The Crow: Salvation
Kyle
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Movie wars. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the movie wars podcast. I'm your host. Yeah. Woo.
Drew
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Yeah, we did.
Kyle
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Yeah, we did.
Drew
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Third episode. There's a lot more for everybody else.
Kyle
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Yes. Yes. Can you turn that fucking baby down? This is Kyle.
Seph
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I'm Seph.
Drew
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And I'm Drew.
Kyle
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That's the only quote that's worth. Walton Goggins just randomly swinging to the fences with a turn the fucking baby down quote.
Seph
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You can't get any better than that. I literally didn't even write down a single quote from this movie.
Drew
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That was a good one.
Kyle
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Well, here's one you've got to value your life, says Eric. Maybe is the hallmark actor to Kirsten Dunst, who has a long career and eventually gets in a Von Trier film.
Drew
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And it was because of that quote. She really took it in. And it's like, you know what? I need to.
Kyle
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Yeah. Von Trier called her instant is like, listen, I saw what you did with the maybes kid.
Yeah, I like Hallmark, too, but I also like the Antichrist, Willem Dafoe.
Seph
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Please be depressed in this movie.
Drew
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Please be melancholy. Her awkward, sad development from the beginning to the end where she was like, totally cool murdering the dude. I enjoyed watching that.
Like, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. If all this stuff was happening, like, you wouldn't be okay. And we don't end with her like, oh, she's fine.
We end with, like, I hope there's good therapy that the crow knows, or sounds like he was kind of trying to be the therapist there.
Seph
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But, you know, for those of you who watched last week's episode and watched us completely eviscerate the crow city of angels, you'll be a little surprised. We actually have some positive things to say about the crow salvation.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah. And why it's called the crow's salvation. Salvation from what? The masterpiece. That was the first one.
Seph
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Why are we still.
Drew
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We need it. They were like, please, if this is.
Kyle
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Salvation, then I'm losing my religion. To quote Michael Stipe.
And I was telling the guys before this, the poster, the original poster says in quotation, you know, they always have quotations on the poster. The best of the Crow sequels, all two of them. And that's by dedcommentary.com. and this is in 2005. Primitive Internet and the best of the two.
And it's like, please watch this movie.
Drew
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We promise. It's not like.
Seph
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So, wait, they made that quote five years after the movie came out?
Kyle
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Yeah. Well, no, well, whatever. Yeah, well. Oh, yeah. This is 2000. Sorry, wicked prayer is 2005. Sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mistake 2000. Yeah.
But five years later, people are finally like, this is the best one. Oh, man.
Seph
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We've been disappointed before, but honestly, like.
Drew
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This was a fun movie. This was. It was. You know, I'm not gonna go on any kind of Reddit and be like, this was the best movie that's ever been made. But, like, I dare you.
I watched it today. I was sitting down, I was drinking coffee. It was early in the morning and it was chilled. I was like, this is a fun for what it is.
Seph
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Yeah. It started so strong.
Unfortunately, did kind of unravel by the end, but it had, of the two sequels we've now seen, it definitely had the most potential to live up to its first.
Drew
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It was the best of the sequels.
Seph
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Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
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Well, they did something different here, which I appreciate it.
Seph
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I very much appreciated the whole mystery aspect to it. I thought it was very cool.
Kyle
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Yeah. If you listen to last week, they did a bunch of research and pulled the fans on message boards on how we could do this differently.
Didn't listen to any of it. Did a copy and paste. Even tried to make the guy look almost exactly. Make Vince Perez look almost exactly like Brandon Lee.
They basically did, like 90% of the same formula here. This is a. This is a semi. This is a straight to vhs noir mystery film. And let's be honest, he's not a great detective.
And apparently the crow isn't either. But he's trying.
Seph
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Yes. I will say, of the two, I'm disappointing that. This is the one that went straight to dvd.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seph
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The first one or the, you know, city of angels should definitely have not gone.
Drew
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That one could have gone to dvd.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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VCR at the time, I guess. I don't know this.
Kyle
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With more resources, with a little more budget, maybe with a better actor could have done. And there's some stuff I got some randos that might have told you where they thought this film could have been originally.
Seph
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Okay.
Kyle
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Well, actually, kind of. Yeah, I kind of. It might give you some insights. But, yeah, this is. It's a. More of a murder mystery. We have a different way.
We get the mask, you know, instead of painting it on. It's scarring.
Drew
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Yeah. Which.
Seph
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Okay, just since we're talking about that already. I thought him ripping his face off was stupid as hell.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah.
Seph
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But the resulting scars being in the shape of the crow makeup, I thought was a genius move to avoid the stupidity of someone else painting on, like.
Kyle
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Painting it on his face, having some daughter figure some. Some straddle you and paint it on for some reason.
Seph
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Yes. Weirdly sexual, but never sexual at the same time.
Kyle
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Yes.
Seph
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Yeah. No, this. This did not do that.
Drew
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And.
Seph
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And I think it looked better, too.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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I agree.
Seph
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Yeah. Like, the fact that there were, there were multiple scars on. On that part of the face. It wasn't just the straight through line.
Again, like, I felt like they actually put some better thought into this one.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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The crow gods knew what they were doing.
Seph
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Absolutely.
Drew
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They were, they learned from the. They were like, this is gonna be the best sequel ever.
Right from the beginning of the movie, it, like, it had my interest because it was a different story. It was a dude on death row falsely accused.
Seph
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Yep.
Drew
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And then one thing. One thing I thought about when I was watching the movie, because in the first.
When we watched the first one, one of the things I said I liked was I was like, it's fun seeing, like, the cops as, like, the good guys. Like, they were actually with this movie. Like, and we're back.
Seph
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Yeah, the police.
Kyle
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And these are, these are not good bad cops. You know, Scorsese has his go to dirty cops, is, like, his mobster guys he cast in every movie.
Drew
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That first one, man, I was like, like, right. I was like, oh, we're going there. Like, that's why I like to. Okay, cool. I'm digging the creepy cop.
Kyle
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Yeah. Why? When does a cough get. Or a cup or. God, when does that. Thank you, old granddad.
When does a cop get to unbutton the collar and get the wife beater hanging out? Like, when is that a thing?
Seph
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Oh, my God. I gotta say. And I'm sure you have to either.
Drew
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Be a dirty cop or you have to be, like, an old cop. Like, the lethal weapon.
Seph
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Like, I'm tired.
Drew
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Like, that's when you can do the wife beater.
Kyle
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I'm too old to button this shirt up.
Drew
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Yeah. We're like, don't mess with him. He doesn't button his shirt.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seph
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I will say, I'm sure you're gonna get to this later, and so we can cover this in more detail later. However, this is the first time I have been impressed by the supporting cast.
Drew
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Yes.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seph
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Such a stacked lineup. Walton Goggins, who has now become one of the most recognizable actors around.
Tim Decay, who eventually got his fame in white collar playing Peter Burke.
Drew
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In that, I kept thinking of Peter Burke. I was like, this is his origin story.
Seph
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It's his origin story, but also the complete opposite of who he is later. I loved seeing him in a position where he's not the good guy, where he is a genuinely awful piece of shit.
So I think people were so well utilized in this movie.
Kyle
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A young Kirsten Dunst.
Drew
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Yes, she did great. She was. She was post.
Seph
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Bring it on. Pre Spider man.
Kyle
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Yep. Pre melancholia.
Seph
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It's funny because recently she's been coming out and talking about the pay disparity between her and Tobey Maguire, which already I thought was funny because the movie's called Spider man. The movie's not called Mary Jane.
Drew
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He's the lead actor.
Seph
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Literally. But she was like, I was already. And bring it on. Like, I should have gotten more money.
I'm like, yes, but you were also in the crow's salvation when she's like.
Drew
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I wasn't bringing on. People were like, are you trying to tell us you should get paid less?
Seph
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Yeah.
Drew
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What are you.
Kyle
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And we got William Atherton. And we got Fred Ward. You know, Fred Ward's like, you know, a post. A post taxi drive. Well, I guess you could say post 90. He's like.
He's like Robert De Niro, light post nineties. You know what I mean? He's like, you know, if you could, like, buy discount Robert De Niro at the Dollar general, you would get Fred Ward.
Seph
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Yeah. And meets John what's his face to play the Punisher.
Seph
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Yeah. John Bernthal.
Kyle
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He's like John Bernthal mixed with. He's like a less talented John Bernthal mixed with discount Robert De Niro.
Drew
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Yeah, that. That was fun in this, because I'm not. I don't. I have a hard time remember actor and actress names for the life of me, but, like, it's.
I can identify them from, like, what movie?
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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And so, like, just having never seen this movie before, and. And I've really enjoyed with this series as we've been doing this rewatch. I do as.
I do my best to learn as little as possible before I watch the movie. I love that I can just, like, take it all in for the first time, which was such a disappointment last week, but fun for this week, you.
Kyle
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Know, or you might not actually watch it. It's like you're like, well, if the water's that cold, I don't think I'm gonna swim today.
Drew
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So this was. Cause, like, I had no idea that, like, all this all star cast was here, and it's before a lot of them are all stars. And so it was just fun.
Like, who's gonna be in showing up next?
Seph
00:08:48.082 - 00:08:55.786
So, yeah, this last week, I was mad that I spent the $4 to rent city of Angels this week. I was not mad about it.
Drew
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You're like, this is worth $4.
Kyle
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Wait till you spend $19.99 to rent the reboot.
Seph
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Yeah. Oh, boy.
Drew
00:09:01.494 - 00:09:04.822
Guys, Pluto tv is free, and all the crows are on it.
Kyle
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Really?
Seph
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Even the new one?
Drew
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The whole murder? Maybe not the newer one. Maybe, maybe not. I haven't, but every.
But I feel like all the originals, and then, like, honestly, like, online, just type the movie and then watch free online? Like.
Kyle
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Okay.
Drew
00:09:20.246 - 00:09:20.582
Yeah.
Kyle
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Police.
Seph
00:09:21.790 - 00:09:28.686
Yeah, you can arrest this man. I do not condone pirating movies. You wouldn't download a car. Okay.
Kyle
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Yeah. Or would you?
Seph
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Or would you?
Drew
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If you could, I 100% would download it.
Kyle
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I know kung fu. You know, agreed with a lot of what you said, but the straight to vhs ver. You know, idea of this, I will say one thing.
It is kind of like, you know, I know you're not a sports fan. I haven't. I don't know you well enough. Do you like sports at all?
Seph
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I enjoy them, but I don't follow them.
Kyle
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I'm a die hard sports fan. And. No, I love sports jerseys. And. But they're really expensive.
And it's kind of like when you go to that chinese website thinking, maybe this thing will look exactly like I want. I know it's only. I know it's only $30, and I gotta buy 50 of them to cover the shipping from China, but maybe it will be the.
The cowboy jersey I want. And it shows up and the numbers are backwards and the name played sideways. It's the wrong shade of blue.
Seph
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It's Nikkei instead of Nike.
Drew
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And you commit to. You're like, what? I mean, it's fine. Like, I bought it.
Kyle
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Like, yeah, I'll wear this. That's kind of what this is. It's like, you know, it is. You know, it's a straight division.
And we talked about, with the last episode with the City of Angels, they were going to do a widespread release of this film. It only aired in one theater. I think it was, like, in Spokane, some random city. But it wasn't just the failure. The first one was not profitable.
Although. Although it was the biggest release on Labor Day, at the time it broke Labor Day records. The fan base, the critics, it was.
It was just shat on, you know? And it was two years removed from Brandon Lee, this cult figure, which some argue.
I don't agree with this, but some argue the reason the movie was so successful was because of his death. I disagree. I think it has merit on its own. But say that is the case.
You gave it two years, Brandon Lee's barely settled in his grave, and they're already doing like. And we got Harvey and Bob Weinstein cutting the thing up.
Drew
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Yeah. I was like, it's not like they did like, if they did it well after the two years, it might be like, wow, this was such a testament to.
It'd be like a fast and furious seven, if you will.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Seph
00:11:21.590 - 00:11:25.822
We're like, there's his contractually obligated fast and furious reference, ladies and gentlemen.
Drew
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It was a good tribute. It's the fact that it's like, if I just pooped in this cigarette tray, and if you're a listener, there's a cigarette tray in front of me.
I'm not lying. And then I was like, here's my tribute. You'd be like, no.
Kyle
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Yes.
Seph
00:11:41.838 - 00:12:01.588
Okay, I gotta talk about the cigar ashtray for a second. This is an antique cigar ashtray from 1960, made by Pfizer, and I bought it in 2021.
I just felt like it was very appropriate to remember that Pfizer was giving people cigarette and ashtrays. So take that as you will, ladies and gentlemen.
Kyle
00:12:01.684 - 00:12:02.972
Yeah, inject that shit.
Seph
00:12:03.036 - 00:12:03.680
Yeah.
Drew
00:12:04.820 - 00:12:07.020
A lot of people do. It's a real problem.
Kyle
00:12:07.100 - 00:12:09.524
Oh, that's a thing. It's a thing.
Seph
00:12:09.612 - 00:12:11.800
Injecting nicotine straight in their arms.
Kyle
00:12:13.300 - 00:12:25.480
Yeah.
And I think one thing you see, too, and one degrading element, and, you know, I haven't watched wicked prayer in a very long time, so I can't speak to that because I can't remember. That's a movie I didn't, like, wasn't dying to revisit.
Drew
00:12:25.560 - 00:12:32.736
I've been told by numerous people there's just like, it's, be careful. They keep telling me, like, don't want. Just do yourself a favor and not watch it.
Kyle
00:12:32.768 - 00:12:33.976
Dennis Opera ruins his life.
Drew
00:12:34.008 - 00:12:35.456
I was like, I am going to watch it.
Seph
00:12:35.488 - 00:12:37.616
I'm contractually obligated to watch this movie.
Drew
00:12:37.648 - 00:12:41.460
This movie is going to exist in my head.
Kyle
00:12:41.840 - 00:12:43.300
It's going to harden you.
Drew
00:12:45.320 - 00:12:48.280
Is that the next one? I can't wait to watch it if it's as bad as everybody.
Kyle
00:12:48.360 - 00:13:24.348
Yeah, it's one of those. That's fun to watch with friends is comedically bad, but, yeah, you know, the. The lack. It's funny with each entry so far. One.
One thing that really intrigues me is how they. One thing that I think is, is bad for the franchise, no matter what the story is, is that the.
The physicality of the protagonist has decreased over time. Vincent Perez, although he was physical and did things we talked about, one of the reasons Brandon Lee was so successful because he was so poetic.
He was like water. He was. It wasn't just the fighting. It was how he talked and how he moved. And he was this physical, nonverbal presence. Vincent Perez had none of that.
Seph
00:13:24.444 - 00:13:25.172
But he's still.
Kyle
00:13:25.276 - 00:13:26.652
He's still pummeling people.
Seph
00:13:26.716 - 00:13:27.236
Yeah. Yeah.
Drew
00:13:27.308 - 00:13:29.996
A little physical, but it's telegraph. Yeah.
Kyle
00:13:30.068 - 00:13:38.332
Here. There were moments when he was going after the villains or whatever. I'm like, is. Oh, wait, he's. Is he doing anything? Oh, okay. He's gonna punch a guy.
Drew
00:13:38.356 - 00:13:38.844
Like, yeah.
Seph
00:13:38.932 - 00:13:46.188
But then at the same time, there were moments where I was like, this is one of the most badass things I've seen in a pre 2002 movie.
Kyle
00:13:46.284 - 00:13:47.636
There was one, the car one.
Seph
00:13:47.668 - 00:13:50.076
The car said, so good.
Kyle
00:13:50.148 - 00:14:01.464
Yeah, that was the one. And what to. To really shit on City of Angels here. That kill was better than any kill in City of Angels. Yes. Shitty.
Seph
00:14:01.512 - 00:14:01.856
Yes.
Kyle
00:14:01.928 - 00:14:09.336
That was well done. Well done. Actually, that's movie wars. That's movie wars legacy right there. Playing puns and playing words. We gotta bring it back.
Seph
00:14:09.408 - 00:14:10.016
Hell yes.
Drew
00:14:10.088 - 00:14:11.832
Trying to honor Drew 1.0.
Kyle
00:14:11.896 - 00:14:19.254
Yes. Yes. Drew is the master. And. But, yeah, that was cool. When I was. I didn't expect it, honestly.
Seph
00:14:19.302 - 00:14:48.174
Like, so I was expecting when. Cause I was. It was like, as soon as he started driving was like, oh, they're gonna crash into something. Neither of them are buckled.
I was expecting it to be this super overdramatic moment where they, like, fly through the windshield and they're like, ah, in slow motion. No, it was so visceral. Just the moment where they both fly through that windshield, hit the truck, and it's like, 3 seconds.
You really don't have time to, like, process it until after it's happened. I thought that was so well done.
Drew
00:14:48.222 - 00:14:50.686
Yeah, I literally, when I watched, I was like, oh, okay.
Seph
00:14:50.718 - 00:14:58.998
Yeah, yeah, that's the moment I, like, really tried to take it seriously, and then it sadly disappointed me after that. But great moment.
Drew
00:14:59.054 - 00:15:06.958
I like, I liked his, like, even though he was less physical than the other crows, which is probably not the technical term for them, but.
Kyle
00:15:07.054 - 00:15:13.198
No, I think so. Yeah. Physicality in general, and that doesn't just mean pummeling. Physicality can be like, yeah, I felt like his.
Drew
00:15:13.294 - 00:15:43.154
His dialogue and his vibe was like, the things he was saying. I kind of dug that a little bit more.
And what I've really liked that they've done in all three movies is they give once they're resurrected and they have the crow in them. They have this weird, manic personality that it started with Brandon Lee. And whether it's been good or bad, the others have done their version of it.
Even Jonah. Jonah Earl, when he got crowed.
Kyle
00:15:43.242 - 00:15:43.626
Yeah.
Drew
00:15:43.698 - 00:15:46.538
Which, again, I'm sure the crows would tell me there's get a little bit.
Kyle
00:15:46.554 - 00:15:48.018
Of crow when you go straight to.
Drew
00:15:48.034 - 00:15:58.122
Your head and you get that same manic energy. And I've enjoyed watching all their different interpretations of the manic energy.
Seph
00:15:58.186 - 00:15:58.650
Definitely.
Drew
00:15:58.730 - 00:16:02.314
I can't wait when we finally have a movie from the crow's perspective and get it straight from the source.
Seph
00:16:02.362 - 00:16:02.754
Yes.
Kyle
00:16:02.842 - 00:16:03.154
Yeah.
Seph
00:16:03.202 - 00:16:05.690
And maybe Harvey Weinstein, if you're watching.
Kyle
00:16:05.730 - 00:16:11.046
From prison, enjoy your algae eaten penis or whatever. What is that disease he has?
Seph
00:16:11.138 - 00:16:16.750
Has like a. I think it's like his taint is rotting, is what it is. Yeah. Apparently, it's just disgust.
Kyle
00:16:16.870 - 00:16:23.950
I have a feeling I know why. Maybe it turned, turned one of your favorite things that you loved in the first one, the flashbacks.
Seph
00:16:23.990 - 00:16:24.198
I mean.
Kyle
00:16:24.214 - 00:16:25.974
Yeah, they're fucking unforgivable.
Seph
00:16:26.062 - 00:16:26.590
Absolutely.
Kyle
00:16:26.630 - 00:16:32.342
In this one, they are. The second one, we're bad. This is, this is, this is malpractice.
Seph
00:16:32.446 - 00:16:51.022
Drawn out over sappy and dramatic. It was. It was beyond hallmark. It was edging into lifetime movie territory as far as, like, how bad those flash.
Like, my God, it just, they're sitting there and dancing, and then it's like, oh, but did she. She was cheating on him. I felt like she hated him.
Drew
00:16:51.126 - 00:16:55.254
I was like, are you sure you want to avenge this one? Like, yeah, like.
Seph
00:16:55.342 - 00:16:57.022
Like, she's kind of a bitch.
Kyle
00:16:57.086 - 00:17:02.622
Yeah, yeah. And, you know, british accent, and they're doing some weird kung fu they made up and.
Drew
00:17:02.686 - 00:17:10.270
Yeah, they were trying. It was like, I feel like someone when they were trying, like, this is adorable. Yeah, this is. This is.
It was a single guy who's like, this is what couples do.
Seph
00:17:10.310 - 00:17:14.480
You can almost hear the director behind the camera being just like, this is cool.
Kyle
00:17:15.820 - 00:17:21.372
Yeah. And this is one of the few times in my life watching a movie, I'm like, they're forcing me to watch this.
Seph
00:17:21.436 - 00:17:21.660
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:21.700 - 00:17:26.940
Like, I'm being forced. I watch this because I have a podcast. Like, I. I was angry.
Seph
00:17:27.020 - 00:17:27.396
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:27.468 - 00:17:30.756
I was like, you. I was like, the first half, I'm like, there's some stuff.
Seph
00:17:30.788 - 00:17:31.724
And we're coming solid.
Kyle
00:17:31.772 - 00:17:33.252
Yeah, we're coming off city of angels.
Seph
00:17:33.316 - 00:17:33.532
Yeah.
Kyle
00:17:33.556 - 00:17:39.772
It gets a little bit of a bogey for being straight to video, but I'm seeing things here that are. It's different. It's creative, but I don't.
Seph
00:17:39.916 - 00:17:44.762
Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't think they knew when they were shooting it. It was going to be direct to video.
Kyle
00:17:44.956 - 00:17:45.670
No, they didn't.
Seph
00:17:45.710 - 00:18:13.446
Yeah, they were assuming it was gonna be a theatrical release and I could. Here's the thing about the second one that bothered me so much. You could tell that it was not a passion project like the first one. Yeah, first one.
Every single person in front of and behind the camera, you could feel that they were genuinely making something they wanted to make. The second one, not a single person gave me the attitude of, we're all in this to make something cool.
Kyle
00:18:13.518 - 00:18:15.390
They were cashing in on Lee's legacy.
Seph
00:18:15.470 - 00:18:21.242
Absolutely. Third one. However, at least for the first half, I felt like everyone actually gave a shit.
Drew
00:18:21.306 - 00:18:51.778
Yeah, it seemed like they, either they were having a good time or they were being good actors and doing their job. Like, I did enjoy, like the story, I enjoyed the actors performances. It did kind of. The point it kind of went.
Got boring for me was when he kind of killed his last guy and he was going for the. When he got, like. Was going for the military guy, like when he was, like, when at the end. Because like, how did he get this?
I was gonna ask you guys this cuz I feel like I missed something. How did he get vulnerable? Was it cuz he finished his task and he lost his power?
Kyle
00:18:51.834 - 00:18:53.186
I think so. Yeah, yeah.
Drew
00:18:53.218 - 00:18:53.762
Cuz that was.
Kyle
00:18:53.826 - 00:18:54.818
It's not very clear.
Drew
00:18:54.874 - 00:19:15.320
Yeah, yeah, and that's, that's where I was like. Cuz in the last one I felt like the director's like, how do I end this? Oh, I know, a beam of crows takes away.
Yeah, and this one they're like, how do we end this one? Yeah, I guess we'll just. So. Yeah, yeah, and that, that part would. That was right about when he was like on that table was.
And I was like, are we still going?
Seph
00:19:15.980 - 00:19:28.652
Yeah, there unfortunately were several times like, I literally paused the movie where I thought we were like gonna hit the third, final part of the, you know, the third act. And then I realized I had 40 minutes left in the movie.
Kyle
00:19:28.676 - 00:19:29.268
Yeah.
Seph
00:19:29.444 - 00:19:31.012
I was like, oh God, no.
Kyle
00:19:31.076 - 00:19:33.068
We're gonna get into attack dawn ending here.
Seph
00:19:33.124 - 00:19:44.912
Yeah, I literally, I literally just started working out because I was so bored by that. Yeah, there's some dumbbells right off camera there and I literally just stood right there watching this movie.
Drew
00:19:44.976 - 00:19:45.472
If you're listening.
Kyle
00:19:45.496 - 00:19:46.100
Whoa.
Seph
00:19:47.120 - 00:19:48.736
Badass motherfucker right here.
Kyle
00:19:48.768 - 00:19:54.056
Holy. Yeah. Speaking of inflation. Oh God.
Seph
00:19:54.088 - 00:19:54.808
Thanks, Joe Biden.
Kyle
00:19:54.864 - 00:20:10.322
Yes. You know one thing too, at first I didn't love this, but I think it's more like time and context. Like we talk a lot about time and context.
The first one, one thing I loved is how there's, we talked about how little exposition there was and they really let the visuals scream.
Seph
00:20:10.386 - 00:20:10.890
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:11.010 - 00:20:23.530
And I love how Brandon Lee explored learning his powers. When he's jumping on the roof, he's like, the second one, there's almost, no, there's not a lot of that.
He's not really falling in love with his powers. He's not like slowly. He's kind of just like, there.
Drew
00:20:23.570 - 00:20:29.194
Like everything about would have been this story. If he was a reluctant crow and he was trying to figure out how to stay. I'm telling you, they could have.
Kyle
00:20:29.242 - 00:20:29.730
Yeah.
Drew
00:20:29.850 - 00:20:33.514
Hire me to reboot. Yeah, shitty of angels.
Kyle
00:20:33.602 - 00:20:45.340
But everything, yes, everything was so rushed. But in this one, they, and the reason I actually thought I didn't love it, but I do respect it. They purposely wanted to get a younger crow.
Seph
00:20:45.420 - 00:20:45.796
Yeah.
Kyle
00:20:45.868 - 00:20:56.700
And funny enough, I don't even have this in my randos, but Eric Mabias did audition to be the crow in the first one. Oh, yeah, he actually auditioned, but they just said he was too young. Yeah, they wanted a young crow.
Drew
00:20:56.820 - 00:20:58.580
I love that he got this role then.
Seph
00:20:58.660 - 00:21:01.044
It's crazy. That was seven years later.
Kyle
00:21:01.132 - 00:21:03.476
Yeah. It means, and he still looked like a child.
Drew
00:21:03.588 - 00:21:05.636
It was like, I still have faith in.
Kyle
00:21:05.828 - 00:21:16.364
Yeah, I can do this. Well, I mean, they castigated him to the Hallmark channel. He did a lot of hallmark work. The director himself, I looked like.
Not a lot of notable credits outside of this movie.
Seph
00:21:16.412 - 00:21:24.764
Yeah. But he, yeah, that's saying something. If I don't recognize any project you've done, you're not doing.
Kyle
00:21:24.812 - 00:21:25.044
Yeah.
Drew
00:21:25.092 - 00:21:27.480
What a cast. How did he get all these people?
Seph
00:21:27.900 - 00:22:25.104
Weinstein, Harvey Miramax.
When you look, here's, here's the unfortunate thing about the nineties through the early aughts is that Miramax had a stranglehold on the entertainment industry in general. Harvey Weinstein was the fucking man. Every movie that he put out at some point was going to make back at least a little.
Even if it made back a dollar, it was going to make back the money that he put in to it. If you had Harvey Weinstein as your executive producer, there was a really high chance that it was going to do okay. So when you.
Yeah, and as a young Kirsten Dunst, as a Walton goggins who's never done anything of note by then, Tim decay, all these people who, who had a little, just enough to have some notoriety, they all saw that Harvey Weinstein was on board and they were like, cool. This is going to be at least something decent.
Kyle
00:22:25.152 - 00:22:27.208
So dimension did the distribution.
Seph
00:22:27.344 - 00:22:29.696
Okay. I was wondering, because they also.
Kyle
00:22:29.768 - 00:22:32.200
They were also the production, though.
Seph
00:22:32.240 - 00:22:33.400
Miramax was the one who produced.
Drew
00:22:33.440 - 00:22:33.632
Okay.
Kyle
00:22:33.656 - 00:22:53.992
Yeah. Because you. That's not. Yeah. It's not the same. Like, you can have one distribution and so you can have several production companies.
Yeah, you're right. Because you got Kiersten Dunst at a weird moment in her career where she's kind of a young Walton Goggins.
Yeah, it's pretty wild how they got these folks. In the next one. You got Edward Furlong, Tara Reid, and Dennis Hopper. So, I mean, somehow was one of my crushes.
Drew
00:22:54.016 - 00:22:57.400
I'm excited. I'm already thinking. I already think the next one's my favorite.
Kyle
00:22:57.480 - 00:23:01.620
Yeah. I don't want to tarot read into that, you know?
Drew
00:23:03.400 - 00:23:04.640
Do we have our first female?
Kyle
00:23:04.680 - 00:23:14.500
She's the crow. Yes. Yes. American crow. Furlong. Is this is post rehab Edward Furlong. Yeah, probably. Yeah.
Drew
00:23:15.040 - 00:23:17.584
I mean, what if you guys are going to be.
Kyle
00:23:17.752 - 00:23:28.010
I love that you're asking these questions because you guys are going to be shocked by the premise of, of the wicked prince. It's gonna blow you away. Yeah. At least they tried something, I guess.
Seph
00:23:28.510 - 00:23:30.942
Yeah, this one tried something.
Kyle
00:23:31.086 - 00:23:36.790
Yeah, it did. And it did. Yeah. And I like the electric. I like the electric chair. I like, I like the new elements here.
Drew
00:23:36.830 - 00:23:40.022
Revenge, his own murder. Unjust charge.
Seph
00:23:40.086 - 00:23:50.194
Yeah. And I will say I did the biggest question I had after watching this whole movie.
How the hell do you peel your own face off and have a better face underneath?
Kyle
00:23:50.242 - 00:23:50.770
That's true.
Seph
00:23:50.850 - 00:23:51.978
Like, how did that happen?
Drew
00:23:52.034 - 00:23:53.790
Crows, man, I guess.
Kyle
00:23:54.250 - 00:23:56.674
Yeah. Yeah. He's got that Judah Earl in him.
Drew
00:23:56.722 - 00:23:58.234
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:23:58.322 - 00:23:59.586
Judah always looked good.
Drew
00:23:59.698 - 00:24:04.690
Judah. Judah was up there after being sucked into the crow vortex. Like, I got you, buddy.
Seph
00:24:04.730 - 00:24:05.114
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:05.202 - 00:24:10.690
Judah Earl, he's got the best face cream regimen of any villain in any movie.
Drew
00:24:10.850 - 00:24:12.370
Right? Like. Cause he didn't ever die.
Kyle
00:24:12.410 - 00:24:14.858
He just evaporated. CGI.
Drew
00:24:14.914 - 00:24:15.082
Yeah.
Seph
00:24:15.106 - 00:24:17.810
He just in Crow hell. So he could easily come back.
Kyle
00:24:17.850 - 00:24:23.580
I've listened, I've read a lot and listened to a lot of podcasts. No one knows what the hell happened to Judah Earl.
Seph
00:24:23.700 - 00:24:25.540
We just comes back as a pelican.
Kyle
00:24:25.620 - 00:24:26.260
That'd be funny.
Seph
00:24:26.300 - 00:24:28.684
That'd be great. I would so be down with that.
Kyle
00:24:28.772 - 00:24:30.100
Every bird has a job to do.
Drew
00:24:30.140 - 00:25:03.604
Also, I didn't think about this for the second episode, but I made a point today that I wanted to say this.
I want to recant something I said in the first episode when we were talking about what would be a good bird to like instead of the crow, what would be another movie to have, like, that guiding spirit animal. And we all agreed that Condor.
I feel like I started that, and I've discovered that is such a dumb answer compared to the correct answer, which is it should have been an ostrich. Can you imagine this movie with an. Or a peacock? I'm kind of undecided, but, like, a flightless bird is the one that's just running around.
Seph
00:25:03.732 - 00:25:05.324
I mean, I did say penguin.
Drew
00:25:05.412 - 00:25:05.860
That's true.
Seph
00:25:05.900 - 00:25:08.236
You did? I did say penguin. So, yeah.
Drew
00:25:08.268 - 00:25:14.804
Can you imagine a gang of penguins, like, picking the kind of rock I can, and they can't fly. They can't fly. They gotta just run off the screen.
Kyle
00:25:14.852 - 00:25:22.352
Yes. It's gonna take the protagonist, like, a year to find the next villainous doster's just like, I'll be there in a minute.
Seph
00:25:22.496 - 00:25:24.240
I'm gonna run. I don't walk.
Kyle
00:25:24.320 - 00:25:27.920
Evolution. Skip me. I just walk. I got wings, but they don't work.
Seph
00:25:28.040 - 00:25:29.160
They're too tiny.
Kyle
00:25:29.240 - 00:25:30.940
My eggs are tasty, though.
Seph
00:25:31.800 - 00:25:34.340
Can feed a whole village on one egg.
Drew
00:25:34.640 - 00:25:50.472
That's how the other people get the gross flowers. They take the eggs and serving up breakfast, like, eat all of this except chives. Who wants cheese on there?
Jonah's like, I got a great biscuit gravy recipe you guys are gonna love.
Kyle
00:25:50.536 - 00:26:09.972
I love that we keep running with his birdhouse. It is funny. Like, it's. It does make things, like, well, why? What other creatures could have taken the soul out of the ground?
Before I get to the questions, quick call to action. Just, hey, if you love this podcast, share with your friends. I know you got a friend out there that loves the crow salvation. That loves it.
Make sure they have this in their pocket.
Seph
00:26:09.996 - 00:26:15.460
Look, even if they like Terminator salvation, it shares a word, so just send it to that person.
Drew
00:26:15.500 - 00:26:25.234
I think you should be the good friend in the relationship. And even if they don't even know the crow salvation exists, share this with them and be like. And just. You're welcome, is all you have to.
Kyle
00:26:25.242 - 00:26:27.546
Say, lest you be saved. Yes.
Seph
00:26:27.618 - 00:26:28.130
Yes.
Kyle
00:26:28.250 - 00:26:37.578
All right. I only got one question. He liked that. I just said it. You love. I love it when you say something else that was literally just the Pez dispenser brain.
Like, whatever's next.
Drew
00:26:37.634 - 00:26:38.830
The statement. Yeah.
Kyle
00:26:40.850 - 00:26:45.114
I don't know why I write questions like, I'm a show. Like a talk show host. I literally.
Seph
00:26:45.242 - 00:26:47.034
I wrote this kind of what this is.
Kyle
00:26:47.082 - 00:26:48.242
Yeah, it is true.
Drew
00:26:48.306 - 00:26:50.744
I wrote this, like, couches and everything. Yeah.
Kyle
00:26:50.922 - 00:27:07.932
What is this? The crow TED talk edition. Value your life. Could we have called it that?
Because, listen, I agree with everything we're saying about the positives here, but it's a little cheesy that at every opportunity, Alex Corvus is, like, value your life. He's, like, giving. He's, like, giving a motivational message.
Seph
00:27:07.996 - 00:27:12.612
Freeze the stripper from the strip of the pole. It's just like, value your life.
Kyle
00:27:12.756 - 00:27:13.484
I'm just like.
Drew
00:27:13.532 - 00:27:14.920
I know. It's like, okay.
Seph
00:27:15.220 - 00:27:20.010
I'm like, I get it. You came back, but literally, you were dead for all of ten minutes.
Drew
00:27:20.140 - 00:27:25.742
But, yeah, he was like. He was on death row. He was unjustly accused of a murder.
Kyle
00:27:25.886 - 00:27:27.638
He's learned the system failed you.
Seph
00:27:27.694 - 00:27:30.638
Like, did have three years to sit and.
Drew
00:27:30.774 - 00:27:36.182
Yeah, I feel like. Yeah, like, he's like, he might be, like, a nicer guy than the other two girls.
Kyle
00:27:36.246 - 00:27:36.894
Yeah.
Drew
00:27:37.062 - 00:27:38.126
Like, I wouldn't.
Kyle
00:27:38.158 - 00:27:39.342
Draven was a rock star.
Drew
00:27:39.446 - 00:27:43.054
Yeah, he's still. I mean, he still was the best he could. He could knock them all out.
Seph
00:27:43.102 - 00:27:47.798
I still don't really know what. Fucking ash was a mechanic. Oh, was he?
Kyle
00:27:47.814 - 00:27:51.166
Okay, but you have to read to find that.
Seph
00:27:51.238 - 00:27:52.702
Apparently it's not.
Kyle
00:27:52.886 - 00:27:56.886
No clue, because his auto shop looked like the rest of fucking rundown city.
Seph
00:27:56.958 - 00:27:58.990
I didn't even know his auto shop.
Kyle
00:27:59.070 - 00:28:03.510
Yeah, yeah, it looks like someone broke into an old auto shop, but that's his auto shop.
Drew
00:28:03.670 - 00:28:07.166
Did we ever learn what this guy was? Other than a convict? I feel like we should call him a felon.
Kyle
00:28:07.238 - 00:28:13.414
A guy that generates flashbacks. A dude who fucked a british girl who made up kung fu.
Drew
00:28:13.462 - 00:28:18.988
Yeah, a guy with a hot girlfriend. That's all we need. Like, okay, we're cool with him as the hero of the story.
Kyle
00:28:19.044 - 00:28:21.596
There's sexy british accents, and then there's the one in this movie.
Seph
00:28:21.628 - 00:28:25.540
All you need is a good dick. And apparently you can just be a great action hero.
Kyle
00:28:25.620 - 00:28:26.020
Yes.
Drew
00:28:26.100 - 00:28:33.988
I still think it's weird that throughout these movies, there's never someone who's like, oh, yeah, this. This same thing happened five years ago.
Seph
00:28:34.044 - 00:28:34.276
Yeah.
Drew
00:28:34.308 - 00:29:22.664
What we need to do. Or, like, at this point, people are like. And that is kind of my. One of my, like, my complaint of the movie.
Although I think, to answer the question, if it was a tech todd, I think at some point, someone in this universe would be like, stop murdering people, because they may come back with the spirit of a crow and kill you and everybody else. Yeah, I said this in the last one, but the last one kind of did follow this circumstance.
It being the third movie, like, the stakes need to be higher. So, like, the first one, he was avenging the person that killed his lover, and that was kind of the thing.
The second one, you had, like, a evil crow could kind of play the field. The play the field. Yeah, they were just the third one, they had the strip club where they were playing the field at. It's great.
And this one, like, it just seemed like there just wasn't as much stakes. Especially by the end.
Seph
00:29:22.752 - 00:29:23.160
Yeah.
Drew
00:29:23.240 - 00:29:30.584
Like, at the end, I was like, I didn't care about the boss fight, whereas the other two, they built it up to a moment where the boss fights.
Seph
00:29:30.632 - 00:29:45.288
Yeah, this definitely felt like the most wasted big bad guy because, yeah, there was a little bit of mystery of, oh, he's really the corrupt one who's letting the corruption get through. But you never really felt for the good cop.
Kyle
00:29:45.344 - 00:29:45.576
Yeah.
Seph
00:29:45.608 - 00:29:57.528
Like, you. You didn't get enough development with him.
Even though I did think the chess idea was a cool thing to add to it, you never really got any emotional connection like you did with. With Ernie Hudson in the first movie.
Drew
00:29:57.584 - 00:30:02.680
He was there so that you could feel worse about the bad. Exact whole point in that was to eventually be killed.
Seph
00:30:02.760 - 00:30:03.438
Exactly.
Drew
00:30:03.544 - 00:30:04.058
Frustrating.
Seph
00:30:04.114 - 00:30:08.754
And it was such a lame death to just be like, oh, I'm gonna shoot you. Okay, there we go.
Kyle
00:30:08.882 - 00:30:21.314
And then they try to fool you with the friend lawyer whose arm is gone, and they're trying to make you think and like. But by that time, like you said, like, when you see there's 40 minutes left, by that time, I'm like, I don't care. Yeah, make it be the lawyer.
I don't care.
Seph
00:30:21.362 - 00:30:26.530
If they had made that movie an hour and 15 minutes, it could have been a fan fucking testing.
Drew
00:30:26.570 - 00:30:34.226
Yeah, that would have been a good shorter movie. Was there any point to the scars of the guy, like, the screws and, like, did that end up coming to play for anything?
Kyle
00:30:34.258 - 00:30:54.598
That's another big thing that that's something people do. I researched it. Like, people do that. But it's not common knowledge that people put metal in their arms to make scar looking things.
And the fact that they. I mean, they predicated the whole premise on the finding the scar ardam. But most people I know, a lot of weird, random shit.
I didn't know people shoved metal into their arms.
Seph
00:30:54.654 - 00:30:57.406
Okay, so hold on. Am I the only one with tattoos out of the three of us?
Kyle
00:30:57.478 - 00:30:57.910
Yeah.
Seph
00:30:57.990 - 00:31:24.216
Okay, so as a tattoo connoisseur, my entire arm, I've got tattoos all in other places I have known about. And usually it's silicone. Like people. I don't know how it was back in the day.
But as far as, like, when I've been getting tattoos, it's silicone that people will put under to have, like, this raised kind of situation. So I did know it was a thing. I did not feel any purpose for it in this movie other than it was an identifier. And you're wondering, who's the scarlet?
Drew
00:31:24.248 - 00:31:28.540
I thought so. Do you ever, like, accidentally write a better movie than what you're watching?
Seph
00:31:29.120 - 00:31:30.952
Every time I watch, the whole time.
Drew
00:31:30.976 - 00:31:37.672
I'm watching this with the better. I thought they were gonna be the things from the second movie that he used to stab the crow and get the power from.
Kyle
00:31:37.736 - 00:31:38.256
Oh, yeah.
Drew
00:31:38.328 - 00:31:43.600
And I was like. I was like, that could have been cool, right? I was like, so if, like, I was figuring at some point he's gonna take him out.
Kyle
00:31:43.720 - 00:31:45.632
See, that would force them to do logic.
Seph
00:31:45.696 - 00:31:49.160
Yeah. Like, actual writing, trying to play within.
Drew
00:31:49.200 - 00:31:51.896
The rules of this universe. And the movies are like, we don't do that anymore.
Kyle
00:31:51.928 - 00:31:54.728
How dare you challenge the best crow sequel.
Seph
00:31:54.784 - 00:31:55.184
Yes.
Kyle
00:31:55.272 - 00:31:56.928
Out of the two. I know.
Drew
00:31:57.064 - 00:31:57.784
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:57.952 - 00:31:59.416
The best crow sequel ever.
Seph
00:31:59.488 - 00:32:04.948
Which is sad because. Because at the time, that is true. It was the better of the two crow sequels.
Kyle
00:32:05.004 - 00:32:06.308
We got a lot of work to do, though.
Seph
00:32:06.364 - 00:32:06.652
Yeah.
Drew
00:32:06.716 - 00:32:08.956
Terror reads in the next one, so we already know that's gonna be.
Kyle
00:32:08.988 - 00:32:09.524
That's true.
Seph
00:32:09.612 - 00:32:12.520
If she doesn't show her tits, I don't know if it's worth it.
Kyle
00:32:13.740 - 00:32:29.170
Yeah, man. So. And I, you know, it is weird, I guess, for me. Like, I took it a different way.
This guy was betrayed by the system, you know, and he was wrongfully accused, wrongfully convicted, and he was killed for it and lost his life.
Seph
00:32:29.300 - 00:32:31.134
Which, again, really cool part point.
Kyle
00:32:31.182 - 00:32:34.558
Yeah, yeah. But it comes out the end, positive. I'd be like, fuck the system.
Seph
00:32:34.654 - 00:32:35.006
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:35.078 - 00:32:41.134
Instead of telling the stripper to value your life, I'd be like, don't ever get arrested because they will f you. They will put you in the chair.
Seph
00:32:41.262 - 00:32:43.090
God forbid you be black.
Kyle
00:32:44.030 - 00:32:57.894
And again, that. That's part of the problem with it being straight to video is like, they did this in the first one when he's squeezing the morphine of her arm.
But that's heavy. He's squeezing drugs. And he just killed her boyfriend by stabbing him with eight freaking syringes of heroin.
Seph
00:32:57.942 - 00:32:58.262
Yeah.
Kyle
00:32:58.326 - 00:33:07.918
You know, and, like. And that was heavy. And he knew her daughter, and so there was. And it was very unassuming but very, like, hard to watch.
This is just like, value your life, you know?
Seph
00:33:07.974 - 00:33:11.330
It's like, I don't know who you are. But value your life value.
Drew
00:33:11.630 - 00:33:15.302
He's just a nicer dude. Like, he just got the second chance. He's like, well, let me go.
Seph
00:33:15.366 - 00:33:16.810
Maybe that's a super power.
Kyle
00:33:18.430 - 00:33:37.392
Yeah.
And also, they zoomed in on her arm, and I had to research this because, like, I was like, are they trying to make it seem like those are track marks from heroin? And that is what they were trying to do. But, like, those don't look like collapsed veins that, you know, I'm a die hard.
We talked about this in the first episode. Nineties Seattle music. I know what track marks.
Drew
00:33:37.456 - 00:33:39.360
I really thought you're. I'm a die hard heron fan.
Kyle
00:33:39.400 - 00:33:40.980
I'm a die hard track.
Drew
00:33:43.960 - 00:33:46.400
And then you're like, we've talked about this before. I'm like, I'm pretty sure we haven't.
Seph
00:33:46.440 - 00:33:47.768
I don't think we did.
Kyle
00:33:47.944 - 00:33:49.128
We were at Waffle House.
Seph
00:33:49.184 - 00:33:50.500
Remember the drugs?
Kyle
00:33:50.920 - 00:33:57.432
But I'm like, they were. It was so fast, and the lights were pulsating. There were, like, bumps on her arm, and, like, why did they show us that?
Seph
00:33:57.456 - 00:33:58.612
Like, could have been zits.
Kyle
00:33:58.676 - 00:34:01.440
Those could have been zits. Like, value your life. You have acne.
Drew
00:34:02.460 - 00:34:05.084
See, that's what I love about, like, crappy movies.
Kyle
00:34:05.172 - 00:34:05.436
Yeah.
Drew
00:34:05.468 - 00:34:10.732
Is when you see that efforts were made. It just was something stupid.
Kyle
00:34:10.796 - 00:34:11.156
Yeah.
Drew
00:34:11.228 - 00:34:13.036
Then I'm like, you know what? Cool. Okay.
Seph
00:34:13.108 - 00:34:14.004
They tried, at least.
Drew
00:34:14.052 - 00:34:14.380
Yeah.
Seph
00:34:14.460 - 00:34:16.740
It's, like, more than you could say about the second one.
Kyle
00:34:16.820 - 00:34:29.732
It's like how, like, when parents name their kids and they don't have a creative bone in their body, but, like, when they decide to have a kid, like, all of a sudden they're creative, and they're gonna name their kid, like, they're gonna, like, do a crazy version of, like, Kyle spelled k I g.
Drew
00:34:29.756 - 00:34:33.655
A. I get so annoyed with those parents when I meet their kids.
Kyle
00:34:33.767 - 00:34:34.943
That's, like, what this is when you.
Drew
00:34:34.951 - 00:34:38.143
Have to spell the names. I'm just like, what? I'm not spelling that way.
Kyle
00:34:38.191 - 00:34:41.031
These folks are never gonna get to do a mainstream film.
Seph
00:34:41.095 - 00:34:41.479
Yeah.
Kyle
00:34:41.559 - 00:34:53.191
And so they're like, how creative can we be? Like, zoom in on the arm. It's like, well, what are the. They'll know. Like, are you sure? Yeah, they'll know. Those are track marks.
Like, well, they kind of look like just bumps, and the lights are kind of crazy. Do it.
Seph
00:34:53.255 - 00:34:56.767
Yeah. Don't get it.
Drew
00:34:56.903 - 00:35:05.322
You know, there had to be, like, one person was like, like, this is the best thesis. Everyone else is like, let Jeff have this.
Seph
00:35:05.386 - 00:35:23.506
I have been on so many local sets where I'm watching the director and the screenwriter and the producer all behind the camera watching the most pointless shot I've ever seen happen in, like, their Nolan film. And they're just like, we are gonna change lives.
Drew
00:35:23.578 - 00:35:23.970
Yes.
Kyle
00:35:24.050 - 00:35:24.514
Yeah.
Seph
00:35:24.602 - 00:35:28.624
We're gonna change everyone's life. Who sees this? And then no one sees it.
Kyle
00:35:28.742 - 00:35:29.308
Yeah.
Drew
00:35:29.444 - 00:36:03.020
I wrote a sketch for a reel, and then we, like, filmed it and did it, and it was like. But it was like, there's like, there was a, like, a dream sequence, like, where I says, at a gym. So I was. I was in the real sequence.
I was lifting small weights, and then I was so excited about this little subtle touch. I was, like, putting the dream sequence, because it's, like, my perception of things. Yeah, give me the biggest weights to lift.
And I was like, I mean, people are gonna be like, that was the coolest thing ever. I think you two are the only other people that know that. That's the thing I just said. It's like a 45 2nd reel.
No one's ever been like, wow, look at those waves.
Seph
00:36:04.520 - 00:36:05.584
You got pumped.
Drew
00:36:05.632 - 00:36:09.640
But, like, when I. Like, when we were in there filming is like, no, trust me, this will be.
Kyle
00:36:09.680 - 00:36:10.104
This is.
Drew
00:36:10.152 - 00:36:11.248
This is gonna hit.
Kyle
00:36:11.424 - 00:36:12.888
Yeah. Nuance is a thing.
Seph
00:36:12.944 - 00:36:14.872
Yeah, absolutely.
Drew
00:36:15.056 - 00:36:18.464
Watch social media. Reels are like, I want. I want good new.
Seph
00:36:18.552 - 00:36:19.220
Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:19.720 - 00:36:24.560
I don't know why this is coming to mind, but it reminds me of the office. What was Pam's boyfriend's name originally? Roy.
Drew
00:36:24.640 - 00:36:25.500
Roy. Yeah.
Kyle
00:36:25.820 - 00:36:33.916
Is the best art. That's literally everybody in this movie right now. Your art is the best art, so.
Drew
00:36:33.948 - 00:36:37.484
Yeah, so I know. Good for them for making the heroin marks. I'm glad they did.
Kyle
00:36:37.532 - 00:36:38.892
That. Looked like pimples.
Seph
00:36:39.076 - 00:36:41.172
Some makeup artist is very proud.
Kyle
00:36:41.276 - 00:36:44.780
Yes. Yeah. They probably did the makeup for the crow on the next one.
Seph
00:36:44.820 - 00:36:45.484
Yeah.
Drew
00:36:45.652 - 00:36:47.612
Can't wait. I've heard that's the best one.
Kyle
00:36:47.636 - 00:36:50.804
The only holdover. It's like, why don't you do the mask on the main character?
Seph
00:36:50.852 - 00:36:54.034
We might need to watch that one together just to get through it, right?
Kyle
00:36:54.162 - 00:36:57.858
Yeah, no, it's true. You need to phone a friend on that one.
Drew
00:36:57.994 - 00:36:59.122
Yeah, maybe we can.
Seph
00:36:59.186 - 00:37:01.338
I might force my roommate to watch it with me.
Drew
00:37:01.474 - 00:37:04.042
Yeah, she's a guest next week.
Seph
00:37:04.146 - 00:37:05.082
I don't know what.
Drew
00:37:05.186 - 00:37:07.410
No context. Don't ever watch any of the other ones.
Kyle
00:37:07.450 - 00:37:12.510
Yeah, she's gonna, like, renege on her contract to live in this house. Like, I can't believe you did that to me.
Drew
00:37:13.210 - 00:37:17.098
It's like, how do you know it was time to move when they asked me to watch a crow movie?
Kyle
00:37:17.194 - 00:37:23.362
The crow four wicked prayer. Just the fact that they called it wicked prayer. You're like, oh, God.
Drew
00:37:23.466 - 00:37:23.906
But I.
Kyle
00:37:23.938 - 00:37:25.250
What is this, a hocus pocus?
Drew
00:37:25.370 - 00:37:27.962
I can't help but think it's, like, a Boston guy.
Kyle
00:37:28.026 - 00:37:31.378
Wicked prayer. Wicked. That was a wicked prayer.
Seph
00:37:31.434 - 00:37:32.950
That's a wicked prayer.
Kyle
00:37:34.850 - 00:37:37.138
Oh, my God. That's funny.
Drew
00:37:37.274 - 00:37:38.190
Thank you.
Kyle
00:37:38.570 - 00:37:44.522
Random. Why do I use so many hand motions by Rando?
Drew
00:37:44.666 - 00:37:47.242
You're giving bonus content for the YouTube.
Kyle
00:37:47.306 - 00:37:58.518
Yeah, it's uncomfortable to say bonus and render. I know the. I know the vitriol that this creates with a small segment of the podcast population. Most love it.
But I say randos and some people go for the knife.
Seph
00:37:58.614 - 00:37:58.982
Yeah.
Kyle
00:37:59.046 - 00:37:59.822
You know what I mean?
Seph
00:37:59.926 - 00:38:01.130
They can do their thing.
Kyle
00:38:03.070 - 00:38:39.030
Yeah, Rando. That's right.
So I was aching to say this earlier, but I didn't want to ruin the random because you were saying things, both of you, that, like, alluded to this originally. Rob Zombie wrote, directed, and scored this film. He spent 18 months on it. It was originally called the Crow 2037. And.
But the idea, again, someone with a different idea. It was an older crow. It was gonna be kind of a western. This sounds so Rob zombie, doesn't it? Guess who was gonna play the older version of the Crow.
Scott Glenn from silence of the lambs.
Seph
00:38:39.110 - 00:38:39.886
Oh, shit.
Kyle
00:38:39.958 - 00:38:40.142
Yeah.
Seph
00:38:40.166 - 00:38:43.094
I was gonna guess. I was gonna guess Sam Elliott.
Drew
00:38:43.142 - 00:38:46.286
I was honestly gonna guess Rob zombie. That's the guy.
Kyle
00:38:46.358 - 00:38:47.650
Yeah, I'm gonna do it myself.
Seph
00:38:48.070 - 00:38:52.890
So, wait, did he actually direct a version of this, or. He was just on board to.
Kyle
00:38:52.970 - 00:39:02.202
It was hard to find exactly what they got done, but I know for 18 months, he at least got it written and stuff was in place, and he progressed it. I don't know how much they actually got done.
Seph
00:39:02.266 - 00:39:02.610
Okay.
Kyle
00:39:02.650 - 00:39:03.834
I don't think at least did a.
Seph
00:39:03.842 - 00:39:04.570
Lot of pre production.
Kyle
00:39:04.610 - 00:39:04.874
Yes.
Seph
00:39:04.922 - 00:39:05.210
Okay.
Kyle
00:39:05.250 - 00:39:14.130
Yes. And if you think about it, this is 2000. This is year 2000. This is. I'm going to look it up. Devil's rejects had. That was his first film, right?
Seph
00:39:14.250 - 00:39:19.986
I honestly am not very familiar. I know he did the Halloween reboots, but I'm pretty sure those were after this.
Kyle
00:39:20.138 - 00:39:21.362
Yeah, way after.
Seph
00:39:21.466 - 00:39:23.714
Yeah. Drew, keep talking.
Drew
00:39:23.842 - 00:39:25.402
I have nothing to consequence.
Kyle
00:39:25.466 - 00:39:34.306
Devil's rejects came out in 2005. Was that the first. Oh, no, the first one was. Oh, okay. First one was house of a thousand corpses, 2003.
Drew
00:39:34.378 - 00:39:35.426
I was about to say that.
Kyle
00:39:35.458 - 00:39:38.770
You were? I could sense it. Yeah, I could sense it in your check marks.
Drew
00:39:38.810 - 00:39:39.430
Yep.
Kyle
00:39:41.490 - 00:39:41.914
Yeah.
Drew
00:39:41.962 - 00:39:42.990
I don't remember.
Kyle
00:39:43.930 - 00:39:47.354
Value your life. But, yeah.
Drew
00:39:47.442 - 00:39:50.394
So, also, like, in that city, everyone's like, no.
Kyle
00:39:50.522 - 00:39:51.230
Yeah.
Drew
00:39:51.530 - 00:39:53.790
You say where we value your life.
Seph
00:39:54.090 - 00:39:56.122
This would have been his first feature film.
Kyle
00:39:56.186 - 00:40:04.178
It would have. That's what I was getting at. So this, because I said so, I kind of misspoke early.
I was like, well, it actually could have been a bigger deal, but the only. But Rob zombie did have a big music career.
Seph
00:40:04.234 - 00:40:10.170
Oh, absolutely. Directed all of his music videos, so he at least had the. The expertise to come in and do a film.
Kyle
00:40:10.250 - 00:40:11.050
Yeah, I feel.
Drew
00:40:11.090 - 00:40:13.076
I feel like he. This would have been a good one for him.
Kyle
00:40:13.148 - 00:40:29.748
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, I mean, he eventually really leans into hyper violence and over sexualization. I do think he.
I think he's a good filmmaker, but has crutches, but having the limitations of tv. Well, I say that, but there's nudity in this. Like, I was thinking, was this an after hours thing or something?
Seph
00:40:29.804 - 00:40:32.052
I mean, it was direct to dvd. Like, it wasn't tv movie.
Kyle
00:40:32.076 - 00:40:32.340
Okay.
Seph
00:40:32.380 - 00:40:35.036
Direct to video. So you can kind of do whatever you want.
Kyle
00:40:35.068 - 00:40:35.484
Okay.
Seph
00:40:35.572 - 00:40:37.406
Those don't usually get raised.
Kyle
00:40:37.548 - 00:40:38.274
That makes sense.
Seph
00:40:38.322 - 00:40:38.666
Yeah.
Kyle
00:40:38.738 - 00:40:43.018
But, yeah, I would like to see that. Yeah, I think it would probably been a pretty interesting movie. I.
Seph
00:40:43.074 - 00:40:45.330
Again, I like the idea of an older crow, too.
Drew
00:40:45.410 - 00:40:49.042
Yeah, let's get him for the reboot. When they reboot the second one, let's get him to direct.
Kyle
00:40:49.106 - 00:40:53.114
Yeah, he loves mashups, man. He loves, he loves, like, mixing stuff up.
Seph
00:40:53.202 - 00:40:55.426
Has his monsters movie come out yet?
Kyle
00:40:55.618 - 00:40:58.418
I just saw it pop up on my search.
Seph
00:40:58.554 - 00:41:00.682
It came out two years ago. I didn't even know.
Kyle
00:41:00.746 - 00:41:01.802
I didn't even watch it.
Drew
00:41:01.866 - 00:41:02.642
Oh, man.
Seph
00:41:02.706 - 00:41:03.714
I might have to look that up.
Kyle
00:41:03.762 - 00:41:04.154
Honestly.
Seph
00:41:04.202 - 00:41:05.258
Very curious about it.
Kyle
00:41:05.314 - 00:41:06.922
He lost me with Halloween, too.
Seph
00:41:07.026 - 00:41:09.714
I never watched any of the Halloween movies that he did.
Kyle
00:41:09.802 - 00:41:18.362
They're just, I mean, Mike Myers is six foot ten. It's like, it's so hyper violent. I don't mind violence, but it's just like, over the top.
Seph
00:41:18.466 - 00:41:21.970
Yeah, there does come a point where it's like this. Yeah, it's just not fun anymore.
Kyle
00:41:22.050 - 00:41:38.170
And the first one didn't lean on the violence. You know, the violence was so subtle. That's what made it great. Anyway, that would have been interesting. He also auditioned for Funboy. Oh, yeah.
I actually wanted to say this, too, when we were talking about the cast, but Eric Mabius also doesn't have top billing here. There are three people, so.
Seph
00:41:38.250 - 00:41:44.018
Well, yeah, I guess he kind of was on the lower tier of the. The stars of the movie.
Kyle
00:41:44.074 - 00:41:49.442
Yeah. And it's all about the order of which, you know, who gets paid the most. Yeah, the order of.
Seph
00:41:49.546 - 00:41:52.098
Let me find the order was Kirsten Dunst top bill?
Kyle
00:41:52.194 - 00:41:54.002
She was top bill because she, she.
Seph
00:41:54.066 - 00:42:05.504
Had done some stuff before that.
Her, one of her first bigger roles was actually in the movie Little Women, which had Winona Ryder and Christian Bale in ith and Susan Sarandon way back in, I think, 1994.
Kyle
00:42:05.632 - 00:42:05.960
Yeah.
Seph
00:42:06.000 - 00:42:11.952
So she had been acting as a child, and then I think the year before this had done bringing on.
Kyle
00:42:12.096 - 00:42:19.784
Yep. There are three people listed before. Maybe so Kristen Dunst, William Atherton, and then Debbie fan all made more money than he did.
Drew
00:42:19.872 - 00:42:22.128
Crazy to me. Because he was, like, the lead.
Kyle
00:42:22.224 - 00:42:24.192
Yes. Yeah.
Seph
00:42:24.296 - 00:42:58.996
But it's like, it doesn't. The amount that you get paid does not really matter on who you play. It matters on what you've done before that.
Like, Robert Downey Juniore, for all the Avengers guys, had to convince them to renegotiate all their contracts after the first Avengers movie because he looked at them and he was like, guys, you guys are superstars now. You have to be making way more money than you've signed on for.
So he, at the time, I think each of them were making under a million dollars for their first movies, and then they did the Avengers, and he was like, no, no, no. We've got to make sure you guys are getting way more money.
Kyle
00:42:59.068 - 00:43:08.804
Yeah. And there are films where this becomes an issue.
Like, I remember we did the firm and, like, you know, there's a big issue between Tom Cruise and, gosh, what's his face? Gene Hackman.
Seph
00:43:08.892 - 00:43:09.284
Okay.
Kyle
00:43:09.332 - 00:43:17.620
And Gene Hackman. Like, all of a sudden, this is when Tom Cruise all sudden was top bill. He had, like, kind of hit that.
And all sudden, they didn't put, they weren't going to put Gene Hackman's name on the poster.
Seph
00:43:17.700 - 00:43:18.188
Oh, wow.
Kyle
00:43:18.244 - 00:43:33.836
Because top Bill has a bunch of definitions. It's pay, but it's also literally top bill, who's at the top of the poster. That's what its origins are.
And it's all sudden, like, Gene Hackman's like, wait, my name's not on the poster? Who's, who's this time? What? It's. It's kind of interesting. So you kind of have to look at it a number of ways.
Drew
00:43:33.948 - 00:43:43.612
And I get it from, like, a business standpoint of, like, the idea is you're gonna bring in these bigger names and the movie is gonna make more money. You know, in the end, everybody wins because it's profiting.
Seph
00:43:43.716 - 00:43:43.956
Yeah.
Drew
00:43:43.988 - 00:43:52.932
But then, like, it's also like, I've, I've done shows before where, like, you know, the headliner is like a c list comedian who just doesn't want to do a ton of time.
Seph
00:43:52.996 - 00:43:53.260
Yeah.
Drew
00:43:53.300 - 00:44:01.502
And I'm there to host or feature. And, like, why don't you do as much time as me? And I'm like, because I'm not getting paid as much as you. Why don't you split your paycheck with me?
Yeah, I'll do as much time as you want.
Seph
00:44:01.526 - 00:44:01.966
Yeah.
Drew
00:44:02.078 - 00:44:08.470
So, like, in my brain, it's like the leading actor has had the most to do, but is getting paid less.
Kyle
00:44:08.550 - 00:44:08.950
Yeah.
Drew
00:44:09.030 - 00:44:15.502
And it just kind of doesn't feel right. But then when you think about it from a business standpoint, you're like, but I see that it's the way that it is.
Seph
00:44:15.526 - 00:44:15.726
Yeah.
Kyle
00:44:15.758 - 00:44:17.942
Yeah. Or they didn't have a very good agent.
Seph
00:44:18.006 - 00:44:20.090
Yeah. I mean, that's also a possibility.
Kyle
00:44:20.550 - 00:44:28.722
Yeah.
And the last rando here, this is kind of a small thing, but this is the first one in the series that wasn't directed by someone who was a musician, video director.
Seph
00:44:28.866 - 00:44:29.570
Oh, interesting.
Kyle
00:44:29.610 - 00:44:31.682
So that's interesting to think about, because.
Drew
00:44:31.746 - 00:44:34.914
The first two soundtrack, I didn't feel like maybe.
Seph
00:44:34.962 - 00:44:37.130
I feel it had a better soundtrack than the second one did.
Kyle
00:44:37.170 - 00:44:40.930
Yeah. Yeah. The only thing about the second one was that Deftone song, which rocks.
Drew
00:44:40.970 - 00:44:41.170
But.
Seph
00:44:41.210 - 00:44:44.274
But they. They def. Rob zombie definitely did music for this one.
Kyle
00:44:44.322 - 00:44:45.434
Yeah, he did. He has songs in it.
Seph
00:44:45.442 - 00:44:47.690
Yeah, yeah. A couple I heard.
Kyle
00:44:47.810 - 00:45:00.626
Yeah. And I think that's an important fact because, you know, because music. They were trying to cast rock stars in the first two.
In the first one, Draven is a rock star. Like, there's so much music embedded in this one. That's not really. Yeah, that's not really something they included.
Drew
00:45:00.658 - 00:45:01.738
He's a therapist.
Kyle
00:45:01.914 - 00:45:03.930
Yeah. Yeah. He's a therapist. Yeah. Yeah.
Seph
00:45:04.010 - 00:45:04.986
Oh, is that what he was?
Drew
00:45:05.058 - 00:45:06.230
No, yeah.
Kyle
00:45:06.570 - 00:45:07.474
He's just a guy.
Drew
00:45:07.562 - 00:45:09.430
He's a felon. He's a guy.
Kyle
00:45:10.090 - 00:45:21.990
We just literally know that he had an old pickup truck, got into an argument, and then a guy with metal in his arm knife. And that's literally all we know about this guy. Another kind of weird thing. We don't know Jack about this guy, like, at all. Yeah.
Seph
00:45:22.070 - 00:45:30.686
Yeah. And then he has. That is the other interesting thing about this, is that this guy has no real connection to anyone still alive.
Kyle
00:45:30.798 - 00:45:31.230
Yeah.
Seph
00:45:31.310 - 00:45:44.350
The. The. Kirsten Dunstan's character didn't really know him.
Like, she knew who he was, but you could tell they didn't have a relationship because also, this is the first time, I feel like, in the movies where no one recognized him.
Kyle
00:45:44.430 - 00:45:44.734
Yeah.
Seph
00:45:44.782 - 00:45:51.054
Like, he's literally sitting there beating the shit out of someone who killed him, and the guy doesn't even realize that it's.
Kyle
00:45:51.102 - 00:45:52.046
It took a lot of time.
Seph
00:45:52.118 - 00:45:55.128
Yeah, like, it's. It's. It's weird.
Drew
00:45:55.304 - 00:45:59.288
Maybe that's why I didn't get paid as much. They were like, yeah, we don't even know who you are.
Kyle
00:45:59.344 - 00:46:12.016
Like, yeah, it is funny. I just. It just hit me. It's like, God, this is the first time we, like, don't know anything. I mean, I guess we only know you didn't. I mean, it didn't.
They didn't make it clear in city of angels that he was a mechanic. I had to read that, so.
Seph
00:46:12.048 - 00:46:22.044
Yeah, true. But at the same time, it's like he still had connections to people who were around, and people recognized him.
Like, the people who killed him recognized who he was?
Kyle
00:46:22.152 - 00:46:22.484
Yeah.
Seph
00:46:22.532 - 00:46:27.812
In this one, literally nobody. Even up until he killed them, most of the people didn't recognize him.
Drew
00:46:27.876 - 00:46:36.108
Yeah. They ended up recognizing him as a guy that's immortal, that's going around killing them.
Yeah, that's why they were like, oh, crap, he's coming after.
Seph
00:46:36.164 - 00:46:52.742
Whenever he would ask about the scars, everyone would be like, oh, that guy made it up. Whoever. Whoever he actually is. They were like, oh, he made it up in the third person. They were never referring to him as him.
They were referring to this other guy who was already dead. No one knew he was the guy.
Kyle
00:46:52.846 - 00:47:00.630
Why does he have the same initials, by the way? Ash. Ash. What's his name? Ash Corvin. And then we have Alex Corvus.
Drew
00:47:00.710 - 00:47:01.118
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:01.214 - 00:47:02.014
Why are they so close?
Drew
00:47:02.062 - 00:47:03.526
The first one have the same one?
Kyle
00:47:03.638 - 00:47:06.934
No, that's Eric Draven. But this one, like, why are the names so close?
Drew
00:47:07.062 - 00:47:10.462
That would be a fun thing. Maybe crows can only do ace.
Kyle
00:47:10.526 - 00:47:11.430
Do acs.
Drew
00:47:11.550 - 00:47:17.134
Yeah, it's the rules of the universe. I didn't make it up. The crows. Crows decide.
Kyle
00:47:17.222 - 00:47:19.090
Back to your break room concept.
Drew
00:47:20.170 - 00:47:22.210
The crow flies. We just go.
Kyle
00:47:22.370 - 00:47:25.642
Waiting for his next assignment. What's his name? Eric. I don't do ease.
Seph
00:47:25.706 - 00:47:26.210
Yeah.
Kyle
00:47:26.330 - 00:47:28.322
Is Alex Adam? Yeah.
Seph
00:47:28.346 - 00:47:29.370
I'm the a crow.
Kyle
00:47:29.490 - 00:47:32.550
A crow? Yeah, yeah. Learn your Alphabet.
Drew
00:47:33.050 - 00:47:40.922
Bertha's on the seas. You just gotta go call her. It's her day off. Well, she'll get to it later. Like, it's fine. I don't know why a crow name. Bertha is not a crow name.
Kyle
00:47:40.986 - 00:47:41.530
Bertha.
Drew
00:47:41.610 - 00:47:43.354
No, no. Bertha's can't be crows.
Kyle
00:47:43.402 - 00:47:44.162
Bertha's like.
Seph
00:47:44.226 - 00:47:46.498
Berthas are cows. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:47:46.554 - 00:47:47.350
Bovine.
Seph
00:47:47.660 - 00:48:12.668
I will say. I think the weirdest thing about this movie is how quickly, he died and then came back to life. Every other movie, it's been a hot minute.
It's been at least a year since the crime happened. And then this one, it's like, all right, you're electrocuted. And then literally ten minutes later, he's back. I'm just.
That was something I did not understand. Like, why. Why, like, why the sudden jump in time?
Kyle
00:48:12.724 - 00:48:17.364
Which doesn't make sense in the other fact you made that because that nobody recognizes them as quickly as they do.
Seph
00:48:17.372 - 00:48:21.304
In the other movies would be like, you literally just died.
Kyle
00:48:21.352 - 00:48:22.864
That was 14 hours ago.
Seph
00:48:22.952 - 00:48:29.912
Yeah, if that. Like, I feel like the entire movie took place in, like, a six hour time period.
Drew
00:48:30.056 - 00:48:32.280
Yeah, it was a quick crow.
Seph
00:48:32.360 - 00:48:35.060
Yeah, but every. The other two movies.
Drew
00:48:37.760 - 00:48:40.072
A freelance crows, like, oh, I got. I got 6 hours.
Kyle
00:48:40.136 - 00:48:41.320
It was a fly by night.
Seph
00:48:41.400 - 00:48:49.542
Yeah, but it's like, the other movies, it's been at least a year, and they're. They're like, oh, no, it's him. Yeah, this one, it's like, who are you?
Drew
00:48:49.656 - 00:49:01.634
Yeah, maybe it's something super cheesy and specific. Like, 80% of crimes don't get solved after this amount of time. We had to speed it up.
So it made sense that he solved his own murder, because otherwise, statistically, he wouldn't like that show.
Kyle
00:49:01.682 - 00:49:11.706
48 hours. Every time I turn on a tv in a hotel room, that show is on. Yep. It doesn't matter.
If I'm there in the morning and I turn on a hotel tv, 48 hours is on.
Drew
00:49:11.738 - 00:49:12.186
Always on.
Kyle
00:49:12.218 - 00:49:12.474
Yeah.
Drew
00:49:12.522 - 00:49:14.194
It's like, this is not giving me any confidence.
Kyle
00:49:14.242 - 00:49:14.954
Like, why?
Seph
00:49:15.082 - 00:49:16.186
For me, it's family guy.
Kyle
00:49:16.258 - 00:49:18.754
Oh, really? Yeah, that's always on the plane.
Seph
00:49:18.802 - 00:49:23.380
I was in London, and I was in a hotel and turned on the tv. And the first thing on, his family guy.
Kyle
00:49:23.420 - 00:49:24.108
That's so funny.
Seph
00:49:24.164 - 00:49:26.492
I'm surprised this is on in England right now.
Kyle
00:49:26.556 - 00:49:29.660
That's amazing. Shall we war?
Seph
00:49:29.740 - 00:49:30.532
Let's war.
Kyle
00:49:30.636 - 00:49:37.892
Yeah. Shall we? Corvus. Shall we discover why we were killed? I don't know.
Seph
00:49:37.956 - 00:49:38.916
Yeah. Who knows?
Kyle
00:49:38.988 - 00:49:42.676
Top Bill Cass, which does not include the guy that played the crow.
Seph
00:49:42.828 - 00:49:43.452
What?
Kyle
00:49:43.596 - 00:49:46.742
Kirsten Dunst, William Atherton, and Debbie fan.
Seph
00:49:46.876 - 00:50:00.906
I think every single one of them did the best that they could with what was given to them. Clearly. And I would be interested.
I doubt this information exists as far as, like, publicly available, but I would love to know what order they shot it in.
Kyle
00:50:00.978 - 00:50:01.370
Yeah.
Seph
00:50:01.450 - 00:50:16.440
Because for some reason, the first 45 minutes, you could tell there was passion. You could tell that people were actually trying to do their absolute best, and then whatever happened with the last 45 minutes. Minutes.
Maybe even longer than that. No one gave.
Kyle
00:50:16.480 - 00:50:17.144
Is that they.
Drew
00:50:17.232 - 00:50:22.408
They had read the script and they're like, this is where we're going. Yeah. Okay.
Kyle
00:50:22.464 - 00:50:29.824
Or do they find out it wasn't gonna be in theaters, like they gave me? God. I know you all thought this was a theatrical release. We're going straight to dvd.
Seph
00:50:29.912 - 00:50:47.156
Yeah. I genuinely would love to know, because for.
And most movies, for those of you who don't know, most movies are not shot in any type of chronological order. Most the time they're looking at what locations can we get at what point? And they're going to schedule around. All the.
Drew
00:50:47.228 - 00:50:50.620
All the shots in one location are filmed on the same day.
Seph
00:50:50.660 - 00:51:10.270
Yeah. Even if it's like, you know, this scene takes place in the first 20 minutes, the movie, and this one's at the end.
If it's in the same location, they're gonna shoot it in the same week.
And so, yeah, I would be very curious to know, like, what order they shot this in, because somehow it was a very fine line in the middle of the movie where you could tell. No.
Drew
00:51:10.430 - 00:51:11.246
Fuck.
Kyle
00:51:11.438 - 00:51:21.518
Yeah. Literally, the only movie I can think of that was shot sequentially was Mad Max two, but that's because it was all shot in the same region.
Like, literally the only movie I know that was shot in order. I can't think of another one.
Seph
00:51:21.574 - 00:51:57.634
Yeah. Every now and then. Yeah. And I can't.
None of them come to mind at this point, but every now and then, I've heard of a couple of movies where it's like, I shot this mostly in order because I needed the actors to go through some shit before they hit these emotional scenes.
But even Lord of the Rings, they were supposed to shoot something for fellowship the very first week of shooting, and there was massive storms, massive floods in New Zealand. And so they went into the squash court of the hotel they were staying in and shot a scene from Return of the king, but they shot half the scene.
So when you watch that scene, the. The shots between Frodo and Sam are happening a year apart.
Kyle
00:51:57.722 - 00:51:58.218
Wow.
Seph
00:51:58.314 - 00:52:03.438
Just because that's all that they had the room for to shoot. And they had to shoot. Shoot something that week.
Kyle
00:52:03.534 - 00:52:03.926
Wow.
Seph
00:52:03.998 - 00:52:07.222
Yeah. So just never know what order they're gonna be, man.
Kyle
00:52:07.246 - 00:52:08.638
Jackson had a lot of freedom.
Seph
00:52:08.734 - 00:52:09.806
Oh, my God. Yes.
Kyle
00:52:09.918 - 00:52:12.894
Usually they wouldn't, like, even a good director doesn't get away with that.
Seph
00:52:12.942 - 00:52:41.470
Seriously, though. But again, it's like, if the park that you're supposed to shoot in is literally flooding, what are you gonna do?
We're gonna paint this room blue and we're gonna put some rocks in it, and we're gonna shoot this part of the scene. And then they literally left the set in that squash court. That hotel was without a squash court for a year, year and a half.
And then they came back and shot the other half the scene and then got rid of it. But, yeah, you don't ever hear of most movies shooting in any type of chronological order.
Kyle
00:52:41.590 - 00:52:42.254
That's wild.
Drew
00:52:42.342 - 00:52:54.582
Yeah, I'm gonna give this one as a crow flies. Cause I thought everyone in the cast did great. Yeah, I thought. And. And I'll give Kirsten Dunst like, two crows flying. Cause I thought. I thought she.
I mean, I thought she killed it in this one.
Seph
00:52:54.606 - 00:52:56.438
Like, I didn't know we could give multiple crows.
Drew
00:52:56.534 - 00:52:58.014
I just made it up right there.
Kyle
00:52:58.102 - 00:53:05.460
A murder of crows. You know why that we didn't even talk about that quote from it. Do you know what they call a group of crows?
Drew
00:53:08.400 - 00:53:10.700
I was like, yeah. Get it?
Kyle
00:53:11.760 - 00:53:12.840
Vocabulary.
Drew
00:53:12.920 - 00:53:18.880
I'm watching these movies for lines like that. Yeah. If there's not enough lines, like, I'm like, well, yeah, wasted opportunity.
Kyle
00:53:18.920 - 00:53:20.872
Yeah, kill them with vocabulary. Perez.
Seph
00:53:21.016 - 00:53:27.656
For actors doing their best with the shitstorm they were handed. I agree. Crow flies. Everyone did the best that they possibly could.
Kyle
00:53:27.688 - 00:53:29.864
Yeah, sorry, you're gonna say, oh, I.
Drew
00:53:29.872 - 00:53:51.720
Was just saying with Chris, is she like the ending? Like, when you saw how, like, not well, she was and how she was like, so cool killing this guy and. Nope. Mister live for better.
Like, the guy, the crow telling everyone to like, do better. Saving the. Saving the stripper. He was kind of cool with it. He was like, you know, she's been through a lot. We'll let that one go.
Seph
00:53:51.760 - 00:53:56.272
Yeah, granted, she did literally have her mouth so shut by the guy.
Drew
00:53:56.336 - 00:53:57.032
That was intense.
Kyle
00:53:57.096 - 00:53:58.484
Which was kind of out of left field.
Drew
00:53:58.552 - 00:54:06.220
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was. Well, it was out of left field, but right before that, we saw the cop trying to get with the 15 year old.
Kyle
00:54:06.260 - 00:54:06.508
Yeah.
Drew
00:54:06.564 - 00:54:09.276
I was like, yeah, this is what we're signing up for.
Seph
00:54:09.348 - 00:54:22.180
What's funny for me is literally while that was happening, I was doing planks right there.
And so I didn't see that she got her mouth sewed shut, and then I stood up and was like, is her mouth so, yeah, so, yeah, that was way out of left field for me.
Kyle
00:54:22.220 - 00:54:24.508
And then she cuts her own. Yeah, yeah.
Seph
00:54:24.564 - 00:54:32.346
Which, I mean, that was kind of cool, I gotta be honest. Like that. That was one of those moments where it's like, oh, I'm almost getting some saw vibes from this before saw even came out.
Kyle
00:54:32.418 - 00:54:37.858
They kind of. I guess you can get away with that straight. I guess the MPAA probably doesn't, like, judge it the same.
Seph
00:54:37.914 - 00:54:48.306
Yeah, well, there wasn't much gore. Like, there wasn't a ton of blood. There wasn't, like, crazy. Even when.
Even when he shot the dude through the mouth, like, you're not seeing blood splatter.
Drew
00:54:48.378 - 00:54:55.162
We talk about the fake, like, the blood when he's on the thing and he's, like, getting his power back and, like, it looks like he's oozing lava.
Kyle
00:54:55.226 - 00:54:56.138
It looks like ketchup.
Drew
00:54:56.194 - 00:54:58.818
Yeah. I was like, did they run out of money?
Seph
00:54:58.914 - 00:55:02.490
Yeah, quite possibly blood I've ever seen.
Drew
00:55:03.590 - 00:55:05.342
And be like, hey, man, we're gonna give you this one.
Kyle
00:55:05.366 - 00:55:07.330
Zan. It looked like sweet and sour sauce.
Drew
00:55:08.150 - 00:55:23.526
I kind of was, like, hungry. Like, I was. Yeah, that looks like you'd go great with a chicken nugget or a crab rangoon. It was just. And it was like.
It was like this, you know, powerful mo. Like, you know, there's a director who's like, this is gonna be the thing that takes away.
Seph
00:55:23.718 - 00:55:33.030
So of the three we've looked at, this is the lowest budget. This was 10 million versus 13 million for city of angels and 26 million for the original crow God.
Kyle
00:55:33.070 - 00:55:43.702
When you break it down that way, that the difference is that 3 million is actually insane. To think that they had a better. But I know it's not a lot. But seriously, like, they had. They also had more resources.
Seph
00:55:43.806 - 00:55:44.206
Yeah.
Kyle
00:55:44.278 - 00:55:50.118
Because they had more firepower executives, executive wise on the second one. And, yeah, they still delivered.
Seph
00:55:50.174 - 00:55:52.422
They still shat the bed so hard.
Drew
00:55:52.526 - 00:55:58.342
I love that half of this episode is us still being like, I'm not okay with angels.
Kyle
00:55:58.406 - 00:55:59.534
We had to keep.
Drew
00:55:59.662 - 00:56:01.846
We're not fully processed yet on.
Kyle
00:56:01.958 - 00:56:09.942
I haven't grieved. Well, that was because. It's because they took that shot two years after Brandon Lee died. I mean, that's like. And they didn't take a good shot.
Seph
00:56:10.006 - 00:56:11.974
At least they waited five years for this.
Kyle
00:56:12.022 - 00:56:13.590
Yeah. And they did something totally different.
Drew
00:56:13.630 - 00:56:19.166
They were so recovery, and they're like, we don't. Someone, like, was like, I don't even know what to say about that.
Kyle
00:56:19.238 - 00:56:55.594
Yeah, yeah. I go, the crow flies here, too, and it's for the same reason. Listen, like, time and context matters. I don't expect dynamic range.
I'm not watching this movie to expect, you know, a Daniel Day Lewis walking Phoenix level of dynamic, you know? And it's good to set your expectations, because if this was a major distribution of theatrical release, then my expectations would be higher.
But now that I know so much about the process and how the film ended up just landing on video. Yeah, I think. I think we see above average for that.
I mean, listen, I'm a big Stephen King reader, and I have seen straight to TV King adaptions that this shits on.
Seph
00:56:55.642 - 00:56:55.842
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:55.866 - 00:56:59.490
Yeah. That are horrific that Stephen King directed himself.
Seph
00:56:59.570 - 00:57:00.242
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:00.426 - 00:57:19.690
So I do think that this should get some credit for that. And we get early Walton Goggins. And honestly, I thought the Walton Goggins line, my quote about the baby turned down.
The baby gets a little credit because he was not known at this time, but they kind of let him let loose. It's the only time, really, anyone shows a little dynamic rank. All of a sudden, he's not really been a big character.
Drew
00:57:19.730 - 00:57:21.750
He's, like, so annoyed at it, crying.
Seph
00:57:22.290 - 00:57:24.770
I will say he and Tim decay were my two favorite characters.
Kyle
00:57:24.810 - 00:57:30.586
Yeah. And they look like really early versions of who they would eventually goggins. I was like, that's early goggins right there. I could see.
Seph
00:57:30.618 - 00:57:33.390
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah.
Kyle
00:57:33.430 - 00:57:36.370
Oh, yeah. So righteous gemstones. So.
Seph
00:57:37.750 - 00:57:38.774
It's so good.
Drew
00:57:38.862 - 00:57:39.222
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:39.286 - 00:57:40.782
So did you give it a. What? Did you give it?
Seph
00:57:40.806 - 00:57:45.774
I gave it the crow flies, I think. Yeah. I think everyone, for what they were given, did the best they could possibly have done.
Drew
00:57:45.902 - 00:57:51.358
In fact, they probably did better than what they were giving. They probably. We probably saw good acting with the crappy line.
Seph
00:57:51.414 - 00:57:53.990
Yeah, no, absolutely. Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:54.110 - 00:57:56.958
Awesome. We're off to a strangely positive start for.
Seph
00:57:57.014 - 00:58:02.114
Seriously, though, like I said, y'all, compared to last week, I think this one's gonna do a little bit better.
Drew
00:58:02.302 - 00:58:05.986
Given us, like, a match and. Yeah, well, that's a. That's better.
Kyle
00:58:06.058 - 00:58:12.098
Yeah. Than shitty of angels supporting cast, which.
Seph
00:58:12.154 - 00:58:15.306
Includes our main protagonist, which includes the crow.
Kyle
00:58:15.458 - 00:58:31.130
Eric Mabes is Alex Corvus, Jody Lynn O'Keefe as Lauren Randall, Fred Ward, which is hilarious to me, as police captain Madden and then Grant shot as Peter Walsh. We're getting down into a lot of names. Well, I guess Dale Midkiff as Detective Stan Roberts. That's familiar. But what do you all thing?
Seph
00:58:31.250 - 00:58:38.442
I mean, again, I think. I think everyone did the best they could. Like, I didn't have any complaints with the acting.
Kyle
00:58:38.506 - 00:58:38.850
Yeah.
Seph
00:58:38.930 - 00:58:49.018
Perfectly honest with you. I think everyone was. Even if they had shitty lines, they were delivering. They tried. They were.
I could tell that there was actual, like, effort put into what they were doing.
Drew
00:58:49.114 - 00:58:54.930
I liked. Yeah, I liked it. They. I mean, again, it wasn't like I didn't go into this movie being like, I hope I see some really good acting.
Kyle
00:58:54.970 - 00:58:55.210
Yeah.
Drew
00:58:55.250 - 00:58:59.798
But, but I thought they did well. They. I found myself caring about the characters more.
Seph
00:58:59.834 - 00:59:02.726
Yeah. So, yeah, legit. Yeah. I give it the crow flies.
Kyle
00:59:02.798 - 00:59:16.390
The only one I have a problem with on here is, is, is Lauren Randall, played by Jody Leno Keefe in those, in those flashbacks. That. Yeah, that's unforgivable. Yeah, that's some bad. But again, I mean, that's bad in a straight to video. Yeah, we hear. I mean, it's.
Seph
00:59:16.430 - 00:59:20.630
But again, when you're handed a shit storm of lines.
Kyle
00:59:20.710 - 00:59:21.054
Yes.
Seph
00:59:21.102 - 00:59:26.450
There's only so much you can do with it. And she arguably was handed the worst of everything.
Kyle
00:59:27.080 - 00:59:31.808
Yeah, yeah, I agree. Well, well, we're stacking it up here. Two for the crow flies here.
Seph
00:59:31.864 - 00:59:32.552
Yeah.
Kyle
00:59:32.736 - 00:59:39.768
Poetic killings. So this, once again, for the audience, creative, interesting deaths, because the killings are always interesting in this franchise.
Seph
00:59:39.864 - 00:59:43.200
The only reason I'm going crow flies is because of that car scene.
Kyle
00:59:43.280 - 00:59:43.616
Yeah.
Seph
00:59:43.688 - 01:00:20.880
That car scene took me so by surprise.
I was not, I had the most over the top expectations of what they were gonna do, and it was gonna look so bad, but they literally kept it in such real time. And sometimes I want the Zack Snyder treatment. I want it to be in super slow motion.
I want to see every little visceral, tiny detail that you could have other times. If you're going to show me a car crash, I want. I want the carnage of. This is how it would happen in real time.
And the way that they were thrown out of that windshield so fast. I give it the crow flies just for that.
Kyle
01:00:20.980 - 01:00:21.416
Okay.
Drew
01:00:21.488 - 01:00:34.064
I love, I love. I go crow flies. I loved that scene. That was great scene. Also, the fact that also ended with more crow paper.
Like, where did you have the time to make that? You know, like, that was good for him. Yeah, he's good. You know, maybe he was a painter.
Seph
01:00:34.112 - 01:00:35.660
I got a paint with blood.
Drew
01:00:36.040 - 01:00:40.640
I mean, anytime we're killing pedophiles, I'm a fan. Cops, like, yeah, like that. I love.
Kyle
01:00:40.680 - 01:00:41.632
I'm always for that.
Drew
01:00:41.736 - 01:00:46.850
That was a cool scene. And, like, the fact. And, like, it set me in a good mood because it was like, that's the first one.
Seph
01:00:46.890 - 01:00:47.082
Yeah.
Drew
01:00:47.106 - 01:00:56.050
I was like, I think, oh, if that's where we're starting, then. And then the ending when he killed, he electric chaired the guy that was in charge of him getting the chair. I was like, yeah, I'm digging it.
Seph
01:00:56.090 - 01:00:56.218
Yeah.
Drew
01:00:56.234 - 01:01:03.282
I mean, like, I allow myself to not be a good person when I watch these movies. Like, let's keep them. Keep those good murders coming. Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:03.346 - 01:01:04.322
Keep killing the pedophiles.
Seph
01:01:04.386 - 01:01:04.586
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:04.618 - 01:01:05.818
Cut all their balls off.
Seph
01:01:05.954 - 01:01:09.522
I don't think that makes you not a good person to want to see pedophiles die.
Kyle
01:01:09.586 - 01:01:10.754
We should do that in real life.
Seph
01:01:10.802 - 01:01:11.074
Yes.
Drew
01:01:11.122 - 01:01:11.370
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:11.410 - 01:01:16.260
We should have a volcano, a favorite volcano. We'll call it Pedo volcano. We just need them and just dangle them.
Seph
01:01:16.300 - 01:01:16.812
Pedicano.
Drew
01:01:16.876 - 01:01:21.356
Can we become like movie movie wars by day and then we're killing pedophiles by night?
Kyle
01:01:21.388 - 01:01:21.604
Sure.
Seph
01:01:21.652 - 01:01:24.740
I am down to be the Batman that murders pedophiles.
Kyle
01:01:24.820 - 01:01:30.692
There's a whole twitter follow about dudes that are like, volunteer and they like, deceive predators.
Seph
01:01:30.796 - 01:01:31.220
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:31.300 - 01:01:31.980
Have you seen those?
Seph
01:01:32.020 - 01:01:32.364
I have.
Kyle
01:01:32.412 - 01:01:33.668
And they beat the shit out of them.
Drew
01:01:33.724 - 01:01:34.428
Show about it.
Kyle
01:01:34.484 - 01:01:38.820
Yeah, these guys are like, I don't think it's legal, but they literally like. And these dudes are jacked.
Seph
01:01:38.860 - 01:01:39.100
Yeah.
Kyle
01:01:39.140 - 01:01:46.896
They're like boxers and rappers and they like, deceive them. Like, you did you want to meet a twelve year old girl? Yeah, I got broken. They literally, like, just. And they do it in public.
Seph
01:01:47.008 - 01:01:53.520
It's not legal. But is anyone really going to complain about it? Like, is anyone really going to be like, oh, they need to go to jail?
Kyle
01:01:53.600 - 01:02:12.780
I think it's good. Especially as the father of two daughters, man. Yeah. I actually did go eat crow here. And I love the car crash scene.
To me, this is where I think I missed the physicality. It feels like the car crash is awesome. I actually think it was better than anything we saw in the second one.
Seph
01:02:13.130 - 01:02:15.666
But we wouldn't even call it by its name.
Kyle
01:02:15.738 - 01:02:18.866
Yeah. I don't even want to say it. I don't want to say it out loud.
Drew
01:02:19.018 - 01:02:20.922
We're in the moving on phase of our grief.
Kyle
01:02:21.026 - 01:02:26.218
Yeah. We're grieving the death, the hour, and what are the 84 minutes we spent?
Drew
01:02:26.274 - 01:02:26.938
Yeah.
Kyle
01:02:27.114 - 01:03:14.886
But I just think it's funny. Like, I know they draft. They draft. Yeah, they, they cast Mabius to. Yeah. Thank you, granddaddy. Old granddaddy. They cast.
Maybe it's because they wanted a younger guy, but they also cast a guy that really has what seems to be very little martial arts background. Yeah, the fights are very limited. It's like one punch every, like four minutes. Even when he's fighting these, I just, like, I'm just.
There were times where I'm like, what is he, is he going to do something or you're just going to say sarcastic remarks? Now, eventually, they did get some good deaths, but I just think. I just think it was, is. I just I don't know.
I honestly, I was bored to tears, but you guys voted. You guys win. I get it. So it's three to zero, but I get it. But again, life.
Drew
01:03:14.918 - 01:03:15.814
Stop being disappointed.
Kyle
01:03:15.862 - 01:03:20.490
Yeah, I know, but the car crash is killer.
Drew
01:03:20.790 - 01:03:21.230
Literally.
Kyle
01:03:21.270 - 01:03:21.606
Yeah.
Seph
01:03:21.678 - 01:03:36.336
Had that not been in there, I would be 100% on board with you, because even the. The finale, the electric chair death, that was good. Not great. The. I don't even know how to describe it, just how visceral that car crash was.
Kyle
01:03:36.368 - 01:03:36.648
Yeah.
Drew
01:03:36.704 - 01:03:46.872
I feel like. I feel like this is one of those where you could change the qualification, which are asking. And then for me, it would be, like, a different answer.
So, like, if it was, like, were these good action scenes?
Kyle
01:03:46.936 - 01:03:47.320
Yeah.
Drew
01:03:47.400 - 01:03:55.848
No, like, that. This movie, definitely, in comparison to the other two, did not have good action scenes. Yeah, but the question was, were they good deaths?
Seph
01:03:55.904 - 01:03:56.352
Yeah.
Drew
01:03:56.456 - 01:04:03.508
And it was like. And to me, like, yeah. And this whole movie was more of, like, a murder mystery vibe than, like, an action hero.
Seph
01:04:03.564 - 01:04:03.988
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:04.084 - 01:04:06.236
It's just that by the time they died, I was bored.
Seph
01:04:06.308 - 01:04:06.652
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:06.716 - 01:04:12.524
I was like, I think I'm. Oh, they died. Oh, good. Finally. Yeah. You know, three kicks later, the lead.
Seph
01:04:12.572 - 01:04:16.340
Up, definitely not great, but the physical deaths themselves, I was down with.
Kyle
01:04:16.420 - 01:04:20.172
Okay, cool. Well, hey, it's three to zero. We got a positive trend here.
Seph
01:04:20.316 - 01:04:22.740
That's insane, y'all. This is crazy.
Kyle
01:04:22.820 - 01:04:24.240
Maybe we can be safe.
Drew
01:04:24.730 - 01:04:25.630
Salvation.
Kyle
01:04:27.330 - 01:04:28.834
The next one, the mask.
Drew
01:04:28.882 - 01:04:31.578
Oh, okay. This is. This was the worst.
Seph
01:04:31.714 - 01:04:32.274
You go first.
Drew
01:04:32.322 - 01:05:17.672
I'm so sorry. I. I hated everything about their, like, their dress. I hated that. This, that. The set, I guess the sets. Not this, but we'll get to that.
But, yeah, yeah, it was like, they got all these great actors, and then they're like, what do you want us to. What's wardrobe wanting us to wear? Like, when she. We come to get dressed and like, oh, just. Just come with your casual Fridays.
I mean, they were literally, like, regular people, and that's fine if this was a regular city. But the past two movies, we've built this. Well, one movie and then one attempted of a movie, they built this narrative of, like, this is a.
Like, where was my chemical romance looking people? Where's my emo fate? Like, where's my 2000? And this was literally in the two thousands.
Seph
01:05:17.856 - 01:05:19.800
Goth culture had really taken over.
Drew
01:05:19.840 - 01:05:29.338
Like, it should have been all american rejects and good charlotte existed. It's fine. It's fine. But I'm gonna totally give it an eat crow here.
Seph
01:05:29.434 - 01:05:46.066
So here's my thing. As great as I thought the physical crow mask was being scars. There wasn't actual paint involved. Like, they really tried to do something different.
I agree with you. I don't think that as good as that was, it could save everything.
Drew
01:05:46.138 - 01:05:46.706
Right.
Seph
01:05:46.858 - 01:05:50.060
I am gonna say there was a good mask, though. Yeah.
Drew
01:05:50.720 - 01:06:00.392
I I also thought another thing, and then we'll get. You're that sure. Um. I didn't realize until our last episode that these aren't all happening in the same place. Right.
Kyle
01:06:00.456 - 01:06:00.744
Yeah.
Drew
01:06:00.792 - 01:06:29.316
And so I thought it would be kind of cool for the narrative if they were all in the same place.
You know, the first two movies, and there's, like, a time jump between the movies, the first two, you know, this is just this real shitty city, and you can see how grungy it is. But the third movie is the first time you have corrupt cops.
I think it would have been a fun narrative for the shitty of the city if it was like, outwardly things were looking better, crime was looking even at one place like, yeah, I'm down. But you had more corruption in the cops, so. Still a shitty city, but everything just looked better.
Kyle
01:06:29.388 - 01:06:29.852
Yeah.
Drew
01:06:29.956 - 01:06:32.596
I was like, that would be cool. But they're not doing that.
Kyle
01:06:32.668 - 01:06:33.876
Yeah, yeah.
Seph
01:06:33.948 - 01:06:36.076
This really is not the series for nuance.
Kyle
01:06:36.188 - 01:07:13.892
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's. Once you take away a couple of really amazing actors and creativity, this thing really. It changes. Yeah, I go the same. Yeah. Eat crow.
And, like you said, I like the method. I like that they were thinking differently about how he gets it, but I don't like the way it looks.
I don't know why he has two lines on one side, one on the other. Yeah. It's. And it kind of like. And this is one way it does relate back to city of angels, which. That they.
There's stuff happening that they do a horrible job informing you of. Like, they're doing a lot of expose in one area, but in, like, key things. Like, oh, that's Sarah from the first movie.
We're gonna let you figure that out.
Seph
01:07:13.916 - 01:07:14.212
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:14.276 - 01:07:16.636
Without any detail. That's kind of the mask for me.
Drew
01:07:16.668 - 01:07:16.972
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:17.036 - 01:07:19.340
It's kind of like, okay, he peeled off his face.
Seph
01:07:19.420 - 01:07:19.964
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:20.092 - 01:07:45.336
And he's got. I don't like that mask. And also the wardrobe, and everyone kind of looks like they rated, like, third coast comedies, improv. Like, even Fred Ward.
Fred Ward's a good actor. Like, he's been in some big movies. Right. Fred Ward's, you know, he's not super dynamic.
He's always Fred Ward, but he's, you know, he's been in some key roles in some movies, but even his police uniform kind of looked like it was ordered on Amazon for Halloween. I'm just like, there's nothing. Nothing really unique here.
Drew
01:07:45.448 - 01:07:46.000
Yeah.
Kyle
01:07:46.120 - 01:07:49.660
Yeah. So I go eat crow. Good. Finally, a negative.
Drew
01:07:50.600 - 01:07:52.952
Nobody wants us to be nice and positive all the time.
Kyle
01:07:53.016 - 01:07:57.416
No, no, I know. Maybe we're just feeling bad because the last one, you know, we really.
Seph
01:07:57.488 - 01:08:00.008
Last one was so bad, it really.
Drew
01:08:00.064 - 01:08:02.000
It really made me rethink all my life decisions.
Kyle
01:08:02.040 - 01:08:06.016
Yeah, we really dropped the guillotine on Vincent Perez.
Seph
01:08:06.088 - 01:08:08.672
Yeah. I'm sorry, bro. I know you tried.
Kyle
01:08:08.736 - 01:08:09.744
I know you were not.
Drew
01:08:09.832 - 01:08:11.666
Yeah, he's a big fan. Fan of the podcast.
Kyle
01:08:11.738 - 01:08:12.250
Yeah, he is.
Drew
01:08:12.290 - 01:08:13.370
He was a big fan.
Kyle
01:08:13.490 - 01:08:20.834
Yeah. Last week, he wanted me to reiterate, he texted me. He says, remember, I'm big in Europe. He says, I'm big in Europe. Always have been.
Drew
01:08:20.922 - 01:08:23.370
People like french romantic dramas, music.
Kyle
01:08:23.410 - 01:08:36.455
Yeah. Yeah. Historical romance films. Yeah. Films that have the word bosom. Yeah. Love events. How good are these bad guys, huh?
Seph
01:08:36.577 - 01:08:39.539
I mean, I. I gotta say, the crow flies on this one.
Kyle
01:08:39.579 - 01:08:40.043
Okay.
Seph
01:08:40.131 - 01:09:38.922
I.
Again, you're seeing some fantastic actors just before they hit their prime as they're building themselves up and really learning how to experiment with characters, learning how to get out of their comfort zone. I know. Knowing what Walton Goggins becomes today, knowing what Tim decay has done, knowing what all of these people have done, I.
I think, once again, same. Same with, just, like, the cast in general.
All of them were given something that was not great, but they all said, we're going to make this the best thing it can possibly be.
I genuinely enjoyed Tim decay being this unhinged motherfucker that he is, watching, especially watching him in white collar and seeing how reserved he is as the character of Peter Burke, seeing him be this absolutely bat shit crazy corrupt cop. I gotta say, the crow flies. It was. I thought it was fantastic. I thoroughly enjoyed their characters.
Drew
01:09:39.066 - 01:09:44.458
I feel like if the question was, how good were these actors? I'd say, as the crow flies.
Seph
01:09:44.514 - 01:09:44.914
Yeah.
Drew
01:09:45.002 - 01:09:54.082
But, like, I didn't feel any, like, kind of, like, connection with the. With the villains or anything like that. They were. It was just like a group of corrupt cops.
Seph
01:09:54.146 - 01:09:54.500
Yeah.
Drew
01:09:54.570 - 01:10:20.278
Like, and so I'm gonna, like, at least with the second one they tried to give, like, they did it terribly, but they were like, here's the bad guys, and this is why they're bad. And you're like, I don't feel like you really told us this is why they're bad, but you're wanting me to think you did with this one.
It was like, bad cops like, I'm not even too sure. Like, like, it's just unmemorable. Like, the whole situation that, like, why they were being corrupt cops. All I know is that they were corrupt copse.
Kyle
01:10:20.364 - 01:10:20.890
Yeah.
Drew
01:10:21.010 - 01:10:26.858
And, you know, anyway, so I'm gonna give it eat crows. But I do. I do agree. I mean, that being said, I agree with everything.
Seph
01:10:26.914 - 01:10:27.338
Yeah.
Kyle
01:10:27.434 - 01:10:29.450
Yeah. I also give it eats crow because.
Seph
01:10:29.490 - 01:10:31.866
It'S fair, you know, I'm fine being the odd man out on this one.
Kyle
01:10:31.898 - 01:10:40.226
Damn right it's fair. Seth, it's your house. I just love randomly yelling. That's, like, my thing.
Seph
01:10:40.298 - 01:10:42.610
Hey, my roommate's not even home, so feel free.
Kyle
01:10:42.690 - 01:10:43.874
She's such a nice person, too.
Seph
01:10:43.922 - 01:10:44.290
She is.
Kyle
01:10:44.330 - 01:10:44.938
What's her name again?
Seph
01:10:44.994 - 01:10:45.474
McKenna.
Kyle
01:10:45.522 - 01:10:46.474
This is for you, McKenna.
Seph
01:10:46.522 - 01:10:48.594
McKenna works at WWE. We love you.
Drew
01:10:48.642 - 01:10:49.352
Thank you, McKenna.
Kyle
01:10:49.376 - 01:10:51.912
And WWE love wrestling. I, uh.
Drew
01:10:52.096 - 01:10:52.608
These.
Kyle
01:10:52.704 - 01:11:00.056
God, you know, I love Walton Goggins, and I know he. He's the best thing going in this. This crew of criminals.
Seph
01:11:00.088 - 01:11:00.344
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:00.392 - 01:11:04.000
And he eventually be. I mean, him and hateful eight is just fucking phenomenal.
Seph
01:11:04.040 - 01:11:04.712
Oh, good.
Kyle
01:11:04.856 - 01:11:17.000
But for every one Walton goggins, I feel like there's like 50 cutouts that don't even really make it as, like, secondary guys in an HBO show. Like the wire. Like, these guys wouldn't hack it in the wire.
Seph
01:11:17.080 - 01:11:17.416
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:17.488 - 01:11:19.636
You know what I mean? As, like, just cutouts and.
Drew
01:11:19.688 - 01:11:20.012
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:20.076 - 01:11:33.140
Now, granted, the wire is high, high end, but they still have to have, like, random cops. You know what I mean? I just, you know, and even the guy, that's the perv, and I'm glad he died, but that guy, I'm even just like, it's just so thick.
Seph
01:11:33.220 - 01:11:33.596
Yeah.
Kyle
01:11:33.668 - 01:12:00.458
I'm just like, oh, my God. There's just nothing compelling to me. And even Fred Ward a little bit. I know. I've seen Fred Ward do more. Everything is just very telegraphed.
And so I went that way. I just. They completely disinterested me. And also, I think a lot of it's plot of.
I don't know that these guys believe why they're in this thing in the first place. Like, the whole. The whole reason they framed them. Why, you know, and like, as the viewer, I'm kind of like, well, what is their motivation?
And with a scar guy.
Seph
01:12:00.514 - 01:12:20.264
Well, I mean, so I will jump in on this one. I'm gonna jump on this grenade.
I know I disagree with both of you on this, and that's totally fine, but here's that flashback where she sees them kill that random dude. Yeah, we don't know who that dude, is. That's fine. But we see that they clearly have been corrupt for a very long time.
Kyle
01:12:20.312 - 01:12:20.728
Yeah.
Seph
01:12:20.824 - 01:12:25.888
This is ingrained in who they are. And the fact that they just saw her and were like, fuck her. We're gonna kill her.
Kyle
01:12:25.944 - 01:12:26.176
Yeah.
Seph
01:12:26.208 - 01:12:43.230
And that led to her dying in front of him and then them killing him. Like, I don't know.
That that is something I am gonna disagree with you on, is I do feel like even though it was boring as hell to get to, they did give the proper motivation for why these people are doing the thing they're doing here.
Kyle
01:12:43.270 - 01:12:44.366
I just wish they emoted.
Seph
01:12:44.398 - 01:12:46.950
That I agree with. I agree with that.
Kyle
01:12:46.990 - 01:12:47.254
Yeah.
Seph
01:12:47.302 - 01:12:50.830
But I do think they. They tried to at least give that motivation.
Drew
01:12:50.870 - 01:13:00.102
You know what I think would have helped with that is if you have this gang of bad cops, if there's one throughout the movie, who started second guessing what they were doing.
Seph
01:13:00.166 - 01:13:00.438
Yeah.
Drew
01:13:00.494 - 01:13:09.420
And so you saw one cop trying to start, like, beating a little bit better, and then when they killed that. When they killed that person, it would make them all look like, meaner.
Kyle
01:13:09.460 - 01:13:09.724
Yeah.
Seph
01:13:09.772 - 01:13:10.140
Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:10.220 - 01:13:10.956
Yeah.
Drew
01:13:11.148 - 01:13:12.320
That would have helped.
Kyle
01:13:12.740 - 01:13:14.428
Yeah. Interesting. Okay.
Drew
01:13:14.484 - 01:13:20.240
Peter Burke. That's the start of him. And then he comes back a white collar as the crow and the Avengers.
Kyle
01:13:21.820 - 01:13:31.820
But we can say one thing, and may this would maybe edge it over is. Thank God that Iggy Pop isn't here. Yeah. Yeah. Curve floating in the river with the flowers.
Drew
01:13:31.980 - 01:13:43.224
Someone told me. Someone when I. Because I always posted on watching these movies and get people's feedback. Someone's like, iggy Pop was the best part of the movie.
I did not know how to be, like, you couldn't be more wrong.
Seph
01:13:43.272 - 01:13:46.320
And, well, they're gonna find out now.
Kyle
01:13:46.440 - 01:13:46.976
Yeah.
Drew
01:13:47.088 - 01:13:47.784
Oh, gosh.
Kyle
01:13:47.872 - 01:14:16.618
The fact that we were thinking, like, in this movie could use a star. It could use another star, you know, to kind of just. And the fact that Iggy, like, we'd rather have this than Iggy Pop added here is. And thank.
The fact that we're like, thank God he didn't get the fun ball roll. All right, it's three to two. The crow flies three and eats crow two. It's getting down. This might be our first tiebreaker where we get to that 7th.
Sometimes this happens on movie wars. You get to that 7th category and that determines the sentiment. That's kind of wild. That's about as wild as it gets. Besides me screaming.
Seph
01:14:16.674 - 01:14:17.310
Yeah.
Drew
01:14:17.730 - 01:14:19.962
That's the kind of wallet I live for, man. Let's do it.
Kyle
01:14:19.986 - 01:14:31.852
Yeah. What's called numerical. Yeah. Numerical terrorism. Here we go. All right. Shitty city award. I like that you used it earlier.
You were actually subconsciously saying shitty. I love that. Yeah, that warms my heart. What do you think?
Drew
01:14:31.956 - 01:14:53.128
I. I'm gonna. For the same reasons I was so against the mask, I'm against this one where. Yeah, so I'm gonna say e crows.
Cuz, like this, it did not look well. It. I am kind of a little let down that this isn't always in the same city. I like to believe in a universe where crows resurrect people for vengeance.
It'll make happens in, like, one city.
Kyle
01:14:53.184 - 01:14:53.600
Yeah.
Drew
01:14:53.680 - 01:14:57.392
I like to think that their network is still small. They haven't franchise like, what is tulsa.
Kyle
01:14:57.416 - 01:14:57.992
Get a crow.
Seph
01:14:58.056 - 01:14:58.336
Yeah.
Drew
01:14:58.368 - 01:15:05.224
No, like, I think. I think just one crazy crow city is all we. To me, that just makes this universe more achievable.
Kyle
01:15:05.312 - 01:15:06.352
Yeah, I dig that.
Drew
01:15:06.376 - 01:15:12.736
But. So I just. You know, if even the second one looked more what it's supposed to look.
Kyle
01:15:12.768 - 01:15:14.984
Oh, smog. It was smog all the hell. Yeah.
Drew
01:15:15.112 - 01:15:18.658
This one would make the. A terrible start of a McRheen. Our music video.
Seph
01:15:18.834 - 01:15:45.570
We're gonna hit a tiebreaker because I'm going to eat crow as well. Because here's the thing. My. And it's not even the physical set pieces that you saw. My complaint with the world was the color correction.
The fact that everything was so over saturated, but only with, like, two colors, with, like, red and orange, a little bit of yellow in there. Everything felt like the shittiest version of a JPeG from, like, 2002.
Kyle
01:15:45.610 - 01:15:46.042
Yeah.
Seph
01:15:46.146 - 01:16:07.042
Like, it just. None of it looked convincing.
There was such character in the first one, even though some of it was, like, overwashed with the kind of green filter that they were doing back in the nineties. This one was so over the top with its contrast, and it's just the physical color correction. I gotta go eat grow.
Drew
01:16:07.146 - 01:16:14.498
I wonder if that's where. I almost wonder if the wardrobe, the scenery was where they saved budget because it wasn't. What's, like, the cast?
Seph
01:16:14.554 - 01:16:14.946
No, no.
Drew
01:16:14.978 - 01:16:20.554
Like, so, yeah, I feel like they just, like we're. Like, we're not gonna. It felt like they just weren't trying, like a whole movie.
Kyle
01:16:20.682 - 01:16:30.178
Yeah, I go eats crow too. Because this is definitely where this differentiate differentiates the most from the first two. There's nothing visibly wrong with this city.
Seph
01:16:30.234 - 01:16:30.546
No.
Kyle
01:16:30.618 - 01:16:35.602
Whereas the first two, like, all you have to do even before you see the crimes happen, like, oh, my God, this is a shitty city.
Seph
01:16:35.666 - 01:16:35.866
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:35.898 - 01:16:42.560
Go. Little callback. But you look in this city, it's like, well, when you take the criminals out of it.
This kind of just looks like me driving through Franklin.
Drew
01:16:42.640 - 01:16:42.896
You know?
Kyle
01:16:42.928 - 01:16:45.992
It's like. It looks like just like a loading dog. Like, there's no pollution.
Seph
01:16:46.096 - 01:16:46.808
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:46.984 - 01:16:53.980
And that is really so against everything that the first dude at least put some trash on the ground. A couple of homeless folks.
Drew
01:16:55.080 - 01:16:57.576
Like, it doesn't even look like Frank. Okay, that was mean.
Kyle
01:16:57.648 - 01:16:58.380
That was.
Seph
01:16:59.080 - 01:17:00.376
Welcome to my home, y'all.
Kyle
01:17:00.448 - 01:17:01.420
Yeah. Well.
Seph
01:17:03.410 - 01:17:05.010
I think you meant north Nashville.
Kyle
01:17:05.050 - 01:17:06.354
You meant eastern. Eastern.
Seph
01:17:06.482 - 01:17:07.170
Eastern.
Drew
01:17:07.330 - 01:17:10.706
Or north Nashville would be a good, more apt.
Kyle
01:17:10.898 - 01:17:11.990
That's hilarious.
Drew
01:17:12.330 - 01:17:15.538
All the Nashville people. I'm sorry.
Kyle
01:17:15.634 - 01:17:21.082
Yeah. But in fact, you could almost argue, like, especially when you compare it to the first two. This. This place is immaculate.
Seph
01:17:21.146 - 01:17:21.346
Yeah.
Drew
01:17:21.378 - 01:17:26.914
Yeah. I don't think they need a crow on patrol for avenging people and resurrecting people. They don't need a crow.
Kyle
01:17:26.962 - 01:17:31.110
Yeah, we don't need a ginger fried crow. All right. Oh, I only. I'm not going.
Drew
01:17:32.740 - 01:17:42.036
They need to be in the rough. There's not. I don't know. Or maybe there's a lot of crows. We did see a bunch in the second movie, so they have plenty.
And five years have passed, so maybe.
Kyle
01:17:42.188 - 01:18:00.310
Side note, one of my absolute favorite things about the series has been you getting into the psychology of the crow. Cause you've unlocked a whole new, like, a whole new aspect of comedy.
Because I just keep thinking about what the crow thinks and why the crow chooses in, like, this break room idea.
Seph
01:18:00.470 - 01:18:02.330
What does the crow say?
Drew
01:18:03.190 - 01:18:09.198
Did this movie have much personality for the Crow? Like, did we get much of the actual crow in this movie?
Seph
01:18:09.374 - 01:18:12.734
Yeah, a little bit. I think we got about as much as the first or second one. Yeah.
Drew
01:18:12.742 - 01:18:18.870
I'm kind of. Oh, did he turn into a crow at some point, or did the crow pick him up and fly him away?
Kyle
01:18:18.990 - 01:18:19.982
That's a thing of argument.
Seph
01:18:20.006 - 01:18:21.014
He did. Jesus. Jump.
Kyle
01:18:21.102 - 01:18:29.994
There's a lot of people. And you'll listen to some podcasts. I've read about this. Some people say it's a bad edit that makes it look like he turned into a crow.
Drew
01:18:30.042 - 01:18:30.226
Yeah.
Kyle
01:18:30.258 - 01:18:30.602
Flew out.
Drew
01:18:30.626 - 01:18:31.370
I was like, whoa.
Kyle
01:18:31.450 - 01:18:39.562
But some people think it's just an edit and it's not him turning because it's just bad and it makes it. And they just didn't do a good job. So no one. I don't think anyone actually knows there's a.
Drew
01:18:39.626 - 01:18:43.830
If it's a thing, there's a possibility. Happened twice in the movie. Yeah.
Kyle
01:18:44.250 - 01:18:45.474
One at the beginning. What, the end?
Drew
01:18:45.522 - 01:18:46.138
Yeah. Yeah.
Seph
01:18:46.194 - 01:18:48.130
But, yeah, I think we all agree. Grow on this one.
Kyle
01:18:48.170 - 01:18:49.498
Yeah, it's a tie.
Drew
01:18:49.674 - 01:18:50.590
What happens?
Seph
01:18:51.250 - 01:18:52.194
We got one.
Kyle
01:18:52.322 - 01:18:59.416
We got one category. This determines if we like the movie or not. This is. This is unexplored territory for movie wars 2.0.
Seph
01:18:59.488 - 01:19:00.704
Oh, shit. Here we go.
Kyle
01:19:00.792 - 01:19:05.600
Revenge served. Awesome. Did he. Did the crime? Did the punishment fit the crime?
Drew
01:19:05.680 - 01:19:13.344
I think yes, as the crow flies, because he, especially at the end, he literally gave them the same medicine that they gave him.
Seph
01:19:13.392 - 01:19:33.410
Yep. I 100% agree. Now, I think, again, that car crash takes me to just one point over into. Yeah, this was good. The. Even the final death, as.
As rough as it was, I think it fit the theme, especially that the first one brings forth.
Kyle
01:19:33.750 - 01:19:42.246
Yeah, I actually. Yeah, same. The crow flies. And listen, I didn't necessarily love the electric chair thing at the end, but they did something different.
Seph
01:19:42.318 - 01:19:42.734
Yeah.
Kyle
01:19:42.822 - 01:20:19.312
And I kind of liked laughing at the fact that this guy's got mythical powers, you know, but he still, like, puts effort to haul in this guy's ass all the way to the electric chair that killed him. And, like, he had to, like, it just wasn't a very mythical process. Like, I get in the car, you know, it's like, we gotta take this guy. And I guess.
I guess I'm, like, questioning myself on my own category. Like, literally the punishment fit the crime because he literally did. And I think that's kind of cool. Actually, in a movie that.
Where I said that didn't have. The deaths weren't great. They didn't do a good job there. The last one did kind of have this funny.
Seph
01:20:19.426 - 01:20:19.812
Yeah.
Kyle
01:20:19.876 - 01:20:20.348
Callback.
Drew
01:20:20.404 - 01:20:28.156
I feel like it ties. I. At least, especially in the first one. I don't care enough about the second one to check, but, like, the first one, all the deaths fit.
Kyle
01:20:28.308 - 01:20:28.708
Yep.
Drew
01:20:28.764 - 01:20:29.428
What they did.
Seph
01:20:29.484 - 01:20:29.836
Yeah.
Drew
01:20:29.908 - 01:20:36.700
And I feel like this one. At least the last one did, but, like, I mean, he. I think the other deaths maybe didn't fit because they all just kind of killed him and he was done.
Kyle
01:20:36.740 - 01:20:38.116
Yeah, they were kind of random.
Drew
01:20:38.188 - 01:20:41.868
They were random, but they kind of fit the situations that they were in.
Seph
01:20:41.924 - 01:20:44.732
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Crow flies.
Kyle
01:20:44.836 - 01:20:50.236
Well, we got a pot by. By the hair. The hair of a hair of whatever they say.
Drew
01:20:50.308 - 01:20:51.812
By the fur of the crow, by.
Kyle
01:20:51.836 - 01:20:57.852
The feather, but the beak of a. The beak of a. Of a brand. Row.
Seph
01:20:57.916 - 01:20:59.920
Imagine birds with fur.
Kyle
01:21:00.580 - 01:21:02.044
I think there is a bird with fur.
Seph
01:21:02.132 - 01:21:02.524
Is there?
Kyle
01:21:02.572 - 01:21:03.796
I think there is one at least.
Seph
01:21:03.868 - 01:21:08.484
Pretty sure one of the, like, quintessential definitions of bird is. It has.
Drew
01:21:08.532 - 01:21:11.080
I'm just picturing a flying squirrel, honestly.
Kyle
01:21:11.660 - 01:21:13.008
Yeah. I mean, they're dinosaurs.
Seph
01:21:13.084 - 01:21:13.712
Yeah, true.
Kyle
01:21:13.776 - 01:21:15.020
Well, this is crazy.
Seph
01:21:15.720 - 01:21:17.112
We squeaked it by y'all.
Drew
01:21:17.176 - 01:21:17.608
Wow.
Kyle
01:21:17.704 - 01:21:17.960
Wow.
Seph
01:21:18.000 - 01:21:21.152
This is the equivalent of a 5.1 out of ten.
Drew
01:21:21.216 - 01:21:22.112
Yeah. I love it.
Kyle
01:21:22.176 - 01:21:24.552
Well, next week, we go through wicked prayer.
Drew
01:21:24.616 - 01:21:25.528
Heard it was the best in the.
Kyle
01:21:25.544 - 01:21:27.656
Series, and I would recommend saying your prayers.
Seph
01:21:27.728 - 01:21:28.264
Yeah.
Kyle
01:21:28.392 - 01:21:35.096
Before we got. We got Dennis Hopper, who sometimes is like, he's one of the best actors ever. And then you're like, oh, my God.
Seph
01:21:35.168 - 01:21:35.512
Yeah.
Kyle
01:21:35.576 - 01:21:39.340
What? Who does he owe? I'm excited.
Drew
01:21:39.960 - 01:21:41.660
Like, I didn't know she was.
Kyle
01:21:42.110 - 01:21:50.486
And I'm a die hard t two is in my top ten. And this is post rehab. Edward Furlong. You know this is post American x, right? American history x was.
Seph
01:21:50.558 - 01:21:51.262
I think so.
Kyle
01:21:51.366 - 01:22:01.102
Yeah. This is 2005, so it would have been. Yeah. Yeah. This is crazy to see Edward Furlong here in this. In this. So it's gonna be interesting, but here we go.
Thank y'all. This was a lot of fun. I'm Kyle.
Seph
01:22:01.166 - 01:22:01.782
I'm Seth.
Drew
01:22:01.846 - 01:22:02.430
I'm Drew.
Kyle
01:22:02.510 - 01:22:04.370
Love y'all have a great one next time.
Drew
01:22:06.270 - 01:22:06.798
Holy.