The Crow: Wicked Prayer

Kyle

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The movie wars. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the movie wars podcast. And we are continuing our crow podcast series here. It's El Nino.

Get it right, Crackerjack. I'm Kyle.

Seth

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I'm Seth.

Drew

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There comes a time in every man's life where he's got to look at his kitchen and think, this isn't good.

Kyle

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I'm Drew.

Seth

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I forgot my quote, but it's. I now pronounce you devil and shorty. Oh, God damn it.

Kyle

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What in God's name?

Seth

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I hate everything so much.

Kyle

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I know.

Seth

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Usually I fuck you for making me watch this movie.

Kyle

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Yes. That's an old start off with usually. I put a lot of the monologue's. Like, my. That's my piece.

You know, I love, like, writing it, making it intricate, having. Putting my thoughts down. Literally, my only thought that I wanted to start off.

Start us off with was that last night I got a text message from Seth saying, fuck you. I hate you for making. Making me watch this. And I felt really bad because I hadn't seen this in years, and I honestly forgot.

Drew

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And now you know why.

Kyle

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And I kind of advertised it to you guys as a movie. That's so bad. It's funny, but actually, it's not that good.

Seth

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It's not.

Kyle

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It's so bad. It's not funny.

Seth

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There are so many thoughts that I have.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Drew

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I respectfully disagree. It was so bad, it made it so much fun to watch. I laughed more at this movie. Like, I probably.

I probably enjoyed myself at this movie more than any of the other ones. Now, if it was like, was it a good movie? Absolutely not. But that it's just, you know what it was. And we're all comedians. We can relate to this.

It was like watching a really bad comedian at an open mic. It was like watching just a train wreck of a comedy.

Kyle

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Like, one we all agree isn't funny and should stop, but they just. Persistent.

Seth

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But they're so bad that you end up laughing because of how bad.

Drew

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And it's part of the experience. And at the end of the night, you and all the. The other people in the crowd are like, we experienced that together.

Seth

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Yeah.

Drew

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And it's just like, I think it's. I mean, Seth, we were talking about this. Cause he's talking. Cause here's my theory.

And it may not be the case, but my theory is that going into it, this is more believable to me, at least. Going into it, they were like, let's make an awful, really bad movie just for the fun of it.

But Seth was telling me that a lot of people make really bad movies and think like, man, this was the best movie ever.

Seth

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Oh, I've worked on a few of those and get rough.

Drew

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I just can't believe that Tara Reid and the director and all these other people after the movie came out and they watched it. Can't believe they were like, man, that's gonna win an Oscar. Like, there's no way. There's no way.

Kyle

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There are lots of creatives. And I'm 37. I started off in a band. I did stand up. Now all this stuff, I write book. You know, I do everything. And you just meet people.

And this isn't me saying I think I'm special. But I've had points in my careers where. Various careers where I've gotten affirmation, I've gotten a song on the radio. I played zanies.

Like, things have happened where at least somebody said, okay, you're good at that.

Seth

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A little.

Kyle

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At least a little bit.

Seth

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You're not terrible.

Kyle

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Yeah. You're not terrible. You're not the best, but you're definitely not the worst. That's fine. But you meet some people that in their mind, they are.

They think so highly and it's so delusional.

Drew

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Yeah.

Kyle

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And it's so delusional that is this movie.

Seth

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Yes.

Drew

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I'm just. Yeah, I'm gonna start calling those people the wicked prayer.

Seth

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Oh, my God.

Drew

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That's what I'm gonna say. Like, you're just a wicked prayer, man. That's a weird compliment.

Kyle

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I was definitely praying this would end. This whole.

Seth

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Yeah. The first thing I wrote down with regard to this movie was simply spin kick.

Kyle

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Yes.

Seth

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That is where 35 seconds into the actual movie starting. That is where I said, what the fuck? For the first time of probably 200 times throughout this movie, I'll be honest.

Drew

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My first thought, the muscle car drives by, the guy gets out on a wife's sleeveless shirt. I'm like, oh, my gosh. And he has a baseball line like Vin Diesel.

Seth

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Yeah.

Drew

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Fast and Furious universe has finally crossed over with the crow.

Seth

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So here's my first theory as to why the movie was so bad. I think they spent half the budget on those custom paint jobs for those cars.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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Like, I think that's where the 2 million went. And they were like, oh, shit, now we actually gotta make the movie. And they didn't have enough money. That's my first theory.

Kyle

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Yeah. And random cameos from famous pop stars.

Drew

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Love it.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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We got. We got Damon John before shark Tank, founder of Fubu. We've got Macy Gray we've got Danny Trejo. We. It's like, how did.

How did we get these people in the movie?

Drew

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They knew it was the perfect movie. They knew this was.

Seth

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Let's be real, though. Danny Trejo has not made the best movies. He's made some great ones. Not all the best.

I do think Damon John should not have gotten on shark Tank after this movie.

Kyle

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Yes.

Seth

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How did they see that? He funded this movie. He was the executive producer on this movie. How did they see that? He invested in this and still went, no. Yeah, you're.

You make wise choices.

Drew

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You make great financial businesses. Yeah. On a show about.

Kyle

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We should ask men. We should try to get on shark tank and, like, try to get, like, investment from him for our, like, baby food Tupperware business.

Like, actually, I don't want to work with you. I saw. I saw wicked prayer. I don't want you in my life.

Seth

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Or we.

Drew

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We go on there and we pitch wicked prayer without saying wicked prayer, and everyone just like, that's the. Are you on drugs?

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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That would be the greatest April fool's joke on that show ever. I just.

Drew

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I mean, there's so much about this movie that is so dumb that I love it. I think my fate. My. Just my favorite thing. Well, no, there's a lot. I don't even know what my favorite thing, but this is a thing.

I'll mention the fact that the villain could have won. Like, Satan could have won if he had just literally finished having sex with Tara Reid, which doesn't sound that hard.

Kyle

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Maybe he couldn't get it hard.

Drew

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I don't know. But it's like, it's like, that's the plot. Like, I'm not, like, I'm not, like, giving a fun, like, little twist of, like, a comedic.

No, like, that is literally. That's how the bad guy would have won at the end was if he had finished the job.

Kyle

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Yeah.

Seth

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Fuck me, babe.

Kyle

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Yeah. Yeah. Even Satan has problems performing at the right time.

Drew

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Yeah, he had a lot of pressure. He had a time frame. Old. I mean, he's older. So, like, you know, but can I. Can I say one thing about the movie?

And maybe this might be the only good thing, but out of the. All the series, and we're gonna review the next one next week. And so at this point, we've watched all of them, so I feel comfortable saying this.

This one spends the most time developing the villains we actually like. The villains literally have more stage time than the actual crow. The hero of the. Like, they, like, you know more about why they're the way they are.

And sometimes it's almost like there was that. There was one line that terror Reid had where she's like, I don't want to go back to being a nobody.

And suddenly you understood why she was having sex with Satan, which is weird.

Seth

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She called someone a useless slut, which I feel like is the pot calling the kettle black in that situation.

Drew

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Yeah. Yeah. Not perfect, but I did like that they took time developing each terrible villain.

And, of course, I mean, the real person, the real hero and person we should feel sorry for is that hearse driver. Oh, my gosh.

Seth

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That's Damon John.

Drew

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Yeah.

Seth

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I did not feel sorry for him in the slightest, because. Why did you fund this piece of shit?

Kyle

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I'm not wearing fubu anymore, ever.

Seth

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I never have and I never will.

Drew

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I mean, I love just watching him rock out when he was driving the Hirsch. Like, I was like, that guy's what a great day this dude was having. And then it went straight to hell, literally.

Seth

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I will say that was the best acting he did, was just that moment.

Drew

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Where he's like, dude, he's grooving. He's grooving. And then one point when he's like, how are you still a virgin? This movie was delightful. Good. No?

Kyle

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Yeah. Some of the thoughts I had that I wrote down. Well, first of all, back to your comment about.

I think the reason we got to know these villains so well is because they cast Edward Furlong as the lead, and he's a train wreck. He has no business leading this film.

Seth

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He's so bad. So bad, they couldn't decide if he was gay or nothing.

Kyle

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Yes. He had enunciation things. A lot of people comment on that about his weird annunciation. He's not confident. He doesn't know martial arts.

Anytime they asked him to do anything that required movement, he looked like me. God.

Drew

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I think the rule in movies is you need to be able to do whatever better than I can. If I can get.

Kyle

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Look the same ass. Beat some ass. Like, seriously, he looked awkward. Anytime he had to deliver a punch, half the movie, it feels like he's getting his ass kicked.

Drew

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Also, like, at one point, they were like. They were asking like, are you an angel or devil? And he's like, I don't even know. And I was like, that's the most believable line you read.

It's like, you don't know anything that's.

Seth

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Going on with this movie. You're just reading cue cards.

Kyle

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Do you know that you're in a movie right now?

Seth

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These are cameras.

Kyle

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But he was, you know, he showed us some stuff in american history. Acts like he can act.

And part of his plight is that, you know, he was a child actor and one of the most beloved and innovative movies of all time, but he didn't necessarily grow up.

Drew

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Why are you talking about the crow? Wicked prayers.

Kyle

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Yeah, the wicked prayer. Yeah.

Seth

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I mean, it is the saddest, like, decline fucking from, like, you just said, t two to what the hell did you do eleven years later? Like, why?

Kyle

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And what the hell happened? Like, at least Eric Mabias, like, he came from Hallmark. That's not great. But he's still a lot better than furlong.

Seth

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I mean, oh, my God. It's like that. Well, I guess people don't. Like, really. Hayden Christensen, when he came in as Anakin and then every movie he's done since and was.

Everyone was like, oh, he sucked. And then the sequel trilogy came out, they were like, actually, he was pretty good.

Kyle

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Yeah. Yeah.

Seth

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The problem is, I don't think people are gonna watch this new one and look back on this one any fonder. Yeah.

Kyle

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Yes.

Drew

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No.

Seth

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Oh, my God.

Drew

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Although. So this one was straight to dvd, correct? VCR.

Seth

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Do they know that when they made it?

Kyle

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This one, they did know.

Seth

00:10:02.408 - 00:10:02.720

Okay.

Kyle

00:10:02.760 - 00:10:03.024

Yeah.

Drew

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I swear, they. They just went out of their way to make a shitty movie. Like, they were, like. They were like, we don't care. No one's gonna see it.

Let's just have fun being ridiculous. It was a parody of movies. I feel like.

Kyle

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Well, this is the comments I had, and this is how I'll try to describe it. You remember my chinese football jersey illusion from last episode?

Seth

00:10:18.458 - 00:10:19.070

Yeah.

Kyle

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And when I say a bad dream, I don't mean it in the cliche. Like, it was like a bad dream. Like, really think about the bad dreams you have. Like, the worst dreams you have are bad because they don't make sense.

Like, I had a dream once that my wife left me. Cause I buried her jelly beans in the backyard.

Seth

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Yeah.

Kyle

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You know what I mean? Like. Like, dreams that are scary because you're like, what's happening? The jelly beans.

And then I also had another dream where my wife was gonna leave me, but that she wanted me to interview her new husbands, potential husbands, over. And it was my job to, like, why is. Why is this happening? That's what watching this movie was like. It's like, I couldn't figure out why it was so bad.

It was so disjointed. Like, the. The way things. Everyone's acts. Like they're reading off of it. Like, everyone got a different script in the mail.

You know, it's like a discover your own adventure book in that way. And I don't know what I'm seeing, actually. I'm sitting here trying to think, why is this so bad? But I cannot come up with a. It's just so. It's.

There's so much malaise happening.

Seth

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I will say my dreams are usually better lit than this movie was.

Kyle

00:11:19.060 - 00:11:19.348

Yeah.

Seth

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Movie had some of the flattest, most boring lighting. Here's what I will give. We all agree the first crow was a fantastic movie. We're just gonna pretend that we're now only looking at all of the sequels.

The thing that made the other two sequels watchable was the fact that it looked like everyone was trying to do their job. Well, the lighting guys were killing it. In the other movies, they weren't as great as the original, but they still were doing a good job.

This one, they were just like, all right, put some lights up. Make sure you can see everybody. And don't go for any nuance whatsoever. You just want to see everything.

Drew

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It was just an.

Seth

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Oh, bad.

Drew

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It was. They were like, let's. Let's make it a western. Let's just do it. The other ones are like, western.

Seth

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We know we're gonna admit they're gay.

Drew

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It was like, all the other ones are, like, dark, gritty cities. And then this one's like, how about the Sahara desert?

Seth

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Except they filmed it in Utah and pretended it was Mexico. Like, even. They couldn't even go to Mexico to make this movie. They had to go to Mormon country.

Drew

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You know, I was cool. I was cool with the random dystopian. We're in a desert. Like, it's like with these movies.

And that's, you know, something maybe we'll talk about in the next one is, like, I. One thing that I really like is when they just stay in the crow universe.

Like, it's like, okay, this is just another story of, like, a crow coming and kicking somebody's ass like this. Like, they keep it. Like. I mean, after the first one, I really thought they were gonna keep it in the same city, and that would have been cool.

But now that I know that, like, every movie is supposed to, quote unquote, stand alone. Some of them shouldn't even be standing, honestly.

Seth

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But, like.

Drew

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But now that I know that that's a thing. Like, when I saw that, it was just in some kind of dystopian poor, like, I don't know, somewhere, I was like, okay, whatever, but it's just so dumb.

But see the difference between. Cause, like, I would say this one was better than the city of angels, because when we.

And we said this, when we watched the city of angels, we were like, nobody looks like they're having a good time. Nobody wants to be here. We don't even want to be here.

These people were filming such a crappy movie and saying such stupid dialogue, and somehow looked like they were having a blast doing it.

Seth

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Like, I thought they were making art.

Drew

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I think they all ran into each other at a cracker barrel on a Sunday afternoon and said, let's make a movie. And then they went and made a movie, and that's how we got wicked prayer.

Kyle

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Well, David Boron was having a good time. The guy playing loot crash, I think he was the only one having a good time, which, by the way, it was so funny to me when we first meet him.

Like, apparently he was in prison for really bad crimes. Like, you find out later, but it doesn't. It just look like he's on a cleanup crew. Like, getting, like, a speeding ticket, doing community service.

It's like, what is he, like, picking up cans?

Drew

00:13:54.140 - 00:13:59.920

Yeah. It was like, what? In this movie? One day, I was like, where's the backstory? And I was like, oh, I don't think they're going to do a backstory.

Kyle

00:14:01.140 - 00:14:27.918

They try. My only other thought I had was that any. It's funny seeing the zeitgeist around this franchise that's been.

That was exploded around the remake coming out like the very passionate, faithful. You know, crow fans like myself came out in droves. Yeah, but this film that is all gone like this.

Either it had evaporated, and I would see a lot of reasons it evaporated. The whole gothimo thing that was really popularized by the first film had disappeared.

Seth

00:14:28.014 - 00:14:37.758

But see, here's the thing. The first film, Brandon Lee actually looked like a terrifying goth.

This one, he literally just looked like he was mad that his mom wouldn't let him go to warp tour.

Kyle

00:14:37.854 - 00:14:38.134

Right?

Seth

00:14:38.182 - 00:14:44.014

Like, that level of emo, just, like, sitting in his room. Cuz tonight won't be the night. Like, that kind of guy, he kind.

Kyle

00:14:44.022 - 00:14:51.086

Of looked like a war boy from Fury Road. Just. He kind of looked lumpy. You know? He's like, this is the guy.

Drew

00:14:51.238 - 00:14:55.750

He looks like a teenager with drug problems to me. Like, I was like, I've seen you in my drugs, Adderall.

Kyle

00:14:56.530 - 00:15:09.130

Well, that's what's sad. That's who Furlong has been in real life.

You know, he's been in and out of rehab and I really thought after american history acts, he could have done, but he just. I just don't think he could, you know, keep it together.

Seth

00:15:09.250 - 00:15:10.506

Yeah, they do.

Drew

00:15:10.578 - 00:15:41.474

And we'll talk about this in the next movie, too, but, like, because they didn't. In the next movie, but, like, I do like, when it. How. Whenever they become.

You see, like, a similar personality once they become the crow, like, once they get overpowered by the bird, I guess. I don't know. I don't know the science behind what happens there. But there's, like a.

There's like, a frantic kind of manic energy that each of them bring. Some of them brought better than others, but, like, you see that, and I've always enjoyed watching that for the past few movies.

We'll get to the next movie when we get to the next movie.

Kyle

00:15:41.522 - 00:15:53.598

Yeah. Nice. Well, hey, remember, if you have any fans that love wicked prayer, make sure you send it to them.

They're in a desert somewhere pretending to make Robert Rodriguez guys fans, but honestly.

Drew

00:15:53.694 - 00:15:59.950

Send it to them and then, like, give them a hug, because they probably got a lot of problems. If they're like, this is an awesome movie, like, go hang with them.

Kyle

00:15:59.990 - 00:16:19.510

Like, yeah, check on them. Check on your people. But for real, if you love movie wars, we love you guys. Thanks for supporting us.

The easiest thing you can do is send it to a friend. Use that share button on social media text message. We love y'all. All right, the questions. Here we go. This is. This is. This one. Hit me instantly.

Remember, I read and write these like a talk show host.

Seth

00:16:19.550 - 00:16:19.940

Yeah.

Kyle

00:16:20.030 - 00:16:26.940

Did Dennis Hopper even have a script here, or did they give him a mound of cocaine and a fur coat and say, just go do what you can?

Seth

00:16:28.320 - 00:16:38.168

Unfortunately, I think he put too much thought into every word that was said on this film. I think he came out of whatever cocaine vendor he was on.

Kyle

00:16:38.224 - 00:16:38.600

Yes.

Seth

00:16:38.680 - 00:16:41.744

Like, this is gonna be my 2001.

Drew

00:16:41.872 - 00:16:45.464

He did sound like every time he's speaking, I was like, he's trying so hard.

Kyle

00:16:45.592 - 00:16:46.000

Yes.

Drew

00:16:46.080 - 00:16:51.890

I mean, it. Like, it was like he might have been one of the actors that'd been like, this is the best.

Seth

00:16:54.230 - 00:16:56.374

I think he was truly acting his best.

Kyle

00:16:56.462 - 00:17:11.790

Yeah. And this is what happens when you find actors at their crossroads.

I mean, we saw with Nicolas Cage and Wesley snimes, with the Ir's Edward furlong here, obviously. And Dennis Hopper has been in and out with. With things, with, you know, substance as well, and they make decisions.

Drew

00:17:11.910 - 00:17:24.640

Maybe everyone. I mean. Cause if you look at the cast, like a lot of them, and have had close contact with drug problems. Maybe they were all on a trip, like an.

Can you imagine filming this movie when you're on acid? That's what happened.

Kyle

00:17:25.660 - 00:18:10.566

Well, and you talked about giving too much effort. I could actually see that because I and movie war fans are going to hit me over the head for talking about this again.

But one of my favorite improv's of all time is his as the journalist in Apocalypse now when he's in. There's a ton of outtakes, too, that didn't make it to the final cut.

That are amazing of him walking around Martin Sheen while he's in the bamboo cage, and he's, like, improving this thing about the galaxies. And he was very high in the movie while he was doing it, but he literally improv. And, like, you're like, he made that up. It was incredible.

I could see him, though, coming to this movie like, I'm prepared. Yeah, I read my lines. I did the coke. I did the coke, you know, but I actually. I actually do have a rando for it. But it's. It's a fun.

It's a funny rando. But anyway, shout out to Dennis Hopper as El Nino here if you're watching.

Drew

00:18:10.678 - 00:18:11.610

Thanks, man.

Kyle

00:18:12.750 - 00:18:24.370

Next question. How is it that Jimmy is the kind of guy that will beat a rapist to death, but also sit on a swing and ponder?

Why is there so many scenes of him pondering on that swing under the tree?

Seth

00:18:24.450 - 00:18:25.738

He's a sad boy.

Drew

00:18:25.914 - 00:18:28.130

He's a deep, emotionally deep character.

Kyle

00:18:28.210 - 00:18:32.458

This is the worst crow. It has to be the worst, like, crow figure.

Seth

00:18:32.514 - 00:18:34.250

Oh, absolutely. Oh, my God.

Kyle

00:18:34.290 - 00:18:36.110

What were they thinking with Furlong?

Drew

00:18:36.530 - 00:18:37.706

I might agree with that.

Kyle

00:18:37.778 - 00:18:42.962

He's, like, staring into the distance on a swing, but yet I'm supposed to believe he killed a rapist and that's why he went to prison?

Drew

00:18:43.026 - 00:18:46.128

He missed his. He missed his woman. I don't know.

Kyle

00:18:46.264 - 00:18:53.728

Yeah, I don't know. I don't listen, I don't like. I don't like to kick ass and ponder. You either ponder, you kick ass, you either write poetry, or you're fucking.

Drew

00:18:53.824 - 00:19:01.984

Kind of the people, the kind of people that ponder aren't like, oh, let me go, brutally murder this someone, because usually in the pottery pondering, they're like, oh, there's probably a better way of handling this.

Seth

00:19:02.032 - 00:19:09.778

I feel like he had just finished reading the Art of War by Sun Tzu, because that's kind of the whole point, is you are supposed to ponder the universe and then go kick some fucked ass.

Kyle

00:19:09.834 - 00:19:11.786

Yeah, except he didn't kick ass.

Seth

00:19:11.898 - 00:19:14.034

That was the worst fighting I've seen in all the movies.

Kyle

00:19:14.082 - 00:19:19.594

He's getting his ass kicked the whole time. Like, I feel like half the time, I'm like, what is he. Is he gonna kill anybody in this movie?

Seth

00:19:19.642 - 00:19:23.458

It's like he killed everybody by accident. Failing upwards.

Drew

00:19:23.514 - 00:19:29.474

He definitely was, like, the weakest crow. Like, and I mean that, like, in the. Like, he did the least amount of ass kicking.

Kyle

00:19:29.522 - 00:19:29.970

Yeah, just.

Drew

00:19:30.010 - 00:19:32.210

He just. He just existed the whole time.

Seth

00:19:32.250 - 00:19:34.298

He just looked like Joe Biden falling upstairs.

Kyle

00:19:34.314 - 00:19:39.114

Yeah. Why did he come back? Like, he came. He came back to literally just do nothing.

Drew

00:19:39.202 - 00:19:43.230

Can you imagine the crow that had to, like, empower him? He's like, really? This guy?

Kyle

00:19:44.610 - 00:19:45.274

Yeah.

Seth

00:19:45.402 - 00:19:52.970

I feel like it would have been a better movie if they had pulled a t three and turned to a woman to come back instead of it being just another lady.

Drew

00:19:53.010 - 00:19:58.794

Honestly, the lady that died, she had some more acting potential there.

Seth

00:19:58.842 - 00:20:00.674

Absolutely. She would have been a wave crow.

Drew

00:20:00.722 - 00:20:01.626

He would have been. Yeah.

Kyle

00:20:01.738 - 00:20:02.810

Oh, Emanuel Shrieky.

Drew

00:20:02.850 - 00:20:12.332

Yeah. At this point, I'd seen enough of these movies, or I was impressed with their acting performance. Oh, this character is going somewhere.

But then I was like, she's. I mean, she's gonna die.

Seth

00:20:12.396 - 00:20:12.780

Yeah.

Drew

00:20:12.860 - 00:20:15.956

Five. Except for the next one when she's in it for half the movie.

Kyle

00:20:16.028 - 00:20:24.876

Yeah. Which is funny. She would become very beloved, you know, an entourage. I mean, she's a. She's a.

She's pretty good actress eventually, but it seemed like it. Yeah.

Seth

00:20:24.948 - 00:20:30.180

You can only do so much when you're handed a terrible script. Yeah, she did her best, I think.

Kyle

00:20:30.220 - 00:20:31.460

And we're supposed she was the best.

Seth

00:20:31.500 - 00:20:32.676

In the entire movie.

Kyle

00:20:32.828 - 00:20:41.028

Yeah, I agree. I didn't think about that. But, yeah, she probably. If there's.

If you have to say someone did the best job here, you know, give someone a cookie, I guess she gets the cookie.

Seth

00:20:41.084 - 00:20:42.194

Yeah, I think so.

Drew

00:20:42.372 - 00:20:45.158

That's no fun. I want to look at who did the worst job.

Kyle

00:20:45.214 - 00:20:47.206

Like, who. Who was furloughed.

Seth

00:20:47.278 - 00:20:49.150

That's. That's debatable.

Drew

00:20:49.230 - 00:20:55.486

But he wasn't enjoyable to watch, honestly, the henchmen that, like, the chino Ortiz, is famine.

Seth

00:20:55.558 - 00:20:56.214

Yeah.

Drew

00:20:56.382 - 00:21:01.990

The guy. The guy chosen from Cobra Kai, who was also in this. Like, he was a drunk.

Kyle

00:21:02.070 - 00:21:04.030

They used to. My mom used to put me in.

Seth

00:21:04.150 - 00:21:11.798

Also, can we talk about the number of times both Edward Furlong and the villains would cover themselves in gasoline while dousing a place?

Kyle

00:21:11.894 - 00:21:12.656

Just random.

Seth

00:21:12.758 - 00:21:15.420

And then not catch on fire when they lit the matches.

Kyle

00:21:15.460 - 00:21:15.676

Yeah.

Drew

00:21:15.708 - 00:21:16.060

Yeah.

Seth

00:21:16.140 - 00:21:18.860

I'm like, you clearly don't know how gasoline works.

Kyle

00:21:18.900 - 00:21:22.320

This is bad. This must be some bad gas out there.

Seth

00:21:23.020 - 00:21:31.676

This is a problem I have with movies in general. Mythbusters has proven you cannot light oil with a cigarette.

Kyle

00:21:31.788 - 00:21:32.196

Yeah.

Seth

00:21:32.268 - 00:21:43.052

Like, it is physically impossible. And I see it in so many shitty movies where, like, the villain just flicks the cigarette and then suddenly there's a big old fire.

It's physically impossible. Stop doing it, Hollywood.

Kyle

00:21:43.196 - 00:21:43.564

Yeah.

Drew

00:21:43.612 - 00:21:53.492

So the fact that, um, it was a. Was a cult bringing back Satan and that a crow empowered a dead person to bring him back to stop. That wasn't the unbelievable part.

Seth

00:21:53.516 - 00:22:00.964

No, that's all fine. I get all that. But trying to light a whole pool, like, both water and oil, with a cigarette, fuck off.

Drew

00:22:01.052 - 00:22:02.116

Okay. Good to know.

Kyle

00:22:02.188 - 00:22:04.964

Yeah, that's interesting. I didn't know they had, but, hey, they had busted that.

Seth

00:22:05.012 - 00:22:06.084

Oh, yeah. Completely.

Kyle

00:22:06.212 - 00:22:06.700

Mm.

Seth

00:22:06.780 - 00:22:07.908

Yeah. The things, you know.

Kyle

00:22:07.964 - 00:22:11.284

I love it. Last question. Did everyone get the same script here?

Seth

00:22:11.372 - 00:22:11.668

No.

Drew

00:22:11.724 - 00:22:13.532

No. That's the fun of it.

Kyle

00:22:13.716 - 00:22:18.028

Or did they purposely send. It feels like everyone thinks they're in a different movie. Yeah.

Seth

00:22:18.044 - 00:22:18.844

Yeah. I think.

Drew

00:22:18.892 - 00:22:20.076

Throw them together and see what happens.

Seth

00:22:20.108 - 00:22:28.292

I think the director, day by day, potentially hour by hour, was just doing more lines and would do edits, but only give them to certain people.

Drew

00:22:28.476 - 00:22:36.750

Or maybe, like, I know. Cause we actually, all of us probably have a hand to know in this. Like, when you edit something, sometimes you take just the biggest heap of trash.

Kyle

00:22:36.830 - 00:22:37.326

Yeah.

Drew

00:22:37.438 - 00:22:40.302

And you're like, let me try to make a movie out of this.

Kyle

00:22:40.366 - 00:22:40.774

Yeah.

Drew

00:22:40.862 - 00:22:46.374

And so maybe if there was, like, in a director's cut or an extended of the unedited of what this movie was.

Kyle

00:22:46.422 - 00:22:46.694

Yeah.

Drew

00:22:46.742 - 00:22:54.030

It would have been far worse and so ridiculous. But at least you're like, oh, it's the same script. So the editor had to be like, how do. What do I.

Kyle

00:22:54.150 - 00:22:54.974

How do I do this?

Seth

00:22:55.062 - 00:22:56.198

What do I do?

Kyle

00:22:56.294 - 00:23:01.118

They could have used the weinstein cut, like, on City of Angels. Like, we could have used their hacksaw skills here.

Seth

00:23:01.174 - 00:23:04.492

This was already the shortest of most of these movies, and it.

Kyle

00:23:04.516 - 00:23:04.724

Yeah.

Seth

00:23:04.772 - 00:23:06.132

Still way too long.

Kyle

00:23:06.196 - 00:23:12.044

I know. I was literally praying that it would end. Like, I was like, wicked prayer. Like, I. That is my prayer. Like, stop.

Seth

00:23:12.132 - 00:23:12.492

Yeah.

Kyle

00:23:12.556 - 00:23:13.196

Right now.

Seth

00:23:13.268 - 00:23:18.364

I was excited when I saw it was an hour 40, and then by 30 minutes into it, I was like, what the.

Drew

00:23:18.412 - 00:23:27.036

It could have. They could have. They could have made it, like an hour movie. I think even just. If it was, it could have stayed just as stupid but shorter.

And that would have actually helped it, I think.

Seth

00:23:27.068 - 00:23:31.972

To legally be considered a feature film, it had to be at least an hour 15. I would have been okay with that?

Kyle

00:23:32.036 - 00:23:32.332

Yeah.

Seth

00:23:32.396 - 00:23:36.172

Hit the bare minimum if you're going to produce a heap of shit like this.

Kyle

00:23:36.316 - 00:23:39.660

Yeah. And there is a lot of scenes of nothing happening.

Seth

00:23:39.700 - 00:23:39.964

Yeah.

Kyle

00:23:40.012 - 00:23:42.604

It's just literally like this, Baron.

Seth

00:23:42.692 - 00:23:57.920

Even the death scene, like, when they fucking kill both of them, a. I thought they were gonna make out, like, the way that they're just, like, tightly hugging each other's faces and. Or squeezing themselves closer.

I literally thought it was about to be like. You thought you downloaded the wrong movie. I thought.

Kyle

00:24:00.220 - 00:24:02.290

About Luke and I in Cuervo.

Seth

00:24:02.330 - 00:24:02.666

Yes.

Kyle

00:24:02.738 - 00:24:03.106

Yeah.

Seth

00:24:03.178 - 00:24:04.430

Oh, my God.

Drew

00:24:05.810 - 00:24:10.962

Of course, I wouldn't want them to make the movie longer, but what I would have liked in this story. There's so many things I would have.

Seth

00:24:10.986 - 00:24:11.834

Liked in this story.

Drew

00:24:11.962 - 00:24:20.498

But one thing is, this is the first time, I think, where we have the crow and the nemesis who have, like, a shared backstory.

Seth

00:24:20.594 - 00:24:20.938

Yeah.

Drew

00:24:20.994 - 00:24:32.490

They have history, and we get so little information other than that they used to be really tight and maybe one almost flashback, and then you're just left to ponder.

Kyle

00:24:32.650 - 00:24:33.322

Yeah.

Drew

00:24:33.466 - 00:24:52.074

And, like. And then, like. But when they're fighting each other, like, their.

You know, their occasional dialogue is alluding to the fact that they used to know each other so well. I'm like, did you? Because I don't know. Like, at least I think.

I think the way I might be mixing up movies here, the way that he eventually ultimately died was kind of. Didn't he get, like, impaled?

Kyle

00:24:52.242 - 00:24:55.066

Yeah. So it was supposed to be a nod to top dollar.

Drew

00:24:55.138 - 00:25:05.550

Yeah, so I. Because I feel like they. They do that occasionally in these movies, and I like it when they do that because it isn't.

It's like, oh, remember that time we made a good movie in this series? Just hold on to that.

Kyle

00:25:05.930 - 00:25:20.110

Is there anything. Is there anything that happened in the first one we could at least do here just to. Just to make this mildly interesting? How about we impale a guy?

Oh, you mean blood? I don't know if we have any blood on set. Isn't this a movie about people killing people? Yeah, but we don't have any blood.

Drew

00:25:20.490 - 00:25:23.754

Meanwhile, someone's like, hey, what if we, like, had a plot? And they're like, no, no, no.

Seth

00:25:23.762 - 00:25:27.714

Come on, let's pretend Tara Reid's an actual trained sniper.

Kyle

00:25:27.802 - 00:25:31.618

Good God, she's a train wreck. Dear God, I.

Drew

00:25:31.674 - 00:25:38.962

You know, I could watch her for the entire two hour movie if it was just her. I'd be like, good enough.

Kyle

00:25:39.106 - 00:26:00.998

Maybe because of what american pie is about and I haven't seen it.

I didn't like, those movies, and I haven't seen one in years, but maybe because of the theme and what those movies are about, it padded us from basically every single one of those actors and actresses. Like, we just really. Because it's what it's about. Like, we just don't know what their skill sets are. Putting her here, I was like, oh, my God, it's.

Seth

00:26:01.054 - 00:26:06.518

I mean, she did a better job in Sharknado than she did in this. And I think that says something.

Kyle

00:26:06.574 - 00:26:07.326

Yeah, I just.

Drew

00:26:07.438 - 00:26:14.414

I mean, she was. She did awfully here, but I feel like they. I feel like she was trying to be a terrible actress.

Seth

00:26:14.542 - 00:26:19.070

That's the problem, is I don't think she was. I think she actually thought she was doing a good job.

Kyle

00:26:19.190 - 00:26:21.494

Yeah. Sharknado gets an Oscar compared to this.

Seth

00:26:21.542 - 00:26:23.090

Yes, absolutely.

Drew

00:26:23.630 - 00:26:36.054

I don't. I don't want to live in a world where these people are actually trying to act in this movie and, like, thought it was good. I like. It's a gig, man.

I can't. No, I can't do it.

Kyle

00:26:36.142 - 00:26:36.798

It's a gig.

Drew

00:26:36.894 - 00:26:42.534

I think. I think they all got together and say, let's make a really shitty movie, and it'll be fun to watch with our grandkids.

Seth

00:26:42.582 - 00:26:47.844

I think someone handed her 50 grand and said, we're going to have you in the desert for two weeks. Enjoy yourself.

Drew

00:26:47.932 - 00:26:50.068

Also, you're gonna have sex with Satan. Okay, cool.

Kyle

00:26:50.084 - 00:26:51.788

And bring a halter top, but not quite.

Seth

00:26:51.844 - 00:26:58.860

You're gonna almost fully have sex with him, but he's gonna stop, and then you're gonna say a Hail Mary. Cuz you're trying to find a curse.

Drew

00:26:58.940 - 00:27:10.444

But also, like, randomly in the movie. It shows, like, her tragic backstory with ninja, like, just that flashback, and you're like, oh, sorry, Tara Reid, I suddenly feel for you a little.

Seth

00:27:10.612 - 00:27:11.716

Yeah, it didn't help me.

Drew

00:27:11.788 - 00:27:14.670

Yeah, I don't know.

Kyle

00:27:14.750 - 00:27:41.094

Rando. Rando, the way this reverb in my headphones is right now, Rando, man sounds like I'm at the bottom of a whiskey barrel, which I wish I was.

What's really sad about this is the movie we didn't get. And you actually. You actually found this out, and I. And I had found it out, too, when you texted me. I was laughing, because when I read it.

This is insane. This movie was originally wicked. Prayer was called the Crow Lazarus.

Seth

00:27:41.182 - 00:27:43.374

Yeah. DMX already better name, by the way.

Kyle

00:27:43.422 - 00:27:47.038

Already better anytime you toss an old biblical term. Yeah, pretty good stuff.

Seth

00:27:47.094 - 00:27:47.694

Yeah.

Kyle

00:27:47.862 - 00:27:55.102

DMX was going to play a rapper who was died and resurrected. He was going to come back to kill a record executive played by Eminem.

Seth

00:27:55.206 - 00:27:57.286

Which would have been so cool.

Kyle

00:27:57.358 - 00:28:02.990

It would have chops 8 miles. I mean, love it, but, I mean, he's good in it.

Seth

00:28:03.030 - 00:28:03.650

Yeah.

Kyle

00:28:03.990 - 00:28:08.136

Now, granted, he's not really veering away from his personality much in it, but.

Drew

00:28:08.208 - 00:28:24.240

I wouldn't want him to. If I saw him in Crow Lazarus, I wouldn't want to see anything less than Eminem from eight mile anyway. But can you.

Maybe you're getting this in your rando. But they heard of that plot, and they're like, no, that. That won't be very good. And then they made wicked prayer.

Seth

00:28:24.320 - 00:28:24.980

Yeah.

Drew

00:28:26.600 - 00:28:30.576

They're like, we can do better. And then this was better.

Kyle

00:28:30.688 - 00:28:31.856

Yeah, I would.

Drew

00:28:31.928 - 00:28:39.352

You're right. I would have loved that movie, and I would have been so let down at the end of it if I didn't see, like, a freestyle rap battle.

Kyle

00:28:39.416 - 00:29:00.852

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this was during a time period where. Where it was very fashionable to put rap artists in movies. I think training day came out in 2001.

It had Snoop Dogg, and I think doctor Dre was one of the. Was in it, too. So this was definitely. And the thing is, too, it would have been a little.

It probably would have been a little more well accepted, because that was the trend, and it was freshen and, like.

Seth

00:29:00.876 - 00:29:02.092

But I made it to theaters.

Kyle

00:29:02.156 - 00:29:26.034

It could have. And they have no. None of the rock music that we love. It has none of the, you know, the gothing is over. At least it would have been relevant.

Yeah, maybe. I mean, Macy Gray.

I love Macy Gray, but she was basically a one hit wonder, and she's here, like, yeah, you put DMX in this thing, and they tried to put DMX in a lot of movies, and I don't know why he never ends up, like, in some of the old episodes of movie wars. I feel like his name comes up as a potential cast.

Drew

00:29:26.132 - 00:29:26.926

Yeah, a lot.

Kyle

00:29:27.038 - 00:29:29.650

I'm just like, why were they trying to put DMX and everything?

Seth

00:29:30.550 - 00:29:38.342

I mean, you go through those periods.

Like, there was a period during, like, when Avatar came out and when Terminator Salvation came out, they were trying to put Sam Worthington everything.

Kyle

00:29:38.446 - 00:29:38.774

Yes.

Seth

00:29:38.822 - 00:29:47.422

You do have moments where, like, everyone's like, no, no, we can make some serious money off this guy. We just got to throw him in everything for five years, and then everyone's gonna get tired. Yeah, but we'll have all the money.

Kyle

00:29:47.486 - 00:29:48.214

Russell Crowe.

Seth

00:29:48.262 - 00:29:56.776

Yeah, see, he's made a nice, long career out of it. Yeah, he took his fame and has been, like, just ridden it for the longest time.

Kyle

00:29:56.888 - 00:29:59.752

Yeah, I know what you're saying about Sam worthy is like, can you be a cyborg?

Seth

00:29:59.816 - 00:30:00.064

Yeah.

Drew

00:30:00.112 - 00:30:00.936

Can you be a top?

Seth

00:30:01.008 - 00:30:01.660

Yeah.

Kyle

00:30:02.040 - 00:30:03.248

Can you be a cowboy?

Seth

00:30:03.304 - 00:30:04.232

Yeah, exactly.

Kyle

00:30:04.296 - 00:30:05.168

Do it all, baby.

Seth

00:30:05.224 - 00:30:09.408

Put him in 20 movies and five years, and then no one will hear his name ever again.

Kyle

00:30:09.504 - 00:30:14.888

That's gonna happen to Glenn Powell right now. That's Glenn Powell. Can you chase tornadoes? Can you be a hitman?

Seth

00:30:15.064 - 00:30:16.608

Can you do Hallmark?

Kyle

00:30:16.784 - 00:30:17.552

I love it.

Seth

00:30:17.616 - 00:30:25.574

My theory, though, on why the other movie didn't get made is because Harvey Weinstein heard they wanted to do a black crow, and he was like, uh uh, no way. It's gotta be a white guy.

Kyle

00:30:25.662 - 00:30:27.910

Yeah. You think so? Is he a racist guy?

Seth

00:30:27.990 - 00:30:28.846

He's a terrible person.

Kyle

00:30:28.878 - 00:30:29.878

I mean, he's a horrible person.

Seth

00:30:29.934 - 00:30:32.206

I mean, put it past him for being racist.

Kyle

00:30:32.398 - 00:30:41.622

Yeah. And it's probably because he's not good looking. You know what I mean? That's why he can't get out. You know, sometimes people get.

I was like, well, he looks nice. Harvey Weinstein is an awful person. That also looks awful.

Seth

00:30:41.726 - 00:30:49.930

My favorite little factoid about him was that that really figured ugly orc in return of the King Peter Jackson literally designed.

Kyle

00:30:51.150 - 00:30:53.590

That would be a great subtle job. Is that actually the truth?

Drew

00:30:53.630 - 00:30:54.526

Actually true.

Seth

00:30:54.678 - 00:30:59.662

He came out in an article, like, a year or two ago and was like, oh, no, I definitely turned that guy into Harvey Weinstein.

Drew

00:30:59.686 - 00:31:05.510

Gosh, every argument Harvey Weinstein's in now is going to always end with the other guy being like, well, at least no one designed an orc after me.

Seth

00:31:05.550 - 00:31:06.130

Yeah.

Kyle

00:31:06.870 - 00:31:15.714

God, this would be a side podcast. We could talk hours, but it really is amazing how many people walked around Hollywood knowing how big of a piece of shit that guy was.

And for decades.

Seth

00:31:15.762 - 00:31:16.338

Oh, my God.

Kyle

00:31:16.394 - 00:31:20.842

But he was the cash cow. I love it. Rogan even pushed a tarantino on it.

Seth

00:31:20.866 - 00:31:21.430

Yeah.

Kyle

00:31:21.850 - 00:31:24.750

For the first time ever, Tarantino wasn't confident, you know?

Seth

00:31:25.250 - 00:31:25.722

Yeah.

Kyle

00:31:25.786 - 00:31:34.586

Because he made the business. Yeah, well, I didn't know. You didn't. You didn't see the casting couch there. Anyway, he's come up so much because of the series.

Drew

00:31:34.698 - 00:31:35.730

I know. I was like. I feel like.

Seth

00:31:35.770 - 00:31:37.190

I feel like not doing.

Kyle

00:31:38.050 - 00:32:28.790

Yeah, we got a. We got a good slot coming in here. All right, and what's my next rando here?

So my funny question earlier, what I found out later about Hopper was, and I think this is a paraphrase, I couldn't find exactly what he said, but apparently, when he arrived on set, he asked the director in some form or fashion this question. So you're telling me that if I say these words in order, people will understand what they mean. He had no idea, and I have no idea.

The three of us in comedy, when you're in comedy, we have been around the craziest, most aberrant, drug fueled. I mean, we've seen it all, right? At this point, after doing stand up as long we have, I didn't understand a fucking thing he said. No, just like, why?

Why were these words written on paper?

Drew

00:32:29.690 - 00:32:32.258

Because someone thought, let's make a terrible movie.

Kyle

00:32:32.314 - 00:32:32.666

Yeah.

Drew

00:32:32.738 - 00:32:36.408

And wouldn't it be funny if Hoffer said this?

Kyle

00:32:36.464 - 00:32:51.552

Yeah. It doesn't. And that's why I talked about in, in the beginning, why it felt like a bad dream.

Like, it just feels like from scene to scene, nothing connects. It's just like the way it's played, what's written on the paper. It just is like, was that random?

Seth

00:32:51.616 - 00:32:51.904

Yeah.

Drew

00:32:51.952 - 00:32:52.200

Yes.

Kyle

00:32:52.240 - 00:32:56.560

Is this your James Joyce moment? Is this your Ulysses stream of consciousness?

Drew

00:32:56.720 - 00:32:59.112

They asked AI to make a Crow movie.

Kyle

00:32:59.256 - 00:33:01.380

That is exactly what it is before.

Seth

00:33:01.880 - 00:33:07.340

GPT back in 2008. I mean, please write a script. And this is what it came out with.

Kyle

00:33:07.420 - 00:33:09.188

Yes. I feel like it would come up.

Seth

00:33:09.204 - 00:33:12.244

With a better one than almost definitely.

Kyle

00:33:12.332 - 00:33:30.204

This is. I just. What's happening? Like, that was my big question. I'm just like, every scene, I'm like, what was that? I've never had a movie this bad.

At least Wicker man. And they were basing it on a really good movie. At least Wicker man had like a week. We get it, we get the point.

But this movie, I'm literally just every sim, like, what the fuck?

Drew

00:33:30.372 - 00:33:33.198

This was probably the worst movie I've seen in a while.

Seth

00:33:33.254 - 00:33:38.782

Oh, absolutely. It was one of those movies. If someone asked me what it was about, I could not explain the plot to you.

Kyle

00:33:38.846 - 00:33:40.490

Yeah, we've got some real.

Drew

00:33:40.910 - 00:33:57.326

I think. I think you could explain the plot, but you would have to keep a straight face as you're explaining the plot. Yeah.

So basically there's a cult that brings satan back. And the only reason to keep Satan there is if he has sex with terror Reed.

And then there's this guy that his girlfriend dies and then he comes back because of the spirit of a crow, resurrects him.

Seth

00:33:57.358 - 00:34:02.732

And somehow all the native Mexican. Mexicans sound racist while speaking in their native accent.

Drew

00:34:02.846 - 00:34:11.664

Oh, and all refrigerator, there's this virgin who works at a funeral home. I would love to explain the plot to somebody.

Kyle

00:34:11.712 - 00:34:16.784

You're right. If you had to explain it. But. But listening to you explain it is more entertaining than any part of the movie.

Seth

00:34:16.832 - 00:34:25.260

Completely. Absolutely. This another. This is another one of those movies.

We're, like, halfway through, I just got up and started working out, because I was like, I can't. I can't.

Drew

00:34:25.600 - 00:34:37.490

And maybe that's why this movie didn't bother me as much, because I was watching it while I was, like, eating lunch, while I was getting ready to go to Louisville, I was. I was. My brain was doing other things as I was watching whatever was on the screen.

Kyle

00:34:37.530 - 00:34:39.426

I'm surprised you could keep your lunch down.

Seth

00:34:39.618 - 00:34:42.738

I was all in on this movie while I was watching it for the first hour.

Kyle

00:34:42.834 - 00:34:47.110

Drew, I think we need to cover a movie where he doesn't feel the need to work out in the middle of it.

Drew

00:34:49.410 - 00:34:56.818

That's the sign of a good movie, where it's like, if Seth decides not to put himself through physical pain, a.

Kyle

00:34:56.834 - 00:35:00.630

Movie so good, you're like, how can I do anything but watch this movie right now?

Drew

00:35:02.310 - 00:35:04.614

And you're telling me that wasn't the wicked prayer for you?

Kyle

00:35:04.742 - 00:35:05.486

Oh, my God.

Seth

00:35:05.558 - 00:35:07.030

Yeah, no, I was.

Kyle

00:35:07.070 - 00:35:15.062

I cleaned my. I'm not gonna lie. I cleaned my kitchen. It's my job to be super in tune. I was cleaning my kitchen. Yeah, I changed two diapers that night.

Drew

00:35:15.166 - 00:35:32.744

I was. I did a show in Louisville with comedians I'd never met. And before the show, I did try to.

I was telling them, I was like, I just watched the wicked prayer. And they're like, what? We've never even heard of that? I'm like, no, but, like, this is.

As soon as I explained it, I was like, I get why you guys don't seem enthused, right?

Kyle

00:35:32.792 - 00:35:33.848

Yeah. Yeah.

Seth

00:35:33.944 - 00:35:40.704

To be honest, the title wicked prayer makes it sound like it's gonna be a Boston cop movie or a Blair.

Kyle

00:35:40.752 - 00:35:43.376

Witch or a hocus pocus, something witch related.

Seth

00:35:43.488 - 00:35:45.696

Yeah, it's the wicked prayer, buddy.

Kyle

00:35:45.768 - 00:36:05.616

Yeah, it does. It does have a bostonian tone to it. But then you see the desert, and you're like, oh, God, where's the pub? Oh, my God. And then we don't.

I don't even want to get into it, but the coal miner, like, they got the coal miner thing thrown in there. By the end of the movie, you're like, wasn't there a coal mine? What was that about?

Seth

00:36:05.808 - 00:36:13.420

Did they briefly mention it, like, right near the end, where he's like, we can't have to build a casino. And I'm like, this sounds like it's better for everybody.

Drew

00:36:13.720 - 00:36:14.120

Yeah.

Kyle

00:36:14.160 - 00:36:24.808

This town could use a facelift last rando. And this is just shameful. I mean, the only actress doing any form of work here. That's. That's. Is Emmanuel Shrieky here?

Seth

00:36:24.864 - 00:36:25.464

Yeah.

Kyle

00:36:25.632 - 00:36:55.208

There are repeated references to Lily as the blue eyed indian, and they need her eyes. She clearly has brown eyes. You don't even have. They don't even. And they zoom in. You see them, but you don't even have to zoom in.

There are thousands of frames where she clearly has brown eyes, but for some reason, we need a blue eyed Indian, and she's not even indian. These folks are. It's a made up tribe of people that are hispanic. It's like. And maybe they're Aztecs, but it's happening near America.

I just don't even understand.

Drew

00:36:55.384 - 00:37:15.504

So I'm telling you, when they were at cracker barrel 15 minutes before they filmed this movie, when they were writing this movie, they were like, wouldn't it be funny if we talked about blue eyes and then used brown eyes for the entire time? Because that makes more sense than them being like. Of all the women in Hollywood that are trying to get a role, blue.

Kyle

00:37:15.552 - 00:37:17.820

Eyes, you couldn't find one with blue eyes.

Seth

00:37:18.120 - 00:37:27.300

Again, it's just this movie was so bad that somehow the native hispanic people speaking their native accents sounded racist as hell.

Kyle

00:37:27.340 - 00:37:27.884

Yes.

Seth

00:37:28.012 - 00:37:34.252

It sounded like the worst white person. This is how I think Mexicans speak, and I'm just gonna do it.

Drew

00:37:34.316 - 00:37:43.532

I'll be honest, I didn't really realize that they were hispanic. I thought they were just a bunch of white, white racist cowboys. Like, I figured they were symptoms of their time.

Kyle

00:37:43.636 - 00:37:49.812

That's one of the jokes about this. You're supposed to somehow think they're native, but they're also hispanic, so maybe they're.

Drew

00:37:49.836 - 00:37:52.580

As I thought they were native to Alabama.

Kyle

00:37:52.700 - 00:37:54.708

Yeah, yeah. I was like.

Drew

00:37:54.724 - 00:38:02.188

I mean, when. When he was, you know, the. The dad, the disapproving dad of their. The relationship, I was like, well, I mean, we've all.

We've all been there into the south, you know?

Seth

00:38:02.244 - 00:38:20.326

Yeah, I will say, I. I'm gonna have to disagree with you that she had the best acting in the whole movie.

I think the best acting moment of the whole movie was Danny Trejo shaking his titties around to resurrect the crow. I think that was the strongest performance I've ever seen him give. I was hard. They were moments.

Kyle

00:38:20.398 - 00:38:21.110

They were beautiful.

Drew

00:38:21.190 - 00:38:24.822

I was just like, of course, this is exactly what this movie.

Kyle

00:38:24.926 - 00:39:17.282

At least one of them was a c. I do think, before we get to the score, fuck the war card. I've been doing this for years. There's repeated with the with God, I love y'all.

This is, to me, is malpractice. And here's why. This rando is I'm crossing my arms. Cause I'm so Madden myself right now.

This is because, first of all, Tara Reid must be so bad at this that she never. She never thought. While she's saying the line about the blue eyes and she's literally staring at Emmanuelle Shrieki like.

And assuming it's her, not a stunt double, and she's staring at her, fixing to pretend to cut her. She never thought for a second, well, she doesn't have blue eyes. It never crossed her mind.

Also, would it really have done any worse for this movie if they just changed it to brown eyes? Was it really gonna be the.

Drew

00:39:17.306 - 00:39:21.174

No, it's the blue. It's the crux of holds the whole plot together, apparently.

Seth

00:39:21.222 - 00:39:23.966

Like, apparently blue contacts are just too expensive.

Drew

00:39:24.038 - 00:39:24.318

Right?

Kyle

00:39:24.374 - 00:39:32.366

They couldn't change one word and one stupid actress couldn't point it out. Nobody could point it out. They're all around her. Right. Shriek. He was on set.

Seth

00:39:32.438 - 00:39:33.046

Yeah.

Drew

00:39:33.198 - 00:39:41.894

I really tried to look up, like, with, like, I think I typed, like, something with terror. Reid, like, what? She interviews with her about this movie. No one has anything to say about their time in this movie?

Seth

00:39:41.942 - 00:39:45.118

No, it was, like, the one everyone wants to.

Kyle

00:39:45.254 - 00:39:49.090

Yes. Speaking of that, shall we pray?

Seth

00:39:49.630 - 00:39:50.078

Yeah.

Kyle

00:39:50.134 - 00:39:54.278

Shall we get wicked? Shall we come out of the frigerator?

Seth

00:39:54.414 - 00:39:55.450

Oh, my God.

Drew

00:39:56.630 - 00:39:57.678

Every man's life.

Kyle

00:39:57.774 - 00:40:09.862

All right. Top bill cast. And the top bill cast is real weird here, because I'm looking. Usually.

Usually IMDb is in order, but I don't necessarily think we need to get too fancy. Let's just say Edward Furlong here.

Drew

00:40:09.886 - 00:40:10.294

Okay.

Kyle

00:40:10.382 - 00:40:11.174

What do you think, Drew?

Drew

00:40:11.262 - 00:40:15.190

So, that that was. I always got to make sure I'm thinking the right person. That was the crow, the lead guy.

Kyle

00:40:15.230 - 00:40:15.746

Yeah.

Drew

00:40:15.878 - 00:40:20.002

Care less about him. Oh, Eddie, give him a good.

Kyle

00:40:20.186 - 00:40:21.930

John Connor was a long time ago.

Seth

00:40:22.010 - 00:40:26.642

Yeah. But he still had the same twelve year old energy. Ten years later.

Drew

00:40:26.706 - 00:40:37.850

He did. He did him as a character, and this did nothing for me. To me, it was more fun to watch the villains.

At one point, I was kind of rooting for the satanic cult. I was like, you know, just wrap it up.

Seth

00:40:37.890 - 00:40:43.840

I'm literally looking through my notes, trying to find something positive I wrote about him, and, yeah, there's nothing.

Kyle

00:40:44.540 - 00:41:12.546

Yeah, I I have a place in my heart for Edward Furlong because I'm such a die hard Terminator fan, and. And that John Connor thing is so cool. And when I was a kid, it was so cool watching another kid being such a great big movie. But this is.

If we haven't just pissed on Brandon Lee's grave, if we haven't just squatted and taken a shit in the. At 12:00 in the afternoon where everyone can see it and taking a shit on Brandon Lee's grave, we just did it. This is the least physical.

Seth

00:41:12.658 - 00:41:13.042

Yeah.

Kyle

00:41:13.106 - 00:41:35.530

The least interesting, the most awkward. I mean, it makes Vincent Perez look, like, freaking sly here. I mean, it. This is just. And it's. But it's nonsensical. Like, it's.

It's not just that it's bad, but I'm asking myself, there was no one else. There wasn't a maybe it's on the hallmark channel. There was nothing.

Is it because no one would do it or you just like, Edward Furlong was in town that week.

Drew

00:41:35.570 - 00:41:38.368

Everyone else read the script, and they're like, no, thank you.

Kyle

00:41:38.464 - 00:41:38.928

Yeah.

Drew

00:41:39.024 - 00:41:43.744

Edward Furlong was like, I mean, I got a. I got an empty 2 hours I can cover here.

Kyle

00:41:43.792 - 00:41:45.352

He's like, I love this. Let's do it.

Seth

00:41:45.416 - 00:41:47.272

He needed the 50 grand, you know.

Kyle

00:41:47.296 - 00:42:00.392

Like, maybe Arnold doesn't even call him back. Like, you know? And Arnold's like, apparently the nicest guy in Hollywood, you know? And then. But Edward Furlong calls him. He's like, oh, no.

So we're all in agreeance here. That ate some major crow.

Drew

00:42:00.536 - 00:42:01.220

Yeah.

Seth

00:42:01.520 - 00:42:02.616

Oh, my God.

Kyle

00:42:02.768 - 00:42:15.628

All right. Supporting cast. And I'm going to. Because it's so forgettable.

With the last two movies, I've had to remind myself who they played because they were so forgettable. So we got Yuki Akamato as persist. What is it, pet? Pestilence.

Drew

00:42:15.724 - 00:42:16.356

Pestilence?

Kyle

00:42:16.428 - 00:42:22.020

Pestilence. That's a hard word to say. And he was the first guy to dump gasoline all over himself for absolutely no reason.

Drew

00:42:22.100 - 00:42:22.876

Why not, man?

Kyle

00:42:22.948 - 00:42:24.972

Marcus Chong, he was spin kick. Yeah.

Seth

00:42:24.996 - 00:42:27.200

That's Finn kick. Yeah. Yeah.

Kyle

00:42:27.740 - 00:42:31.652

Marcus Chong is war Tim. Tito Ortiz is famine.

Drew

00:42:31.756 - 00:42:32.840

Oh, God.

Kyle

00:42:33.180 - 00:42:50.846

Tara Reid is Lola Byrne. And then David Borean's as Luke crash. And I'm trying to think, oh, well, I guess we got to go through a lot of these.

The priest was played by Rosenberg. Salgado, obviously. We got Danny Trejo as Harold, and then we got some of the other ones we talked about earlier with John.

Seth

00:42:50.918 - 00:42:51.286

Yeah.

Drew

00:42:51.358 - 00:42:57.254

I'm going to give him. I mean, again, going on the theory that this movie is so bad. It was good, which is how I felt about it.

Kyle

00:42:57.262 - 00:42:57.454

Yeah.

Drew

00:42:57.502 - 00:43:02.454

I had fun watching it. And it was all because of the supporting cast. They were so ridiculous.

Kyle

00:43:02.542 - 00:43:02.926

Yeah.

Drew

00:43:02.998 - 00:43:06.174

So, like, you know what they, I'm going to give him a thumbs up. I'm going to give him as a crow flash.

Kyle

00:43:06.262 - 00:43:06.814

Mm hmm.

Seth

00:43:06.902 - 00:43:10.110

I I seriously question your judgment.

Kyle

00:43:10.270 - 00:43:11.638

Oh, I'm sorry. I am too.

Drew

00:43:11.694 - 00:43:22.326

Listen, from episode one of movie wars 2.0, I right away said, I don't know things. I don't care. I just watch movies and if I enjoy them, they're good.

Seth

00:43:22.438 - 00:43:23.902

If I don't enjoy movies and I.

Drew

00:43:23.926 - 00:43:28.970

Don'T know things and I don't care to know things, I just, you know, I live my life a quarter mile at a time.

Seth

00:43:29.590 - 00:43:30.526

Piece of merch.

Kyle

00:43:30.598 - 00:43:31.250

Yeah.

Seth

00:43:31.670 - 00:43:33.774

Just watch movies and don't know things.

Kyle

00:43:33.822 - 00:43:34.124

Yeah.

Drew

00:43:34.182 - 00:43:34.392

Drew.

Kyle

00:43:34.416 - 00:43:35.744

Dad, I don't know things.

Drew

00:43:35.832 - 00:43:41.296

I don't, and I don't want to know things. Like when. No, we're really unhappy. Smart people. All right. You know?

Kyle

00:43:41.328 - 00:43:41.632

Yeah.

Drew

00:43:41.696 - 00:43:43.704

So anyway, I gotta give it a crow.

Seth

00:43:43.792 - 00:43:59.540

I'm sorry. It, there is, there was literally nothing positive I could pull out of this movie, even down to the one person I think actually tried.

Still didn't do a good job. Yeah, it's, it's a huge ecrow.

Kyle

00:44:00.050 - 00:44:21.710

I respect your game. I respect your commitment to what you said. And I love that you, and you managed to drop your, you dropped your line again.

But I also magnificent crow. Dick. Here's what makes me mad. We're all creatives, right? And we all do a lot of things. You do music, comedy.

Like, we all just, we're like, what's that word? Polymath. You know?

Drew

00:44:22.410 - 00:44:24.670

That's not the poly I thought you were going to go with.

Kyle

00:44:25.850 - 00:44:33.872

Yeah, we're all polyamorous with everybody. I I do movie wars because I love movies.

Seth

00:44:33.936 - 00:44:34.224

Yeah.

Kyle

00:44:34.272 - 00:44:46.232

And I know that for, for just like anything else, you would probably ask a lot of actors. Like, it's a job. Eventually it does become a job. Unless you're a Daniel Day Lewis or a Joaquin.

Like, they do it because they, they love the challenge. They love the art.

Seth

00:44:46.296 - 00:44:46.808

Yeah.

Kyle

00:44:46.944 - 00:44:53.888

But it makes me so mad. It just seems that nobody ever raised their hand and just said, what the fuck?

Seth

00:44:53.944 - 00:44:54.248

Yeah.

Kyle

00:44:54.304 - 00:44:55.500

Are we doing here?

Seth

00:44:57.400 - 00:44:59.530

Why? Why are we here?

Kyle

00:44:59.690 - 00:45:05.074

This is, this makes no sense. And nobody on set is saying Brandon Lee is. People like him.

Seth

00:45:05.122 - 00:45:05.330

Yeah.

Kyle

00:45:05.370 - 00:45:31.000

Like, people are sad he's dead. And we're, like, still doing this in this way. Tara Reid's not like she has brown eyes. No one has any questions. Take pride in what you do. Danny Trejo.

I mean, yeah, I mean, his best work is probably heat. And then Robert, my kids, and then Rodriguez and, yeah. Machete's fun for what it is. He's done good work.

He's one of the most beloved films of all time. He does a good job. His name's also Danny in it.

Seth

00:45:31.040 - 00:45:32.780

Yeah, I.

Kyle

00:45:33.200 - 00:45:40.424

But he didn't. I mean, maybe no one wanted to be out and about. Maybe in between scenes, they ran right back to the trailer. They were like, I can't.

Drew

00:45:40.472 - 00:45:42.500

They don't want anyone to know that they're.

Kyle

00:45:43.120 - 00:45:52.880

So that's why I give it the most massive eat crow ever, because I just. Someone has to raise their hand and say, we just got to change something. About what?

Drew

00:45:53.000 - 00:45:56.408

Hey, can. Can we make a good movie? Is that okay? Like, what anyone wants.

Seth

00:45:56.424 - 00:45:59.884

I know I signed a contract, but can we try?

Kyle

00:46:00.012 - 00:46:00.388

Yes.

Seth

00:46:00.444 - 00:46:01.492

Just a little bit.

Kyle

00:46:01.556 - 00:46:03.724

Does anyone want a future in acting here?

Seth

00:46:03.772 - 00:46:03.996

Yeah.

Kyle

00:46:04.028 - 00:46:15.556

Does anyone. Does this. What? You want this to be your last stop?

And did no one walk up to Dennis Hopper say, weren't you in an apocalypse now, one of the greatest movies ever made in history of film? And no one ever walked up and said, what are you doing here?

Seth

00:46:15.588 - 00:46:19.876

Like, did no one walk up to Damon John and say, you should stick.

Kyle

00:46:19.908 - 00:46:24.800

With fashion, stick with clothes, and I hope you never do a show about investing in weird businesses.

Seth

00:46:25.650 - 00:46:29.002

How did he look? Like he'd never smoked weed before.

Kyle

00:46:29.146 - 00:46:37.282

I know. He looks very. I know. It's like, dude, you made clothing for people whose job is to smoke weed?

Seth

00:46:37.306 - 00:46:37.506

Yeah.

Kyle

00:46:37.538 - 00:46:44.910

Like, that's literally part of the job description. Yeah, big time. But I do appreciate the commitment. Poetic killings.

Seth

00:46:45.810 - 00:46:46.682

There were none.

Kyle

00:46:46.746 - 00:46:47.194

There were.

Seth

00:46:47.242 - 00:46:49.186

Yeah, they were just so bad.

Drew

00:46:49.298 - 00:46:53.528

Yeah, yeah. None of the killings were memorable, I will say.

Seth

00:46:53.664 - 00:47:03.960

And. And now that I'm thinking about it, this may be the only positive thing I can say about this movie.

It is the only movie in this series where the crow tried to kill himself.

Drew

00:47:04.040 - 00:47:04.896

Oh, yeah, that's a good point.

Seth

00:47:04.928 - 00:47:16.432

Because it is the only movie where the crow did not want to come back. All the other movies, the crow had a very specific personal reason to actually want to come back this time. He clearly had no interest in coming back.

Drew

00:47:16.496 - 00:47:21.584

Yeah. He was like. They were like, why are you here? He's like, I don't even know. Which might have been the actor being honest about, like, his life. Right.

Kyle

00:47:21.592 - 00:47:23.750

I. Yeah, I don't want to come back either.

Seth

00:47:23.870 - 00:47:37.270

So that is the only interesting thing I can say about this movie, is the fact that I do think it dealt with one little detail that none of the other movies did. But other than that one attempt, none of the deaths were in any way memorable.

Drew

00:47:37.350 - 00:48:03.638

Well, I do think, look, I.

Deaths, none of them are memorable, but with what you were saying, that is the fun, fun part about these movies is evaluating the motivations behind the crow. They all are a little different. So far, they haven't made any, like, one that's, like, too similar to the other.

So that's kind of a fun difference to look at. But I don't even remember these deaths. I think I died. I died when watching. I remember my death when watching this movie.

Kyle

00:48:03.694 - 00:48:05.726

Yes. Yeah. A part of me died.

Seth

00:48:05.878 - 00:48:12.046

Like, the only death I remember was he died because he didn't fuck Tara Reid prime.

Drew

00:48:12.118 - 00:48:16.428

I get it. I get it, man. If we were all there, we would. I mean, any one of us, we would have died.

Seth

00:48:16.484 - 00:48:16.836

Yeah.

Kyle

00:48:16.908 - 00:48:39.612

Yeah. I go eat crow here because I just don't remember, like, a death, like, I. I watched a week ago.

And again, for the audience, the audience knows how disciplined I am with my research. I usually watch the multiple times. I will watch the commentaries.

At one point before I watched it the first time, I was messaging the guy in Missouri. I was like, hey, I'll buy your rear. Because I couldn't find a dvd. It had five commentaries. Why does this movie have five commentaries, by the way?

Drew

00:48:39.796 - 00:48:42.714

I. Now I kind of want to listen to. I mean, at least one of them.

Kyle

00:48:42.762 - 00:48:46.418

Five of them. And Edward Furlong is apparently doing one of them. I would love to hear his take.

Seth

00:48:46.594 - 00:48:51.510

Okay, y'all, for the next five years, we're gonna review the commentaries once a year.

Drew

00:48:52.930 - 00:48:56.170

Did we just decide to make a new wicked prayer exclusive podcast?

Kyle

00:48:56.250 - 00:49:12.554

Wicked prayer wars. But I. This is the first time in movie wars history where I could not watch it again.

I kept pulling it up, maybe, and I said, no, I'm not gonna let myself do this. There. I don't remember. Whereas the first one was so memorable.

Seth

00:49:12.642 - 00:49:13.026

Yeah.

Kyle

00:49:13.098 - 00:49:31.954

And they were so unique. And they were unique to the villain. There is nothing. And I. There's no blood. There's no. I just don't. This is hilarious.

The only thing I remember him doing was crawling under that sheet and he kind of disappears. Like, that was a weird use of your powers. You won't kill anybody, but you'll disappear under a sheet with a kid. Very weird.

Drew

00:49:32.002 - 00:49:34.082

That was weird. What's a weird scene?

Kyle

00:49:34.146 - 00:49:43.356

Yeah, so, yeah, yeah, so, yeah. Eating some major crow here. Three. Oh, the crow flies as zero. The mask.

Seth

00:49:43.508 - 00:49:44.396

What mask?

Drew

00:49:44.468 - 00:49:48.244

Yeah, in general, his look or everybody.

Kyle

00:49:48.292 - 00:49:51.500

Everyone's like, just the look. The aesthetic of the people. But, yeah, let me.

Seth

00:49:51.580 - 00:49:53.948

Okay, I got. I got a rant here for a second.

Kyle

00:49:54.004 - 00:49:55.280

Please do because.

Seth

00:49:55.780 - 00:50:08.238

So I grew up very christian, and because of this, I happen to know a lot about the whole, like, Antichrist, Satan coming back situation. Not even. Cause I wanted to. Just. Cause it was involved in life.

Kyle

00:50:08.294 - 00:50:08.958

Yeah.

Seth

00:50:09.134 - 00:50:27.278

When you can't even do the basic research to figure out, a, where would the mark of the beast end up on somebody who had it, which in the Bible is on their hand not four times on their chest? B, if you can't even figure out that the fucking pentagram on his belt is supposed to be upside down.

Drew

00:50:27.334 - 00:50:29.302

Right. I was thinking. I was noticing that, too.

Seth

00:50:29.406 - 00:50:32.994

Actual fuck is going on? Why did any of you guys.

Drew

00:50:33.182 - 00:50:35.018

Was there one upside down cross?

Kyle

00:50:35.074 - 00:50:39.210

Yeah, the cross. The cross on the satanic church was regular.

Seth

00:50:39.290 - 00:50:41.434

You're right. You're regular.

Drew

00:50:41.522 - 00:50:45.858

I don't want to tell anyone how to run. I don't tell anyone how to run their satanic cults.

Seth

00:50:45.914 - 00:50:54.482

But, like, there's some basics. There's some fucking basics that you have to do, and you didn't do any of them. You didn't.

Kyle

00:50:54.586 - 00:50:59.810

Yeah. A lot more about this in the bad guy version I'll talk about.

Seth

00:50:59.930 - 00:51:18.600

Also, why is our lead villain literally wearing a, like, rave clothing in a place where it doesn't make sense, and then out of nowhere switches to, like, a 1960s country music star tuxedo at the end? Who. Who was in charge here? Was no one in charge.

Drew

00:51:18.680 - 00:51:25.960

Maybe they were just like, read the script once, put on whether clothes you want, come on and film after cracker barrel in 30 minutes.

Seth

00:51:26.080 - 00:51:33.738

It's literally like someone took a dart in the costume room and just threw it. When someone came in the room and whatever it hit, they were like, you're gonna wear that.

Drew

00:51:33.914 - 00:51:35.870

So what you're saying is, as the crow flies.

Seth

00:51:37.970 - 00:51:41.194

Fuck it. Eat crow. So much crow.

Kyle

00:51:41.242 - 00:51:45.870

I hate the consistent theme here is that we're just like. We're asking us, why did nobody say anything?

Drew

00:51:46.370 - 00:52:04.654

I'm telling you, they did. They got together and like, let's make the worst movie. Everyone always tries to make the best movie. Let's make the worst movie. But. Okay.

So I did have fun laughing at how ridiculous everything costume wise was. So even though I enjoyed it, I'm gonna go the eat crow. Because if it's like, did they do it well? Well, no.

Seth

00:52:04.742 - 00:52:05.370

No.

Drew

00:52:05.990 - 00:52:09.902

Who cares? We do right now, but usually, yeah.

Kyle

00:52:09.966 - 00:52:12.606

All right, well, we just. We're racking it up here for zero.

Drew

00:52:12.678 - 00:52:14.142

This is the one that saves them right here.

Kyle

00:52:14.166 - 00:52:15.470

I thought this would be better.

Seth

00:52:15.630 - 00:52:19.574

Did. Have. Have any of them gone full crow?

Kyle

00:52:19.662 - 00:52:28.418

I'm trying to think in the history of movie wars. Well, none of these have. None of the Crow movies. I'm trying to think if we've ever had a zero on the scorecard.

Seth

00:52:28.574 - 00:52:28.962

Close.

Drew

00:52:29.026 - 00:52:31.242

I feel like we got close to shitty events.

Kyle

00:52:31.266 - 00:52:32.346

City of Angels had one.

Seth

00:52:32.418 - 00:52:33.242

Yes. That had.

Kyle

00:52:33.306 - 00:52:34.594

Okay, one or two. Yeah.

Drew

00:52:34.642 - 00:52:35.034

Yeah.

Kyle

00:52:35.122 - 00:52:38.506

Yeah. But, yeah. This is. This is actually unprecedented.

Seth

00:52:38.578 - 00:52:39.106

Yeah.

Kyle

00:52:39.218 - 00:52:48.738

And, of course, this is also the first time we've ever tackled an entire franchise. We usually do in real. Yeah. So. Yeah. So this is. This is good learning for us. How good are those bad guys, huh?

Drew

00:52:48.834 - 00:53:11.938

Listen, I'll give them their props.

I'm gonna say, I always forget the correct way of saying it, but as the crow flies, the villains were kind of what saved this movie, what tried to save this movie right from the beginning. They give you more backstory of the villains than they ever do with the actual main character.

Kyle

00:53:12.034 - 00:53:12.682

Yeah.

Seth

00:53:12.826 - 00:53:15.630

Again, more writing does not mean better.

Drew

00:53:17.210 - 00:53:26.282

If I were to. Okay. If I were to compare it to, like, all the movies on earth, there weren't great villains. Yeah, but, like, feel like that moment.

Seth

00:53:26.306 - 00:53:39.746

In BoJack Horseman, I got the director's like, we're not making Citizen Kane. And he's like, yeah, it's a shitty movie, right? And it's like, no, we're literally just making a different movie.

This movie's awesome, but it's not Citizen Kane. Yeah, that's what this feels like.

Drew

00:53:39.858 - 00:53:44.074

I'll give him for what it was. I'm gonna give him a crow to fly.

Kyle

00:53:44.202 - 00:53:49.706

Oh, man, Drew. Oh, man, Drew. That's commitment, baby.

Drew

00:53:49.818 - 00:53:55.982

Gotta do something. I'm a people pleaser. I'm afraid. I'm afraid, like Tara Reid or the Hearstrider funeral.

Kyle

00:53:56.106 - 00:53:57.438

Afraid to give this a straight zero.

Drew

00:53:57.494 - 00:53:59.490

Yeah, I am. I, you know, get it.

Seth

00:53:59.830 - 00:54:14.318

I'm not afraid at all. It's. It's. There's, again, a win a movie. Everyone over acts. It's the director's fault. But there also comes a point where everyone has to be like.

Like you said, why? Why are we doing.

Kyle

00:54:14.374 - 00:54:15.790

I've got a career to uphold here.

Seth

00:54:15.830 - 00:54:20.862

Literally. Please just put a little bit of effort in. But no one did. It's no eat crow.

Kyle

00:54:20.966 - 00:54:21.606

Yeah.

Drew

00:54:21.758 - 00:54:30.700

Even with the cult leader dialogue at the wedding, like, I'm praying now that someone eventually has me officiate their wedding and asks me to use that dialogue.

Kyle

00:54:30.740 - 00:54:32.116

Do you want to be Satan or what?

Seth

00:54:32.188 - 00:54:36.160

Drew Davis is down for satanist weddings now, ladies and gentlemen.

Drew

00:54:36.780 - 00:54:41.452

But only if I can use dialogue from the crow. Wicked prayer.

Seth

00:54:41.516 - 00:54:45.532

Only if he can finish by saying, I now pronounce you devil and shorty.

Kyle

00:54:45.716 - 00:55:05.236

Oh, yeah. I'm going. This is actually my biggest problem with the movie where the first one was so unique in this way. And I know some.

You guys said they were a little one dimensional. I kind of liked their dimensionality, but I thought the uniqueness of the villains. You said something interesting.

Cause I didn't become a christian till later in my life, but I grew up a metalhead.

Seth

00:55:05.308 - 00:55:05.628

Nice.

Kyle

00:55:05.684 - 00:55:06.740

And listening to Slipknot.

Drew

00:55:06.780 - 00:55:10.120

And so you had the same cult leader knowledge.

Kyle

00:55:10.780 - 00:55:32.418

Yeah. And I also. Some of my favorite movies are, like, the omen. Omen one and two. Those movies are just very interesting to me.

And those aren't super accurate either. But at least the lore is a little more aligned with what you would think a movie about the Antichrist.

And these are the weirdest, friendliest satanists ever. They're like trailer parks. They're like, this is like mean girls with Satan.

Drew

00:55:32.554 - 00:55:34.970

It's a satanic cult that welcomes everybody.

Kyle

00:55:35.010 - 00:55:35.186

Yeah.

Drew

00:55:35.218 - 00:55:35.466

All right.

Seth

00:55:35.498 - 00:55:41.706

It's like, you know, I do love the fact that every time Tara Reid feels guilty, she's just like, I just don't want to be white trash.

Kyle

00:55:41.858 - 00:55:42.426

Yeah.

Drew

00:55:42.538 - 00:55:47.594

It's her backstory. It lets you know why she's going through such lengths to become Satan's woman.

Kyle

00:55:47.762 - 00:55:52.950

It's so sad that, like, the only thing keeping her from being white trash was making the Antichrist. Yeah.

Drew

00:55:54.340 - 00:55:56.796

There were probably less extreme measures she could have.

Kyle

00:55:56.828 - 00:56:19.492

There's not a management job at the local shop store. There's not a. There's no. There's just nothing, you know, and. But they're Satanists.

And it reminds me, I used to do a bit a long time ago, I worked with. I didn't know she was a satanist, but she sent me an email and invited me to a potluck at the Church of saint. She worshiped.

And I'm just like, is a potluck a church of Satan thing? Like, you're talking sandwiches and finger foods.

Drew

00:56:19.636 - 00:56:20.444

It's a barbecue.

Kyle

00:56:20.492 - 00:56:23.068

What about sacrificing the virgins? Is that part of it, too?

Seth

00:56:23.124 - 00:56:25.690

Like, was your bit like that?

Kyle

00:56:25.770 - 00:56:28.626

Yeah, it was a long time ago. That's like a six year old bit.

Drew

00:56:28.698 - 00:56:29.090

Love it.

Kyle

00:56:29.130 - 00:56:34.346

But I was like. I was like, the potluck at the Church of saint. What about the virgins and the sacrifice?

Drew

00:56:34.498 - 00:56:34.954

I mean.

Kyle

00:56:35.002 - 00:56:38.282

No, no, it's free foods.

Drew

00:56:38.306 - 00:56:40.522

Free food. At some point, yeah, I was weirded.

Kyle

00:56:40.546 - 00:56:48.282

Out, but that's what this is. This is like a potluck at the Church of Saint. Like, these are like you said, the cross isn't even.

Upside down, like, that's like the whole, that's like the symbols, the upside down.

Seth

00:56:48.306 - 00:56:50.418

It's like you couldn't even get the baby right.

Drew

00:56:50.474 - 00:56:57.498

Maybe we're looking at this movie all wrong. Maybe the message is actually to satanic cults, which is like, hey, you don't have to do all the things correctly.

Kyle

00:56:57.554 - 00:56:57.954

Yeah.

Drew

00:56:58.042 - 00:57:06.154

I mean, because they. Technically, they succeeded in bringing Satan back for a little bit. Like, they. As far as satanic cults go, they're doing more than most.

Kyle

00:57:06.242 - 00:57:10.470

Like, we need a tier three satanism that's accessible to trailer park children.

Drew

00:57:10.810 - 00:57:11.618

All are welcome.

Kyle

00:57:11.674 - 00:57:21.454

And aztec indian hybrids. Yeah, they're just not raising enough hell here for me. I mean, Damien is three years old and he killed his nanny, you know, in the omen.

Drew

00:57:21.542 - 00:57:22.614

Well, they should step it up.

Kyle

00:57:22.662 - 00:57:26.446

Yeah, this is Satanism light. This is like.

Seth

00:57:26.638 - 00:57:28.974

Yeah, say, this is like, very progressive Satan.

Kyle

00:57:29.022 - 00:57:48.880

The Coors light of satanism here hardly eat crow. God, this movie, it's so bad. I was mad. I was mad at myself for. For making us watch this. Well, we got one category left. It's five. Oh. Or no, it's 60.

Oh, no, actually, we have two categories left. Sorry. It's 50. All right. The shitty city award.

Seth

00:57:49.460 - 00:57:50.436

Oh, what city?

Drew

00:57:50.508 - 00:57:54.040

Yeah, there was no city. The shitty desert award. Okay.

Kyle

00:57:55.020 - 00:57:55.612

I don't know much.

Seth

00:57:55.636 - 00:57:59.260

Of all the places you could have gone to the desert, why did they pick Utah?

Kyle

00:57:59.340 - 00:57:59.644

Yeah.

Seth

00:57:59.692 - 00:58:06.732

They could have just picked Arizona, which actually feels more like Mexico. No, they were all new Mexico.

Drew

00:58:06.796 - 00:58:11.764

They were all hanging out in Utah and said, wouldn't it be funny if we made a movie this afternoon?

Kyle

00:58:11.892 - 00:58:12.244

Yeah.

Drew

00:58:12.292 - 00:58:13.500

And then they went. They filmed it.

Kyle

00:58:13.540 - 00:58:15.674

Yeah. Yeah.

Seth

00:58:15.812 - 00:58:34.030

There's no character to it. There's nothing that makes it unique, just other than being a desert while everything else has been in a city setting. It just, again, it's, it.

Had you not even put the crow name to this movie there, even with the crow name, I was like, how is this the crow? It's all, it's all shit.

Kyle

00:58:34.110 - 00:58:34.534

Yeah.

Drew

00:58:34.622 - 00:58:40.262

I mean, like, to me, it's clearly, it does have its place in the cronus because, I mean, the plot of the crow.

Seth

00:58:40.326 - 00:58:41.334

The crowing. Yeah.

Drew

00:58:41.422 - 00:59:04.130

Like, but, but the, I mean, when you look at the backdrop and the setting compared to. And I didn't like the one in the last movie, so we'll go the first two. I mean, like it. No, there was no dark lights and rainy story.

It didn't feel like Gotham. I don't know how you could have done it in a desert, but maybe the first idea is don't do it in that desert, you know, but so now it's.

Kyle

00:59:04.550 - 00:59:22.562

Yeah, yeah, I'm the same. I remember comments from the last podcast, like, one of the first deaths, like, that perverted cop.

It looked like it was behind, like, a croaker in a suburban area. You know, it's like each film has slowly degraded down into.

And this film has basically removed anything that makes it a Crow movie minus a mask and a crow.

Seth

00:59:22.626 - 00:59:22.842

Yeah.

Drew

00:59:22.866 - 00:59:30.570

Yeah. Well, okay, so what if maybe this is devil's advocate kit with us, which in this case, we're not. That's a weird thing to be in this Jesus advocate.

Kyle

00:59:30.650 - 00:59:32.190

A wicked prayer advocate.

Drew

00:59:32.610 - 00:59:48.622

The whole. All the. All the crows have happened in, like, desolate, rundown places. And so by that logic, where they were at was pretty desolate and run down.

It was just a different type of scenery, but it still had, like, the essence of crappy and salvation.

Kyle

00:59:48.726 - 00:59:49.302

Or in this one.

Drew

00:59:49.326 - 00:59:49.750

In this one.

Seth

00:59:49.790 - 00:59:51.726

Okay, but here's the thing. If you're gonna.

Drew

00:59:51.758 - 00:59:52.902

But also salvation too.

Kyle

00:59:52.966 - 00:59:53.326

Mm.

Seth

00:59:53.398 - 01:00:06.518

The reason the. The settings for the other ones worked so well was because of the aesthetic of the crow.

The fact that they went with that goth nature and wanted to keep the goth nature going through the whole series. That's why they stuck with that.

Drew

01:00:06.534 - 01:00:06.914

Yeah.

Seth

01:00:07.022 - 01:00:39.546

Then you suddenly take this very specific look and try to apply it to a very brightly lit. Again, it worked because the. The other ones lean, very noir. This one had no style to it whatsoever.

Everything was so flatly lit, they literally just looked like they put up a shit ton of lights, pointed them all at the actors with no rhyme or reason and just said, cool, we're gonna go with that. It did nothing to bring that style of character. It didn't even give it any type of understanding for the setting they were in.

Kyle

01:00:39.618 - 01:00:39.914

Yeah.

Seth

01:00:39.962 - 01:00:42.370

So, no, I can't. There's nothing to defend here now.

Drew

01:00:42.410 - 01:00:52.346

I'll give it. I'll give it an eat crow, because I do like. I do like that about the movies that they keep it. I wish. I wish it was a timepiece.

And you saw the same city.

Seth

01:00:52.458 - 01:00:52.834

Yeah.

Drew

01:00:52.882 - 01:00:53.970

Throughout different times.

Seth

01:00:54.050 - 01:00:54.850

It'd be cool.

Drew

01:00:54.970 - 01:00:59.062

And you could kind of watch the evolution of the place or, like, the degrade of.

Seth

01:00:59.146 - 01:00:59.430

Yeah.

Drew

01:00:59.470 - 01:01:06.286

Like, then. Then the city itself would become, like, the first one. Another character. Yeah, I don't need. I don't care about Utah.

Kyle

01:01:06.398 - 01:01:35.816

Yeah. You actually said exactly. I was gonna say, great films can make the setting a character.

You know, whether it's beautiful, dead, degraded, whatever it is, like, it can actually act as a character. I just don't even think, like, here's the thing. Show us the trailer park. Because these kids are obviously all trailer park kids. They all.

You find out eventually they all know each other. They're either way, prison together. Like, obviously they all had something, but there's nothing to unify these people.

The first one we knew, like, everyone acted the way they did because it seems like they're all in this environment and they all grew out of the ground. There's just. There's no intentionality here.

Drew

01:01:35.888 - 01:01:36.160

Yeah.

Kyle

01:01:36.200 - 01:01:46.032

Um, they're. They're kind of trying to lean western. Like, it looks like they're trying to do spaghetti western with maybe some Robert Rodriguez type of flair.

But I just. Is it Robert or Richie? I can't.

Seth

01:01:46.096 - 01:01:46.640

No, it's Robert.

Kyle

01:01:46.680 - 01:01:49.500

Robert. Sorry. I was like, is it Danny Rodriguez?

Seth

01:01:50.120 - 01:02:02.894

But the other thing is, being in the desert, they could have so easily leaned into the noir lighting because you could have had all these super harsh shadows, be it a day or night, because at the night, especially since the whole time it was supposed to have a full moon, basically.

Drew

01:02:02.942 - 01:02:03.286

Yeah.

Seth

01:02:03.358 - 01:02:11.326

You could have easily had these really cool, harsh shadows that would have given life and some character to the setting. But they didn't do any of that.

Drew

01:02:11.438 - 01:02:18.566

They could. Yeah, you're right. They could have. I think they would have needed a lot more to save the movie. But they could have, like, put it in a darker tone.

Seth

01:02:18.638 - 01:02:19.536

Oh, absolutely.

Drew

01:02:19.638 - 01:02:21.840

And more nighttime scenes.

Seth

01:02:22.460 - 01:02:37.380

Had the script stayed exactly the same. But had someone tried on this film, it just. It could have gone from an absolute zero. Which, by the way, this movie has a 0% on Rotten Tomatoes.

I have never seen that before.

Kyle

01:02:37.460 - 01:02:38.412

That's pretty low. Right.

Drew

01:02:38.476 - 01:02:43.716

I'm gonna go give it good ratings on Rotten Tomatoes. Just try to help them out a little bit.

Seth

01:02:43.788 - 01:02:50.056

But the fact that they didn't even try is what I think genuinely makes everything so bad.

Kyle

01:02:50.128 - 01:02:54.032

Yeah. And I think. I think one thing we just uncovered is this really falls on the cinematography because.

Seth

01:02:54.096 - 01:02:54.384

Yeah.

Kyle

01:02:54.432 - 01:03:06.104

And the camera work because that was our, like, one of our few dots on City of Angels was at least it looked nice and it was a little overdone. But the haziness, the great angles, at least when it was. When no one was trying to act.

Seth

01:03:06.152 - 01:03:06.808

Yeah.

Drew

01:03:06.984 - 01:03:09.728

They were like. They were like, let's make a crow movie.

Kyle

01:03:09.784 - 01:03:11.120

Yeah. And there were images.

Drew

01:03:11.200 - 01:03:14.672

This one is like, let's make a western with a side of crow that was so.

Seth

01:03:14.696 - 01:03:31.352

That is a great example of a terrible script. But everybody tried on that set this. They got the terrible script and instead of saying, okay, I'm gonna put my all into making this piece of shit.

Actually something we could look at. Everyone just said, no, it's gonna just go to direct to dvd anyways, so fuck it.

Kyle

01:03:31.376 - 01:03:46.870

Let's just do a terrible job. This is how bad the imagery here is, you know? Cause I make all the content.

I was like, google searching images from this film and even just looking at still shots. Yeah, just even a still shot looks so unenthusiastic. Like, no one cared.

Drew

01:03:47.030 - 01:03:51.590

It was like. It was like a bunch of high schoolers right after school saying, let's make a movie.

Seth

01:03:51.630 - 01:03:53.810

But I've seen better high school movies.

Kyle

01:03:54.390 - 01:04:07.374

Yeah, I've seen. Yeah, I've seen better worst movies. Like, even some of those straight to tv. Stephen King. Tommy Knocker is better than this.

Lingolier's is better than his lingeliers is awful. Well, it's 60. Do we think we're gonna go for the. We're gonna go for the triple Crown?

Drew

01:04:07.502 - 01:04:09.206

I think we can do it. I think we can do it.

Kyle

01:04:09.308 - 01:04:11.150

Revenge served. Awesome.

Drew

01:04:13.570 - 01:04:33.170

Here's the thing. This movie, you kind of forget about the revenge. It ends with him stopping Satan from returning to earth.

I mean, like, okay, sure, yeah, I guess the revenge still happened, but, like, you get more caught up in the overall plot of the bad stuff that's gonna happen, if that's what you wanna call it. But. So no eat crow here.

Seth

01:04:33.290 - 01:04:37.568

I mean, yeah, this was not a revenge movie. This was to save the world movie.

Drew

01:04:37.624 - 01:04:43.528

And dude didn't crow. Didn't even care. He was like, please let me die. I don't. What do I have to do to die? Do I have to let Satan come back?

Kyle

01:04:43.544 - 01:04:44.420

I'll do that.

Seth

01:04:44.760 - 01:04:46.544

No, he could.

Kyle

01:04:46.672 - 01:04:49.968

He comes back for revenge, but that ends up getting lost immediately.

Seth

01:04:50.024 - 01:04:50.424

Yeah.

Kyle

01:04:50.512 - 01:05:19.512

And also, is this, like, are they gonna make kind of like a. Like a kind of lackluster antichrist?

Don't you just get the feeling like if they did actually make the Antichrist, it's gonna be like the worst antichrist? Like, he's not gonna be able to. Yeah, yeah. I go eat crows here. And like you said. And to take that point even further, I just don't.

I don't even know what anyone. One's doing here. No one did, like, the pivot to the Antichrist thing. And these being kind of the jolliest satanist on the planet with their.

Their regular crosses on their occult church.

Drew

01:05:19.576 - 01:05:22.400

And they're rebranding Satanism for everybody.

Kyle

01:05:22.440 - 01:05:22.888

Yes.

Drew

01:05:22.984 - 01:05:25.064

They want you to know you could be a satanist too.

Kyle

01:05:25.152 - 01:05:36.790

Yeah, exactly. I just. And watching Edward Furlong, anytime he did try to be physical, watching him try to exert effort here. No one's. No one's scared of this.

Drew

01:05:36.870 - 01:05:37.294

Yeah.

Kyle

01:05:37.382 - 01:05:43.398

No one's scared of this. Yeah. This is e CRO. This whole seven to zero or. Zero to seven. Holy smokes.

Seth

01:05:43.454 - 01:05:43.782

Yeah.

Drew

01:05:43.846 - 01:05:45.590

This is first time in movie wars.

Kyle

01:05:45.670 - 01:05:47.134

It is, yes. And.

Drew

01:05:47.262 - 01:05:48.930

But it makes sense with this movie.

Kyle

01:05:50.230 - 01:05:55.610

It's a nightmare. And the whole time, I just kept thinking, I'm sorry, Brandon. I'm so sorry.

Seth

01:05:55.950 - 01:05:57.966

Look what they did to my boy.

Kyle

01:05:58.118 - 01:06:20.154

Look what they did to my baby. Yeah, I. You know, I'll close with this. Every. They. They eviscerated every feeling, every. The. All the feelings that people reacted to the remake with.

That's not here. They. They weren't considering that. They. No one. I don't. I don't think anybody on set maybe knew who Brandon Lee was.

It doesn't feel like they ever watched a crow film.

Drew

01:06:20.282 - 01:06:22.778

What time. What. What year did this movie come out?

Seth

01:06:22.794 - 01:06:23.402

2005.

Drew

01:06:23.466 - 01:06:32.884

2005. The first one came in 1994. So. So, honestly, like, probably a lot of people didn't care or know about it at that point.

Like, enough time had passed where they were just like, let's make another movie.

Kyle

01:06:32.972 - 01:06:40.908

And here's the crazy thing. It started in 2001. They filmed it in zero three, and it didn't come out until 2005. So it was a five year process.

Drew

01:06:41.084 - 01:06:53.930

That means so many people were like, please don't put this movie out. Like, so many people were like, we don't think this is. Yeah, that's why nobody talks about.

That's why Tara Reid has no interviews where she's like, let me tell you about my time with wicked pray.

Kyle

01:06:54.010 - 01:07:02.230

Yeah. American Crow here. Well, we just did a nice shitting on this movie.

Drew

01:07:03.250 - 01:07:05.002

Hope you brought your toilet paper.

Kyle

01:07:05.106 - 01:07:08.282

And I'm sorry I drug you two here. I forgot how bad it was.

Drew

01:07:08.346 - 01:07:09.034

I loved it.

Kyle

01:07:09.082 - 01:07:15.194

We're going to do good movies on this podcast again. We will do good movies on this podcast. I promise. My guarantee to you.

Drew

01:07:15.282 - 01:07:19.290

But not one out of four so far, but not next week.

Kyle

01:07:19.370 - 01:07:33.810

Yeah. Does Bill Skarsgrd save us? That's the question. Or is the. Is the reaction to this reboot warranted? I'm a diehard Crow fan, always have been.

So it'll be interesting to hear your perspectives and. But anyway, thank you for saying your prayers. I'm Kyle.

Drew

01:07:34.190 - 01:07:34.934

I'm Drew.

Kyle

01:07:35.022 - 01:07:35.430

Love ya.