00:45:57.822 - 00:45:58.810

The crow. Bro.

Seth

00:45:59.390 - 00:45:59.926

The crow.

Kyle

00:45:59.958 - 00:46:15.362

Raven. And I'm looking back at the quotes, like, for example, I'm. I'm all your nightmares rolled into one.

For example, every line he delivered was really hurried, and maybe it was an accent or something. I'm all your nightmares rolled into one. I'm like, what is this? Like, street fighter?

Seth

00:46:15.546 - 00:46:27.026

That's where. That's where I'm like, okay. I could see where Goyer had some really fucking badass lines that were just completely butchered by whoever was.

Drew

00:46:27.138 - 00:46:32.706

Did he caw at some point? Was that his reaction in a fight? Was he acted like a girl?

Kyle

00:46:32.778 - 00:46:34.378

It was when he's killing spider monkey.

Drew

00:46:34.434 - 00:46:35.706

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kyle

00:46:35.778 - 00:46:43.490

That's my favorite fighting in the barrel. And that's the one where spider monkey instantly recognizes him. You know, he's killed thousands of people. We killed you.

Drew

00:46:43.870 - 00:46:44.414

Yeah.

Kyle

00:46:44.502 - 00:47:00.446

It's like, you're right. You did correct. And I'm all your nightmares rolled into one. What's next? We got anything else in the Penn dispenser of dialogue here? Anything?

So we crow on this one? Yeah, yeah. I mean, he looked. I mean, I like the hair. The mask was bad. Like, I just. There's not. I just. Sorry. I just.

Drew

00:47:00.478 - 00:47:01.022

Yeah.

Seth

00:47:01.166 - 00:47:04.408

Why didn't she paint the lips? Why did she paint around the lips?

Kyle

00:47:04.464 - 00:47:04.960

Mm hmm.

Drew

00:47:05.040 - 00:47:08.752

Like, had a limited budget for what she had with the stuff.

Kyle

00:47:08.856 - 00:47:10.696

Yeah, she's running low.

Seth

00:47:10.768 - 00:47:10.992

Yeah.

Drew

00:47:11.016 - 00:47:15.640

She didn't want it in case this guy was another dead guy. He wasn't coming back to life.

Kyle

00:47:15.680 - 00:47:22.688

And it's hard to paint someone's face when you're straddling them for no reason. It's some kind of, like, actually somewhat like, subconsciously incestuous way.

Drew

00:47:22.744 - 00:47:25.512

I don't want to have to kiss all this later, so let me put.

Kyle

00:47:25.656 - 00:47:28.568

Yeah, let me just wrap my legs around you, even though you're kind of.

Seth

00:47:28.584 - 00:47:33.670

A father figure, but I also don't know you.

Drew

00:47:34.050 - 00:47:34.474

Yeah.

Kyle

00:47:34.522 - 00:47:43.882

Do you take cash? Okay. All right. Supporting cast. And for supporting cast, we got Mia Kirchner as Sarah, who was way too attracted to be Sarah.

Seth

00:47:43.946 - 00:47:44.282

Yeah.

Kyle

00:47:44.346 - 00:47:54.218

Richard Brooks is way attracted to be a guy with the last name Earl Iggy Pop. Who, thank God, they didn't cast him. Remember the big thing in the first one we got to get Iggy Pop is funboy.

Seth

00:47:54.274 - 00:47:54.914

Yeah.

Kyle

00:47:55.082 - 00:48:07.356

Seeing him play curve, I know we're getting into it now, but, like, I'm so. Michael Massey crushed funboy in the first one. Thank God. Would have ruined that movie. Interesting. Thomas Jane is Nemo.

Seth

00:48:07.468 - 00:48:07.756

Yeah.

Kyle

00:48:07.788 - 00:48:10.540

This is an early Thomas Jane. He becomes the punisher eventually.

Seth

00:48:10.620 - 00:48:10.876

Yeah.

Kyle

00:48:10.908 - 00:48:16.244

Yeah. And did you know originally. Originally Thomas Jane was gonna be Rick in the Walking Dead?

Drew

00:48:16.412 - 00:48:17.652

I didn't know that. Original.

Kyle

00:48:17.716 - 00:48:19.788

Yep. Yep. He's lost a lot of big roles.

Seth

00:48:19.844 - 00:48:20.172

Yeah.

Kyle

00:48:20.236 - 00:48:25.836

He's always like, I see him in a lot of us. Well, Thomas Jane was supposed to be the guy, and then some british guy showed up.

Drew

00:48:25.868 - 00:48:27.972

He's hustling, man. He's doing all those interviews.

Kyle

00:48:27.996 - 00:48:28.484

Yeah.

Drew

00:48:28.612 - 00:48:29.564

Calls or whatever.

Kyle

00:48:29.692 - 00:48:30.076

Close.

Drew

00:48:30.148 - 00:48:30.684

Yeah.

Kyle

00:48:30.812 - 00:48:37.252

I hate to mess up his name. Ty Trang is Callie. Which one was it? Callie. Callie. Who was that? I don't remember that.

Drew

00:48:37.276 - 00:48:37.780

I don't know.

Kyle

00:48:37.860 - 00:48:38.644

So forgettable.

Seth

00:48:38.732 - 00:48:39.236

Yeah.

Kyle

00:48:39.348 - 00:48:54.116

Vincent Castane. Castellanos. God, I'm bad. I'm sorry. Castellano. Sorry. I'm so bad at this as Spider monkey, but he played spider monkey. Who cares? Yeah.

And Ian Dory is Noah. That's our supporting cast, honestly.

Drew

00:48:54.148 - 00:48:55.676

Only Sarah. Sarah degree.

Seth

00:48:55.828 - 00:48:56.932

Everyone else. I forgot.

Kyle

00:48:56.996 - 00:48:57.660

Yeah, yeah.

Seth

00:48:57.700 - 00:49:19.724

It just. I mean, Iggy Pop, he was there. He did his thing.

Again, this is where I can't necessarily fault the actors, because, again, when every single actor sucks, it's not always the actor's fault. In fact, it's almost never the actor's fault because you can see where the director's influence is coming through.

Drew

00:49:19.812 - 00:49:31.264

They just all looked like they would have rather, like, not been working than be. Everyone looked miserable during that. Will say, I did think Sarah tried that actress tried to carry the movie.

Seth

00:49:31.312 - 00:49:32.064

Oh, yeah, she did.

Drew

00:49:32.112 - 00:49:34.456

She did. So, Sarah, if you're felt like the.

Seth

00:49:34.488 - 00:49:36.152

Only one who tried, you're the only one that.

Drew

00:49:36.176 - 00:49:41.460

I'm not saying he crowd you, but we have to be absolute justice. We have to rank them. So I'm gonna give an e crow.

Seth

00:49:42.000 - 00:49:42.744

E crow.

Drew

00:49:42.832 - 00:49:44.408

One out of however many that was.

Kyle

00:49:44.464 - 00:49:49.048

Yeah. Oh, and I like what you said because no one stands out here.

Seth

00:49:49.104 - 00:49:49.552

Yeah.

Kyle

00:49:49.656 - 00:50:16.360

Usually in a movie, like, in a bad movie, you can still say, well, this person did good. Like, there's. I could probably, if I thought hard enough. There's a lot of, like, well, that person's got a future. Movie sucked.

But I kind of like what that person did. It's directing. Cause, you know, there are people here that go on to do other things. Vincent Perez was apparently a big deal in Europe, which.

I hate it when people say that. Well, a big deal in Europe. I don't give a shit. Yeah, all right. The euro sucks. All right. Have you been to Paris lately? They don't speak English.

Seth

00:50:17.940 - 00:50:19.708

They do. They just don't want you to know that.

Drew

00:50:19.764 - 00:50:21.940

Followed by, like, 20 french fans right there.

Seth

00:50:21.980 - 00:50:23.380

Yeah, no, good riddance.

Kyle

00:50:23.460 - 00:50:40.858

I know. I'm kidding. I have a racist grandpa. And he would go to. He would go to Europe, and he'd come back and be like, how'd you like Europe?

He'd be like, there's a lot of foreigners there. You mean the people that live in the country that you visited? Yeah, you're right, grandpa. They were the foreigners. Yeah, you were just a bystander.

Drew

00:50:40.914 - 00:50:43.706

Just be more american. Well, you're in France.

Kyle

00:50:43.858 - 00:50:57.376

You're kind of in there for them. Oh, my God. What an idiot. Fucking my grandma. She makes the worst cookie. Everyone on the podcast knows about how much I hate my grandma.

She's still kicking, though.

Drew

00:50:57.448 - 00:50:58.280

She's still doing it.

Kyle

00:50:58.320 - 00:51:01.248

Choke on your cookies, grandma. They suck. All right.

Drew

00:51:01.344 - 00:51:03.864

I probably like them. I'm pretty low cookie standards.

Kyle

00:51:03.992 - 00:51:14.696

Well, if there's no cookies around and all of a sudden there's cookies, they're like, I'll eat a cookie. But if you have ten trays of cookies, you're gonna rank them, and hers are gonna be dead last. Yeah, yeah. Dead last.

Seth

00:51:14.768 - 00:51:17.632

So you would take Pillsbury over hers any day?

Kyle

00:51:17.656 - 00:51:21.120

I thought you were gonna say, take pills. I'll take pills. I'll take pills all day long.

Drew

00:51:21.160 - 00:51:23.740

I thought that too. I was like, you would take some pills?

Seth

00:51:24.100 - 00:51:24.572

Yep.

Kyle

00:51:24.636 - 00:51:27.916

Red, blue, green, pink, heart top, whatever you got chewables?

Drew

00:51:27.948 - 00:51:29.480

Let me stop you there. Yes.

Kyle

00:51:29.940 - 00:51:53.294

I'll bring over a cat, a liquid cap, and just blah. You know, it's two to zero. Eat crow so far, and I didn't see this coming. No. Yeah, this masterpiece, this stunning. This stunning creation.

Poetic killings. So last time we ranked, you know, the creative. They were so creative. The killings is very, you know, important to this franchise.

What do you guys think about the. The slangs here?

Drew

00:51:53.342 - 00:52:14.446

They either. They tried to copy from the first one and just didn't do it as well. Or the only decent killing was Iggy Pop. That was.

Or, I mean, I don't know, the last one where they. Death by crow. That was so bad. But I'm gonna. I'll still give it an eight crow. I thought about being nice. Cause I was like, there's two good.

Seth

00:52:14.478 - 00:52:19.086

Ones, but no, we're gonna rip the shit out of this movie. Eat crow. It's so bad.

Kyle

00:52:19.278 - 00:52:41.782

This is the one category where I was like, I wanted to give it some grace, but I can't. And the one is curve. Like, yeah, that was the most creative, cool one. But that explosion should have, like, left him disembodied.

Like, there should have been limbs. He's got a little bit of blood, and then he floats him out into the water, and he's got the.

It's amazing in this movie, too, how everything randomly turns into the shape of a crow.

Seth

00:52:41.846 - 00:52:42.062

Yeah.

Drew

00:52:42.086 - 00:52:58.712

Yeah. You know, I love that seems to be the thing in all the movies. It was weird.

It was the worst weird the first time in the first movie, but now, like, if I don't see a crow after a death, I'm like, well, he's mission not accomplished, no matter how weird it is. Get back out there and sketch it.

Kyle

00:52:58.776 - 00:52:59.328

Yeah.

Seth

00:52:59.464 - 00:53:04.632

One person's just throwing the flowers, and they just come into the shape of a crowd.

Drew

00:53:04.696 - 00:53:08.620

They just witness to crime, and they're just like, this is. Let's honor this.

Kyle

00:53:09.080 - 00:53:18.404

Yeah. And you're a filmmaker. You're a filmmaker. How much b roll of those people throwing, like, do we got two minutes of b roll of them? It feels like.

Seth

00:53:18.472 - 00:53:25.640

Oh, no, I'll bet you. I'll bet you just. Of that person throwing the flowers. The. The b roll is as long as Ben Hur.

Drew

00:53:28.780 - 00:53:33.920

This is the good part. Let me make sure it's. This is where. This is where we really get the characterization.

Kyle

00:53:34.420 - 00:53:47.192

This is the funny. This is the guy you wanted. This is Iggy Pop, the guy that you wanted so bad in the first one. He's dead. He just died.

And it was the only semi creative killing in a movie. He's floating in the river, but you're looking at the people just throwing flowers. Like, show icky pop.

Drew

00:53:47.276 - 00:53:56.776

Yeah. No, also, like, why did they make that such a big deal? Like, I seriously looked at the times that I was watching.

I was like, is this the end of the movie? Like, is this the.

Kyle

00:53:56.848 - 00:53:57.192

Yeah.

Seth

00:53:57.256 - 00:54:02.944

And I thought that four times throughout the movie. I was like, this is the end. There's 30 minutes left.

Kyle

00:54:02.992 - 00:54:07.140

Yeah. I hate that feeling. Yeah, you're like, oh, I thought this was almost over.

Drew

00:54:09.560 - 00:54:11.216

I would have been cool with any in 20 minutes.

Kyle

00:54:11.288 - 00:54:15.592

And then you check out and you're like, I got to do a podcast on this. I got to be interested in.

Seth

00:54:15.656 - 00:54:16.740

Remember something.

Drew

00:54:17.200 - 00:54:25.840

Also something fun about shitting on bad movies, though. I think that's the. Is something enjoyable when you're just like, yeah. Why?

Kyle

00:54:25.920 - 00:54:48.582

Well, especially when it's tail ending, like the death of Brandon Lee and the cult nature of it. And this is what we got. Yeah, I will say, too, this reminded me of something that was in my notes. This is really important to me, actually.

In the first one, we talked about how, like, you know, Alex Proyas was concerned that the story wasn't complex enough. Like in Brandon Lee filled in. He said he filled in all the gaps.

Seth

00:54:48.656 - 00:54:48.986

Yeah.

Kyle

00:54:49.058 - 00:55:01.026

His acting, his physicality, his poetry, the way he acted. You see here now how without that prominence, this story suffers. Vincent Perez is not physical.

Seth

00:55:01.098 - 00:55:01.710

No.

Kyle

00:55:02.010 - 00:55:09.226

His martial arts are very limited. I mean, freaking Brandon Lee grew up being trained by his father, the greatest.

Seth

00:55:09.378 - 00:55:13.282

Martial artist on film ever, who invented his own style.

Kyle

00:55:13.466 - 00:55:22.450

And he was so, and he was so physical, and he used his body not just to fight, but to move and to jump and, like, everything was kind of poetic in the way he operated.

Drew

00:55:22.570 - 00:55:30.234

There's none of that here until you're right. You see, you see in the absence, when it's not there, you see how significant it was in the first movie. When he's in the second movie, when.

Kyle

00:55:30.242 - 00:55:35.202

You'Re like, it's not there, you're like, is something happening? He's gonna kill this guy. Okay.

Seth

00:55:35.346 - 00:55:44.650

The first movie took a very less is more approach. The second movie was just like, no, no, no. Everyone who's watching this is a moron. Let's tell them what's happening.

Kyle

00:55:44.730 - 00:55:45.810

Exposition galore.

Drew

00:55:45.890 - 00:55:48.798

The first one was like, less is more. The second was like, nothing.

Kyle

00:55:48.894 - 00:56:05.542

Yeah, yeah. Enjoy. Enjoy this. All right, three to zero. We are eating lots of crow. I'm getting full, actually. The mask. So this is not just the mask.

The attire, the. The paint, the everyone's get up, the style.

Seth

00:56:05.686 - 00:56:42.104

Awful. It was again, like in. In the first movie, everything felt so natural and lived in as if, like.

Like people had been living on the streets for ten straight years, and they had three sets of clothes, and this was this week's. They got one more for next week and then another one for the next week, and then they started all over again.

This literally was just like, okay, this guy needs clothes. Here's some clothes. Put those on you. You need a toga. Like, we're going to give you a tunic toga, whatever the fuck this is.

We want you to be mystical, but we're not going to give you any reason. Reason why this should make sense.

Drew

00:56:42.152 - 00:56:45.656

Yeah, well, his name's Jonah Earl. He do whatever he wants.

Kyle

00:56:45.688 - 00:56:48.552

Yeah. Except wear flannel and do chew.

Seth

00:56:48.616 - 00:56:49.144

Yeah.

Drew

00:56:49.272 - 00:57:14.040

So. Okay, so.

But are we saying it's terrible because the first one was so good and it's like we're comparing it to it or, like, does this one have a big budget or a bigger budget than the first one is there? Were they saving money on so they could pay their amazing actors? Like, were they like. Cause I don't know. Like, I feel like they try.

They tried to stay in the same scheme, and I almost inclined to be like, it's fine for what it was.

Kyle

00:57:14.200 - 00:57:14.632

Yeah.

Drew

00:57:14.696 - 00:57:23.060

You know, I'm almost inclined to give that one a. Let it. Let it cruise on by. Let it fly. Let the crow fly. Because, like, they tried to stay with the same.

Kyle

00:57:23.560 - 00:57:25.864

Yeah, you might be right in it.

Drew

00:57:25.912 - 00:57:26.736

I mean, honestly.

Seth

00:57:26.768 - 00:57:27.740

We'll get to it.

Drew

00:57:28.200 - 00:57:49.590

Will the first one, when we talk about. I already know for the next one, like, I'm gonna not let it slide. Yeah, but on the map. But for this one. Okay.

I'm gonna give it to them because, like, was it as good as the first one? No, clothing wise, but, like, it was definitely inspired. Like, they were still. I mean, it looked like it was the Kmart crow, honestly.

Seth

00:57:49.630 - 00:57:52.118

Like, yeah, I don't know. I.

Drew

00:57:52.214 - 00:57:53.462

Who stamps crow?

Seth

00:57:53.526 - 00:57:58.910

I can't. I can't give it. I can't give it any props. It was. It was not good. I'm saying eat crow on this one.

Drew

00:57:58.950 - 00:57:59.486

That's okay.

Kyle

00:57:59.558 - 00:58:33.000

Yeah, I think. I think we know. We know so much about how the first one was.

The fact that Brandon Lee controlled his own attire and control the mask and the fact that it looks so cool and that. That he knew that gradually it would have to wear down. But also, he made it perpetually more cool looking and more lived in.

And I do think that the attire that all the villains wore in the first one kind of matched. Again, they were very natural. We talked about how they look like they grew out of the ground, out of this shitty city.

I don't think it's necessarily that all the villains are bad. Like, they don't stick out, but it's. When you get to Jonah.

Seth

00:58:33.080 - 00:58:33.456

Yeah.

Kyle

00:58:33.528 - 00:58:36.240

Honestly, it just makes zero sense to me and Sybil.

Seth

00:58:36.320 - 00:58:37.464

None whatsoever. Yeah.

Kyle

00:58:37.512 - 00:58:43.848

His. His. What do they call her? She's an oracle. Yeah. She literally looks like resident evil four.

Drew

00:58:43.984 - 00:58:54.912

I kept waiting for it because she had that whole. The hood over the whole. I kept waiting her to pull it back and be the one eyed lady from before.

And then she would have been like, I've dealt with this before. Here's what you have to do.

Seth

00:58:54.976 - 00:58:55.360

Yeah.

Drew

00:58:55.440 - 00:58:59.014

And I was like, look at them. Tying the two movies with the same name.

Kyle

00:58:59.192 - 00:59:02.546

Yeah. So we wouldn't eat crow. But you did try to.

Drew

00:59:02.578 - 00:59:02.946

I'm gonna give.

Kyle

00:59:02.978 - 00:59:03.074

Yeah.

Drew

00:59:03.082 - 00:59:04.746

I'm gonna let her fly.

Kyle

00:59:04.898 - 00:59:12.122

Okay. Well, it's. It's close. Like, we do have to give it a neat crow, but we. I do appreciate your positivity there. It is admirable.

Seth

00:59:12.186 - 00:59:13.030

You tried.

Kyle

00:59:13.810 - 00:59:16.030

How good are these bad guys, huh?

Seth

00:59:17.010 - 00:59:17.750

No.

Kyle

00:59:18.930 - 00:59:21.706

Yeah, I'll start. Forgettable.

Seth

00:59:21.818 - 00:59:22.226

Yeah.

Kyle

00:59:22.298 - 00:59:52.610

Spider monkey. The fact that. Right. And we killed you, and he's just like. It's just everything the. They are. There's a lot of expositions.

They depend a lot on dialogue here. The flashbacks are really bad. Whereas before, they were kind of like a flavor here.

They're trying to force dialogue on you and force information on you with the killings or what happened. I just. None of them make sense to me. I just. I don't know. Jonah, again, I just don't understand. Why was he. That character, like, that?

Drew

00:59:52.650 - 00:59:55.010

I would have liked to have more of him so I could understand.

Seth

00:59:55.130 - 00:59:55.634

Exactly.

Drew

00:59:55.682 - 00:59:58.866

I feel like he was the one that was like, oh, there's something here now.

Seth

00:59:58.938 - 01:00:02.750

Now I'm curious to see the full two and a half hour cut.

Kyle

01:00:02.830 - 01:00:03.374

Yeah.

Seth

01:00:03.502 - 01:00:08.014

Cause again, I just. I kept feeling like there was inklings of a good movie in this.

Kyle

01:00:08.102 - 01:00:19.374

Yeah. Cause, like, there's a flashback when he's in the car and he's wearing a suit. Like, he's wearing an actual.

And it makes you think at one point, he wasn't wearing a tunica and doing mystical, like, oracle things.

Seth

01:00:19.422 - 01:00:19.886

Yeah.

Kyle

01:00:19.998 - 01:00:23.286

But it's just. Without that context, he's just weird.

Seth

01:00:23.438 - 01:00:29.638

And it's just like it doesn't belong in this world that both of the movies have tried to create.

Kyle

01:00:29.734 - 01:00:42.990

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And talk. I don't know why top dollar was so compelling. I try to. I was thinking about this for this category I was trying to nail down. Why top dollar?

Like, I just think because he was just. He was just so. He just took. You chewed up a lot of scenery. Yeah.

Seth

01:00:43.070 - 01:01:09.330

Fit. Like, he. He fit the aesthetic. They weren't trying to make him something that. That didn't belong. There was no magic to him.

Even from the beginning, he had his magical person in his version of the aura, like. But. But there was no mystery for him. He was a mob boss. He was doing his thing, and he had someone to help him.

But in this one, it's like, no, we're gonna try to make him some sort of mystical creature.

Kyle

01:01:09.370 - 01:01:09.634

Yeah.

Drew

01:01:09.682 - 01:01:23.674

I feel like with top dollar, there was enough little things in the beginning scenes and the dialogues or with the actions, even the way he talks to his people, the. I mean, how he treats the ladies around him, like, oh, there was enough things where you're like, I get that he's a villain.

Seth

01:01:23.762 - 01:01:24.058

Yeah.

Drew

01:01:24.114 - 01:01:45.892

And then, so by the time he died, in such a gruesome way, you're like, yes. That vile man died with Jonah. We were like, man, what's going on here? We don't know. I know I'm not supposed to like you, but I don't understand you.

I want to be able to understand why I don't like you. But when he got the crow powers, I was like, that's cool, but we could have used this earlier.

Seth

01:01:45.996 - 01:01:56.962

Seriously. And then at the end, when he's just literally stabbed onto this pole, and he's like, oh, I'm not dying. And then the crows just fly through him.

I'm like, where the fuck was this?

Drew

01:01:57.066 - 01:01:58.218

Where these crows been?

Seth

01:01:58.274 - 01:01:59.790

Like, seriously?

Drew

01:02:00.210 - 01:02:04.530

Yeah, they let their fret. Well, I guess they. Maybe they knew that crow was faking it.

Kyle

01:02:04.610 - 01:02:17.186

Yeah. And there's so many movies that that formula works like hell. Even, like, the nineties ninja Turtles, when splinter gets, like, even that work.

Like, they made use of that. Like, all sudden, he was super shredder. And, like, that was awesome. Like, remember that?

Drew

01:02:17.218 - 01:02:18.198

Like, yeah, that was a great.

Kyle

01:02:18.274 - 01:02:30.470

That's. That's usually, like a cash in for movies whenever the villain or the bad guy gets. Yeah, the power. That's the good power. And also, they have it.

Like, usually they cash in on it, but here you're just like. He's like, oh, no, here he comes. Yeah. All the crows.

Seth

01:02:30.510 - 01:02:30.702

Yeah.

Kyle

01:02:30.726 - 01:02:43.054

CGI him to death. Yeah, whatever happened there. Yeah. And was that because they didn't have enough money?

It would have been cooler if he was torn to shreds and bloody, but instead, he turns into a ray of light even though he was never dead.

Seth

01:02:43.142 - 01:02:43.478

Yeah.

Drew

01:02:43.534 - 01:02:47.106

So they took them to Crow heaven. Crowell. I don't know.

Seth

01:02:47.178 - 01:02:47.826

Crow. Perfect.

Drew

01:02:47.898 - 01:02:48.650

Crowbar.

Kyle

01:02:48.810 - 01:02:49.922

Yeah, there you go.

Drew

01:02:50.026 - 01:02:57.258

Was the category of the villains. Yeah. These ones were. These ones forgettable and honestly, carbon copies of the first one. Yeah.

Kyle

01:02:57.314 - 01:02:59.394

Just worse versions with worse names.

Seth

01:02:59.442 - 01:02:59.834

Yeah.

Kyle

01:02:59.922 - 01:03:10.950

Spider monkey. The minute I heard his name was Spider Monkey, I was like, it is in my mouth. It was so bad. All right, we're eating crow here.

It's basically, we got to get to these categories, but this is a losing battle here.

Seth

01:03:11.010 - 01:03:11.542

Absolutely.

Drew

01:03:11.606 - 01:03:14.974

There's one watcher who's like, are you kidding me? Are they blind?

Kyle

01:03:15.062 - 01:03:16.950

Spider monkey is my God.

Drew

01:03:17.110 - 01:03:19.518

I have spider monkey tattooed on my bald.

Kyle

01:03:19.574 - 01:03:27.054

I've got a whole poster on my wall of spider monkey. He can't walk in my country without getting mugged.

Seth

01:03:27.142 - 01:03:30.330

My desktop background is a collage of spider monkey.

Kyle

01:03:30.950 - 01:03:34.014

God, that's. Now that you say there's, like, there is, like, one person.

Seth

01:03:34.102 - 01:03:34.534

Yeah.

Kyle

01:03:34.622 - 01:03:36.022

Like, there's one of everything, right?

Seth

01:03:36.046 - 01:03:36.606

They'll find us.

Drew

01:03:36.638 - 01:03:38.014

Someone's like, I lost my virginity.

Kyle

01:03:38.062 - 01:03:38.246

That.

Drew

01:03:38.278 - 01:03:42.120

Man, I don't know why there's so many.

Kyle

01:03:42.160 - 01:03:56.568

I named my penis Spider monkey. It's got dreadlocks. It's getting wild. The shitty city war. What do we think about this setting again?

Seth

01:03:56.704 - 01:04:11.032

Just nothing unique. The first movie. From the moment the camera turns on, you're transported to a different world.

This just felt like somehow an even shittier version of LA, which I didn't know that was possible.

Drew

01:04:11.136 - 01:04:26.672

Yeah, it didn't do much. I mean, it was. It was clear it was a lower budget than the first movie.

I sometimes think that should be some grace, but, like, some of the really cool things they did, a lot of the really cool things they did in the first one, they were like, let's not do that. Yeah, I'll give it. I'll give it. Eating crow.

Seth

01:04:26.736 - 01:04:27.072

Yeah.

Kyle

01:04:27.136 - 01:04:36.268

This was literally the only one I gave the crow flies thus far. And the reason was, is I. It was the. To me, it was the only redeeming thing, and it was not as good as the first.

Seth

01:04:36.344 - 01:04:36.740

Yeah.

Kyle

01:04:36.820 - 01:05:00.172

But to me, it was the camera work and how it intermingled. Like, the motorcycle scene. I did like the haze, the music video feel, and those were the. The bright moments. What?

And I did like the way even though the crowd was weird, some of the people were obviously not used to raving in a crowd. I did like how it looked when he was climbing. And, like, this movie has good visuals. Like, if you take the.

The dialogue out, there are picturesque moments where it's like, oh, that's a cool image.

Seth

01:05:00.236 - 01:05:01.308

Yeah, absolutely.

Drew

01:05:01.364 - 01:05:02.684

I'm gonna. Can I change my.

Kyle

01:05:02.732 - 01:05:04.532

You can change. Because that happens all the time.

Drew

01:05:04.596 - 01:05:05.484

I'm doing whatever you want.

Kyle

01:05:05.532 - 01:05:07.052

You guys almost made me change last week.

Drew

01:05:07.076 - 01:05:21.172

So I'm thinking now about him coming back from the dead. I'm thinking about the parade scene and even the ending fights and the different kind of the different tone of the parade versus the rest of the.

I'm gonna give, I'm gonna get. Let it. I'm gonna let it fly on that one.

Kyle

01:05:21.196 - 01:05:28.116

Yeah, yeah. No, it happens that on movie wars 1.0, that happened all the time. I would change at least once every couple episodes, and we'll change.

Seth

01:05:28.148 - 01:05:28.884

Sticking to my guns.

Kyle

01:05:28.932 - 01:05:31.276

I like it. I dig it. I dig it. No, I get it, man.

Seth

01:05:31.348 - 01:05:33.284

Camera work doesn't save everything else.

Kyle

01:05:33.372 - 01:05:33.940

It's true.

Seth

01:05:34.020 - 01:06:08.360

And I've been involved in enough student productions to know that that's the case. Yeah, I. Back in college, there was a guy who spent. If I remember correctly, someone said he spent 30 grand on his senior film.

And it was one of the most God awful movies I've ever seen. He had a really nice camera, cinematographer. Knew what he was doing. And he paid out the ass for antique cars. Cause it was a world war two set film.

Those were the only redeeming qualities. Writing terrible, acting terrible. Literally, during one scene, they filmed in a gym. You could hear the.

Kyle

01:06:08.980 - 01:06:09.424

Yeah.

Seth

01:06:09.492 - 01:06:19.656

Of the gym lights the entire way through. And even when they asked me to come in and fix the audio for it, I could not. It was so bad, I could not notch it out all the way.

Kyle

01:06:19.688 - 01:06:20.648

Come on, izotope.

Seth

01:06:20.704 - 01:06:28.144

Yeah, this was before Izotope was even doing that. I was in premiere trying to find the frequency, and it just.

Drew

01:06:28.192 - 01:06:33.500

Yeah, and then you had the Patreon for this. Yeah, he's our biggest supporter.

Kyle

01:06:34.080 - 01:06:37.964

Yeah, Cliff actually made millions off that, by the way. That's cause his dad works for Citibank.

Drew

01:06:38.092 - 01:06:46.052

I really was hoping, I knew it wasn't the end of the story, but I was like, I was hoping you'd be like, hi, my name's Seth. I'm that guy. And I've learned to be better.

Kyle

01:06:46.196 - 01:07:01.564

Or then I killed him with. I took a gym light and shoved up his ass. He's dead now. Fuck you, Cliff and Citibank. No, you're right.

And then you see some jerk with a handheld that just makes a masterpiece with five grand.

Seth

01:07:01.612 - 01:07:10.762

I mean, you like, text BTS videos of, like, the dude diving through two car windows with a camera in slow motion. It's just like, why can't we get that guy?

Kyle

01:07:10.826 - 01:07:30.930

Yeah, yeah, it's.

You can't, you know, I mean, I remember meeting Belmont kids, and I'm sorry, I'm not saying all Belmont kids are like this, but when I move here to play guitar and someone told me they're spending all this money on Belmont, and then I go in the studio with them or do a gig. I'd be like, you paid to do that. Like, I learned that when I was, like, ten. On accident.

I accidentally learned that Jimi Hendrix songs when I was ten.

Seth

01:07:30.970 - 01:07:32.470

Don't make fun of my alma mater.

Kyle

01:07:32.810 - 01:07:34.850

I'm sorry, but you know it's true.

Seth

01:07:34.930 - 01:07:35.750

Oh, I do.

Kyle

01:07:36.290 - 01:07:39.730

Kids with rich parents. Like, I'm gonna learn how to play guitar for $60.

Seth

01:07:39.770 - 01:07:46.242

Are you just trying to cut me to the quick right now? Audio engineering.

Drew

01:07:46.386 - 01:07:47.594

Homeschooled.

Kyle

01:07:47.762 - 01:07:50.642

Hey. Hey. I homeschooled my kids for two years.

Seth

01:07:50.706 - 01:07:52.362

Oh, man. I'm so sorry for them.

Kyle

01:07:52.386 - 01:08:00.770

I couldn't hack it. Neither could they. I didn't know this. This is awesome. Way to learn about on the fly. I feel so bad. Can you forgive me? I'm sorry.

Seth

01:08:00.850 - 01:08:01.138

Never.

Drew

01:08:01.194 - 01:08:01.386

No.

Kyle

01:08:01.418 - 01:08:06.562

I love you. I love you, Belmont. I'll cut you a check. Never. All right. Well, hey, I like it. We had a convert.

Drew

01:08:06.626 - 01:08:07.946

We had. Yeah, there we go.

Kyle

01:08:08.018 - 01:08:11.070

We should do, like, in Mad Max free or whatever. That was just a witness.

Seth

01:08:15.010 - 01:08:16.474

So did that one end up flying?

Kyle

01:08:16.562 - 01:08:17.370

Yeah, that flew.

Seth

01:08:17.450 - 01:08:21.490

Damn. We got one point. I thought we were gonna get a queen sweep, but now I know it's.

Kyle

01:08:21.530 - 01:08:38.873

Bad, but it's not the worst thing ever. I've seen. I have seen worse. Not much worse, but I have seen worse. I mean, Wicker man will always exist. The remake. So.

Okay, last category, revenge served. Awesome. Did the punishment fit the crime? Do we like how we it.

Seth

01:08:38.921 - 01:08:59.600

Again, nothing was memorable that the. Especially the way that it all just ended. Like, at least with the way the first one ended, you.

You knew that Eric was kind of going back into the grave and was fully giving up. The second one just ended. Like, there was no resolution to any of the characters other than this guy. I died.

Drew

01:09:00.060 - 01:09:15.244

I feel like, though, this is a weird thing to not say the punishment fit the crime, because if I say eat crow, I'm basically saying, like, yeah, that guy who lost his child in his life, he kind of overreacted.

Kyle

01:09:15.292 - 01:09:16.960

He kind of overdid a little bit.

Drew

01:09:17.260 - 01:09:31.910

He needed to calm down a little bit. But the alternative is, like, yes, sending a mass of supernatural crows to completely obliterate and absorb or take to a different dimension.

This main villain.

Kyle

01:09:34.690 - 01:09:36.586

Transition joke. I like that.

Drew

01:09:36.738 - 01:09:38.110

Yeah. So I don't know.

Kyle

01:09:38.970 - 01:09:41.790

I feel like you're like, at least he did something.

Drew

01:09:42.170 - 01:09:51.802

He got the job done, you know? Like, he did. He did what. He did what the crow told him to do. The crows were satisfied. They even jumped in to help him out.

Kyle

01:09:51.826 - 01:09:52.570

They got their friends.

Seth

01:09:52.650 - 01:09:52.906

Yeah.

Drew

01:09:52.938 - 01:09:54.098

No justice served.

Kyle

01:09:54.194 - 01:09:54.930

Okay, good.

Drew

01:09:54.970 - 01:09:55.994

That one at the end.

Seth

01:09:56.082 - 01:09:56.618

Sure.

Kyle

01:09:56.754 - 01:10:23.954

But you can't do it so bad. Yeah, I actually did go eat crow here. And the reason is, is I keep thinking about how. What?

You made a great comment during the 94 that the flashbacks were such a nice. Usually they're a crutch, but in this situation, they were very. They were a very simple way to help move the story. They're.

They're trying to use flashbacks here because it's copy and paste, but they are hard to watch, especially the villains in the flash. But, oh, my gosh, there's a witness. You know, like, I hate that.

Seth

01:10:24.002 - 01:10:45.924

Like, it's like too much exposition in them, as opposed in the first one. The reason the flashbacks worked so well is because they were very tasteful in the information they gave you.

And when they gave you that information in this one, it literally was like, he's awake. Okay, what's going on? I'm going to touch this thing. Oh, here's the entire story of how I got here.

Drew

01:10:45.972 - 01:10:48.244

They should have just like seven times. Yeah.

Kyle

01:10:48.332 - 01:11:00.918

They should have just had an icky pop. Willie, walk up to the camera and break down the fourth wall. Okay, here's what happened.

A guy in kid just saw us kill a person, and we got to do something about it, so we killed him. We're going to go over here. There's a dog.

Seth

01:11:01.014 - 01:11:01.454

Yeah.

Kyle

01:11:01.542 - 01:11:05.170

Conveniently placed. We're going to go get some chicken wire. We're a time.

Seth

01:11:06.710 - 01:11:07.190

Literally.

Kyle

01:11:07.230 - 01:11:11.926

What it felt like there were some in. There were a lot of flashbacks in the first one. Didn't even have dialogue.

Seth

01:11:11.958 - 01:11:13.390

No, no, they shouldn't have.

Drew

01:11:13.430 - 01:11:24.436

Yeah, I was watching, like, wait, what? Yeah, but then, like, I was. Then you would watch the rest of the movie and it would answer the questions you had exactly back, which was good.

Writing this.

Seth

01:11:24.508 - 01:11:30.356

This sparked a question and then immediately was like, here's the answer. Yeah, you don't need to worry about this. Here's the answer.

Kyle

01:11:30.468 - 01:11:38.252

And it's sad to know that after you find out about all the cutting they did. Like, they're hand holding us because they. They knew they told a bad story.

Seth

01:11:38.316 - 01:11:38.556

Yeah.

Kyle

01:11:38.588 - 01:12:00.654

And they didn't know what else to do. And they couldn't do it visually because they didn't have the acting power. They didn't have David Patrick Kelly. They didn't have Tony Todd.

You know, they didn't have. I'm trying to think some of the other fantastic. Or they didn't have Michael Massey. Like, yeah, they had this surplus of acting talent.

They don't have the talent to deliver a nonverbal story here. Oh, this one ate some pretty bad crows, six to one. Yeah, I think it. I think it didn't do well here.

Seth

01:12:00.702 - 01:12:03.206

In movie worlds, as it should not.

Drew

01:12:03.398 - 01:12:07.270

What if we were like, this is the. Like, what if we were like, we got a full six.

Kyle

01:12:07.350 - 01:12:10.214

Just surprise people. What if we just surprised people like, this is wonderful.

Drew

01:12:10.262 - 01:12:10.862

This is great.

Seth

01:12:10.926 - 01:12:12.550

I can't wait for April Fool's Day.

Kyle

01:12:12.670 - 01:12:14.086

Yeah, that would be fun.

Seth

01:12:14.158 - 01:12:18.640

We take the room and we sit there, and we talk about how it's the greatest movie ever made, the fact.

Kyle

01:12:18.680 - 01:12:25.376

That Perez didn't get nominated for this. You know, he should have been Batman in the Nolan movies. You know that, right?

Drew

01:12:25.448 - 01:12:36.944

You know that this one doesn't. This movie does not deserve crows flying for it. No, the crow are upset with this movie.

Kyle

01:12:36.992 - 01:12:37.624

Yeah.

Seth

01:12:37.792 - 01:12:44.672

Like, even they were like, this needs to be done. And that's why they just nonsensically carried the guy away.

Drew

01:12:44.816 - 01:12:50.380

They weren't carrying the guy away. They were leaving. They were like, he can't even be in this fictional world.

Kyle

01:12:50.680 - 01:12:57.352

And I just had this thought, yes, it was his son who was killed, but, like, they never do a good job making you feel connected to the son.

Seth

01:12:57.416 - 01:12:57.712

No.

Drew

01:12:57.776 - 01:13:19.212

Yeah, he's kind of a mystery scene.

They have one scene at the beginning, which, I don't know, it was really like, that was actually a pretty good scene where they're talking, and then he hears a noise, and it's like, oh, let me go. But the dad knows this is a terrible city. Don't go out anywhere without the kid's like, oh, nothing bad ever happens in life.

Let me go check out what's going on. And then he gets murdered, and you're like, well, bummer.

Kyle

01:13:19.276 - 01:13:20.880

There's just smog everywhere.

Drew

01:13:21.900 - 01:13:25.660

Yeah, maybe the kid should have come back as the crowd. That would have been interesting.

Kyle

01:13:25.740 - 01:13:36.780

Yeah. And I just. I feel like. Like Sarah now we get a lot of Sarah in the first one because she's one of the main characters. But I just, like.

I hate to say this is mean, but, like, I just did not give a shit about that kid.

Seth

01:13:36.820 - 01:13:38.396

No, no, not at all.

Drew

01:13:38.468 - 01:13:55.814

Well, I kind of forget about the kid, which then makes you not give a shit about ash. That's the thing. Like, you, there is a kid, and you're like, oh, yeah, that's why he's doing all this.

But, like, the whole time you're watching, I just. Yeah, it's. I felt like I was just observing a stranger at an airport for a little bit, and I was like, well, I'll go get a bagel.

Kyle

01:13:55.942 - 01:14:03.846

Looks like he's gonna get the Tootsie rolls. Oh, he didn't go for people because it's the 1299 50th anniversary edition.

Drew

01:14:03.918 - 01:14:09.648

That's why Sarah would have been so much of a better choice, because we had a whole first movie to learn to care about her.

Kyle

01:14:09.704 - 01:14:10.128

Yeah.

Seth

01:14:10.224 - 01:14:15.960

But again, I did not know until we started this podcast today that that was Sarah.

Drew

01:14:16.000 - 01:14:20.712

They had the same white cat in his old apartment that she was luring dead people to.

Seth

01:14:20.776 - 01:14:21.040

Yeah.

Drew

01:14:21.080 - 01:14:23.648

See if they'd resurrect so that she could clothe them and.

Seth

01:14:23.704 - 01:14:35.834

But, like, that's how bad of a job they did at letting us know who the characters were that I. Yeah, if you had not said this was Sarah, I would have been like, this is just a random ass lady.

Drew

01:14:35.882 - 01:14:43.470

They did such a bad job that I at first thought it was Sarah, and then by the end of the movie, was convinced it wasn't until we talked about it.

Kyle

01:14:44.370 - 01:14:57.506

And it's not just us.

I cuz I one way I study research that sometimes I'll listen to other podcasts and, like, there are other really smart movie podcast people that said the same exact thing that they had no idea. And these are, like, brilliant people that I admire in the industry.

Drew

01:14:57.578 - 01:14:59.474

Like, not like these slugs that you're.

Kyle

01:14:59.482 - 01:15:02.390

In, the movie wars. He didn't know it was him.

Seth

01:15:03.270 - 01:15:05.014

Not that much of an idiot, I guess.

Kyle

01:15:05.102 - 01:15:15.102

And I think a good way to a good closing thought for this, I guess a good closing question then, based on everything we just said, is how much of this is the fact that they went after this thing two years after Brandon Lee died?

Seth

01:15:15.166 - 01:15:15.810

Yeah.

Kyle

01:15:16.150 - 01:15:19.830

Fans are passionate about this. Fans are still. We found this out last week.

Seth

01:15:19.870 - 01:15:20.158

Yeah.

Kyle

01:15:20.214 - 01:15:23.278

Fans are still die hard passionate over this. The reboot showed that.

Seth

01:15:23.334 - 01:15:23.590

Yeah.

Kyle

01:15:23.630 - 01:15:33.610

Imagine being two years removed. I mean, how much of that is kind of rain? Like, how, like, how good did this movie have to be to win their. Their hearts?

Seth

01:15:34.290 - 01:15:41.426

It's literally like trying to make misses. Doubtfire two in 2017. It just would have been a horrible decision.

Kyle

01:15:41.538 - 01:15:49.426

Yeah. Like going out and get some random comedian and it's not Robin Williams, and Robin Williams is dead. Died tragically. And I can see that. Yeah.

Seth

01:15:49.458 - 01:15:53.442

And then you just come in with Jared Leto and it's like, why? What are we doing here?

Drew

01:15:53.586 - 01:16:25.180

Yeah, I felt like, yeah, there's nothing. There was nothing about the sequel that needed to happen. Yeah, they didn't need to. They didn't. Like, it was not because.

Because you read online that they say that, like, oh, we're gonna do it. In a respectful way that honors the previous movie and Brandon Lee. Well, if they tried to do that, they failed.

Yeah, I'm telling myself that they just didn't mean what they were saying. Cause somehow to me, that gives them more respect.

Or like, you know, after my honest opinion, knowing that there were so many movies after the first one, I was like, first one didn't need a sequel.

Seth

01:16:26.920 - 01:16:32.390

It genuinely could have ended with that first one, and it would have been a perfect cult classic movie.

Kyle

01:16:32.550 - 01:17:08.224

Yeah. And I'm covering the Mad Max series with Matthew Blevins.

And one thing that they Miller talks about is that it's intentional, that each movie feels like a campfire retelling, which is why they're not necessarily like, you never really know the chronology. A lot of people have kind of mapped it out, but you really don't know.

And that's why Max is kind of different in each movie, too, because it's almost like there's a person at a campfire telling the mystical story of. Yeah, and. And they'd really do a good job orchestrating that in the Mad Max series. But here, like this as just a random entry tree. Yeah.

It's supposed to be eight years after the first one. Technically. It's like, you don't know. Yeah, it's like this did not have what?

Drew

01:17:08.352 - 01:17:28.534

Yeah, and at least with the next one, when we talk about it, like, yeah, next week. Check us out. At least it follows, like, the crow storyline. Like it's a new story but with, like, the same elements. Like, it's in the same.

Last week, what you said I thought was really cool is like, when you watch a movie right from the beginning, you realize I like the rules of the universe, right?

Seth

01:17:28.582 - 01:17:28.830

Yeah.

Drew

01:17:28.870 - 01:17:46.222

And so, like, at least with the second art, the third one, it fits in the rules of the universe. This one, it honestly felt like we just, like, found a couple guys at Walmart and like, let's.

Let's just, you know, throw together a quick crow reboot. Yeah, I felt like the reboot, that hasn't happened yet, right? Yeah.

Kyle

01:17:46.286 - 01:17:49.886

Well, this has been awesome, man. And before we sign off, you said you had, you have some shows.

Drew

01:17:49.958 - 01:18:11.298

Yeah. If. If anyone's in the Nashville area, the Franklin area, this Thursday, I have a new show at the Buganope pig in Franklin.

It will be every Thursday at 07:00 p.m. and then on Friday, we're doing a show at Boom boss in East Nashville, which is at 08:00 p.m.

and if you want to check out more information on any of that, just go to Drew Davis comedy on literally anything and you'll find where I put show information.

Kyle

01:18:11.434 - 01:18:11.946

Beautiful.

Seth

01:18:12.018 - 01:18:17.594

November 4, I got a show over in twelve south in Nashville at Marine Lair. So you'll come out.

Kyle

01:18:17.682 - 01:18:21.360

Beautiful. Thank you for hanging out. Next week we're going to do the crow salvation.

Seth

01:18:21.530 - 01:18:26.404

And shockingly, I have better things to say about that movie.

Drew

01:18:26.572 - 01:18:28.204

Come back next week. We'll be nicer.

Kyle

01:18:28.292 - 01:18:36.708

Yeah, it's interesting.

Yeah, it's, it's funny watching these all in succession because I had seen them all over the course of time, but now, like, doing it for the podcast, it's like, it's, it's interesting.

Seth

01:18:36.764 - 01:18:37.188

Yeah.

Kyle

01:18:37.244 - 01:18:40.524

So. But we'll be seeing you, sugarplum. Love, y'all. I'm Kyle.

Seth

01:18:40.612 - 01:18:41.124

Seth.

Drew

01:18:41.212 - 01:18:41.660

Drew.

Kyle

01:18:41.740 - 01:19:01.630

See you. Movie wars.