The Crow Reboot (2024)
Drew
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Movie wars.
Kyle
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Ladies and gentlemen, we're wrapping up our Crow franchise. Thank God.
Steph
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Been a struggle, but we're finally making it.
Kyle
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It's so funny because the whole reason I did this is because of the reboot. Remake, whatever they're calling it. They don't want to call it that, but they use the name Eric Draven.
So we're going to call it a reboot, unfortunately. Yeah. And I. For me, it was an excuse to get back into one of my favorite films of all time. 1994 is the Crow. It's top 50 for me. It's.
You know, when I was a kid, I was, you know, a good barometer for what movies you loved when you were a kid. Is. Were you that person for Halloween? Yeah, you know, I was Terminator. I was the Crow.
Drew
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Like, you know, that's a fun. Yeah, that's a good way to look at it.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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Notice, y'all, we're talking about anything other than this movie because we're just trying to avoid it.
Drew
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No, this is actually true to form for the movie. We're going to take an hour and a half into this podcast before we actually talk about the Crow. Yeah, just like the Crow.
Is it called the Crow reboot? Is it just called the Crow, Whatever we want to call this movie. Like, I seriously, 10 minutes in was like, am I watching the right movie?
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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Like, this should have been called John Wick Resurrection.
Kyle
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Yeah. We have like 40. 40 minutes before any Crow activity.
Steph
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Literally.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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I think that. I think they shouldn't have. I mean, whoever. I think I probably agree with people that say it's not a reboot.
Like, even if they're calling it a reboot, they should have given it another name. You know, we had Salvation. We had City of Angels. We had Wicked Prayer. This one could have been like Soul Caliber or something. Like Soulmate, sir.
Steph
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I feel like Rehab.
Kyle
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Yeah, I agree partially. The part I disagree on is, Yes, I agree. But all the studio had to do was do anything but use the name Eric and Shelly.
Drew
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Absolutely.
Kyle
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And they would have saved.
Drew
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There are a lot of other names out there.
Kyle
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They would have saved a lot of pain. Because the most commentary I've gotten. And I agree with this, fans. The reason fans, they're not just.
They're not mad explicitly because of a Crow remake. They. They're mad because they use the names.
Drew
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And although the other ones are horrible, at least they tried different stories.
Drew
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Right.
Steph
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Names.
Drew
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Well, different iterate. They.
Steph
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I mean, this.
Drew
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Even.
Steph
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This was still different. This had nothing to do with the original Crow Yeah, they.
Kyle
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All they had to do was not use those names, but they chose to. And so I think they deserve every piece of negative feedback because literally they didn't have to do that.
Drew
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Yeah.
Steph
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If this had literally just been the Crow 5, I think I would have favored it significantly more than yes.
Kyle
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Yeah. And where I'll start off as I'm going to have to eat a little bit of crow right now. I am not. Our Movie wars fans know. I'm not a reaction guy.
I'm not a movie review guy. That's why we have this format, because it lets us have intelligent discussion about movie without saying, I give it a 10.
You know, it's just, it's a new format.
But the only time that I've literally marched into my studio and turned on my microphone and did a reaction podcast was when I saw the announcement for this. I knew for years it was going to happen because since 2009, they'd been kicking it around in different formats. And I have a rando for that.
But I knew eventually would happen. But when I, when I saw the trailer, I was incensed. I could just tell from the trailer it looked very plasticky. Yeah. And I love Bill Skarsgard.
You and I have talked about that. Like, I admire him as an actor. I think he's actually really talented. But I just, the look of the trailer just gave me really, really bad.
And I didn't react. I'm a diehard Mad Max fan. I didn't react this way to Fury Road. Fury Road, kind of the trailer, I was like, that kind of looks true to form.
Steph
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Yeah. I mean, like I've said before, I'm pretty sure the last 15 minutes of Thunderdome set the stage for the entirety of what became Fury Road.
So, I mean, no, it, yeah. Soft reboot, new guys, the characters. Sure. But it ended up being a 10 out of 10 in my book.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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This.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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Very different.
Kyle
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And I will say the reason I'm gonna eat a little bit of crow is I'm not saying this is a great or good movie. What I am saying it, it did exceed my expectations.
Steph
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I will agree with that.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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I, I, I see it being somewhat split on the votes here because I, I do think there are positive things to pull out of this movie.
Kyle
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Yeah. And I, I didn't expect to like things about it. And, and I think back to my, My reaction podcast.
And this is why I don't do reaction podcast, because now I'm like, think, oh, yeah. That's why I don't do reaction podcast, because I usually will eat.
Drew
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You need to now do a reaction to your reaction podcast.
Kyle
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Like, just sit there and hit record.
Steph
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Of Turn around right now.
Kyle
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Hit record of me listening to myself go on a rant and be like.
Drew
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Nope, he was wrong. It was a.
Kyle
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It was a.
Drew
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Here's why that guy's so wrong.
Kyle
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It was a. It's crazy because it was a 30 minute dialogue or a 30 minute monologue.
And I had actually written an essay about the crow that I planned to do when I was in between this 2.0 and 1.0. I was going to just do movie essays. Yeah, I was. One point. And I was literally.
And I already had this, like, monologue written up just about my thoughts about why I love the crazy crow. And. And I pulled some of that in, but it was just listening back, it's like, God, you were angry. It's like, there are starving children.
That was your war. Yeah. That was your back.
Drew
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Yeah. But forget the starving children. Let's talk about the crow. I get that it was an okay movie. Like it, like, I. I went with all of these movies. I didn't.
I hadn't seen them. I hadn't really heard much about them until I mentioned on social media that I was doing this and I was watching them.
And before each movie, I always talk about, or I'll give people, the audience, the opportunity to, like, share their thoughts on whatever movie I'm about to watch. And so that's how I knew, like, that's how I knew, like, this one and Wicked Prayer, we're going to be bad because, like, everyone was.
Steph
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Yeah, but so City of Angels.
Drew
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Yeah, I. Also, to me, that was, to me, more people should have been pissed about that one than any of the other ones, but that's okay. So I.
So I would say I went into this one kind of afraid that was going to be really bad because that's what everyone said. And, like, most of it was boring to me, but the last maybe 45 minutes, I actually thought it would redeem the movie. I think I text you guys.
It's like, okay, I think I like this movie. But it was like an hour and 15 minutes into it.
Steph
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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I can't. I can't go as far as saying that the last bit of it redeemed the movie, but it definitely made it not shit.
Drew
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Yeah. For me, it's really easy whether I think a movie's. And it's all personal opinion, but what I think a movie is good.
If I enjoyed watching it, if it was because, you know, I like Stories I like, you know, I like escapes from real life. So if I don't have to feel feelings or think about life and just watch something that's, that's a good time. And so.
But in the first half of this movie, I was like, what, what are we. What are. For example, did they ever reference why he went to the insane asylum and like, oh, no. What? At the rehab facility. Oh, the rehab. So what was.
Steph
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Yeah, so my first question was, is this a prison or is it rehab? And then I was like, are there even co ed prisons?
Drew
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What did you do to warrant getting there? Also, what happened to that poor horse at the beginning? Also, like, how easy was it for them to escape?
I mean, don't get me, I just binge watched Prison Break. So watching people escape out of prisons. Yeah, I feel like I'm kind of an expert on it now. And they got out of there so quickly.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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Well, honestly, knowing that it is a rehab facility and not an actual prison, that made a little more sense because.
Kyle
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They have a lot of freedom in there. Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's, it's. This film didn't do a great job of doing that.
And I actually myself was like, kind of like, why, why are they all wearing pink sweats?
Steph
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Right.
Drew
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That's an. Also an odd clothing choice.
Kyle
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Yeah. And the fact that it's a rehab and it looks like a very like it does, but it looks like a prison.
It doesn't look like an area where they're nurturing.
Drew
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Not a nice rehabilitation facility. Definitely not a. That's where I'm like government funded rehab.
Steph
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Yeah, well, that's where I'm like, maybe everyone there did commit some sort of crime, but it was related to drugs. Well, the girl option, either prison or go to rehab.
Drew
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His woman killed a bunch of like, killed people. That's probably what got her there, right?
Steph
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No, what got her there was the cocaine that they found in her purse.
Drew
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That'll do it.
Steph
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The police had no idea that she was a part of whatever had just happened over there. Literally, she dropped her purse, cocaine fell out in the. That's why she got sent to whatever the rehab thing was.
Drew
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That's a good reason to go to rehab.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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If you have a lot of cocaine in your purse right now, just a friendly suggestion, don't drop it.
Steph
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I think my biggest problem with this movie, especially compared because, and again, like you said, if they hadn't said it was a reboot, I could look at it individually and make different assumptions. But because they labeled this a reboot, because this is supposed to sort of relate to the original story.
My biggest problem is what made it so not unique was that the entire movie was backstory. The entire movie held your hand and said, this is what's going on.
Before we even get to the inciting incident, which should happen formulaically within the first 20 minutes of the movie.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Steph
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Like you should know why shit's going down or at least. At least see what's going down within 20 minutes. This was 45 minutes before anything happened. That would be the crow.
But with the original movie, it started with the action. The inciting incident literally happened before the cameras technically turned on.
Drew
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Yep.
Steph
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And so we spent that whole movie learning about the backstory as it was going, but it still started you in the action. This just felt like another generic action movie.
Drew
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It was weird because a little bit into the movie, he did actually die and go to the afterlife. And I was like, oh, this is. This is where he's going to grow up.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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And then we had like about another hour into the movie, and then he re. Dies.
Steph
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Yeah.
Drew
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And then he crows up. I'm like, that seems like.
Kyle
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Yeah, there's a lot of filler. Yeah, there's a lot of filler.
Steph
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Which they could have made that underworld situation so much cooler.
Drew
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Yeah. I looked that side of the underworld. I'm like, oh, that doesn't seem like a bad place. I could. I could see myself in a little townhome.
Steph
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Yeah.
Kyle
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It's like a bridge.
Steph
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It's like the last of us without zombies.
Drew
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There seemed to be some nice greenery in there. I mean, the. The black pole with the skeleton. I mean, maybe put a fence around that, but other than that.
Kyle
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Yeah. Fence that off. Yeah. Don't walk into the time warp.
Drew
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Yeah.
Kyle
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Hole.
Drew
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I think it was. It was. It was interesting because this is what we said in the first movie, how we really appreciate.
You could tell it had that like, 90s movie feel where it didn't over explain it. You were, you. You were. You didn't know the plot and you were explaining experiencing it as you're watching the movie.
Steph
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Yeah. And every question that was asked got answered.
Kyle
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Yeah.
Drew
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You would be wondering things and then they'd eventually cover it. Yeah. And in this movie, I mean, it. You. We got that 2024, modern day how movies are made now. I mean, so on one hand, you know, it looks so.
I mean, the.
The, you know, it looks so much like fresher and cleaner, but on the other hand, it's like you're like, oh, maybe, maybe we don't make as good of movies anymore.
Steph
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I mean. Or we just try to reboot things that don't need to be rebooted.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. I agree. Really hard with something. Yeah.
Drew
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I was processing. I was like. Yep, I agree.
Kyle
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Yeah, yeah, I agree. Really. I had this exact thought and I said it in a different way, but something you said really resonated.
Like somehow in 1994, they illustrated more of a. Of a relationship that we love and admire with flashbacks and just imagery and very little dialogue. A lot of those flashbacks don't even have words.
It's just them interacting. And the coloring is really great.
They somehow illustrated more of a relationship that I care about with that situation and throwing us right into the story. Then 40 minutes of backstory.
Steph
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Yeah.
Kyle
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And my problem.
Steph
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And then the flashbacks had nothing to do with the backstory. They were all things that we didn't see see in that friggin. And it's like supposed to be days.
It's not supposed to be like years that they were out of rehab.
Kyle
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And making the iPhone video, the crux of the. The whole thing that. That's where I always.
I complain about this a lot, but technology in films, ruining films, making an iPhone video, the crux of this whole thing, like really pissed me off. Yeah, really pissed me off. But then something you said, like they're. They're trying to do a lot of things here. The white horse is actually.
It is an excerpt from one of the comics. I don't know which one. I haven't read all of them, but I did. I just did come up in my research.
What they were trying to do was say Eric has a rough childhood and this is why he does drugs and this is why he's in rehab. But they don't make it clear.
Drew
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Okay. Yeah. I was like, I didn't get that from the.
Kyle
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And maybe they could have reduced. If they really wanted to get that point across, they could have spent 40 minutes.
Maybe reduce that 40 minutes down to 30 and give us 10 minutes of experiences that. Or dialogue or something that point back.
Drew
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We could have seen a rough iPhone video of something bad of a horse.
Kyle
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This is me saying saving the horse and then going and buying crack.
Drew
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But one thing, this movie, this is what one of my friends was talking about. And I kind of see it is. It's easy for us to watch this movie and not appreciate some of it because it wasn't meant for us.
This is definitely trying to do like let's make a crow movie for Gen Z. Yeah, like that. 100. Yeah. This is like, we are not their target demographic, whereas the past several people our age would have been.
Steph
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I disagree with that, though. Like, if you're going to make the Crow and you're going to reboot it, you're not going to make a sequel, you're not going to further the franchise.
You're ultimately trying to bring back the people who were interested in the first one.
Kyle
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I will say, though, he's actually right. Not to correct you, but in the Rupert Sanders in the special feature says we purposely made this to tell a new story to Zoomers.
Drew
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Yep.
Kyle
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That's actually what his intent was.
Steph
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Why reboot it?
Kyle
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Yeah, just tell a new one. Or just don't use the Pro 5. Yeah, you already gave him the mullet and the face tattoos. That's all the Zoomers need. They don't need anything else.
Ranks. They don't need. Did.
Drew
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Did anyone else, when they did close up of his face, like, take note of all the different tattoos and try to point. What is it about this person that needs this kind of tattoo? Because maybe, maybe there you. Maybe you have a rando about it.
But I'm pretty sure none of those tattoos have anything to do with this guy.
Steph
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Granted, he was friends with a tattoo artist, so that kind of does make sense. You would just have the guy's like, hey, I got 10 minutes.
Kyle
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There's always a tattoo artist in these movies.
Drew
00:14:03.803 - 00:14:10.611
Yeah, that's true. That's their. You're so right. I've never. I wish that was a bigger thing in these movies.
Kyle
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Like, I wish I have major quips with the tattoo artists, by the way.
Steph
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But real quick, to your point about how this was supposed to be a Gen Z remake, if that's the case, then fuck you, because you're literally shitting on the people who made this what it is. You're shitting on the people who were fans of it. And there's a difference between.
We would like to expand the audience and we're going to say fuck you to the old audience so we can get a new one. Yeah, I just.
Kyle
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There's totally agree.
Steph
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If that's the case, then I'm sorry, you did an even worse job than you than you thought you did.
Drew
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Maybe there's a way to go into movies. We're doing exactly what you say. Like, you want to.
You want to make a movie that reaches this audience, but you also want to make the kind of movie that would reach any audience that is into this kind of movie.
Steph
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I mean, great example again, is Mad Max Fury Road. Like, same director. So Obviously, there is some consistency there.
But while he did make a fully updated version of that story, instead of saying we're going to now tread on the great, let's say Mel Gibson had died. Instead of saying we're just gonna.
On the grave of Mel Gibson by recreating this iconic story, they just said, no, we're gonna move on and we're gonna keep the character alive. But we're gonna tell it in a slightly different way.
We're going to make sure everyone who was into the old ones are still into this, but we're also going to tell it in a way that is going to be more exciting for modern audiences. This, I don't think did that.
Drew
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I had. I had two problems that were like, minor, but to me were like, okay, come on, crow people.
Kyle
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Come on, birds.
Drew
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First of all, what we. What I've said over the past few movies is like, I love that once they become the crow or like crow ish.
Because I do feel like he had some crow adjacent time where he was dead, but not crow yet.
Steph
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Yeah.
Drew
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Like, you see this manic personality which I attribute, like, that's the crow's personality that comes into this person and they get more crow tendencies. Like in the past two movies, there were scenes where both the guys like jumped up on the car as if they were like a crow perching. Like they're.
And just. They're like, they're more sarcastic. They're more like. And.
But like over the many years of these movies have come out, you've seen that and that's been like a characterization of the crowd. This guy never got that. He was just like emo and sad the entire time, which I get it.
His girlfriend died and he's bummed out he's got to save her soul. We've all been there. But yeah, if you're. You got the spirit of the crow in your man, act like it, you.
Kyle
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Know, crow up, crow up, get your crow on.
Steph
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Yeah.
Drew
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And then speaking of the crow, this is the first movie where one of the plot points isn't like he's kicking all his ass and then someone hurts the crow and it, it hurts. Forgot that the crow really just has. It's just almost like a subtle thing to the movie. And I feel like, you know, talking.
Steph
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About symbolic than an actual character talking.
Drew
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About what you were talking about the very first episode that we did. Talking about crow one is like, the big part about this universe is they live in a world where like, it's the.
The spirit of the crow inhabits you to Help you exact revenge against, you know, so, like. So, like, that the Crow should have a bigger part in a movie called the Crow?
Steph
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Yeah, yeah, absolutely. 100%.
Drew
00:17:15.901 - 00:17:16.197
Yeah.
Steph
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Like I said, it's. It's. It's more of a symbolic situation than an actual character. And. Yeah, I agree with you. I didn't like.
Drew
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Yeah, but I did like. I did like the villain in this one. I did like the connection that, like, his.
You know, you saw the Crow's motivation in trying to save the soul of his woman or trade places. That was a different. That was a different touch. Yeah.
And then you also saw this villain's motivation in that, like, he saw this guy with his power not to die, and that's his big thing. He just doesn't want to die. And so he's wanting that, like, it makes sense that their path crossed. Like, I.
Steph
00:17:49.375 - 00:17:52.647
But again, if this had been a sequel and not a reboot, I think all of these.
Drew
00:17:52.671 - 00:17:59.103
Oh, yeah, 100%. This had nothing to do with the first movie. Like, they should have called it the Crow Key Assault.
Kyle
00:17:59.159 - 00:18:10.667
And then just something you said earlier was really funny.
I was trying to imagine a Gen Z version of Fury Road where they're driving Nissan leaves around, you know, and, like, they're all mad because they just. They can't find a charging station.
Steph
00:18:10.811 - 00:18:12.491
All the bad guys are driving Teslas.
Kyle
00:18:12.563 - 00:18:14.195
Yeah. I was like, how would they have.
Steph
00:18:14.235 - 00:18:16.135
Nothing but a fleet of cyber trucks?
Kyle
00:18:17.595 - 00:18:20.975
Oh, my gosh. And they're just, like, talking about each other on, like, you know.
Drew
00:18:23.595 - 00:18:24.851
Tick Tock videos.
Kyle
00:18:24.963 - 00:18:39.483
Those are really great points. And. And a lot of people had a problem with that.
And, you know, and also you were talking about, you know, Danny Houston's character, which Danny Houston's a fantastic actor, about the problem with that character. It's like. It's like, did Satan just make this deal with you and you don't ever talk to Satan anymore?
Drew
00:18:39.539 - 00:18:43.171
Is like, you know, what happened was he had sex with Terror Reed.
Kyle
00:18:43.243 - 00:18:45.895
Yes. He's the product of that.
Drew
00:18:47.555 - 00:18:47.955
Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:47.995 - 00:18:50.787
He's the product of that interaction. Maybe he did finish.
Drew
00:18:50.851 - 00:18:52.335
Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
00:18:53.075 - 00:19:01.915
But it's like, did Satan really make this deal with you and you just haven't seen Satan in 300 years since you made this deal? It's like, he never comes back to tell you about your progress.
Drew
00:19:01.955 - 00:19:04.401
Like, what are you doing? Like, are you just living?
Kyle
00:19:04.553 - 00:19:06.993
You couldn't ask him for a little reinforcements here?
Drew
00:19:07.049 - 00:19:22.017
I guess I.
I guess the thing is, he is when he kills people, he's sending them to, like, I guess not straight to hell, which would make sense because that's where Satan is. He's sending them to some kind of internal term torment.
Because that was the whole thing was she wasn't going to heaven or else she was just suffering.
Kyle
00:19:22.121 - 00:19:22.593
Yeah.
Steph
00:19:22.689 - 00:19:26.745
In limbo. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good old purgatory. Thanks, Catholics.
Kyle
00:19:26.905 - 00:19:35.055
Yeah, no, I totally agree. It is hilarious because there is this like it. The end almost feels like John Wick with a sword. Yeah, it really does.
Steph
00:19:35.095 - 00:19:37.223
Exactly. Uses a sword.
Kyle
00:19:37.319 - 00:19:37.711
Yeah.
Drew
00:19:37.783 - 00:19:42.751
I loved it. That was when I officially started liking the movie. When he came back with a sword, started killing people.
Kyle
00:19:42.823 - 00:19:43.007
The.
Steph
00:19:43.031 - 00:19:44.247
Honestly, that's where it lost me.
Drew
00:19:44.311 - 00:19:51.447
I literally was like. I was like, okay, I'll keep watching. I mean I was going to keep watching anyway, but that was when I was like, this is something.
Kyle
00:19:51.511 - 00:19:51.799
Yeah.
Drew
00:19:51.847 - 00:19:52.055
How did.
Steph
00:19:52.055 - 00:20:30.813
It lost me because the action was so mid. It was not great. It wasn't bad. It definitely was no crow for it was no wicked prayer.
But now that I am used, now that I have seen four John Wick movies and I have seen other movies even try to get somewhat close to that and do a really good job watching the most generic fight scene where he is still like a. The amount of blood he was losing shouldn't have happened in my. Because the. All the other Crow movies doesn't ever drip blood.
Like he has no blood anymore. That was just weird. They were trying to make it extra gory for no reason.
Drew
00:20:30.869 - 00:20:35.021
Does he have. I feel like he's. I feel like in previous movies he's gotten pretty.
Steph
00:20:35.173 - 00:20:47.141
From what I remember after he's become the Crow, he doesn't really ever bleed. Like especially in the first one. If we're even. Just because this is a reboot, we're going to compare this to the first one.
He doesn't really ever bleed after he dies.
Kyle
00:20:47.213 - 00:20:50.317
Just a little bit. Like it's usually like a wound and. But it closes up really fast.
Steph
00:20:50.341 - 00:20:52.005
But it's never like dripping blood.
Kyle
00:20:52.045 - 00:20:53.341
Like he was spleen falling out.
Steph
00:20:53.373 - 00:21:39.029
Yeah, exactly. So there was that. It looked like dollar store version of John Wick, but even then.
So, okay, this was probably my biggest peeve with the entirety of watching the action in this movie is it felt like the stunt actors had a week of training because all of them were doing the very over obvious. I'm going to show you I'm about to hit you and then boom.
Well, then you watch something of high quality like John Wick and everyone's been rehearsing together for so long for months that it's such a dance that you don't have to over Exaggerate your. Your set to show them you're about to hit. They know exactly what's going on.
Everything throughout this movie was so overly acted because it felt like no one was prepared for the action scenes.
Drew
00:21:39.117 - 00:21:39.429
Yeah.
Kyle
00:21:39.477 - 00:21:47.045
I mean, sticking with the Keanu theme, I mean, for the Morpheus Neo fight in the first one, that was three months of choreography and rehearsal just to do that one scene.
Steph
00:21:47.125 - 00:22:00.815
And this felt like the entire movie was just. Yeah, everyone was like. It felt like the union was there every time they filmed a scene, and everyone felt too nervous to actually go for it.
Kyle
00:22:00.895 - 00:22:06.623
I feel like this is a call to the congregation just to take a moment and really admire Keanu Reeves.
Steph
00:22:06.679 - 00:22:06.991
Yes.
Kyle
00:22:07.063 - 00:22:20.519
I mean, yeah, the fact that he does all the stunts and does all the choreography, John Wick and all the work, like, they tried to do that here. And I agree. Like, it was my favorite part of the movie. That doesn't mean it's good. I'm just saying, in a shitty movie, that was the highlight.
Steph
00:22:20.567 - 00:22:21.111
Exactly.
Kyle
00:22:21.183 - 00:22:23.819
But, man, can we just take a moment? Say, holy Keanu Reeves.
Steph
00:22:23.867 - 00:22:27.695
Like, that dude, he's ruined action for most other people, Right?
Kyle
00:22:28.675 - 00:22:30.259
So high, in his 50s.
Steph
00:22:30.347 - 00:23:03.385
Yeah. And it's. It's kind of the same thing with, like, fantasy movies and Lord of the Rings.
When you watch Lord of the Rings, the big battle scenes, if you see a single person that's physical actually on camera, they're all doing an actual bit of choreography versus most other movies like that. You're literally watching guys with sword just go, eh. Eh. Yeah, because they're in the background. They're not what's being focused on.
But Peter Jackson and his stunt coordinators wanted to make sure that everyone looked like they were actually doing something. And this just doesn't look that way. It looks like everyone's waiting for their cue and then they run in and it's.
Drew
00:23:03.885 - 00:23:20.881
Yeah, I feel like this movie, like, I feel like a strength of this movie, which I didn't care about, was, like, the acting and dialogue between, like. Like, the main two characters and stuff like that. Like, there's a lot of, like. But, like.
So in contrast to the one we just reviewed, where we were like, what the.
Steph
00:23:21.073 - 00:23:21.953
What were they?
Drew
00:23:22.049 - 00:23:42.657
There was no script. There was no acting. There was no. Like, it did feel like this was like an indie British film with good acting and a good storyline.
But I was like, is this the crow? Like, that was my one question. I was like, there's a storyline here, but, like, it has nothing to do with what I've come to realize for the Crow.
Based off of the four other movies. Excuse me, three other movies. Wicked.
Steph
00:23:42.761 - 00:23:43.641
Excuse me.
Drew
00:23:43.793 - 00:23:47.177
Two movies. City of Angels and Wicked Prayer.
Kyle
00:23:47.241 - 00:23:47.769
Yeah.
Steph
00:23:47.897 - 00:23:58.921
One of the weird things that I think actually would have made the character a little more compelling is if Alexander Scars or not. Alex. Bill Skarsgard had not fully put on an American accent.
Drew
00:23:59.073 - 00:23:59.433
Right.
Steph
00:23:59.489 - 00:24:08.461
I feel like if he had stuck with his native accent, I feel like it would have added just a weird little bit of depth to the character.
Drew
00:24:08.523 - 00:24:08.937
Yeah.
Steph
00:24:09.041 - 00:24:10.457
Didn't feel as whitewashed.
Drew
00:24:10.521 - 00:24:21.721
I liked that he and her were kind of weird weirdos, like. And I think that's part of the things that they want to use to speak to the Generation Z is like, hey, look at these weird guys and face tattoos.
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:21.753 - 00:24:21.873
Yeah.
Drew
00:24:21.889 - 00:24:35.513
It's like that I. It was. It was kind of fun, you know, like, they were just oddballs.
And I liked watching, like, because it felt like I watched because I didn't know it was a rehab facility. In my head. It made a lot of sense that they escaped insane as. I don't know. Yeah, they're a little off their rocker. Like, that's okay.
Kyle
00:24:35.689 - 00:24:38.049
Yeah, you're right. In the first one, Draven was a rock star.
Drew
00:24:38.097 - 00:24:38.377
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:38.441 - 00:24:42.101
You know, he was a good looking. Like someone that you would want to be around.
Drew
00:24:42.173 - 00:24:42.469
Yeah.
Kyle
00:24:42.517 - 00:24:43.821
Yeah. I guess.
Drew
00:24:43.853 - 00:24:50.269
I also loved the. The. The murder scene in the opera. For so long, nobody had any idea that all that killing was happening.
Kyle
00:24:50.357 - 00:24:51.797
Yeah. Like, I was like.
Drew
00:24:51.901 - 00:24:56.677
Yeah, I was like, I feel like they're either really into this song or like as.
Steph
00:24:56.821 - 00:25:02.437
As kind of decent as it was. My problem is I've literally seen that done four other times.
Drew
00:25:02.541 - 00:25:02.885
Yeah.
Steph
00:25:02.925 - 00:25:14.859
So by the time I saw this, it just felt like literally a. There's a scene in the show Leverage where they do that. They blow up a safe underneath a symphony hall.
Drew
00:25:14.907 - 00:25:28.283
I wonder if this element was the first one to do that with the alien possibly singing opera while the action happens. You're right. That is a typical. As soon as I saw that, I was thinking, like, this has been done before, But I was like, I'm here for it.
Steph
00:25:28.339 - 00:26:02.155
It's one of those things where, yeah, it's one of the cooler parts of the movie, but it's the coolest part of a 6 out of 10 movie. Like, it doesn't make it good. Unfortunately.
They just picked a trope that has been done so many times that I've seen done better with cheaper projects like Wicked Prayer. Like. Yes. No, but like with Leverage. Like, literally, it's a TV show.
They're probably spending half a million an episode versus, you know, however many millions of dollars are spent on this. And I feel like the way that that cheaper show did it was more compelling than the way that they did it in this.
Drew
00:26:02.235 - 00:26:02.499
Yeah.
Kyle
00:26:02.547 - 00:26:03.635
50 million for this.
Steph
00:26:03.755 - 00:26:06.115
Oh, my God. This is the most expensive Chrome movie that's been made.
Kyle
00:26:06.155 - 00:26:12.219
And they've done all. They did a lot of this with the tunnel. This new thing they invented, that tunnel that's not. Not green screen, but it's like.
Steph
00:26:12.307 - 00:26:15.371
Oh, okay, okay. With the, with the LED screen.
Kyle
00:26:15.443 - 00:26:16.043
All the action.
Steph
00:26:16.099 - 00:26:16.363
Yeah.
Kyle
00:26:16.419 - 00:26:17.635
Is on those LEDs.
Steph
00:26:17.675 - 00:26:19.635
And I forget what it's called, but. Yeah. Yeah.
Drew
00:26:19.795 - 00:26:26.069
It's crazy to me that this one is so much. Was so much more expensive than the other ones because like to. I mean, especially the first one.
Steph
00:26:26.117 - 00:26:28.869
So much even then 50 million is cheap for a movie of that size.
Drew
00:26:28.917 - 00:26:29.597
Yeah.
Steph
00:26:29.781 - 00:26:33.293
Like that. That was supposed to look like 100 million dollar movie.
Drew
00:26:33.349 - 00:26:42.197
Yeah. And it looked good. Like I look good. I mean, like, I feel like they. Yeah, people. Whereas the last one, we were like, they.
No, nobody was doing their job correctly or at all.
Steph
00:26:42.301 - 00:26:43.789
This one, like this was very professional.
Drew
00:26:43.837 - 00:26:55.485
This one I was like, they. They did well, they made. I just. If someone's like, hey, do you want to watch the new Crow movie?
And they put this on and then at some point, about 30 minutes, I'm like, hey, when are we watching the new crew movie? Is what I.
Steph
00:26:55.525 - 00:27:09.845
You know, if I hadn't seen the first one or any of the others, I might have enjoyed this one. But honestly, the first one is so good for them to call this a remake just honestly kept pissing me off throughout the whole.
Drew
00:27:10.005 - 00:27:14.429
Can you imagine if someone only watched the last one? Pick this up.
Steph
00:27:14.517 - 00:27:25.049
Well, I mean, that's what I did with Mad Max. I watched Fury Road first. I watched it eight times in theaters, and then it came out again in the black and white version.
So I watched it the ninth time in theaters before I ever saw any of the originals.
Drew
00:27:25.097 - 00:27:25.321
Yeah.
Kyle
00:27:25.353 - 00:27:25.841
Yeah.
Steph
00:27:25.953 - 00:27:31.921
So it. But again, that one holds up the rest of the series. This just shits on it, in my opinion.
Drew
00:27:32.033 - 00:27:47.415
This one was. This one honestly was like the Tokyo Drift of. Of the Crow because there was actually character development. There was a story. Yeah, it was good.
It had nothing to do with like the rest of the overall franchise, but like you could watch it by yourself and back. Hmm. That's a movie.
Kyle
00:27:47.495 - 00:27:59.191
Yeah. Yeah, Totally agree. So I had two questions, but you actually already answered when my first question was going to be.
If they wouldn't have called them Eric and Shelly, would you have Would it added more love to it? Yeah, I totally would.
Steph
00:27:59.263 - 00:28:05.007
So much I would have enjoyed seeing a new crow story versus we're going to take the original but change it.
Kyle
00:28:05.071 - 00:28:05.295
Yeah.
Drew
00:28:05.335 - 00:28:15.415
I'll be honest, I honestly didn't know their names. And so that was further. I was like, why did they call this a reboot?
But knowing that they named them the same, I was like, oh, that's what they're trying to do.
Steph
00:28:15.455 - 00:28:19.527
Yeah. I didn't know. I didn't ever hear her name, but I heard his name a bunch of times.
Kyle
00:28:19.591 - 00:28:19.999
Yeah.
Steph
00:28:20.087 - 00:28:20.591
Yeah.
Kyle
00:28:20.703 - 00:28:44.715
And they. And I think they neutered them too. Like, like being a rock star, I think they were giving you because we were in an era where we had. We had mon.
We loved our rock stars. You know, this is post grunge 1994 or veering out of grunge into something else that we had this admiration.
Yeah, we have this admiration for these rockstar. So we. We're thinking, this guy's awesome. They've totally turned these characters into like sad, like broken, technically shitty people.
Drew
00:28:44.755 - 00:28:44.995
Yeah.
Kyle
00:28:45.035 - 00:28:45.411
Yes.
Drew
00:28:45.483 - 00:28:52.059
Yeah, I didn't, Yeah, I didn't like either of them at all. Like, they, I wasn't like, like I wasn't really rooting for them.
Steph
00:28:52.107 - 00:28:55.147
Yeah, I like them together, but I didn't like them as people, I guess.
Drew
00:28:55.171 - 00:29:16.605
Yeah, that's the thing I was rooting for. Like, I felt bad for their relationship and I felt bad that she was just like an internal suffering and like, I was like, oh, cool move.
You're gonna take her place or whatever. So I, I like, I was there for like the mission that he was doing. But like, like, like he as a character did nothing for me.
And then like, even, even her, like, I was like, really? You'd escape rehab for this one?
Kyle
00:29:17.025 - 00:29:35.369
But yeah, the love story is very mailed in for as much time as they spend developing it. Like, I don't ever buy the love story. Yeah. I'm like, he feels the need to avenge her.
But for me to like agree with and buy this love story, the type of love they have, she has to cure something in him.
Drew
00:29:35.417 - 00:29:35.713
Yeah.
Kyle
00:29:35.769 - 00:29:49.561
And we just never get that anecdote, like, what is it about this bro, this other broken person? What is it curing now? It's very common.
And they talk about this in the behind the scenes features that like rehab and people that are in recovery, like, they often find salvific nature in their.
Drew
00:29:49.633 - 00:30:15.423
Co. Yeah, but you never showed that. Yeah, they become like addicted to each other. They did. They. I guess they're.
You did kind of see throughout their interaction how knowing. To rehab how they did start kind of getting more addicted to each other in the before.
You know what would have been interesting is, and I feel like I would have liked the movie better. We've said this a few times with other crows, but this one would have been now better than the other one. Timing is if she became the Crow.
Kyle
00:30:15.519 - 00:30:15.991
Yeah.
Drew
00:30:16.103 - 00:30:24.215
If he had died. If she became. Or they both died, but then she came back. And then she's already got that backstory with the villain. So that would have added to it.
Kyle
00:30:24.255 - 00:30:29.243
They would have to cast a much better actress. She's. She's serviceable here. But to pull that off, they would ask.
Steph
00:30:29.299 - 00:30:34.779
Poor woman from Shia LaBeouf to the Crow reboot has just made some terrible decisions in her life.
Kyle
00:30:34.827 - 00:30:35.467
Yeah.
Drew
00:30:35.651 - 00:30:36.035
Yeah.
Kyle
00:30:36.075 - 00:30:37.779
We would need a Charlize Theron power.
Steph
00:30:37.867 - 00:30:46.691
Also, her character just came across as the type of girl who was like. With all the questions she was asking him. I just feel like the next one was going to be, would you love me if I was a worm?
Drew
00:30:46.883 - 00:30:53.967
But she was. She was crazy. Like, she would have made for a fun, crazy crow could have. Yeah. And this other guy just was giving us nothing.
Kyle
00:30:54.131 - 00:31:13.751
Yeah. My other question. Did they. Okay. Talk show. Talk show host, voice on. And you and I actually. You texted me. It's so funny.
You were right on the same page. Did they really make a side character with the tattoo artist? It's like a video game side quest for Eric.
After he gets his first round of powers, he just walks to his apartment to ask him to have a gun.
Steph
00:31:13.823 - 00:31:14.435
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:14.735 - 00:31:20.873
You've got powers, man. But you had to march all the way to your tattoo artist apart apartment to ask him for a gun.
Drew
00:31:21.009 - 00:31:33.609
And let's also. This is I. This is what I texted you about. Dude just escapes a rehab facility. All right. Dude walks into your apartment.
Dude says, you're thinking, oh, my gosh, you're dead. Are you okay? Are you fine? What happened? Also, should we get you back to the rehab facility?
Kyle
00:31:33.697 - 00:31:34.177
Yeah.
Drew
00:31:34.281 - 00:31:37.449
And then his first question is, I need a gun.
Kyle
00:31:37.577 - 00:31:37.889
Yeah.
Drew
00:31:37.937 - 00:31:41.457
And then the guy questions it. He's like, ugh. And he's like, okay.
Kyle
00:31:41.641 - 00:31:42.097
Yeah.
Drew
00:31:42.161 - 00:31:44.433
And we're just like, okay with this. Like, I don't.
Kyle
00:31:44.529 - 00:31:46.273
Yeah, you've got powers, dude.
Steph
00:31:46.329 - 00:31:46.545
Yeah.
Kyle
00:31:46.585 - 00:31:50.885
You couldn't. You couldn't find a stick and do. Do yeoman's work with it?
Drew
00:31:50.985 - 00:31:51.945
Of course not.
Kyle
00:31:52.885 - 00:31:57.237
This is like when you're playing a great video game and then they send you on the worst retrieval quest.
Drew
00:31:57.381 - 00:32:04.749
But did he. But here's the question though, at that point, did he have crow powers? Because he dies again. And like, I think he had really.
Steph
00:32:04.797 - 00:32:06.861
Immortality but no strength powers.
Drew
00:32:06.893 - 00:32:18.515
But did he have even the immortality because he made a deal once he was in the nice shrubbery area with the creepy skeletons in the black water because he was like, well, you wasted it.
Steph
00:32:18.635 - 00:32:25.899
I apologize for the light across the table, ladies and gentlemen. My cat is jumping into the Harry, just ignore Harrison Ford over there.
Drew
00:32:25.947 - 00:32:29.675
I thought we were all about to be like, given crow powers.
Kyle
00:32:29.835 - 00:32:32.335
The fourth co host of Movie wars.
Steph
00:32:32.795 - 00:32:40.259
To answer your question, my interpretation, someone who knows, feel free to correct me in the comments.
Drew
00:32:40.307 - 00:32:43.857
But here's the meanest way possible with all the harsh language.
Steph
00:32:43.931 - 00:33:16.359
Here's what I gathered from watching this movie is that that first death gave him that immortality. And every time he went back to that middle world, it was only when he jumped in water or put himself underwater.
I think the water was his bridge to whatever this underworld was. And then after that, by the third time he went in is when the crow finally fully inhabited him. Okay, that is my interpretation of what I saw.
Please feel free to correct me if you know differently. If you're just going to disagree with you, go with me. Go yourself.
Kyle
00:33:16.407 - 00:33:17.407
Go, go to Reddit.
Drew
00:33:17.511 - 00:33:29.039
Honestly, like, that could be it, but they just didn't do a good job of explaining what happened the first time he died. Yeah, like, it was awesome. When he got back when, you know, the face paint and he came out, it was like, let's rock.
Steph
00:33:29.087 - 00:33:29.335
Yeah.
Drew
00:33:29.375 - 00:33:31.823
You knew as a Crow fan, you're like, oh man.
Steph
00:33:31.879 - 00:33:35.839
The fact that it was an hour and 20 minutes into the movie. Yeah, we finally got the makeup.
Drew
00:33:35.927 - 00:33:44.499
They could, they, they could have done that a little bit sooner. They could have. We could have seen less of them working out in a rehab center in pink onesies.
Steph
00:33:44.587 - 00:33:46.555
Yeah. Pink sweats.
Kyle
00:33:46.715 - 00:33:47.691
Rando.
Steph
00:33:47.803 - 00:33:48.779
Rando.
Kyle
00:33:48.947 - 00:33:56.843
By the way, if you love the show, we're wrapping up this Crow series. If you have a zoomer in your life that loved his mullet in this movie, then send it to that person. Love y'all.
Steph
00:33:57.019 - 00:34:04.975
Also, if y'all have suggestions for other movies or series that we don't have on our list, please feel free to comment this. Honestly, I would love to see what you guys want to see.
Drew
00:34:05.315 - 00:34:16.611
Also, if you just want to tell us your favorite bird, that would make for a decent species that to inhabit you from afterward world experiences, we'd love to hear that.
Kyle
00:34:16.683 - 00:34:25.259
Also, if someone could tell me who is FKA Twigs. I don't. I still. I'm a die Hard movie guy. And I still don't know who that is.
Steph
00:34:25.307 - 00:34:35.012
She's a rapper that then dated Shia LaBeouf and then dumped him because of shit. And then now it's just a mediocre.
Kyle
00:34:35.068 - 00:34:37.972
I'm sorry, FKA Twigs. I'm sorry.
Steph
00:34:38.068 - 00:34:45.424
Like I said, if you're watching this podcast to being in this movie, she's made some terrible. Please make better choices.
Drew
00:34:45.804 - 00:34:47.504
But also, thanks for watching.
Kyle
00:34:47.964 - 00:35:09.189
So I alluded to this earlier, Rando. This movie took a long time. So the very first time it was ever uttered that they were going to attempt this was 2009.
And the previous owners of the IP who had bought it after it had come up for sale, they had approached James O'Barr, the original author, at a comic con, and they asked him if he wanted to be involved. And he.
Drew
00:35:09.237 - 00:35:09.469
They.
Kyle
00:35:09.517 - 00:35:20.425
After several iterations, like, no, I don't want to be involved. I think it was Relativity Media. I think he was just done. I think he's just. He still makes the comics.
But I just think as far as the films go, I think he saw Wicked Prayer and said, I can't do this.
Drew
00:35:21.485 - 00:35:22.421
I would do it.
Steph
00:35:22.493 - 00:35:25.109
But listen, 2009, more than just us.
Drew
00:35:25.197 - 00:35:30.693
Yeah, that's only four years after Wicked Prayer. And someone's like, do you want to do another one? He's like, I mean, could I shoot myself with.
Kyle
00:35:30.709 - 00:35:57.657
Maybe the crow is Edward Furlong stole. I don't know if we can still. I don't know. But listen, 2009 to 2024 is a long time. Listen to all these iterations. First iteration, after they.
James O'Barr dumped it. The first iteration was Bradley Cooper. And the. It was going to be directed by Juan Carlos Freshen.
It's so hard to say Fresno 20 either director of 28 weeks later that actually, I like his style, sure. But Bradley Cooper, I don't know.
Drew
00:35:57.721 - 00:35:58.113
Perfect.
Steph
00:35:58.209 - 00:35:59.409
At the time, it could have.
Kyle
00:35:59.497 - 00:36:00.329
He was very hot.
Steph
00:36:00.377 - 00:36:11.205
Yeah. At the time I could see it happening. He also does.
If they had kind of stuck with it being a sequel, unless of a reboot, could have fit that kind of crazy crow person a little better.
Kyle
00:36:11.285 - 00:36:14.525
And it was going to be set in like a Blade Runner type of world. That was the world they were at.
Drew
00:36:14.565 - 00:36:15.541
That would have been cool.
Kyle
00:36:15.693 - 00:36:20.565
That would have been cool. But hey, we don't do new and cool ideas here. That's not our goal here.
Steph
00:36:20.685 - 00:36:24.025
Not with the Crow. Yeah, yeah, new, maybe. Cool.
Kyle
00:36:24.565 - 00:36:30.585
And then it was Stephen Norrington who did Blade An Extraordinary League of Gentlemen. And get this, Mark Wahlberg.
Drew
00:36:32.585 - 00:36:58.947
I would have loved that. Can I can I pitch. I've decided I want to make a crow movie and Mark Wahlberg would be perfect for that.
The premise of the movie is Mark Wahlberg dies and comes back with crow powers. And the vengeance he's bringing is he's killing all the cast from Wicked Prayer.
He's just going and killing all the different people that were with his boss. Yeah. In Bourne Ultimatum style.
Kyle
00:36:59.011 - 00:37:01.307
And every time he kills someone, he goes, your mother. That's who.
Drew
00:37:01.371 - 00:37:05.795
Yeah, that's the movie. That's the movie that should have been made maybe next year.
Kyle
00:37:05.875 - 00:37:12.739
And this one, this one threw me because I always get excited when I hear his name. But this didn't. Ryan Gosling. I love Ryan Gosling.
Steph
00:37:12.787 - 00:37:22.835
But again, I could. Having seen him actually act, I think there is merit to that.
I don't think he would have fit the Persona as well, but I could see him actually putting.
Drew
00:37:22.915 - 00:37:29.319
I think they would have. I mean he would have done fine and he would have definitely had name wreck recognition. But I wish. I wish I liked Ryan Gosling as much as everyone.
Kyle
00:37:29.367 - 00:37:32.735
Yeah. Yeah. I mean like he's top 50 for me.
Steph
00:37:32.775 - 00:37:34.775
He's five's the one that convinced me he could act.
Drew
00:37:34.815 - 00:37:38.943
He's. He can act, but I don't understand the like the hysteria around a place.
Kyle
00:37:38.999 - 00:37:40.439
A place beyond the pines too.
Steph
00:37:40.527 - 00:37:41.367
I've heard good things.
Kyle
00:37:41.431 - 00:37:47.511
So good. Again though, Bill Skarsgard is not my issue with this film. No, I mean he's. He. He does what he can.
Steph
00:37:47.583 - 00:37:50.591
Just the best job he could with what with the directions he was given.
Kyle
00:37:50.703 - 00:38:07.907
Channing Tatum and James McAvoy. Alex Skarsgard also got really close. This actually was the close closest one. Well, actually the second closest.
They actually scouted locations for that one. It was going to be F. Javier Gutierrez, who directed the Rings, I guess. Is that the sequel to Ring.
Steph
00:38:08.011 - 00:38:08.995
The Ring, I guess.
Drew
00:38:09.075 - 00:38:10.051
I didn't know there was a sequel.
Kyle
00:38:10.083 - 00:38:29.825
I guess they are only looking very fitting sequel horror film directors here. But the one that almost got there and this is the one I remember reading about. This is the one that got publicized the most. Jason Momoa.
And it got to the point where Screen Rant and all the major publications even had retrofitted the crowd paint on the Jason Momoa's face and publish it. Like there were actually articles.
Steph
00:38:29.905 - 00:38:32.985
So that probably also used the Ozzy Osbourne video. He did.
Kyle
00:38:33.105 - 00:38:33.401
Yeah.
Steph
00:38:33.433 - 00:38:35.081
He looked very crow like in that.
Kyle
00:38:35.153 - 00:38:35.945
Yeah, that could have been.
Steph
00:38:35.985 - 00:38:36.713
Could have been interesting.
Drew
00:38:36.769 - 00:38:39.805
He couldn't do it. He was doing fast X. Yeah.
Kyle
00:38:40.585 - 00:38:43.513
Yeah. All interesting ideas, but we don't do interesting ideas.
Drew
00:38:43.569 - 00:38:43.857
No.
Kyle
00:38:43.921 - 00:38:46.057
At the. At the Crow sequel factory here.
Drew
00:38:46.121 - 00:38:46.921
No, no, sir.
Kyle
00:38:46.993 - 00:39:19.493
Make sure you take your 15 minute break. We don't want your hand to get caught in the machinery here. This is interesting. You know, it's early on. We talked a lot about how.
And I guess both of these are true, but you know, what's his face? Iggy Pop was a huge inspiration for the bodies and how, like, the musculature of the comic.
But he actually told Rupert Sanders, the director of this one, that Trent Reznor from Nine Inch Natals was his idol. And so a lot of his look was actually modeled.
And they tried to translate, like, early Trent Reznor onto Bill Skarsgard to kind of appeal to that Trent Reznor look.
Steph
00:39:19.579 - 00:39:20.113
Interesting.
Kyle
00:39:20.209 - 00:39:23.281
But I'm a Die Hard Nine Inch Nails fan, but I didn't pick up on it.
Drew
00:39:23.313 - 00:39:29.313
Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, that's one of those things. If I hadn't. If you hadn't said it, it's not something I would have noticed, is it?
Kyle
00:39:29.329 - 00:39:34.705
Because your head is like a hole. I'm sorry, is that always. No, he said head like I was like a hole.
Drew
00:39:34.825 - 00:39:35.553
Yeah.
Kyle
00:39:35.729 - 00:39:58.359
I'm a Dire Snails fan, but, yeah, I wouldn't have picked up on it. Some of the clothes actually belong to the. To the designers, and they were actually vintage 80s clothes. And then they made copies of them. But they.
They actually were goth folks themselves. And so that's why they picked. I can't remember their names. They're legendary designers. But the costume designers. But they. They were actually.
Some of the trench coats and things they were using were from their personal collection from the 80s.
Drew
00:39:58.407 - 00:40:06.431
It's cool. I mean, I liked his. I liked when he went crow and got the look and like, suited up, crowed up, crew up, grow up.
Steph
00:40:06.503 - 00:40:11.255
Honestly, that I was so disinterested by that, I barely remember what he looked like.
Kyle
00:40:11.335 - 00:40:28.983
Yeah, and this is another one where I'm my age is showing. Lil Peep was the model for Eric's image and the tattoos and everything. And.
And also it was like they described it as Lil Peep mixed with Sid and Nancy, again as Lil Peep hanging out with FKA Twigs. I don't know these people. Who is.
Steph
00:40:29.119 - 00:40:31.879
I honestly think so. Probably that would actually make sense.
Kyle
00:40:31.927 - 00:40:32.655
Who is Lil P?
Drew
00:40:32.695 - 00:40:33.543
I have no idea.
Steph
00:40:33.639 - 00:40:34.695
He's a Mumble rapper.
Kyle
00:40:34.775 - 00:40:35.567
Are we old?
Steph
00:40:35.671 - 00:40:36.255
Oh, yes.
Kyle
00:40:36.295 - 00:40:37.279
Okay. We're getting old here.
Steph
00:40:37.327 - 00:40:37.703
Yes.
Kyle
00:40:37.789 - 00:40:42.883
Harry, love you. This cat is awesome. I love you.
Drew
00:40:43.019 - 00:40:46.371
That look is so judgy right now. Like, are you guys still here doing this.
Kyle
00:40:46.403 - 00:40:49.531
You're actually making me want to get a cat. I love your. Your whole energy, dude.
Steph
00:40:49.563 - 00:40:50.275
Cats are great.
Kyle
00:40:50.355 - 00:40:53.827
Yeah. I've got two retrievers, same energy.
Steph
00:40:53.931 - 00:40:55.395
They would probably chill with the cat.
Kyle
00:40:55.435 - 00:41:16.613
Let's. You're awesome. And then lastly, this actually was really cool, and it has nothing to do with the movie itself. Skarsgard.
When he finds out he's playing a new character, he will find a song or a playlist to help him prepare. And the song that he used to prepare for Eric Draven was Mary Wagner, and it was a song called Death, and it's a Finnish folk song, so.
Drew
00:41:16.669 - 00:41:19.197
Oh, I would have guessed that completely.
Steph
00:41:19.301 - 00:41:22.637
Is that the same one that they used at the beginning of Until Dawn?
Kyle
00:41:22.821 - 00:41:25.365
Oh, man, I don't know. I haven't seen that in a long time.
Steph
00:41:25.405 - 00:41:28.065
Y'all keep talking. I'm gonna do a little bit of digging here.
Kyle
00:41:29.415 - 00:41:34.647
Shall we remake? Shall we reboot? Shall we get mullets?
Drew
00:41:34.751 - 00:41:35.863
Let's do. No.
Kyle
00:41:36.039 - 00:41:38.023
Shall we get eyebrow tattoos? Yes.
Drew
00:41:38.079 - 00:41:38.487
100.
Steph
00:41:38.551 - 00:41:38.815
All right.
Kyle
00:41:38.855 - 00:41:55.327
Let's war. This is gonna be interesting. I'm really interested. This could be our most divisive. Not between us, but just the card, like. Cause it's just.
It's just hard to analyze this. But let's go top Bill Cass. Let's go. Bill Skarsgard, and we'll go. Let me see if FKA Twigs, my new friend and FKA Twigs.
Steph
00:41:55.391 - 00:41:57.527
I think she was the second in the credits.
Kyle
00:41:57.631 - 00:42:00.047
Yeah. And then Danny Houston, which I gotta.
Steph
00:42:00.151 - 00:42:05.175
Before we even get into those. I've got to say, I'm sick and tired of opening credits in modern movies.
Kyle
00:42:05.255 - 00:42:05.695
Yeah.
Steph
00:42:05.775 - 00:42:11.831
Like the opening credit sequence, if it's not furthering the plot of the story. Just cut it out, y'all.
Drew
00:42:11.863 - 00:42:12.215
Yeah.
Steph
00:42:12.295 - 00:42:37.241
Just get straight to the story. I do not, as much as I do care about the. The lovely people who worked on this movie.
All the ones who are in opening credits are just heads that depend departments. None of them are the people who are actually, like, in the trenches day by day, doing the work. That's what the end credits are for.
Stop with the opening credits. Show me the title. Get straight to the movie. I'm done with waiting 45 minutes for you to just get to the stupid.
Kyle
00:42:37.393 - 00:42:38.713
I gave you my money already.
Drew
00:42:38.809 - 00:42:39.305
Yes.
Steph
00:42:39.425 - 00:42:40.481
Show me the movie.
Drew
00:42:40.593 - 00:42:52.923
Or, like, do it in a creative way. Sometimes they. They, they. As they're showing you the credits and doing the cool little thingamajiggers, they're showing you part.
The beginning part of the movie. They're like, it's like it's a ramp getting into the movies again.
Steph
00:42:52.979 - 00:43:05.547
Like I said, if it's going to further the story, do it. But if it's just a stupid little artistic sequence. I'm sorry, I don't care. I. I almost skipped it when I watched it because I was so bored.
Please stop.
Drew
00:43:05.611 - 00:43:13.929
If you guys do want to see the best opening credits scene, fast and furious 6 Hands down, watch it. And you. It. It literally tells you the first five movies.
Kyle
00:43:14.027 - 00:43:14.397
Yeah.
Drew
00:43:14.461 - 00:43:15.469
In the opening credits.
Kyle
00:43:15.517 - 00:43:25.733
If anyone else said that to me, I would call bullshit. But because you're saying it, that's definitely. That's definitely the truth. It's literally no other truth has been spoken besides that.
Drew
00:43:25.829 - 00:43:34.381
And when you're six movies in and you can somehow make up. Previously on Fast and Furious with your opening credits. You got no respect.
Kyle
00:43:34.493 - 00:43:59.939
We need to do like a side episode. But I agree there that's one of three things. I think modern filmmaking struggles with that connective pieces.
And the example is this idea of him running and getting a gun. Like the way they try to connect things, they do it in the weirdest way.
Whereas like really great filmmakers like make that stuff explicit without trying. And then the last part is how they include technology with cell phones and things.
The way they lean on those like those three things to me really stifle modern filmmaking.
Steph
00:43:59.987 - 00:44:01.435
Yeah. I agree completely.
Kyle
00:44:01.515 - 00:44:04.147
That could be like an hour long side pod, but 100%.
Steph
00:44:04.291 - 00:44:14.741
But as far as the leads of this film, I think that they did the best job with what they were given. I don't think the script is that strong, but I think all of them put in the work. I think they all did what they were supposed to do.
Drew
00:44:14.773 - 00:44:24.589
I think I'll get. I think I'll agree with that. I their the plot and what they said did not captivate me one bit.
But I felt like, hey, you guys are doing a good job of doing this.
Steph
00:44:24.637 - 00:44:26.941
Yeah. Never once did I feel like it was shitty act.
Drew
00:44:26.973 - 00:44:27.181
Yeah.
Steph
00:44:27.213 - 00:44:27.837
From anybody.
Drew
00:44:27.901 - 00:44:29.317
Yeah. So I'll say as the crow flies.
Steph
00:44:29.341 - 00:44:30.677
Yeah. Flies on that one.
Kyle
00:44:30.821 - 00:44:40.039
Yeah. I actually go the same. It's really hard because we're doing a franchise.
It's like do I compare this to all of film or do I live in this crow world that we've. Crow's nest that we've built.
Drew
00:44:40.127 - 00:44:40.567
Love it.
Steph
00:44:40.631 - 00:44:52.583
I think this one's worthy of both. I think it's. It's worthy of comparing it to the originals but also because it is a modern mid budget film.
I think it's also worth comparing to the rest of It. And again, I think they did their job.
Kyle
00:44:52.679 - 00:45:06.031
Yeah. I. If I'm looking at it from the crow's nest only I think I can't shit so hard on the middle three and then come here and shit on this one too.
I think we got. And listen, I. I don't love what FKA Twigs does here, but I think for what they were asking her doing the.
Drew
00:45:06.063 - 00:45:06.231
The.
Kyle
00:45:06.263 - 00:45:10.435
This defeated, drug addicted, this kind of broken spirit. She really does.
Drew
00:45:10.835 - 00:45:11.587
Absolutely.
Kyle
00:45:11.691 - 00:45:29.051
I actually. I actually was impressed. I didn't know what to expect coming. So when you look at it from that way, I give it a. Crow flies.
And honestly, I'm just constantly impressed with Bill Skarsgard. This guy keeps taking on beloved roles. I mean, I thought he was crazy for taking on Tim Curry's it. I mean, to be Pennywise.
I mean, even though that was straight to tv. I don't know, you probably feel the same because, you know, I've talked about.
Steph
00:45:29.083 - 00:45:30.155
I haven't actually seen the original.
Kyle
00:45:30.235 - 00:45:30.819
Oh, you haven't?
Steph
00:45:30.867 - 00:45:31.099
No.
Kyle
00:45:31.147 - 00:45:32.835
It's one of those, like, you don't touch that.
Steph
00:45:32.875 - 00:45:33.147
Yeah.
Kyle
00:45:33.211 - 00:45:36.363
People. That's how people feel about Tim Curry. But I think he.
Steph
00:45:36.419 - 00:45:37.749
He does a great job.
Kyle
00:45:37.827 - 00:45:42.241
He does a great job. And the acting is not. And then Danny Houston, I mean, he's in supporting. We'll do that.
Steph
00:45:42.313 - 00:45:43.369
But no.
Drew
00:45:43.457 - 00:45:43.793
Yeah.
Steph
00:45:43.849 - 00:45:46.841
No one stood out to me as poorly acting their character.
Drew
00:45:46.873 - 00:45:47.485
Yeah.
Steph
00:45:48.065 - 00:45:49.345
Good to know. We all agree on that.
Kyle
00:45:49.385 - 00:45:49.649
Yeah.
Drew
00:45:49.697 - 00:45:55.297
Yes. Remember last movie and we were about to get in fights on the couches and now we're.
Kyle
00:45:55.441 - 00:46:08.815
Well, no one quite got to the heights of Edward Furlong here, but let's just. But I mean, they're doing their best. It's unfair to thrust that expectation upon anybody. Oh, my God. Why did they cast him? I'm still angry.
Drew
00:46:09.315 - 00:46:12.695
I thought you were gonna say, why did they make that movie? Which would have been just as valid.
Kyle
00:46:13.875 - 00:46:18.467
Yeah. I don't know. What's the bigger sin? I guess you gotta have a wicked prayer to figure that out.
Drew
00:46:18.571 - 00:46:18.979
Nice.
Kyle
00:46:19.067 - 00:46:28.003
God, I love. I love wordplay. All right, supporting cast here. Danny Houston is Vincent Rogue. I love how rogue is spelled weird.
Steph
00:46:28.099 - 00:46:28.443
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:28.499 - 00:46:32.345
R O, E, G. Satan's one time transactional partner here.
Drew
00:46:32.385 - 00:46:32.673
Yeah.
Kyle
00:46:32.729 - 00:46:36.089
I give you eternal life in exchange for this, but I never talk to you again.
Steph
00:46:36.257 - 00:46:39.657
He's so annoying. I give you eternal life and leave me the fuck alone.
Drew
00:46:39.721 - 00:46:41.961
He was like a temp at Satan's.
Kyle
00:46:42.033 - 00:46:42.489
Yeah.
Drew
00:46:42.577 - 00:46:43.065
Industry.
Kyle
00:46:43.185 - 00:46:45.233
Yeah. Robert Half. Yeah.
Steph
00:46:45.329 - 00:46:46.593
Interim Satan.
Drew
00:46:46.689 - 00:46:47.105
Yeah.
Steph
00:46:47.185 - 00:46:47.633
He was like.
Drew
00:46:47.649 - 00:46:50.937
We just, you know, it's seasonal work. We hope. We just, you know.
Kyle
00:46:51.041 - 00:46:51.697
Yeah.
Drew
00:46:51.841 - 00:46:54.841
Racking up. We could use an extra guy to take some souls.
Kyle
00:46:54.953 - 00:46:58.321
Then we got Josette Simon and Sophia, the mother here, which was.
Drew
00:46:58.393 - 00:46:59.865
She did all right. I forgot about her.
Kyle
00:46:59.905 - 00:47:05.853
Kind of an interesting, weird character, Marion, by Laura Byrne, who was kind of like a great Bond.
Drew
00:47:05.989 - 00:47:06.389
Ish.
Kyle
00:47:06.437 - 00:47:19.237
I got, like James Bond. What are they? Femme Fatale. Yeah, yeah, I like that. Sammy. Sammy Buhalia. Sorry. Bualia as Kronos. But you never know. His name is Kronos in the movie.
Drew
00:47:19.301 - 00:47:19.941
What a cool name.
Kyle
00:47:19.973 - 00:47:21.465
He's the guy in the in between.
Drew
00:47:21.765 - 00:47:23.421
Oh, yeah, that makes sense. It's a good name.
Kyle
00:47:23.533 - 00:47:34.217
You never know that. That's. And then Roman is Carol D. Jordan Bulger is Chance, and then it gets worse from there. All right, what do we think? Supporting cast?
Drew
00:47:34.281 - 00:47:41.721
I'll give. I'll give them. As a crow flies. I feel like they all did fine again. Like, the. The movie itself bored me, but I don't think it was the actors.
Steph
00:47:41.833 - 00:47:49.353
I. I am very split on this because. Well, I don't think anyone necessarily did a bad job.
Kyle
00:47:49.489 - 00:47:50.073
Right.
Steph
00:47:50.209 - 00:47:54.265
Other than the lead villain. I don't think anyone. Really, really good job. You don't think.
Drew
00:47:54.305 - 00:48:02.501
You didn't. You didn't think he was good at being whatever he was like? I mean, I don't. I'm not gonna say his character.
The character was a little lame, but, like, I feel like he was.
Steph
00:48:02.613 - 00:48:05.061
I mean, I. No, no, I think. I think he did a good job.
Drew
00:48:05.093 - 00:48:05.629
Oh, okay.
Steph
00:48:05.717 - 00:48:21.117
I don't think anyone else did either a good or bad job. They were just kind of bodies in a movie. So it's like, I want to give it a crow flies just because I'm. I'm so happy to not be watching Wicked Prayer.
Kyle
00:48:21.221 - 00:48:21.905
Yeah.
Steph
00:48:22.295 - 00:48:31.055
But honestly, I'm probably gonna go away from. From the pack on this one. I'm gonna go eat crow because none of them were memorable in any way, shape, or form for me.
Drew
00:48:31.135 - 00:48:31.663
Fair enough.
Kyle
00:48:31.759 - 00:48:46.983
Yeah. I actually. I Actually, I was very split too. I did go eats crow as well, and. Oh, yeah, I did. And here's the thing. I love Danny Houston.
He kind of plays the same type of villain, and I like him because when you hear the special features and interviews with him, he sounds exactly like he does the movie. He, like, he talks.
Drew
00:48:47.039 - 00:48:47.583
That villain.
Kyle
00:48:47.639 - 00:49:08.491
He talks like a villain. Like, I can't imagine certain that guy a burger like Dairy Queen. It's like, oh, my God. But if we're. If we're.
If we're going to stay in the crow's nest, I'm going to stick with this. Thing if we're going to stay in the crow's nest. The nature of the first ones, like, they did such a great job developing those villains. Like, and.
And they each had an interesting Persona here. You said they're just bodies. And, like, yeah, Danny Houston's.
Drew
00:49:08.603 - 00:49:11.563
He was the only villain I felt like. I mean, there's the lady, but, like.
Kyle
00:49:11.619 - 00:49:12.555
And a bunch of henchmen.
Drew
00:49:12.595 - 00:49:12.939
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:13.027 - 00:49:15.027
But even him, he was still one note.
Steph
00:49:15.091 - 00:49:15.411
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:15.483 - 00:49:28.411
And I always think back to Patrick Kelly's performance as T Bird. Like, he went from being this really, like, kind of, like, horrible demonic dude to when.
When his eyes were taped open and he was fixing to die, he showed this insane amount of, like, remorse.
Drew
00:49:28.483 - 00:49:28.995
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:29.115 - 00:49:43.347
Dread. And, like, he told. Like, that moment told me he regretted everything he did and he knew he was about to die. No one really gave that to me. No one.
And I. One of my favorite things about movies is when someone in that supporting cast delivers a performance you don't expect.
Steph
00:49:43.411 - 00:49:43.883
Yeah.
Kyle
00:49:43.979 - 00:49:44.907
No one does that here.
Drew
00:49:44.971 - 00:49:54.219
I felt like that about the. When the mom died, like, it kind of. It kind of snuck up on you in her death, and you're like, oh, well, dang. But. And, like.
But you weren't so connected to her character that you're like, oh, no, I.
Steph
00:49:54.227 - 00:49:55.347
Didn'T realize she died.
Drew
00:49:55.411 - 00:49:56.427
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Steph
00:49:56.531 - 00:50:00.483
For context, ladies and gentlemen, I watched this movie three hours ago.
Kyle
00:50:00.579 - 00:50:01.155
Yeah.
Steph
00:50:01.275 - 00:50:06.243
This is how little I remember about this movie from having finished it just before you.
Kyle
00:50:06.299 - 00:50:08.475
It's because I'm pretty sure that was a CGI death.
Steph
00:50:08.555 - 00:50:08.843
Yeah.
Kyle
00:50:08.899 - 00:50:11.175
That was not a dummy. That was a CGI body.
Drew
00:50:12.435 - 00:50:17.963
She wasn't even there. She doesn't know her. She didn't finish the script. She just doesn't even know her character dies in the movie.
Steph
00:50:18.019 - 00:50:18.379
But.
Drew
00:50:18.467 - 00:50:59.007
Yeah, but. And I. I liked Vincent as a villain.
You could tell he, like, at the beginning when he was killing that first girl off, he was like, I mean, I don't really want to do this, but I gotta do it because I really. My. Because it's like, he didn't want. He wasn't so, like, diabolical evil. Evil. Like.
Like, honestly, a lot of these other villains have just been evil for the sake of being evil. Like, his end game was, I want to live forever, and this is how I do it.
So you seem like a nice girl, but also, that's why, like, when he was like, I wish I could go kill the rapers and stuff like that, he's like, but that does that. That doesn't. That's not the people he needs so. So, like, I don't know. I felt I believed his villainess. Sorry, I'd already given my opinion. You're.
You're sharing yours?
Kyle
00:50:59.191 - 00:51:03.911
No, no, it's good. No, I was actually for. I was actually prepping to talk about our next character. No, this is interesting.
Drew
00:51:03.943 - 00:51:04.063
We're.
Kyle
00:51:04.079 - 00:51:04.791
So we're split.
Steph
00:51:04.863 - 00:51:05.215
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:05.295 - 00:51:20.805
And I feel that way about a lot of these kids. Yeah. We won. Take that Fast and Furious guy. No, no. Drew Davis. No. And I feel that way about a lot of these categories.
I feel very split on a lot of them, especially because we're in the Crow's Nest.
Steph
00:51:22.985 - 00:51:26.017
It's definitely the second best crow movie.
Drew
00:51:26.081 - 00:51:26.321
Yeah.
Kyle
00:51:26.353 - 00:51:30.777
It'll be interesting. Oh, we're gonna go through our stack ranks at the end. That's how we're gonna close this.
Drew
00:51:30.841 - 00:51:31.845
Debatable.
Kyle
00:51:32.625 - 00:51:36.405
And what we say. What we say is the stack rank. That's gonna resonate through history.
Drew
00:51:37.865 - 00:51:48.065
I saw it. I knew that I was foreshadowing this. And so I've already thought long and hard about my. My crows. The. The. The perch. Which ones? Yeah, on the perch.
Kyle
00:51:48.185 - 00:51:49.445
Poetic killings.
Drew
00:51:51.345 - 00:51:52.129
That. Actually.
Kyle
00:51:52.217 - 00:51:53.257
There's a lot of killings.
Steph
00:51:53.321 - 00:51:56.889
There's a lot of killings. I hated their death. I hated the main death.
Drew
00:51:56.937 - 00:51:57.137
Yeah.
Steph
00:51:57.161 - 00:52:01.153
I thought the suffocation was stupid. As I thought it was just boring. And.
Drew
00:52:01.209 - 00:52:01.513
Yeah.
Steph
00:52:01.569 - 00:52:02.153
To watch.
Drew
00:52:02.249 - 00:52:34.501
I thought all like, even. And then the main villain's death was. There wasn't much of a fight and it was. I don't know, like.
So I'm gonna go with Eats Crow because no one had a cool death. I mean, the John Wick style violence scene was pretty cool to watch overall. But like, when you. Poetic killings. I don't care about the henchmen.
They were barely alive. You know, like. So when I think poetic killings, I just think of the main ones. And the best one was when he snuck up to killing her mom on us.
Kyle
00:52:34.613 - 00:52:34.973
Yeah.
Drew
00:52:35.029 - 00:52:37.021
Other than that. Which apparently wasn't that great. Cuz.
Kyle
00:52:37.053 - 00:52:37.389
Yeah.
Drew
00:52:37.477 - 00:52:38.437
Seth had no idea.
Steph
00:52:38.501 - 00:52:39.185
Nope.
Kyle
00:52:39.525 - 00:52:47.941
So I actually agree. Eats Crow, but I actually did not like. I. Or when I say don't like. Like. I actually was made really uneasy by the. The vegetable bag over the head.
Steph
00:52:48.013 - 00:52:49.133
I thought it was lame as hell.
Kyle
00:52:49.189 - 00:52:51.261
Really. I was. I was really queasy.
Steph
00:52:51.373 - 00:52:52.053
It.
Kyle
00:52:52.229 - 00:52:53.301
It affected me.
Steph
00:52:53.413 - 00:52:59.103
See, I have again, it's one of those things I've seen that done and I've seen it be terrifying as hell.
Kyle
00:52:59.159 - 00:53:04.695
Did they do that? Natural Born Killers. I'm trying to think what was a really. There's a really prolific bag suffocation.
Steph
00:53:04.855 - 00:53:16.383
Possibly. Honestly, Even the one in the Sopranos, when. When this. When AJ tries to kill himself and he puts the bag over his head and jumps in the pool.
That one stressed me out way more.
Kyle
00:53:16.399 - 00:53:17.583
Yeah, that's true.
Steph
00:53:17.639 - 00:53:58.937
And it literally. It was because I could tell how loose the bag actually was. It did not. And again, it's like.
I understand we've tried to make making movies safer, especially when you're dealing with the crow and the. Literally, the very first one, the lead actor dies because of stupid negligence.
However, there are ways to do this that make it look real and make it look terrifying. This. I could tell the bag was super loose, other than it was right over their mouth, and I could. But it was just them sucking it. It didn't look real.
It didn't look good. I'm sorry. I just. I think that was one of the weakest parts of the whole movie.
Drew
00:53:59.041 - 00:54:12.057
I think I just didn't care enough about the characters at that point, which is stupid, because you were 45 minutes into the movie to be moved by the death. Like, I think that's. I think that's one of the characteristics of a good death for me, is if I care enough about the character.
Steph
00:54:12.161 - 00:54:18.889
And even the first movie, you didn't know who the characters were. And then when they died, you were like, holy shit, this is insane.
Kyle
00:54:18.977 - 00:54:19.735
Right? Yeah.
Steph
00:54:19.775 - 00:54:22.983
This one you. Like I said, it's. You're almost halfway through the movie and.
Kyle
00:54:22.999 - 00:54:33.631
You don't give a. Yeah, I go eats crow, too. And then, even though that one scene made me queasy, the fact is. Is that the. The tone set by the first one? Is that the.
The way the revenge is exacted? It reflects.
Steph
00:54:33.703 - 00:54:33.935
Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:33.975 - 00:54:35.903
The crimes that were perpetrated. And even.
Steph
00:54:35.959 - 00:54:38.783
Even City of Angels followed through with that idea.
Kyle
00:54:38.879 - 00:54:45.839
Yeah. And this was just John Wick light. This was discount store John Wick. I mean, John Wick in its lowest moments. Does this better?
Steph
00:54:46.007 - 00:54:46.735
So much better.
Kyle
00:54:46.775 - 00:54:53.583
Yeah. And. And the blood was so cgi. Yeah, it was. So A lot of people liked the one where he splits his mouth open.
Drew
00:54:53.639 - 00:54:53.999
Yeah.
Kyle
00:54:54.087 - 00:54:55.543
I thought that looked stupid and fake.
Drew
00:54:55.599 - 00:55:05.719
Yeah, well, I mean, consider the alternative. Consider the alternative. I'm sorry. They didn't have someone like, you know, you could cut my mouth up, But.
Kyle
00:55:05.807 - 00:55:14.271
Friday the 13th, man, like, every Friday. That's all practical effects. I mean, there are people out there that get. What's his face from Friday 13th. The Legend makeup artist.
Steph
00:55:14.463 - 00:55:15.679
Oh, is that Harry Houston?
Kyle
00:55:15.767 - 00:55:25.039
No. God, how could I forget his name? I'll look it up. But we did a whole. I did. With Matthew Blevins. But I mean there are practical effects, but they just.
But they're not going to spend money on it.
Steph
00:55:25.127 - 00:55:40.395
So specifically to that death, the two movies we have on our list for after this, which I'm not going to spoil because I want you to be to be surprised by the two that we've picked for the next two movies. One of them has a death like that done a million times, times better.
Kyle
00:55:40.435 - 00:55:40.651
Okay.
Drew
00:55:40.683 - 00:55:41.259
It's good to know.
Kyle
00:55:41.307 - 00:55:42.227
Yeah, Yeah.
Drew
00:55:42.411 - 00:56:01.975
I think that we. In a few times in these movies we've seen like ridiculous CGI or fakeness and. But the.
Of all the series, the one that stands out to me is the dumbest looking one was in Crow Salvation when like he was being healed and the blood was like. And it looked like someone just took like clay and like.
Kyle
00:56:02.835 - 00:56:04.779
And the blood looked like Sriracha. Right.
Drew
00:56:04.827 - 00:56:07.845
Yeah. I was like, I could go for a taco right now with ketchup.
Steph
00:56:07.885 - 00:56:08.357
It went full.
Kyle
00:56:08.381 - 00:56:12.805
Sriracha is the only fake blood. We have Sriracha out here spurting my skin.
Drew
00:56:12.885 - 00:56:15.625
Yeah. That had to have been the best, worst blood.
Kyle
00:56:15.925 - 00:56:24.237
Yeah. This is going to be an interesting one. It's two to one, by the way. Eats crow. The mask, the whole. Everything, the, the dress, the apparel.
Drew
00:56:24.341 - 00:56:34.497
I'll give it a. I'll give it a. Crows flies on that one. I thought, I thought he looked the part and I liked, I liked when he got the trench code.
Even before that when he was like pseudoscience suited up. That was pretty good.
Steph
00:56:34.681 - 00:56:42.041
Was very unmemorable for me. While I remember the scene when he finally went full grow. Just didn't care.
Kyle
00:56:42.113 - 00:56:42.457
Yeah.
Steph
00:56:42.521 - 00:56:45.065
Legit didn't care. So it's gonna be ikrow for me.
Kyle
00:56:45.145 - 00:56:54.313
Okay. I actually did go crow. Crow flies on this one. It's again looking at all of them together. They did do something very different here.
Drew
00:56:54.369 - 00:56:54.601
Yeah.
Kyle
00:56:54.633 - 00:57:16.563
You know, in even Salvation. Like they changed how the lines and how I got it. But here they, they do something a little different here and I do like it. It's interesting.
I do like that it occurs. And he's mimicking his. The bleeding eyes that he has when he, when he becomes the crow.
I thought it was at least an interesting stab and I like the way it looks. I just think I'm going to sound. I'm straight as narrow here, but I just think Bill Skarsgard is a great looking guy.
Drew
00:57:16.619 - 00:57:17.075
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:17.195 - 00:57:19.387
He's a. I sound like Trump. They're great looking guy.
Steph
00:57:19.491 - 00:57:19.779
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:19.827 - 00:57:30.999
And he just. I just. I like how he looks. I know it's weird.
I'M not a zoomer, but the mole at the face, I hated it at first, but eventually I kind of grew to like the Post Malone tatt. And I feel.
Drew
00:57:31.047 - 00:57:32.095
I feel that actually the way that.
Steph
00:57:32.135 - 00:57:33.223
Salvation did it better.
Kyle
00:57:33.319 - 00:57:33.599
Really?
Steph
00:57:33.647 - 00:57:33.943
Yeah.
Kyle
00:57:33.999 - 00:57:34.887
Okay. Interesting.
Steph
00:57:34.951 - 00:57:35.335
Yeah.
Drew
00:57:35.415 - 00:57:56.391
I think it's weird that he. He's in the afterlife and when he's getting his crow powers, Cronos, who we know is his name now just give. Giving him the. Giving them the look.
And then he comes back up and he. He's got all his powers, he's got his purpose. He's ready to go kill and kick butt. But beforehand he's like, I need to paint my face.
Kyle
00:57:56.503 - 00:57:58.967
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got it.
Drew
00:57:59.031 - 00:58:11.295
It would have made more sense to me if he came up and he already had all the paint because that just seems like a weird detour. Yeah, I'm gonna go to my roommate, give him his gun back, and then paint my face. Like, it just seems like an odd.
Kyle
00:58:11.335 - 00:58:22.679
And they make you think it's gonna allude back to the masked tattoo he has, you know, that he had the drama mask, but it doesn't look anything like that. But every time you see it, I think you're gonna. Gonna be a callback. But yeah, they didn't do that. So we're split two to two.
Steph
00:58:22.727 - 00:58:23.197
Yeah.
Kyle
00:58:23.311 - 00:58:24.209
Very divisive.
Drew
00:58:24.297 - 00:58:24.857
Oh, my goodness.
Kyle
00:58:24.921 - 00:58:27.565
Oh. Oh. By the bird of a feather.
Drew
00:58:30.585 - 00:58:30.945
How.
Kyle
00:58:30.985 - 00:58:32.805
Good are these bad guys, huh?
Steph
00:58:33.945 - 00:58:41.009
Again, the main villain. Good. Very generic, but still did his job well. Don't really remember anyone else.
Drew
00:58:41.097 - 00:58:47.497
Was. Was there really any other villains? The girl, Marion, she was like a hench. She was like the number two.
Kyle
00:58:47.561 - 00:58:47.921
Yeah.
Drew
00:58:47.993 - 00:58:57.709
I feel like in this movie we really should Only bad guys. It's really just bad guy. And if we're going by that logic, I'm gonna give it as the crows flies because he was fine. He was fine with this movie.
Steph
00:58:57.757 - 00:59:00.437
I disagree with you fundamentally, because in.
Drew
00:59:00.461 - 00:59:04.061
The scene, I get that a lot. Yeah. You're not wrong.
Steph
00:59:04.133 - 00:59:16.671
In the. In the death scene, there were like four or five of them there, including the girl.
I think in every single movie, that group has always been considered to be the best bad guys.
Drew
00:59:16.743 - 00:59:27.071
Yeah, there has been always.
It's always has been kind of like a video game style, killing one bad guy after another bad guy after another bad guy, which they didn't really kind of did in this movie. But you're right.
Steph
00:59:27.103 - 00:59:33.615
Like, that's where I'm saying yes, where I have to say, eat crow. Because they tried, but not hard enough.
Drew
00:59:33.695 - 00:59:43.785
You know what? Because the question was how good are these bad guys with an S? Plura. I'm gonna change my answer. I'm gonna change it to frickin kill the crow.
Eat crow.
Kyle
00:59:43.825 - 00:59:59.929
Eat the crow. I love it. Second conversion on Movie Wars 2. I love it. Yeah, I go eats crow too, man. And here's what I'll say.
Danny Huston's a bright spot in this film, but he's a generic. You said generic. He's a generic villain. Played very well. Yeah, but.
Steph
01:00:00.057 - 01:00:07.265
And this is where, if we were gonna rank it, I would rank it like a 6 out of 10. I don't think it sucks. I don't think it's that great either.
Kyle
01:00:07.345 - 01:00:31.285
Yeah, they tried to give us something different with the Satan influence and the fact that he's like a henchman of the devil because of a deal he made, but, you know, it's. It's. He plays him very well. But again, it's like it's not nearly as interesting as the villains in one. And it's just that. And they never.
That's one of the problems with the rest of the films from City of Angels onward is they never quite captured the unique, grown from the ground aspect of those villains.
Steph
01:00:31.325 - 01:00:42.177
And personally, I think Salvation did it the closest, just attacking a different type of enemy, being corrupt cops. But I still don't think any of them have lived up to the first one.
Kyle
01:00:42.241 - 01:00:57.529
It remains tight here. 3 to 2. Eating. Eating some crow, but some crows are flying. We'll see what happens here at. We're setting Movie wars history here.
All right, The Shitty City Award. This one's interesting. This one's been the most up and down throughout the entire franchise as far it.
Drew
01:00:57.577 - 01:01:07.291
It almost, dare I say, as far as crow mythology, the city was less good than even the last one. At least the last one was a shitty desert.
Steph
01:01:07.403 - 01:01:07.859
Yeah.
Drew
01:01:07.947 - 01:01:10.411
This one just like, I felt like it could have been taken at Nashville.
Kyle
01:01:10.443 - 01:01:12.115
Like on a really nice city.
Drew
01:01:12.155 - 01:01:12.811
Yeah, it was fine.
Kyle
01:01:12.843 - 01:01:13.931
Like tunnels and stuff.
Drew
01:01:14.003 - 01:01:30.815
Yeah, it was cool. And there was. And it wasn't even like some like we talked about in one of the earlier movies.
Like, it would be cool if the city looked nice, but there was a lot of like, darkness on the inside, so it still was like a shitty city. Yeah, but this one was just. It just. It's like, where were they? Cleveland? I don't know.
Kyle
01:01:32.195 - 01:01:32.979
Yeah.
Steph
01:01:33.147 - 01:01:34.619
So give your verdict.
Drew
01:01:34.707 - 01:01:36.935
Oh. So ikrow. Yes, thank you.
Steph
01:01:37.675 - 01:02:25.015
I think I'm about to diverge again because God damn it, again, this would be like a five and a half out of ten. I'm not saying they did a stellar job.
However, I do feel like not only did the city itself match the tone of the movie, but I also feel like the individual locations, the rehab slash, prison slash, whatever the it was supposed to be, it felt the way it should. It felt confining. It felt depressing. None of it felt great. I feel like they did a decent job of giving that a little bit of character there.
His apartment, I felt like, had a lot of cool character to it. I liked all.
Now, granted, as much as I hated the suffocation, I did like the fact that all the mannequins were covered in plastic to kind of foreshadow that's how were going to die.
Kyle
01:02:25.055 - 01:02:25.767
That was cool.
Drew
01:02:25.871 - 01:02:27.135
Oh, I didn't even pick. That was cool.
Steph
01:02:27.175 - 01:02:58.773
Yeah. So literally, as they're walking through that hallway, there's like a hundred mannequins all with a plastic bag over there.
So it kind of foreshadowed that. I thought that was interesting.
I thought the way that his apartment was set up, being in this kind of industrial space definitely gave me drug addict. Like, in a place where he was just able to find a place to stab a bed. I felt like that was cool.
I felt like the apartment that they went to when they first got out of rehab, that was her friend's apartment. It makes sense with knowing what her background is, why she would know someone with that much money.
Drew
01:02:58.869 - 01:02:59.437
Right.
Steph
01:02:59.581 - 01:03:10.525
The. The opera house, I thought, was a cool setting.
I am going to actually say crow flies on this because I felt like for what they were trying to do with the movie, the settings fit what they were doing.
Drew
01:03:10.565 - 01:03:10.877
Yeah.
Steph
01:03:10.941 - 01:03:18.967
I don't think they were fantastic. I don't think they were anywhere as unique as the first film. But I do feel like they fit what the movie was trying to do.
Drew
01:03:19.071 - 01:03:22.999
I'm not going to change my mind, but that is a good point. And it was always. The weather was always depressing.
Steph
01:03:23.047 - 01:03:23.279
Yeah.
Drew
01:03:23.327 - 01:03:29.175
Gloomy. And also, I think what helped this movie more than the setting was the soundtrack. Like, it was just a gloomy soundtrack.
Kyle
01:03:29.255 - 01:03:31.735
Joy Division, it was.
Drew
01:03:31.775 - 01:03:47.237
I didn't enjoy it. Like, I mean, the first one had some, like, good songs, but like this, the songs in this one made it more. It really. The movie just.
It felt like I was talking to a depressed, angsty, Gen Xer A, Gen Z. Yeah. So, yeah, like, and the music and the tone kind of set that.
Steph
01:03:47.261 - 01:03:56.397
Well, I agree with that. I felt like each time a new song played, it pulled me out of what they were trying to do. But that's a me thing. I fully admit that that's a me thing.
Kyle
01:03:56.461 - 01:03:56.893
Yeah.
Steph
01:03:56.989 - 01:03:58.445
But yeah, I'm gonna give it crow flies on this.
Kyle
01:03:58.485 - 01:04:22.025
You actually converted me. I was gonna go but I actually agree with you. You actually. Because I was really. Here's the thing. I get. I do this too.
I got really myopic and fixated on the fact that we. We open up in this rehab facility. You guys lovey dovey's over here. A couple of. Just a couple of crows banging wings together. I.
Steph
01:04:23.805 - 01:04:24.933
Don'T cut that out.
Kyle
01:04:25.069 - 01:04:28.025
I love it. I'm done. Focus.
Steph
01:04:28.525 - 01:04:29.005
I.
Kyle
01:04:29.085 - 01:04:34.325
What the was I saying before you guys started rubbing each other's arms on the emerald colored couch.
Steph
01:04:34.365 - 01:04:34.789
Now there's.
Drew
01:04:34.837 - 01:04:37.355
There's room for one more and chase anyway.
Kyle
01:04:37.515 - 01:04:39.055
And then Harry ran away.
Drew
01:04:39.915 - 01:04:41.075
The cat's not here.
Kyle
01:04:41.195 - 01:04:42.355
The cat's done with that.
Steph
01:04:42.395 - 01:04:43.015
Yeah.
Kyle
01:04:44.635 - 01:05:50.453
I was really fixated on the rehab because the rehab had this industrial look. Like it's. You know the fact that this is where we're going to try to. To help people become sober. But it looks like a prison.
I was prepared for an external world that matched that. That was. But then we kind of went out to just a very modern very and compared to the last one, very well lit. Very.
And I didn't like that it didn't match the tone because I kind of thought, oh, we're in a world where everyone's addicted to drugs. That's what they're trying to tell us. But no, it wasn't really that I was fixated in that. But you're right.
Like it's very well lit and even though it's a trope to do the opera killings, I love the. I did love the counter of his blood stained body going up each flight of stairs in this beautiful opera house.
And it was all filmed in the Czech Republic. So that was a historic. Yeah, that was a historic opera house.
And I did like that counter and I love kind of like counter intuition like juxtaposition where he's bloody and stained in death rampage and we're in this beautiful historical house. Yeah, I do love that. So I actually did change my answer.
They especially if I'm going to complain about what Wicked Prayer did where they had no thought. At least these are well staged, well lit and it's a good looking place.
Drew
01:05:50.589 - 01:05:52.109
I feel like I still want to disagree.
Steph
01:05:52.237 - 01:05:53.021
Feel free.
Drew
01:05:53.173 - 01:06:06.161
Last week when we did Wicked Prayer the argument was man, if they had just made it darker looking and if they just made it more like use the same color schemes the earlier movies and what I'm hearing Is like, never mind.
Steph
01:06:06.313 - 01:06:44.715
So that's not what I said, actually.
What I said was I feel like they could have leaned into the noir aspect of the Crow situation in a interesting way had they actually thought through the lighting of Wicked Prayer. Because, like I said, they're in the desert, so there's not really going to be any diffusion of light.
So you're going to have very harsh shadows, which is very indicative of noir. You could have easily made a. A. A desert noir kind of situation out of that movie, and they didn't.
They just chose to make sure everyone was visible, but there's no nuance, no creativity to the lighting.
Drew
01:06:44.795 - 01:06:46.651
Could they not have done that for this movie?
Steph
01:06:46.763 - 01:07:31.561
I see. I feel like they did. Personally, I feel like going through, like. Like this was almost a neon noir kind kind of situation.
Not quite to the point that, like, Blade Runner 49 would have been, but this had aspects, especially with his apartment and the very nice apartment where they're in and the Opera House. It. It had elements of noir. It had elements of neon noir that I feel like ended up working for the film's favor.
Again, if I was gonna rank this very specifically, I would only give it like a five and a half out of ten. I don't think they did a stellar job at making it unique, but I think they did a good job at making it feel like its own city, its own character.
Drew
01:07:31.673 - 01:07:32.009
Okay.
Steph
01:07:32.057 - 01:07:32.657
If that makes sense.
Kyle
01:07:32.681 - 01:07:34.565
You guys should touch each other arm again.
Drew
01:07:36.505 - 01:07:38.685
After that response. I don't think I want to.
Kyle
01:07:39.625 - 01:07:41.353
The tension's real weird.
Drew
01:07:41.529 - 01:07:46.985
I don't. That's one of those. I don't agree, but it's cool to have opinions.
Steph
01:07:47.105 - 01:08:06.103
Yeah, I think. I think your opinion is completely valid on it. I just see it a little bit differently as someone who has spent time behind the scenes.
And I can see the thought. I can see the effort put into this one versus the other one.
Literally just felt like someone who got out of film school that was like, we'll just make sure everyone's visible.
Drew
01:08:06.239 - 01:08:14.959
See? And I felt like this one in so many ways, including the setting. It's like they forgot maybe fundamental aspects of the Crow.
Steph
01:08:15.047 - 01:08:15.823
I don't disagree with that.
Drew
01:08:15.839 - 01:08:23.635
So if I was. If someone asked me to do a reboot of the Crow and I was a movie director, the first thing I would do would be watch the original.
Steph
01:08:23.715 - 01:08:24.043
Yeah.
Drew
01:08:24.099 - 01:08:43.507
And then, like. And also look at what people are saying and really figure out what are the things that, like, Crow movies have to have. I would even look at.
Look at the other ones and see, like, what are the similarities? And this one just felt like if. I guess the rebooting was like, we don't need any of that stuff.
Let's just make a new movie and put the crow on the intro credits.
Steph
01:08:43.571 - 01:09:00.659
But also remember what has has been one of the biggest complaints for all of the biggest franchises recently. And when I'm talking about this, I'm talking about Zack Snyder's Superman trilogy.
I'm talking about a few episodes of the last season of Game of Thrones. I'm even talking about the Batman is Everything's too dark.
Drew
01:09:00.707 - 01:09:01.051
It's true.
Steph
01:09:01.083 - 01:09:13.091
Everything's hard to see. Everyone's watching it on TV that have terrible glare. So when they watch it at home, the.
The actual nuance of how the movie was filmed doesn't show through. True. That is like, this did a better job.
Drew
01:09:13.203 - 01:09:21.619
I do. As much as I like the darkness in a lot of these movies and in like, Tim Burton's Batman, a lot of the newer movies, it does kind of.
I'm kind of like, yeah.
Steph
01:09:21.787 - 01:09:35.643
So I can see how if they're trying to make this for a Gen Z audience, they would have taken that kind of criticism in. In mind and while still leaning a little bit into the noir aspect, weren't going to go overboard with the lighting.
Drew
01:09:35.779 - 01:09:37.075
They didn't want to trigger anyone. 1.
Kyle
01:09:37.115 - 01:09:38.547
Yeah, we have a.
Drew
01:09:38.731 - 01:09:44.419
So sorry. As soon as it came out of my mouth, I was like, don't say that out loud. Well, you're halfway into it. Go ahead and finish the sentence.
Kyle
01:09:44.507 - 01:09:45.531
We have a tie.
Drew
01:09:45.643 - 01:09:47.683
This is it. This is the second time.
Kyle
01:09:47.819 - 01:09:51.355
Second tiebreaker. That's crazy. In one franchise, we got a tie. Two tiebreakers. Yeah.
Steph
01:09:51.435 - 01:09:52.011
Damn.
Kyle
01:09:52.123 - 01:09:55.059
Revenge served. Awesome. And then we're gonna get into our stack ranks.
Drew
01:09:55.147 - 01:09:55.675
Cool.
Steph
01:09:55.795 - 01:09:58.067
I. I'm gonna have to give it Eat. Grow.
Kyle
01:09:58.171 - 01:09:58.475
Yeah.
Steph
01:09:58.515 - 01:10:42.377
I don't think there was anything very unique about this. I think the fact that our.
Our lead barely had any interaction with the actual villain because, like with the first movie, our lead never interacted with the final villain until he found out he figured out he was the leader of this pack. That, to me, is different.
He had a tiny bit of interaction at the moment when he died, but the only reason he's even coming back is because for some reason she was intertwined with who he was. I don't think it did it a service. I think it was done poorly. I again watched this 3 1/2 hours ago, and I barely remember even the ending.
Drew
01:10:42.441 - 01:10:42.929
Death.
Steph
01:10:43.057 - 01:10:44.305
So I'm gonna have to go to Ikro.
Drew
01:10:44.385 - 01:11:03.973
I'm gonna give it To Ikro too. Because I don't know if revenge was his major motivation here.
I mean, yeah, he was get getting revenge, but the whole plot, it felt like to this movie was I want to save my girlfriend. And then towards the end he was like, I want to. I want replace where she's going. Like, I want to go where she's going so she can be saved.
Steph
01:11:04.029 - 01:11:04.245
Yeah.
Drew
01:11:04.285 - 01:11:15.381
So like everything he was doing, the motivation wasn't 100 revenge, which we've seen in the previous movies, been what those crows. Crows have been doing. But this crow, it was more about saving his girlfriend. It's more about saving versus avenging.
Steph
01:11:15.413 - 01:11:15.821
Yeah.
Drew
01:11:15.893 - 01:11:20.293
So I'm gonna go eat crows. Because also I didn't like the last death. Like, I didn't.
Steph
01:11:20.349 - 01:11:20.685
Yeah.
Drew
01:11:20.765 - 01:11:34.243
Like, it wasn't much of a fight scene. And yeah, you know, where's my bad guy getting spiked to death. As we had a few movies, where's the aura? Where's the crow vortex to suck them up?
Kyle
01:11:34.339 - 01:11:34.683
Yeah.
Drew
01:11:34.739 - 01:11:35.315
No.
Kyle
01:11:35.475 - 01:12:19.283
Yeah, it was weird. They totally take you out of the movie when that happens. With Danny Houston's character, I also go eats crow, man. I.
I just never bought enough into the love story for him to swap with her place in hell. Yeah, I just didn't see that. That type of relationship. And what's funny if that would have been the case in 1994 is the Crow.
I would have bought it because they. They visually, without any dialogue in the visuals, expressed their love so well that I bought into it. But here I just don't. I just don't. I just.
What. What are you. What are you giving me? That tells me that Eric is that selfless and that the relationship is that.
Is that pertinent that he's going to swap with her place in hell. That's a big thing to say, that I'll go to hell instead. It's like, really? How long did you know her? You know, it's like that was.
Steph
01:12:19.299 - 01:12:29.063
The other thing is it wasn't clear how long they knew each other. It seemed like when they died, if I hadn't seen anything before that, I would assume that they'd been together for months, potentially years.
Drew
01:12:29.119 - 01:12:29.455
Right.
Steph
01:12:29.535 - 01:12:32.167
When watching the movie, it felt like days.
Drew
01:12:32.311 - 01:12:51.985
Yeah, I think. I don't think it was properly seen, but like are presented to us.
But I think the impression was once they escaped and we were watching their like, love story, it was happening over time. So by the time that like he actually.
That she did, they did die, like they were in a deeper relationship than they had just met a Few days ago when they.
Steph
01:12:52.025 - 01:12:55.561
But comparing that to like when they found the body of the other girl and.
Drew
01:12:55.593 - 01:12:55.777
Yeah.
Steph
01:12:55.801 - 01:12:59.977
And all this other stuff happened, it literally felt like a period of 72 hours.
Drew
01:13:00.041 - 01:13:09.969
Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. I. I cared so little about them and their love story that I didn't. I didn't ask myself, how long has this been going on?
It's like it's been going on for too long in this movie.
Steph
01:13:10.017 - 01:13:11.329
That's how long it's been going on.
Kyle
01:13:11.417 - 01:13:13.711
40 minutes till we get some crow action up in here.
Drew
01:13:13.793 - 01:13:19.827
Yeah. No, an hour and 30 minutes. Let's not. Let's. Let's not. Let's not take away the awfulness of.
Kyle
01:13:19.931 - 01:13:23.539
Yeah. There was like a fake crow in there. Yeah. They fake us. Fake us out.
Drew
01:13:23.587 - 01:13:24.091
Yeah. Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:24.163 - 01:13:24.787
Kronos.
Drew
01:13:24.891 - 01:13:25.339
Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:25.427 - 01:13:32.531
A guy that we only four to three eats crow. And that is our crow series.
Drew
01:13:32.603 - 01:13:33.255
Yeah.
Kyle
01:13:33.555 - 01:13:41.301
I bit off more than I could chew. I was so excited to talk about 1990 nor for 1994. Forgetting where it goes from there.
Drew
01:13:41.373 - 01:13:41.845
Right.
Kyle
01:13:41.965 - 01:14:08.895
But we. We're gonna go through our stack ranks really quick. We gotta wrap up. But let me just real quick. I'll remind everybody. The crow was a. The crow flies.
1994. Then City of Angels was eats crow. Salvation was the crow flies. And then we gave a really big. A really big eat crow.
A lot of crow being eaten with wicked prayer. And this one, this one eked out. It was very close, but this one eked out as a neat crow. What are your stack ranks? Go ahead.
Drew
01:14:08.965 - 01:14:10.771
Crow 1994. Number one.
Steph
01:14:10.843 - 01:14:12.531
Obviously, I think we can all agree with that.
Kyle
01:14:12.563 - 01:14:13.175
Yeah.
Drew
01:14:14.195 - 01:14:17.179
It would be weird if any one of us said anything other than that.
Kyle
01:14:17.227 - 01:14:18.255
City of Angels.
Drew
01:14:19.475 - 01:14:31.795
Number two. I'm going to crow salvation. This is the part where I'm going to lose you guys. Number three. I'm going to go crow Wicked prayer.
I had more fun watching that movie than my last two. Number four.
Steph
01:14:31.835 - 01:14:33.535
Not too late to get another co host.
Kyle
01:14:34.555 - 01:14:36.619
No, I love it. Like that's what you want. You want.
Drew
01:14:36.667 - 01:15:16.713
That movie was. That movie was so bad. I found it fun to watch. And I think that's important because going back to what. What I'm about movies.
I'm there for the enjoyment. I don't. There's so much about. I don't care about things so much. I'm just chill vibes. That's all it is. Anyway, number four, I'm gonna put this one.
2024 Crow took way too long to get good. It did get good. And at the end I looked Back and I was like, I'm glad I watched that and I'm glad.
But if I had saw it on TV and I wasn't like, if I wasn't doing this podcast, I would have turned it off. Off an hour in. So I'm glad I didn't. And then I always like to let people know with movie rankings. And then there's the line of like.
And I'd rap after the next ones happen. After I prefer to sit in silence.
Steph
01:15:16.769 - 01:15:17.225
Yeah.
Drew
01:15:17.345 - 01:15:19.017
Those first four, I'm glad I watched.
Kyle
01:15:19.041 - 01:15:19.337
Yeah.
Drew
01:15:19.401 - 01:15:21.305
And then shitty of Angels is at the bottom.
Kyle
01:15:21.345 - 01:15:21.569
Yeah.
Drew
01:15:21.617 - 01:15:24.257
Like that is. I would rather watch a blank TV screen.
Kyle
01:15:24.321 - 01:15:26.985
That's crazy. Watch that. That's crazy, man. Yeah.
Drew
01:15:27.025 - 01:15:27.753
Damn.
Kyle
01:15:27.929 - 01:15:29.041
I love it. Thank you.
Steph
01:15:29.113 - 01:16:13.911
Yeah. So obviously OG number one. That's great. I'm gonna give the reboot number two. I think quality wise, I think it was did okay again.
I was split on some things. I had we simply gone with the way I ranked it, I think it would have barely eked out a crow flies. So I'm just. I have to give it number two.
Salvation number three. While I felt like the actors all did their job, I felt like very few other people on that movie did their job.
City of Angels being number four, which again, the crew all did their job. The cast and the director just ate shit on that movie. And then I cannot in any good conscience rate Wicked Prayer above.
Kyle
01:16:14.023 - 01:16:15.335
There's no list for it.
Steph
01:16:15.415 - 01:16:15.775
No.
Kyle
01:16:15.855 - 01:16:16.495
Anywhere.
Steph
01:16:16.655 - 01:16:25.855
It literally, it would be the top four blank TV screen, eat glass, Wicked Prayer.
Drew
01:16:25.895 - 01:16:38.147
I'm just saying, if you googled worst movies ever made in history, there might be a chance that Wicked prayers on it. Like, like it. And high up there. High up there. And. And I don't know.
Kyle
01:16:38.211 - 01:16:39.939
And Dennis Hopper's list of regret.
Steph
01:16:40.027 - 01:16:43.171
Yeah. I would rather watch the room than watch Wicked.
Kyle
01:16:43.243 - 01:16:44.643
Oh, gosh, that says a lot.
Steph
01:16:44.739 - 01:16:45.251
Yeah.
Kyle
01:16:45.363 - 01:17:06.721
So you and I actually have the same list. I actually made a game time decision for two. I struggled for two and three. I kind of wanted to go salvation in 2024.
I think after lots of great discussion. That's why I love this format that I did end up going 2024 for number two. So I got 1994 and that's on my top 50. So no brains or for bread?
What am I saying? No for bread.
Drew
01:17:06.753 - 01:17:08.765
I was so angry to nobody.
Kyle
01:17:09.465 - 01:17:10.337
Who are you?
Drew
01:17:10.441 - 01:17:13.005
Who are you yelling at?
Kyle
01:17:17.865 - 01:17:43.123
And I messed it up. Oh, God, I hate myself so much. I just. I wish I was. I wish I was Edward Furlong. 1994. Let's get back on track, Kyle. 2024 Salvation, City of Angels.
And again below the the pile of eating glass and stabbing myself in the eye with a welding.
Steph
01:17:43.179 - 01:17:44.899
Rather be shat on by a bear.
Kyle
01:17:44.947 - 01:17:50.679
You'd rather be shadowed than eaten by a bear. Somewhere down there in the third ring of hell is Wicked prayer.
Drew
01:17:50.787 - 01:17:51.471
Love it.
Steph
01:17:51.583 - 01:17:52.235
And.
Kyle
01:17:53.535 - 01:18:11.047
Well, dudes, this has been a blast. And also, the audience has been so stoked to have you guys.
Our first franchise we've ever tackled in Movie wars history, and we're gonna do more of them. Like he said, let us know what you want to tackle. Movies you love. This was a blast.
So we're gonna do a couple of individual movies to cleanse our palate, to.
Steph
01:18:11.071 - 01:18:15.103
Remind us they're gonna be decent movies. At the very least, some of them might actually be good.
Kyle
01:18:15.159 - 01:18:19.893
Yeah, maybe good. Maybe you like like some of them. But anyway, thank you so much. This has been a blast. I'm Kyle.
Steph
01:18:19.949 - 01:18:20.581
I'm Steph.
Drew
01:18:20.653 - 01:18:22.285
And I'm Drew. Have a good one.